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Illegal Immigrants Fear Crackdown In San Diego  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

A nationwide crackdown on illegal aliens has led to apprehension in some areas of San Diego.

Quote:
Day laborer Fredy Calleja said his uncle was arrested about two weeks ago while watering plants outside his home. An agent asked him about someone suspected of selling drugs in the area. When the uncle said he didn't know the drug dealer, the agent asked if he was in the country illegally and arrested him when he said he was.

Calleja said his uncle was deported but then sneaked across the border in Tijuana, Mexico. He was back in San Diego a little more than a week later.

It looks like the pendulum is swinging back toward enforcement, but how long can this last?

See:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060618/..._re_us/immigration_arrests_fallout

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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

About time. Illegals have had a free ride long enough. Hopefully, with Gilchrist's backing and the various other high-profile, high-visibility supporters of The Minutemen and other lobbying groups, we'll see a bill passed that will protect AMERICA and it's LEGAL residents, instead of those that have invaded.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
A nationwide crackdown on illegal aliens has led to apprehension in some areas of San Diego.

Is there a downside here?

The free ride is OVER.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

I see this as a positive change. They are scared, as criminals should be.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Calleja said his uncle was deported but then sneaked across the border in Tijuana, Mexico. He was back in San Diego a little more than a week later

Thats sad. Really is. Also shows how well those 600 dollar oneway tickets for the illegals go.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 1):

well said sir. well said

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Is there a downside here?

 no 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
The free ride is OVER.

 yes 



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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
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Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
I see this as a positive change. They are scared, as criminals should be.

Harry

Are they going after the people who employ them as well?

They should put undercover officers pretending to be illegal immigrants to ask for work at Home Depot. When Suzy Homemaker comes looking for someone to clean her pipes (no pun intended) Bam! send her to jail!

Would that ever happen? Anyone fails to see the double standard?



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 5):

Are they going after the people who employ them as well?

If they aren't, they should.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 4):
Also shows how well those 600 dollar oneway tickets for the illegals go.

As I said before, to blazes with buying a nice plane ride home for the illegals . . .

Solution #1: Surely, AZ or CA or TX or NM Air Guard has a C-130 sitting around doing little to nothing - or in need of a training flight. Those damn things will hold a hundred people at least. Load 'em up, fly to MEX, drop 'em off. Here ya go Vicente Fox . . . . present for you and your government that doesn't officially condone the illegal immigration into the US and whose countries primary source of income is the US$ from these people. . .

Solution #2: Give them AR385's "Illegal Immigration Guide to Safe Desert Crossing" and tell them to read it backward and move out.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Solution #1:

Actually sir, they hold between 90-128 troops sitting on benches along the walls. I mean, its not the comfortable ride, but its only a few hours home  Smile

That being said, here in CEF land we have an idel C5 and that hold about 200 or so troopers, plus a pax cabin of 70, we could start a PHX-MEX shuttle  Smile

But reading the rest of your post, if you were not on my RU list, you are now. Thats brilliant shit sir.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 8):
That being said, here in CEF land we have an idel C5 and that hold about 200 or so troopers, plus a pax cabin of 70, we could start a PHX-MEX shuttle  Smile

I'd opt for the Herc . . . it's a tactical aircraft, doesn't need ground support, and can land anywhere - really - there's flat, hard, reasonably level ground. Damn thing can back itself up, blah, blah, blah . . . drop the ramp, out they go. Close the ramp, and adios . . . .

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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2077 times:
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Quoting Newark777 (Reply 6):
If they aren't, they should.

Harry

They are not. What does that tell you? I think that this will have a greater impact.

Make some white people examples and see how most others will not risk getting caught and be sent to jail. If you send illegals 100 back - they will try again.

The recourrence will be lower if you target the right group. Which - i contend - are the users of illegal labor



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
It looks like the pendulum is swinging back toward enforcement, but how long can this last?

Until after November and their respective seats in Congress/Senate are secured.



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User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 4):
Thats sad. Really is. Also shows how well those 600 dollar oneway tickets for the illegals go

Just like everything else the government does, pay too much and it doesn't help in the long run.

Even though I am here legally, and it was a dream of mine to move here, I didn't have the guts to try to do it illegally, but all credit to those who have made it here. If the government had done something over the years to secure the borders instead of pumping millions of dollars into weapons and propping up other countries then there might not be a problem.

How many American citizens do you see lining up on the street corner to find work every day like these immigrants do. Until the government ensure every citizen is working that is able to work then no-one should bitch about immigrants earning money. The employers should pay them a decent wage and deduct tax and some kind of healthcare expense until the government can get them on the social security system.

There are bigger problems in this country including the lack of socialized medicine for those who need it the most. Why should unisured people pay double what a company making billions of dollars a year pay for the same service? Oh wait - those people don't provide free vacations and cash to the politicians!


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2060 times:

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
How many American citizens do you see lining up on the street corner to find work every day like these immigrants do

Not many, but im here in the Northeast

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
Why should unisured people pay double what a company making billions of dollars a year pay for the same service?

Because they are uninsured and more then likely not working and living off my taxes.

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
Until the government ensure every citizen is working

You forgot a key word. Until every legal citizen is working

Quoting BigOrange (Reply 12):
If the government had done something over the years to secure the borders instead of pumping millions of dollars into weapons and propping up other countries then there might not be a problem.

Oh please. Im not going to humor this except to say that I find it hard to beleive that you think that the government hasnt been trying to rid the country of the socal catalyst.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
You forgot a key word. Until every legal citizen is working

He didn't forget a key word. How can you be an illegal citizen...?


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):
He didn't forget a key word. How can you be an illegal citizen...?

Seems to me as he is throwing everyone who lives in american as a citizen.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):
You forgot a key word. Until every legal citizen is working

No I didn't forget a word!

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):

He didn't forget a key word. How can you be an illegal citizen...?

Exactly!

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 15):

Seems to me as he is throwing everyone who lives in american as a citizen.

Not at all! A citizen is someone who is born here or has become naturalized.


User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):

Not many, but im here in the Northeast

So am I, and I see immigrants every day lining up to work, or are you telling me that there is no unemployment in the Northeast affecting Caucasians?

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 13):

Because they are uninsured and more then likely not working and living off my taxes.

Not necessarily. When I moved here, neither myself or my wife had a job. We weren't living off anyone's taxes, we lived off our savings, but had to pay double what my insurance now pays for the same things. (I have very good insurance now which picks up the majority of my medical expenses)


User currently onlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2720 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

I'm curious as to how the police officer got from asking about a drug dealer to questioning someone's legal status in the country. That seems like a pretty big leap. Does this officer go around and ask everyone with an accent if they are legal?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Is there a downside here?

 yes 

Without those illegal immigrants, the average home would cost at least another $10,000 to build. Illegal immigrants have become an important part of our economy, like it or not. Prices would skyrocket without them, and booting millions of people would do incredible harm to the economy. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent, hardworking people, just trying to scrape by and help their family. No point in punishing them for doing jobs Americans don't want to do.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):
No point in punishing them

The fact it, they are criminals. And they do much harm to the American economy as well, not just help. Every time they go to the hospital, and don't pay, etc, etc, hurts the economy.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

I am somewhat mixed on this subject. I agree that entering ones country should be done legally.

Question: What would happen if I ran across the border to Mexico? Would I face stiff consequences?

Perhaps Mexico should increase security on the borders too.



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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Quoting Alias1024 (Reply 18):
The vast majority of illegal immigrants are decent ...people

That's an interesting comment, seeing as we're talking about criminals who have no regard for the law.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 20):
Question: What would happen if I ran across the border to Mexico? Would I face stiff consequences?

You bet you would. There are horror stories of the way some people have been treated when they've crossed Mexico's southern border illegally. Unfortunately Vicente Fox seems to believe in double standards. He patrols his southern border the way we would like the American southern border to be patrolled, yet he throws his toys out of the pram every time someone mentions bulding a big fence or rounding up and deporting the illegal masses. Unfortunately, he's also in bed with Bush.

And therein lies the current, immediate problem. Georgy-boy doesn't want to offend Vince.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2006 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):
Georgy-boy doesn't want to offend Vince.

Exactly. I hope our next POTUS will have the balls to stand up against Fox and the rest of the Mexican politicians. He just panders to these fools.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 21):
You bet you would. There are horror stories of the way some people have been treated when they've crossed Mexico's southern border illegally. Unfortunately Vicente Fox seems to believe in double standards. He patrols his southern border the way we would like the American southern border to be patrolled, yet he throws his toys out of the pram every time someone mentions bulding a big fence or rounding up and deporting the illegal masses. Unfortunately, he's also in bed with Bush.

And therein lies the current, immediate problem. Georgy-boy doesn't want to offend Vince.

You hit the nail right on. Maybe if Fox would create a better life for mexicans, then we would not have such a problem. If Bush would create a better life for Americans, I would not think about running to Mexico! LOL! Darn, wonder what Canada has to offer?



I Am A Different Animal!!
User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Many of those people who came here illegally or planning to come here are doing what they think is in the best interest of them and their family.....They work hard for very little wage and are often mistreated by their employees.....Believe it or not those people who hang out outside your local 7-11 only represent a small percentage of the illegal population....
BUT this is the United States of America and its' government should do what's in the best interest of the American people.....They are dragging our wages down, altering our culture, and I don't feel safe walking around with millions of people who are virtually unknown to my government. I support the guest worker program but I am against amnesty. Amnesty will only encourage more people to hop across the border not mentioning rewarding criminal behavior....The Mexican government should really get their act together about their economy they have a lot of natural resources and given their proximity to largest consumer in the world plus a population that doesn't demand a lot in return they should just be more than a third world country...Furthermore they also don't pay taxes and taxpayers pay for their hospital bills, education, housing among others.....



Uhhh What?
25 IFEMaster : I think I'd go to Winnipeg. It was full of cute chicks who were suckers for an English accent when I was there...
26 Post contains images ANCFlyer : They are also, without question, criminals. They have broken the law. I know they work hard, I know they're decent folk generally, I know they want t
27 Post contains links AeroWesty : This is what's wrong with the whole system: http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/p...60607/NEWS03/606070371/1026/NEWS10 A village in New York State was
28 Alias1024 : Have any of you ever knowingly driven above the speed limit (when not on duty ANCFlyer)? Did you ever shoplift anything while growing up? How about j
29 Post contains images Newark777 : No, I have never shoplifted, and you are comparing two very different things. You are basically saying you can't criticize felons if you have ever co
30 Alias1024 : Have you ever knowingly broken the law?
31 AeroWesty : If I drive above the speed limit or jaywalk, I would expect to pay the price if an officer of the law deemed my infraction serious enough to write me
32 IFEMaster : R I D I C U L O U S comparison. The answer to your questions is no. I have never knowingly broken the law.
33 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yes, on and off duty . . . No Depends on where I am, if I want to survive crossing the street in some places it's smarter to wait for the little "Wal
34 Post contains images SKYSERVICE_330 : Hmmm...where should I begin?
35 Alias1024 : I'm just trying to make a point. Everyone calls for them to be tossed out for intentionally disobeying the law. However, everyone intentionally break
36 DLKAPA : Rather than targeting Suzy Homemaker who has no way to check on a person's legal status, why not go after Home Depot who does? Well actually in the F
37 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Very weak, almost non-existent. . . Now, were you to use a felony as an example, then you'd at least be in the ballpark. As me something like: "Have
38 IFEMaster : ANCFlyer, will you please run for president? You've got my vote...
39 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ha Ha Ha . . . that would be two I'd get . . . mine and yours . . . Inquiry: Would I be able to keep my cap???
40 Post contains images Cadet57 : Mine too Yes, Furthermore, it will become a federal mandate for all citizens to wear a "US Army, Retired" cap in support of our leader.
41 Navymidn : Heck ANC, here's a third vote, and yes, you can keep the cap. Just keep this stance on immigration.
42 Mt99 : Why dont they? Evryone here seems to ignore this... How about a National ID given only to those who are here legally?
43 Post contains images Senorcarnival : Because the ACLU would have a about how this would infringe Americans' civil liberties? The story mentions that an agent deported this guy. I'm assum
44 AerospaceFan : Reading the story, it surprised me as well that the gentleman was summarily deported. However, it seems to me that such legally constituted authoritie
45 Post contains images Slider : That's the problem and why the border wall needs to be built, and the border needs to be fully militarized. I don't let someone breaking into my home
46 Dougloid : Another lookback in history. Proverbs 28:1 I think The wicked flee when no man pursueth; But the righteous are bold as a lion. and numerous other obse
47 AerospaceFan : I've always liked Proverbs.[Edited 2006-06-22 17:30:01]
48 Post contains images F9Animal : NNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! We cannot afford a nuke war at this time! LOL! I don't want to die!!!!!
49 Post contains images Lapper : LATEST POLL 43 percent of persons polled in the U.S. said that immigration is a serious problem. The other 57 percent said, "No hablo inglés"
50 Halls120 : Good. About da*n time people are worried about the consequences of breaking the law. That should be the next step. Because this isn't a socialist cou
51 Post contains images Airbus3801 : A few problems with that idea. A wall is a huge waste of resources as modern day inventions such as the ladder or the wire cutter would easily render
52 IFEMaster : This is innacurate, so I'd like you back that up with a reputable source, please. Studies by The Minutemen Group have shown that a guest worker progr
53 Mt99 : Why "next" and not concurrently?
54 Post contains links Airbus3801 : Gladly, because common sense doesn't do the trick for you http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/more-immigration.html see benefits of Tempora
55 IFEMaster : That's interesting that you post a document written by the people who are trying to pass the bill in the first place; a document that doesn't present
56 Airbus3801 : Pride in my country does not involve shutting out those who need our help. Clearly your idea of pride is selfish prosperity with little concern for t
57 IFEMaster : America wasn't built on criminals, my friend. Those who jump the border, whether they need help or not, are criminals. I have no problem with people
58 Airbus3801 : Enjoy living in your comfortable home working in Orange County. Minority or not, I really don't care what people like you think. I know that by fight
59 Newark777 : No, it is the laws of the US of A that stand in their way, and it is the job of this country to enforce those laws. Simple as that. If their dream in
60 IFEMaster : Wrong! There will always be people like you who distort the facts. I'm not standing in anyone's way. I'm standing up for doing things the RIGHT way.
61 Halls120 : Because there are only a finite number of federal law enforcement officers available. We don't have enough now to address the available "business."
62 Mt99 : They never do though.. i said before: scare the white folks with jail time and they will not repeat. send the illegal immigrants back.. they will ret
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