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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7311 posts, RR: 85
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3565 times:
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...says the brilliant US government.

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rubbish...

[Edited 2006-06-20 09:12:04]


I miss the old Anet.
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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12637 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3553 times:
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Sounds right to me. You'd have to be mad to not want sex with a woman! duck 


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):

 yes 
 duck 



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

2 things

1. Foxnews.com
2. "A Pentagon document"

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Anyone biting on this thread as a reactionary will automatically be removed from my RU.


User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3537 times:

Unbelievable, but then isn't it well known that Bush, specifically, is homophobic anyway?

Another example of the Bush administration getting their words mixed up; when it comes to this issue, do you live in a democracy or hypocrisy!

 mad 

Is it the fact that the US is such a religious nation compared to so many others in the western world that puts it so far behind in equality for gay people (again compared to other western nations)?


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Homosexuality Classified As "mental Disorder"

It's a bit late for that...



rolf
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3502 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Homosexuality Classified As "mental Disorder"

The retard who came to this conclusion should be shot. This pentagon classification is pure and utter bullshit.

And I thought that according to the US constitution, all men and women are created equal. Doesn't equality also include that you cannot discriminate people by their sexuality? It doesn't matter if you're bisexual, gay or straight, this is not a reason for discrimination, in fact, there should be no discrimination at all, but I guess mankind will never learn the lesson of what discrimination can do to people.

Thus, what the Bush administration wants to do regarding a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, plus what has been done in the past by other administrations, like for example firering homosexual soldiers for breaking the "Don't ask, don't tell" policy in the US military, is unconstitutional, but I guess the constitutionality of things is determined by any kind of political agenda.

As I always say, judge the person by his character and by his skills, not on things such as cultural heritage, skin colour, religion or even sexuality. Give respect and you will earn respect. It's what's inside what counts, not the superficial things. I've certainly lost even more respect for the people running the show in Washington for declaring homosexuality as a mental disorder.


User currently offlineLuxair From Netherlands, joined Jan 2001, 853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):

 Big grin  bigthumbsup  soooo true



Marvin Lee Cooper
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Also.. what about reproduction? It's the natural role of any species on this planet. Gays don't reproduce, whether they are gay by choice or not, this is not "normal"..

Kay


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

So how does this mental order dehabilitate people? In what way is a 'Homosexually inflicted' person less able than myself?

People need to stop trying to classify 'abnormal' (put in quotes because I dont believe in this case, the behaviour is negative, while arguably not normal) behaviour as an illness - the human race thrives on diversity, and homosexuality is just another method of diversifying (dont make any comment about inability to procreate).


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting Kay (Reply 8):
Also.. what about reproduction? It's the natural role of any species on this planet. Gays don't reproduce, whether they are gay by choice or not, this is not "normal"

So, is remaining single or choosing not to have a child 'not normal'? How about usage of contraceptives?

Actually, go ahead and define 'normal' - because whichever definition you choose to use, there isnt that many people on this earth that actually matches it.


User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

From Wikipedia:

"Finally, social theorists suggest that mental illness may be caused by significant events in, or the conditions of, one’s environment. For example, there may be higher incidences of mental illness in areas that are involved in civil or military actions or that have recently suffered a major natural or man-made disaster (such as 9/11). Areas that also suffer from endemic poverty, transience, and few resources and supports are also suggested to have higher rates of mental illness than more affluent or stable areas."

So I guess the Pentagon people should not be throwing stones with that beautiful glass roof over their heads...


User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Quoting Kay (Reply 8):
Gays don't reproduce, whether they are gay by choice or not, this is not "normal"..

And a male child-molester who has abused his own children (= reproduced) is normal?


User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Child molesters are not qualified as not "normal", they are qualified as sick..


Kay


User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 10):
So, is remaining single or choosing not to have a child 'not normal'? How about usage of contraceptives?

What do you mean the usage of contraceptives? I'm talking about that two times in your life when you don't use a condom to have kids.

I actually respect people who choose not to have kids for whatever environmental or I-hate-kids reasons. I sure won't be able to be one of them.


Kay

[Edited 2006-06-20 11:19:05]

User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Homosexuality Classified As "mental Disorder"

Ooh, does this mean they'll start executing us in Texas?  silly 

Quoting Kay (Reply 8):
Gays don't reproduce, whether they are gay by choice or not, this is not "normal"..

I know plenty of straight people who do not reproduce. But hey, I'd like to have a kid someday, and there are ways.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineAmericanB763ER From Luxembourg, joined Sep 2005, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3436 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):
Homosexuality Classified As "mental Disorder"

What's the big deal? - the streets are full of wackos, homosexual or not, in Washington and anywhere in the world  Yeah sure


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3426 times:

Quoting FXramper (Thread starter):

I always knew i was special. Big grin  Big grin

Thanks to the us goverment for letting me know offcially lol Big grin  bouncy 


User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

Ooooh, wait a minute, do they have disability benefit in the US?

Now, if I could stay off work and get paid benefit for me being classed 'mentally' disordered, then I'll be right over!


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
And I thought that according to the US constitution, all men and women are created equal.

Where does it say that?


User currently offlineRaffik From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 1716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Really sickening. I don't consider myself to have a "mental disorder" just because I am gay. Many straight people choose not to have kids.


Hello, America- it's 2006, not 1946!!!



Happy -go- lucky kinda guy!
User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting Kay (Reply 8):
Also.. what about reproduction? It's the natural role of any species on this planet. Gays don't reproduce, whether they are gay by choice or not, this is not "normal"..

Erm I hate to shoot down your view here, but gays have all the necessary equipment to reproduce - okay not with each other of the same sex, but there are plenty of gay men and women out there who have had kids. Particularly men and women who have accepted their sexuality at a later point in their lives, often after having been married with kids.

I bedded plenty of women for much of my adult life and could have chosen to have kids at any time but used protection.

So in that respect gays are no different to the many straight people who choose not to reproduce.



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineKay From France, joined Mar 2002, 1884 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 21):
there are plenty of gay men and women out there who have had kids

At the risk of sounding stupid, I didn't know that.

Kay


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3354 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 18):
Ooooh, wait a minute, do they have disability benefit in the US?

Now, if I could stay off work and get paid benefit for me being classed 'mentally' disordered, then I'll be right over!

gay AND a plane spotter - that should ensure sickness benefit for sure  Wink



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3347 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 23):
plane spotter

Um, photographer, please - spotter, no!  wink 


25 LTBEWR : To me the ones with the real 'mental disorder' are some of our political leaders for their proscution of the war in Iraq, lying to get us there, then
26 Post contains images Cxsjr :
27 Kmh1956 : Considering that the USA is the most powerful nation in the world, it has possibly the most repressed views on sex and sexuality I've ever seen. (No,
28 Jaysit : Before we all get our knickers into a wad over this, I think that this is an old chestnut so to speak that never got drubbed off the books because the
29 Jetflyer : What crap, sorry don't believe it. It is a sexual preference. I have had experiences with another male that would be called "homosexual" but I am not
30 Post contains images Aloges : So politicians are all gay/lesbian?
31 Post contains images Nworlnsbearcub : (so they believe!!!) That is pretty funny! Michael Austin, TX
32 Halls120 : When I was still on active duty in the 90's the overwhelming majority of the JAG Corps personnel I worked with was SOLIDLY against "don't ask, don't
33 AeroWesty : What policy were they for?
34 Jaysit : I didn't say it was a creation of the JAG personnel. But the JAG personnel now have to enforce it, as well they will. Moreover, many in the JAG corps
35 Derico : Had an Arab country's government come to the same conclusion, they would be labeled as 'intolerant and backwards'.
36 Aloges : I am labelling that decision as intolerant and backwards! I simply wasn't posting it here because I can do without being included in a "You're anti-A
37 Post contains images Ctbarnes : It's not in the Constitution per se, it's said explicitly in the Declaration of Independence. Still, I doubt you'd find a reputable psychologist thes
38 Carmenlu15 : Well, I do know of straight people who don't want to reproduce for whatever reason... Now that would be an offending statement! ... to gays and lesbi
39 Post contains images RobertNL070 : In several European and North American countries and states, adoption by same sex couples is legal. Would these gay/lesbian couples then be a little
40 Halls120 : Ending all discrimination based on sexual preference.
41 Jaysit : I actually had the pleasure of being taught a class in law school by a woman who was part of the JAG Corps, who then went on to work for a group tryi
42 LTBEWR : I would also add that the military also ought to go after those whom are 'disordered' in their ranks that assult, harrass and rape women and children
43 Alberchico : Please keep in mind that the people who wrote this are well educated in such matters and should have their their findings taken seriously..........
44 Doona : So you're saying I should take it seriously when someone tells me I have a mental disorder because I'm gay? Go to hell, please. Cheers Mats
45 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Please, tell me you are missing a or a in your post...
46 Travelin man : Please keep in mind that for the most part individual states make up rules regarding marriage, adoption, same-sex rights, etc. That's why some states
47 AR385 : The DSM-IV, published every year, I believe by the American Association of Psichiatry establishes which are the different mental disorders, their symp
48 LTU932 : Say what? Are you serious about this? It is clear that these findings are part of a political agenda and thus, are NOT to be taken seriously.
49 Alberchico : This report is completely independent and bi-partisan.........
50 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : Hmm...
51 Ctbarnes : My guess is instead of saying, 'what do you want me to do about it' they'll ask, 'how are you with that'. If you say (in so many words) 'fine' they m
52 Post contains images Scorpio : Have you read it? Um.. yeah... From the article: "The document, called a Defense Department Instruction, was condemned by medical professionals, memb
53 Post contains links FXramper : Links to the article and study are on CNN, AP, MSNBC, and Yahoo. I just picked one. Here is another one: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060620/ap_on_go
54 RJpieces : Quite the opposite, actually. From all press reports, it appears that Bush himself is very accepting of gays, has gay friends, etc. But of course his
55 CY319 : I agree!!!!!!!!!!!! i also agree!!!!!!!! between a good-hearted gay who respects everyone including his partner and a str8 who cheats on his wife and
56 Post contains images FXramper : hello cheney's daughter!? she's at all the bbqs!
57 YOWza : One thing I've never really understood is how guys always prattle on to each other about getting their brown belt but have a problem with two guys kno
58 AA61Hvy : The Diagnostic Statistics Manual, which is the Psychological first and last word (you look at the symptoms and you will find the problem in this book)
59 Halls120 : I spent 20 years in the military - 14 years as a JAG officer, where I was a prosecutor, defense counsel, and military judge. When DADT was announced,
60 Post contains images Boeing744 : Reminds me of (former Canadian PM) Pierre Trudeau's famous quote "The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation." Yeah, FOX News is a shini
61 NoUFO : According to Spiegel Online, the document is much older than Mr. Bush's one and a half terms in office. Pres. Clinton should have fed his shredder wi
62 DLKAPA : The pentagon can call it a disorder all they want but unless it's a disorder according to the DSM IV, they have no bearing.
63 Carmenlu15 : " target=_blank>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060620/..._gays Ok, ok... leaving Fox News aside, I still don't buy the "it should be taken seriously" ar
64 Post contains links MD80fanatic : Hmmm, interesting...... Before everyone gets all worked up over this "report", perhaps it would help if we could hear another's take on the source of
65 AR385 : You are absolutely right, I was trying to keep the script between a psichyatrist and a gay person simple to make a point.
66 FSPilot747 : Well it used to be on the DSM-IV. Its removal was political. And why wouldn't it be? Let's not BS ourselves with the political correctness. Homosexua
67 AeroWesty : Hard to back up that statement, I'd think, since it never was in the DSM-IV to begin with.
68 FSPilot747 : You're right. I think it was the DSM-III.
69 AeroWesty : Not in there either.
70 FSPilot747 : Well, obviously you know what I'm talking about. It was on the DSM list in the 70s.
71 AeroWesty : Well that's more clear. You're advocating 70's and earlier thinking, and dismissing the results of two peer-reviewed revisions of the DSM.
72 FSPilot747 : I don't want you to get me wrong. I don't really care what people do on a personal level. If a dude likes dudes, who am I to really care. But based on
73 AeroWesty : I'll be honest, I'm not pissed at all that you've expressed your opinion. What's funny about this whole situation though, is taking a cue from a coup
74 FSPilot747 : What peer reviewed findings and methodology? They found proof that homosexuality is not abnormal behavior? I've got a family member who has been prac
75 AeroWesty : That led to it being discarded from the DSM. Generally if you tell a psychiatrist he's the crazy one, he'd want to have a chat.
76 SATX : Sodomy was still illegal in Texas until a couple years ago when the FORMER Supreme Court declared that it was unconstitutional because it only applie
77 Doona : In my opinion, (and when it's about me, really only my opinion is worth a damn) my being gay has absolutely nothing to do with my ass. Sure, I might
78 777236ER : He will indeed. You can't prove a theory.
79 Darrenthe747 : this has NOTHING to do with abnormality. the mid-term elections are coming up and gay marriage/rights is ALWAYS the republican's trump card. all of a
80 Lyndon : Spot on. It's not normal. If the whole population was gay then our species would be on the brink of extinction within 100 years.
81 777236ER : If the entire population was female, the species would be on the brink of extinction within 100 years. Consequently, let's ban females.
82 Darrenthe747 : homosexuality exists in many species.
83 Post contains images Klaus : A very astute observation...!
84 Post contains images Cornish : If the entire population was A.netters, the species would be on the brink of extinction within 100 years. Consequently, let's ban A.net
85 Post contains images Flyingbabydoc : Based on some posts I read here and there (a few on this thread alone, for example), I would say that the species would be on the brink of extinction
86 Post contains images CurtisMan : Interesting - interesting indeed. They have time to ponder this. Well I suppose they do - I mean - look what they 'erected' in their front yard: (No o
87 FSPilot747 : I'm not telling you what to do or how you should act. I specifically said, I couldn't give less of a shit what you do with your life, you or anyone e
88 AeroWesty : What's your position on blow jobs?
89 Post contains images Cxsjr : Perhaps men should be 'redesigned' so they don't have mouths in future? Perhaps this would suit our FSPilot friend!
90 Mt99 : Empirically Heterosexuals can change too then. If you get them drunk enough (or so i hear) Hehehe...
91 Ctbarnes : But you are formulating a judgment on what is or is not normal, and that is what rancors people. And for that matter stating that 80% of A.net is gay
92 Post contains images AeroWesty : Especially when it's clear it's no greater than 69%.
93 Seb146 : I am of the opinion there are two kinds of homosexuals: homosexuals by genetics and homosexuals by circumstance. There have been reports that certain
94 777236ER : It is also tantamount to torture. All enforced changes of sexuality come about due to intense psychological attack on homosexuality, focusing on the
95 Jaysit : If you look at the websites of even the most ardent "gay to straight reparative therapy" quacks, most today will not say that their "patients/victims
96 AR385 : I have a friend who has been in long term relationships with women and men. I asked him once wether he was gay or bi or what? His answer surprised me
97 Mir : It may not be "normal" (though I'm really not sure what you mean by normal), but examples of homosexuality can be found throughout nature. Homosexual
98 TedTAce : One who believes Government spending is more important then their rights? Too bad that this administration has spent more then most of the previous a
99 Doona : Haha, this is what I used to think, and it certainly makes more sense, but somehow I don't find myself falling in love with any women! Cheers Mats
100 Post contains images Bofredrik : Wait until you meet the right one...
101 AeroWesty : For what? Shopping? Lunch?
102 Dougloid : Interesting. One wonders why some folks are so resistant to the notion that sexual orientation is malleable? I mean, there are people who go both way
103 AeroWesty : It's so people can justify being self-righteous for asking if we want to be accepted, why we can't just "act normal" and not have to have "displays o
104 MBMBOS : I hear you. I am at a loss as to why people care about what other people are doing sexually. I don't pretend to have all of the answers, but as long
105 Dougloid : And that's fine by me-as Thomas Jefferson once said if it neither picks my pocket or breaks my leg it's none of my business. That's the way I try and
106 AeroWesty : I keep wondering when a fundie with a reasoned well thought out argument will step forward, but haven't found one yet. The last one here shut up as s
107 Dougloid : Don't hold your breath. Anyway Jerry and Pat send them all back for regrooving. I'd say the most difficult thing that straight people like myself hav
108 Post contains images Mt99 : I see that all the time. I like to think that they act like the Fembots when Austin Powers strips for them.. They shiver, shake their head and smokes
109 Halls120 : What amazes me are the people who on one hand are stridently anti-homosexual because of their religious beliefs, but accept their son/daughter/sister
110 RJpieces : Oh please, and any other politican is different? As a politician, especially as President, you sometimes have to do things that you disagree with for
111 AeroWesty : DADT allowed "some" homosexuals to remain in the military, when before "all" homosexuals were banned. It certainly was not a "victory", but it can't
112 Halls120 : DADT was, and is, a public relations smokescreen. Before DADT, if you were a high performing homosexual in the military who kept your private life pr
113 Post contains images AeroWesty : No disagreement there!
114 Ctbarnes : Would you rather they reject their son or daughter? More often than not peoples' actions are far more authentic than their rhetoric. That, IMHO, is t
115 AeroWesty : Once people speak their mind, debate on their thoughts is fair game. If someone tells me all I need is a "good woman" to turn me around, what am I to
116 UAL747 : Being a homosexual is not a mental disorder. People will argue back and forth about it being one or not, but it is a natural occurrance in any species
117 Halls120 : Of course not. What I don't understand is how they can accept their son or daughter, but reject their sexual preference. Since I believe we are born
118 Lhrmaccoll : Absolute bollocks. Its the wankers that publish this jargon who have the mental problems. Alex
119 Ctbarnes : Are you really sure they're rejecting it though? Taking peoples' words at face value can sometimes be a superficial response to the complexity of peo
120 AeroWesty : I could relate to you any number of instances where people seem accepting through words and behavior if they believe there's nothing they can do abou
121 Ctbarnes : No, it isn't-and that's my point. The central issue we seem to be dancing around here is peoples' authenticity. Much as we wish people can be 'real'
122 Post contains images SuperDan : I'm totally behind homosexuality, as long as both chicks are hot
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