AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1299 times:
The United States has activated its global anti-ballistic missile defense systems against the possible threat of a missile launch by North Korea.
According to the Drudge Report, describing an article by Bill Gertz:
Quote: The Pentagon activated its new U.S. ground-based interceptor missile defense system, Bill Gertz reports in Tuesday's WASHINGTON TIMES, just as officials announced that any long-range missile launch by North Korea would be considered a "provocative act."
[...]
Two Navy Aegis warships are patrolling near North Korea as part of the global missile defense and would be among the first sensors that would trigger the use of interceptors, the officials said yesterday.
First and foremost: All due respect to the boys and girls laying it out on the line so I can type this crap.
That being said:
I'm sorry, but unless someone is foolish enough to invade the US, the only military action I'm going to find of any interest will be if we have to kick ET's a$$ a-la ID4. Stopping some crappy N. Korean missle from falling on us is going to be as boring as playing "Missle Command" for the 10 billionth time. If it isn't then Bush will be the first President to be "recalled" in US history. Either way, I win.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3): Stopping some crappy N. Korean missle from falling on us is going to be as boring as playing "Missle Command" for the 10 billionth time.
That "crappy N. Korean missle" is still going 20,000 miles an hour.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1201 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7): Don't forget local U.S. forces near the launch site, or the Aegis ships.
The Patriot system is capable of missile interception.
Those are capable of knocking down (sometimes) TACTICAL missiles. Strategic missiles fly much farther and re-enter at a much higher speed - beyond the capabilities of Patriot or Standard (Aegis).
DrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1193 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3): Stopping some crappy N. Korean missle from falling on us is going to be as boring as playing "Missle Command" for the 10 billionth time.
I wish. I seem to remember that our missile defence system tends to fail much of the time even when tested under highly optimal conditions.
-DrDeke
If you don't want it known, don't say it on a phone.
Mrmeangenes From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 1174 times:
Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 5): Many experts doubt that the system is matured and criticizes that it was so far never tested under realistic conditions.
One reason being the intense hostility produced among our own compatriots every time the topic came up.
I imagine if the Korean missile landed just west of California,there might be a slightly different response...
beats the hell out of oldeuropean ostrich tendencies when they're out of range of the missiles.....our allies and our forces are well within range. I do remember the uproar when it was posited that the Iranians may be able to reach Europe with missiles....
Quoting DrDeke (Reply 9): I wish. I seem to remember that our missile defence system tends to fail much of the time even when tested under highly optimal conditions.
Let's say there's a 50% failure rate (higher than the tests indicate)...let's just send two or three missiles per target.
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8): Those are capable of knocking down (sometimes) TACTICAL missiles.
They have knocked out target warheads in the terminal phase of their arc. The layered theory is that we want to target the weapons in boost, apogee/orbital, and re-entry/terminal phases. Aegis is part of the latter, IIRC.
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 5):
Many experts doubt that the system is matured and criticizes that it was so far never tested under realistic conditions.
Ohhh, I would love to see details. Please post evidence. I have understood from some that this system has been operational for quite some time. The US isn't exacltly advertising this system. Is Consumer Reports the expert?
1. The government would not give enough of the system's specifications and capabilities to an outside entity to make an accurate opinion of it.
2. With all of the negative publicity and strained treaties/relations that this puppy has created, I seriously doubt that anyone will hear the whole truth pertaining to its capabilities and effectiveness.
3. I'm going to watch Spies Like Us again tonight to refamiliarize my self with the sensitive and ambigious political complexities that this system brings forth. (Ok, I just want to see the boobies in the tent scene again..)
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1108 times:
I saw an article that stated a North Korean missle had been found in remote Western Alaska three years ago. The analysis of the missle concluded that the guidence systems were inacurrate and would not be able to plop one on us very accurately. But, I suppose if they could get it anywhere within 25 miles of the Bay area, it would do enough damage. Does anyone have any info on the suspected new range of these new ICBMs as well as their guidance systems?
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1103 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6): That "crappy N. Korean missle" is still going 20,000 miles an hour.
ummm NO. 17,500 MPH is orbital velocity; @ 20,000 it would 'never' fall down. I want to say 22,000 MPH is escape velocity, I'm to tired to google it. Yeah; still hitting something in the 5-12,000 MPH range won't be easy, but after the BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars this and many other administrations have spent, it's about time that kit worked. The last thing this administration needs is the death blow of a glowing Nuclear ANC.
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29366 posts, RR: 61 Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1093 times:
Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1087 times:
Talk about a boondoggle that costs us billions in taxpayers money, isn't really needed, and only benefitted the military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about, this is it.
We had the best missile defense system ever: it was our own aresenal, and the threat of "if you launch a nuke at us, we turn you into a parking lot."
Fumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1084 times:
Quoting L-188 (Reply 16): I don't remember if that is exactly what happened, but I do remember that the last NK test came too close to Alaska for my taste.
Well, I was googling around and I found this article that states a piece of the warhead was found in Alaska. My bad, just a piece of the warhead.
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7338 posts, RR: 52 Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1043 times:
ArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1036 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 17): Talk about a boondoggle that costs us billions in taxpayers money, isn't really needed, and only benefitted the military-industrial complex that Ike warned us about, this is it.
You got that right. I hope like hell they don't try to intercept. With Bush's track record it will hit downtown Vancouver and fail to detonate. Another incompetent program exposed.
ArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1032 times:
That sounds bad. I did not mean to say I wish it would detonate in Canada. I was trying to say they can't even get the "boom" part right either...LOL
I love my little northern neighbors..Kinder and Gentler.
Pbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1023 times:
Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 5): American omnipotence fantasies:
Only 11 rockets are able to protect the US.
Many experts doubt that the system is matured and criticizes that it was so far never tested under realistic conditions.
You really dont understand Americans. You probably consider us to collectively be a cross between Jethro on the Beverly Hillbillies TV show and Mike Tyson.
What you dont understand is that we dont give a shit if we miss this one missle test We are still building the system - this will be a nice test. But, trust me, we will figure it out, and then your country will be begging us for protection (again).
ArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3366 posts, RR: 16 Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1016 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 15): want to say 22,000 MPH is escape velocity, I'm to tired to google it.
I think it's around 18,500 mph give or take. Probably more due to their higher-lattitudes.
Check your bags, check your brain.
25 ArtieFufkin: Guy that is so wrong. Nobody is asking us for protection. Wake up. We are losing a war that we started based on bullshit. It's costing us 320 Billion
26 Pbottenb: OK, so you seem kind of pissed off...I dont want to argue about it one way or another..... BUT, N Korea is a definate problem that is not going away.
27 SATX: I get the feeling that if we keep going around poking every dog we come across eventually we're going to get bitten again. The only thing I know for s
28 TedTAce: Yeah, right. That boondogle cost a few million at WORST. How many TRILLIONS have been UTTERLY WASTED by SDI since the original cowboy himself took of
29 Tbar220: Well if that's so, why is he so ronery?
30 N766UA: Right, and since N. Korea doesn't give a flying F about this fact, it's nice to know we have something else to defend ourselves with.
31 Tu204: Well, I am pretty sure that we have not given the North Koreans quasiballistic technology, so it won't be that hard for anyone to shoot down a North K
32 L-188: I think you have been reading too much L. Ron Hubbard lately. System was never intended for a soviet attack, otherwise they would have but it in Graf
33 SATX: What's the difference? Some Christians I know keep looking for excuses to believe the end is upon us and if you watch some of the shows on the Christ
35 Oldeuropean: No, it never will work and, the joke is: be sure it doesn`t matter if it doesn`t work. Because, it is built of the same reason the US makes the war i
36 LSPA: What's up with the plan of converting this 747 with a laser to shoot down ballistic missles? Andybody updated on that? Because that sounds pretty cool
37 TedTAce: Check Mil/space there is a thread about it there.
38 LTBEWR: I think we should use some diplomacy with China to note that it isn't in their best interest for N. Korea to even try out this missile. China is about
40 AerospaceFan: The U.S. Air Force is well on its way in the 747 ABM program and I would imagine that tests will be conducted before long.
41 DL021: What happens when we're dealing with a government run by a person who is not subject to the same ideals, conventions and mores that ours is? The guy
42 Daedaeg: This is why liberals are not taken seriously in America. You have no respect for people of Faith. Exactly, And I can't understand why anyone would be
43 JGPH1A: Nice idea - trouble is, opposition in N.Korea has a life expectancy slightly shorter than that of a mayfly with TB and suicidal tendencies. People of
44 TedTAce: I have respect for people of TRUE faith. Holding the bible on-high and going to Church every Sunday is not faith, it's pandering to heard mentality f
45 Cfalk: Don't take the excuse of extremists to become an extremist yourself. Those idiots are not indicative of the wider religious population, and you know
46 JGPH1A: No but they are the visibile and highly vocal tip of the ever threatening iceberg.
47 Centrair: Even though this defense system is operational let's hope we don't have to use it and that the level heads prevail. They have in the past, they can ag
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