Seven muslims living in Liberty City, FL were arrested in connection to a plot to blow up the Chicago Sears Tower and a federal building located in Miami. Arrest come from a infiltrated FBI agent of the group.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 33 Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1803 times:
Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 1): Is it really necessary to say Muslims?
There is no such thing of Liberty City, FL its just a part of Miami FL, a not so nice part I might add.
Anyway good job in catching these guys but its to early to tell if there was an real danger.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 1): Is it really necessary to say Muslims?
It is needed to queue the "weird beards" to ramble on about how they are the "peaceful, loving religion of Islam."
The thing that amuses me is they have been said to be targeting the Sears Tower up in Chicago which IIRC the lead architect or construction engineer was arabic and Muslim (Iranian I think.)
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
PIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1725 times:
I am glad these Mother F*%$& were caught. They would actually blow
up the Sears Tower, something a muslim man made. I don't even
think its American owned. Doesn't A Japanese company own it now?
Who lets these jerks into this country?
KSYR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1725 times:
I'm glad that the FBI stopped these loons before they could hurt anybody. Just goes to show that we still can't let our guard down; there are still people out there who want to harm us.
Thomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3727 posts, RR: 25 Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1720 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6): IRC the lead architect or construction engineer was arabic and Muslim (Iranian I think.)
PIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1717 times:
Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6): The thing that amuses me is they have been said to be targeting the Sears Tower up in Chicago which IIRC the lead architect or construction engineer was arabic and Muslim (Iranian I think.)
Fazlur R. Khan was East Pakistani (Now Bengladesh). He was also a professor
at my College (Long Before I went there) IIT.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1676 times:
Poor education and stereotyping on my part. My bad.
Quoting PIA777 (Reply 11): Fazlur R. Khan was East Pakistani (Now Bengladesh).
Thank you. I remember his involvement in the Sears Tower because after we had visited the observation deck one day and went back to the office the cabbie asked us if we knew that the lead guy was Muslim. When I responded I remember reading somethng about that he went off on a diatribe about how Americans hate Muslims and how we will have Jihad visited upon us and the other Islamofascist talking points.
I was a bit worried that something was going to burst in this guy's head and they would find us dead in a back alley somewhere. Luckily we got to the office and I gave him a big tip and got us the Hell out of there.
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
Delta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2559 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
A terrorist is a terrorist, Whether they are Muslim, Christian, Jewish, ect......Whether they are Osama Bin Laden, Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kaczynski, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, or Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
Emrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 914 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1627 times:
Cfalk:
"Virtually 100% of the active terrorists today are muslim"
A terrorist cannot have a religion. The real muslims,christians, jewishes or the members of other religions don't make terrorism. Even they say they have got religion, it is so clear that it is not TRUE.
So don't say 100% of the terrorists are muslim. All the terrorist are deserved to be punished as much as it can.
Perhaps you can try to explain that to Osama and crew. Get back to me when they sever your head for being an infidel that dare diagree with their form of Islam.
[Edited 2006-06-23 12:59:10]
"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1591 times:
I think that the arrests are a good thing if it's true that the suspects did indeed engage in the plots that the media has described. I will be following this story with some interest, as the FBI is due to provide more information on this matter later this morning.
DeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 16 Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1584 times:
Quoting Emrecan (Reply 20): How you can proove me osama is muslim?
Ummm...his own words. Wake up and smell the coffee about Islamofascist Terrorism. It does exist and they do believe they are religious.
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1577 times:
Quoting Emrecan (Reply 17): Cfalk:
"Virtually 100% of the active terrorists today are muslim"
I am curious if President Bush is also muslim. Do you have any idea?
Without endorsing the view that virtually all active terrorists today are Muslim, I think it is rather incorrect to imply that the President is a terrorist. On what basis would such a charge be made?
Sadly, the likes of the regrettable Michael Moore might agree that the President is a "terrorist", and indeed, even a luminary such as the ponderous John Kerry himself said it should be Iraqi troops and not American soldiers who "terrorize" Iraqi citizens by rousting them from slumber in the middle of the night. (Both, I think, are rather questionable comments, to say the least.) But I hope one realizes that such descriptions are far from those that could be legally or, I think, rationally defensible. I doubt very much that the President of the European Union would so warmly engage President Bush, as was done in the recent U.S.-EU summit in Austria, if it were true that our President is a "terrorist" in any way.
Of course, your opinion could vary, and that is your right.
Emrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 914 posts, RR: 8 Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1577 times:
DeltaGator:
I don't believe any terrotist has any religion. This is what I believe. I never believe there is islamic or cristian or jewish or budist or bla. bla. bla. terrorism.
Terrorism is one of the biggest problems in the world and I hope one day it will be all over. ( I know it is not possible )
Darrenthe747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1577 times:
Quoting YYZflyer (Reply 1): Is it really necessary to say Muslims?
let's dispose of the political correctness, shall we?
islam is not the peaceful religion p.c. folks try to convince us it is. it just isn't. Buddhism is a peaceful religion. islam is not a peaceful religion. look at the horrible things in the world today because of their ideologies.
25 Halls120: If they are all muslims, and were intent on carrying out their actions as part of a jihad, sure. If their religion had nothing to do with why they wa
26 AerospaceFan: Emrecan, the vast majority of Muslims are good and decent people, and I hope that nothing that is said here conveys any hint of prejudice against the
27 Cfalk: They THINK of themselves as devout Muslims. While I agree that all religions can be perverted to such an extent (Davidians, Westboro Baptist Church,
28 Emrecan: AerospaceFan: I completely agree with you. I just wanted to tell that if a person kills someone innocent, that person cannot have a religion. I mean t
29 AerospaceFan: Emrecan, I'm glad there is such agreement between us. There is a lot of loose talk in the world today, and as a listener to talk radio, I know that t
30 Emrecan: AerospaceFan: "We should, instead, promote peace and understanding where it is possible, and where it is not possible -- where religion is hijacked --
31 AerospaceFan: Thank you very kindly; I am proud to be on that list.
32 Halls120: Given the article below, I'd be interested in hearing from our more politically correct members on why they still think the headlines should have omit
33 Mrmeangenes: All the facts aren't in yet, but CNN claims all were Black Muslims; 5 were US born,1 was an illegal from Haiti, and 1 was from (?) here on a visa-but-
35 Mrmeangenes: Of course, if they HAD been Irish Catholics, the Media would have been all over it ! Can't you see the headlines ? Altar Boy Rapists Thwarted in Terr
36 ME AVN FAN: not exactly, but it would have been necessary to mention that at least 5 of 7 were "Black Muslims" which is NOT Blacks who happen to be Muslims but m
37 Jacobin777: You've been watching too much Pat Robertson... more like in the thousands...of which its still a tiny percentage of over a billion..... and they need
38 Miamiair: Doesn't matter what they are, they were panning subversive, terrorist operations in this country. What organization wants to do stuff like that? What
39 Emirates773ER: Your views sadly are very narrow minded.....
40 Cfalk: I beg to differ. Every muslim who demanded that the danish cartoonists be put to death, all those that yell "death to America", those thousands of ji
41 Newark777: Right. But it is a fact that the majority of terrorism these days is the result of Islamic extremists. But they're still Islamic. Harry
43 ME AVN FAN: Whatever religion they may have, they are US-Americans
44 Newark777: You're just avoiding the fact that the majority of terrorists right now are Muslim. Harry
45 ME AVN FAN: maybe, but they are still US-American - only few people really wanted any cartoonists be put to death, you mention a few thousands who went/go to Ira
46 Newark777: And the ones caught in Canada were Canadians. All that shows is that the Islamic fundamentalist terrorist cells are recruiting people inside the nati
47 Jacobin777: ..couldn't of said it better myself...
48 LTBEWR: First of all, even if their plots were still in the early planning and plotting stage, then thank the Supreme Being that it was stopped before somethi
49 Mrmeangenes: This is going to be one of those wonderful opportunities to bash the police,the FBI,the Atty General, the administration , "the system", and (of cour
50 AerospaceFan: There is a sense of being underwhelmed by these arrests, unlike the case in Canada recently, where about 17 people were arrested in an alleged plot ag
52 Miamiair: Not all... One is an illegal Haitian. Just pointing out the fact that all of the seven had at least common threads; they were muslims, and they were
53 ME AVN FAN: you mean, some cases of violence in the Middle East ?[Edited 2006-06-23 23:47:46]
54 Newark777: If you want to argue about semantics, fine, but what I saw was embassies in a few nations getting gutted and burned, and people holding violent ralli
55 Mrmeangenes: As you've already noticed-right on this thread- it doesn't take long for the "spin machine" to start whirring.Here's an example, from the uncharted wi
56 ME AVN FAN: it is NOT 'semantics'. It was 2 embassies in Beirut and 1 in Damascus which makes a total of 3 and NOT "embassies in a few nations" which sounds like
58 Yanksn4: Seem to be forgetting the Dutch and other Euro embassies in Tehran, Gaza, Kabul, Riyadh, Tripoli. Also don't forget the rallies by muslims in London
59 RNOcommctr: Even the federal officials in charge say this group was more "aspirational than operational". It is possible these guys MIGHT have been able to pull s
60 ME AVN FAN: like small stories about some small matter they faced heavy demonstrations but NOT demolishment or fire "calling for Jihad and death to the infidels"
61 Cfalk: For your information, violence against an embassy is an act of war. Happily, the more civilized countries have turned a blind eye to such acts over t
62 ME AVN FAN: there already in the past were "such severe acts of war" like during the War in Vietnam, when US-embassies were victims of such "acts", and many othe
63 Cfalk: I'm not talking about demonstrations. They can do that all they want. There have been a lot of bombed and invaded embassies. Beirut, London, Nairobi,
64 ME AVN FAN: - But criminals are NOT "the" country but against the country. - an attack on another country by some criminals. Most governments in question, with t
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