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Plastic Surgery- What's Your View?  
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

There's been threads where people have asked if you had some done, but now I'm gonna ask: What's your view on this?

HAVE you had some done? Would you or are you planning to? What would you say if your girlfriend/boyfriend came up to you and said they wanted something done?

I'm currently considering getting some major work done. Up until now, I've only had "necessary" work done- and soon, I'll have some scar removal (all medical)- nothing pure cosmetical yet.

i think it's fine- as long as whoever gets it does it for HIM/HERSELF! There's a reason why plastic surgeons won't touch you with a bargepole if a woman tells him she wants boob implants because her boyfriend thought it'd be nice  Wink

So... if it makes you feel better, why not.

Your turn  Wink

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

I think if it takes thousands of dollars of surgery just to make yourself feel better about yourself, then you need to take a look at your priorities.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3012 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 1992 times:
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Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
I think if it takes thousands of dollars of surgery just to make yourself feel better about yourself, then you need to take a look at your priorities.

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I think plastic surgery is only justified in extreme cases, for example after a bad accident which leaves scars, or for illness or genetically caused problems. But only to look better? Not justified IMHO. But it's not my money after all, so everyone is free to do what (s)he likes.

-Manuel



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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

I have seen where 'beauty' comes from the real confidence a person has. And confidence is not a physical attribute. Therefore, if you use physical means to instill confidence in yourself, stop trying.

If you already have that confidence, and you find yourself looking for 'touchups', then go ahead and do it.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
I think plastic surgery is only justified in extreme cases, for example after a bad accident which leaves scars, or for illness or genetically caused problems.

Of course. And even surgeries like gastric bypass have seemed to become a fashionable way for the obese to lose weight, while it used to be a last resort for the people who just couldn't lose weight for one reason or another.

And as for plastic surgery to the face, unless it is done really well, it is SO noticeable. I look at pictures like this and just laugh.



Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

Quoting Jap (Thread starter):
Plastic Surgery- What's Your View?

Go get one only if you absolutely have to. Scar removal, skin transplant, any plastic surgery that is related to a medical condition or is absolutely necessary is perfectly fine for me. Surgery out of vanity or just to make yourself feel better is not.

Quoting Jap (Thread starter):
HAVE you had some done?

No.

Quoting Jap (Thread starter):
Would you or are you planning to?

Only if there is a medical reason for that.

Quoting Jap (Thread starter):
What would you say if your girlfriend/boyfriend came up to you and said they wanted something done?

If my girlfriend wants to do it, then there will be a discussion on this. If it is to boost confidence or just because, then there would be a major argument about this.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
I think if it takes thousands of dollars of surgery just to make yourself feel better about yourself, then you need to take a look at your priorities.

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Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 3):
If you already have that confidence, and you find yourself looking for 'touchups', then go ahead and do it.

I'd still not approve of that in that case if it was for vanity reasons. However, if it is a touchup after previous reconstructive surgery (e.g. scar removal for a scar that was the result of some kind of accident), then I'd personally approve.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3599 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 1964 times:

Only if it is needed after an accident or something like that.

I had some but it was after corrective Jaw surgery. From 4th grade till I a senior in College, I wore braces. My jaw had been reshaped so I could bite straight down. I never ate corn on the cobb or steaks. Corn had to be cut off the cobb and steak had to be cut into baby sized bits so I could chew it. Took forever to eat.

They repositioned by jaw changing it from underbite and left leaning to straight but that put my chin off to the right so they cut it and rebuilt it where it would look good. Couldn't solids for 6 weeks.

This was an optional surgery. But I had worn braces for most of my life by then and was not going to let it all lapse so I had the cosmetic part.

Now I can eat steak and corn on the cobb. And in Japan...not eating a steak would be torture.



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2556 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Only if there is a medical need. Otherwise I'm happy just the way I am. I am human, therefore I am bound to have imperfections and those imperfections are what make me distinct from others. Unless it's a fatal imperfection, I'm not inclined to mess with it.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21857 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

I see no need for plastic surgery, except in cases where it's necessary for medical purposes.

If someone wants to have it, that's their perrogative, but I would agree with Newark777 that it shows that that person has their priorities messed up.

-Mir



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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1931 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 8):
I see no need for plastic surgery, except in cases where it's necessary for medical purposes.



Quoting ManuCH (Reply 2):
I think plastic surgery is only justified in extreme cases, for example after a bad accident which leaves scars, or for illness or genetically caused problems.

 checkmark  That's exactly where i stand on this matter.
Very well said Mir and ManuCH  bigthumbsup 

Zaki


User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

I don't know... I know someone who's had small, flat breasts her entire life. She hides herself, and even though she's 23, she's never taken her clothes off in front of anyone. Apart from that aspect, her confidence is great. She had her breasts done last year, and since then, she's been so much happier- I'm just happy for her.

I'm not doing this for a confidence boost or out of vanity either (well... somewhat... what kind of cosmetic/plastic surgery isn't out of some sort of vanity?)- I'm doing this because I think it'd look great and go well with the rest of my body- to me, what I want fixed is just an imperfection. I won't be anywhere near perfect when I'm done, but I'll have something fixed that I've hated for years  Wink

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
If my girlfriend wants to do it, then there will be a discussion on this. If it is to boost confidence or just because, then there would be a major argument about this.

Why? It's her body. If she doesn't feel good because of something on her body, who are you to tell her that she can't fix it?  Wink


User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3842 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Actually, some people who have a physical defect, even when it's not really one, tend to focus on it so much that it basically ruins their confidence, social life and even life itself, in some cases.

I have known a guy whose ears were a little angled outward, it wasn't too bad, but the guy focused so much on it became a psychological thing. He didn't feel good in his head just because of that thing.
He had two options: Go through long and expensive therapy with a shrink to try and overcome it, or get a simple surgery.

He got the surgery and now he feels great about himself, his confidence is back and all.

I reckon there are people who'll get a plastic surgery for anything, and push it a little.

I think plastic surgery helps fixing the mind more than making the body looks better, but if it makes people feel better about themselves and improves their life, why not.
First, they have to ask themselves if it'll really improve it though.

Most of us don't have any slight deformities we're ashamed about, so I guess we'd have to be in the skin of someone who has to get a real unbiased opinion, but in the end, it's really just a mind thing.



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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1908 times:

I few of our older lady clients have had face lifts, and the problem seems to be that once they've had one, when things start loosening up again they have another one, so after the 3rd one they end up looking rather Oriental.

The concept of growing old gracefully is lost on some people.



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User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

I have been debating this for a while now. I have a few reminders of a troubled youth on my face-scars from past adventures and some from acne. While I don't seem to have trouble attracting girls, I feel self-conscious about it, especially when I'm close up with someone. One dermatologist quoted me 1,000 dollars to laser resurface my face, which for me is quite expensive, but I figure I have my whole life ahead of me with my face and money can be replaced.

It’s interesting I read in these posts an obvious contradiction. People state that if some deformity is caused by a previous accident undergoing some procedure is acceptable, while purely for vanity it is not. But fixing an injury oftentimes is for vanity as that person has changed, though naturally by the body's healing mechanisms, but the person wants to return to their original state.


User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
I think if it takes thousands of dollars of surgery just to make yourself feel better about yourself, then you need to take a look at your priorities.


Suppose hypothetically that someone is naturally endowed such that they deviate from the norm of the human form. For example an individual is born with deformities to their face, while they are completely functional and such they are evidently different; should this person accept his/her self, or change to be accepted socially? Could you possibly imagine a life where you are frequently stared at, ridiculed, whatever by the public at large, based only on your minor differences; to simply accept this life seems difficult.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 14):
For example an individual is born with deformities to their face, while they are completely functional and such they are evidently different; should this person accept his/her self, or change to be accepted socially?

That is completely understandable, along with the people who have been victims of accidents. My view is referring to the people who say, "My nose is a bit too big," or, "Why work out, I can just get some lipo."

I'm not going to stop anyone from doing it or judge anyone who does, I just feel it is a complete waste of money. But if that's how you want to spend it, that's your right.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

But even your example of the nose can illustrate a facial abnormality. At what point does a small bump or general irregularity become unacceptable to society? Another consideration is to what members of society. Someone could have an upward curve at the tip of the nose, that is only noticed and ridiculed perhaps by those he feel compelled to be judgmental on such petty matters. This complicates matters in that one must consider for their minor imperfection am I doing it for acceptance from these types of people? But everyone is judgmental to a certain extent; when does a difference in the nose become such that it is evident to all, perhaps even a distraction, to not only the overly judgmental types but to almost everyone?

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1871 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 16):
But even your example of the nose can illustrate a facial abnormality. At what point does a small bump or general irregularity become unacceptable to society?

I think if you feel a large nose makes you unacceptable to society, you have problems. We were all born the way we are, and if you can't accept that, then you have have problems.

Some people are attractive, and some are just plain ugly. It's a fact of life, and you have to deal with it. If major surgery makes you feel better about yourself, so be it, but it says something about your self-confidence.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Quoting Jap (Thread starter):
What's your view on this?

If it makes you feel better and you can afford it, just do it.


User currently offlineSean1234 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 411 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

I originally illustrated with an extreme example, to which you seemed to agree. The point is when does this extreme become simply a minor variation that requires no change at all?
What I was saying is:
An extreme abnormality might be unacceptable to most of society where as you move across the spectrum from extreme to some idea of "perfect" the level of acceptability increases.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 17):
We were all born the way we are, and if you can't accept that, then you have have problems.

This contradicts what you said earlier; I not sure where you really stand here. But what I feel personally, as you seem too as well if you have a small bump in your nose or it slightly crooked that's just what defines you and you shouldn't change it. Even still if your nose is not "perfect" there will be people who will observe such and may not accept you for what you have.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1851 times:

Quoting Sean1234 (Reply 19):
But what I feel personally, as you seem too as well if you have a small bump in your nose or it slightly crooked that's just what defines you and you shouldn't change it. Even still if your nose is not "perfect" there will be people who will observe such and may not accept you for what you have.

That's what I'm trying to say.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Quoting Jap (Thread starter):
I'm currently considering getting some major work done.

Why, Jap? You're fine the way you are, I am sure!



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User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1640 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

I can speak from experience about plastic surgery.

Since birth, I have had 20-30 surgeries to rebuild my face (which was missing many of its skeletal structures due to Treacher Collins syndrome, a rare genetic craniofacial disorder). I was born with no ears (no outer or middle ears and no ear canals), no palate, no chin, no orbital (eyesocket) rims, and no cheekbones.

All the surgeries were part plastic, part functional. Totally new outer ears were built in multi-stage surgeries using rib and pelvic skin grafts, my mandible and maxilla were rebuilt (and often wired shut) using rib grafts and screws and plates, and my palate was closed. Also, rib grafts were used to build bony rims for the eyesockets and cheekbones (zygomatic arches). While restoring a normal (or near-as-normal-as-possible) appearance, these surgeries also restored some function to certain parts. For example, while the "outer ears" are purely cosmetic (to restore a "normal" appearance) and my midface and cheeks and eye sockets were rebuilt to a normal appearance, my jaws were rebuilt in attempts to restore normal function as well as appearance, and my palate was closed to keep stuff from going up into my nose (and improve speech), among other functional purposes.

Thus my plastic surgeries, performed by dedicated craniofacial teams of specialists (at two children's hospitals in Indianapolis and St. Louis, MO), were dual-purpose: They restored a normal appearance and quality of life, but also restored normal (or near normal as possible) function to my face.

In this world, craniofacially-disfigured children and adults need all the plastic surgery and other medical and other help they can get in order to live normal, functional lives and be accepted by a society that all too often tends to judge according to the external appearance.

So, while my lifetime of plastic surgeries has made me the "Bionic Man" to all who know me, they have also given me a decent, normal life.

SmithAir747



I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... (Psalm 139:14)
User currently offlineJap From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting Christeljs (Reply 21):
Why, Jap? You're fine the way you are, I am sure!

Thanks

And I know- I'm pretty ok with the way I look, I'm just tired of certain things. That, and it's a way for me to start a new life and leave the past behind

It's nothing like a complete face lift, just some removal of excess skin on the face and breast augumentation (SP? Boob implants, damnit )- and, no they won't become "huge"  Big grin

[Edited 2006-06-23 22:17:13]

User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4042 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting Jap (Reply 23):
I'm pretty ok with the way I look

I know we've butted heads a couple of times and not seen eye to eye on one or two things. As for looks, from the pics I've seen of you, you look pretty saucy to me.

 Wink



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25 Post contains images Jap : Ahh, the joy of non-A380 meets Nothing too bad, on the headbutting side, I think Thanks
26 AirPacific747 : Oh come on, Jap! You're still young. Why do you think this is needed? You don't have a hard time finding boyfriends as far as I am aware of? Also, no
27 Newark777 : I can tell you that small real boobs are better than big fake ones. The fake ones look good when you have a shirt on, but once it comes off, they usua
29 Post contains images Jap : That's usually because people who get it done are going overboard I'm not getting huge knockers, I'm just sick of the shape of my own- a lift would o
30 Newark777 : I've seen one girl with a small C, and it felt like you were grabbing rocks. If you get it done, don't go cheap and end up regretting your shitty boo
31 Post contains images Jap : then it certainly wasn't done right! Don't worry, I'll take care And we also have insurance for this- if they do a poor job, you can get it fixed for
32 Post contains images Newark777 : Haha, as long as you take the whole thing seriously. Some people seem to forget that it's plastic SURGERY, and skimp a bit. Seems like you know what
33 Post contains images AirPacific747 : hmmm
34 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Truly justifiable plastic surgeries that are physiologically beneficial to the health of the patient are a no-brainer. Breast reduction made a big dif
35 Aleksandar : Generally, I have nothing against plastic surgery. In fact, I admire ones who went to such surgery for their courage. As for me, I wouldn't go if it i
36 Post contains images Zkpilot : Hope it all goes well for you! I personally don't have a problem at all with implants so long as they are not rediculous! A nice C or D cup is always
37 JCS17 : Plastic surgery is one of the greatest examples of how Western medical care has advanced since the 19th century. It's unbelievable, we were still tryi
38 Post contains links and images ABfemme : Well when you get to my age, Id be up for some lipo and a facelift for those wrinkles I have acquired - but alas my wages dont allow for these luxurie
39 LTU932 : Because for me, if someone does plastic surgery just because she thinks she looks horrible (although the doesn't), then there is no reason to do so.
40 Post contains links Christeljs : http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d193/ABfemme/catwoman.jpg OH MY!
41 Post contains images Leezyjet : I've seen and spoken to her once. She didn't look as bad as that pic, but she did look very strange. Any chance I could be the judge of that........
42 Post contains images OttoPylit : Jap, I am positively sure you look fine just the way you are and don't need any surgery. But lets get a second opinion. Take some pictures of the ski
43 Post contains images AirPacific747 : I asked her before you did
44 Post contains images Jap : How about: NO! I have a candidate in mind already
45 Post contains images Aleksandar : Will you give us candidate's name Or, we should start guessing ?
46 Post contains images Jap : No You just go ahead
47 Post contains images Aleksandar : I have my doubts But I'd rather not make them public.
48 KaiGywer : Yup, three times actually. I was born with cleft lip (harelip) so I had one when I was a couple of months old, when I was 6 and when I was 14.
49 KaiGywer : We need before and after pics so we can judge your surgeon.
50 Post contains images Jap : No you don't ... well, maybe I'll be so proud of them that I wouldn't mind flashing Maybe you'll get a shot or two, if y'all promise not to call me a
51 Post contains images AirPacific747 : That's a deal! (Also I did go through a surgery when I was 9 years old, but I really don't want to talk about why at least not in a public forum )[Ed
52 Ilikeyyc : No If I could afford it, I would like to have some small things done, nothing extravagant. Can we afford it? Seriously though, it would depend on the
53 BNE : Some people certainly over do it and give plastic surgery a bad name. Michael Jackson comes to mind. I agree with the idea of someone having plastic s
54 Bill142 : I agree.. If its going to hinder your quality of life then yes its worth it. But if its simply to keep you looking like you 20 when your bordering 50
55 Post contains images KaiGywer : I motion for a fundraiser to support Jap
56 BigOrange : Janni you certainly don't need plastic surgery, you look good enough as it is, but at the end of the day it's your body and your choice. I don't belie
57 Post contains images Jap : I know I don't NEED it. I'm fairly happy with myself, but: There is a psychological aspect I was bullied through my entire school life, as some of yo
58 BigOrange : Janni, my comments were not aimed at you, I was just generalizing. I admire you for wanting to look better after what you have been through. I person
59 KaiGywer : If you were trying to lose weight, then that is good, and tell me the secret on how. If you weren't then, that sucks.
60 Go3Team : I had some work done when I was 3. I suffered from an accident which caused my mouth to pretty much seal itself halfway around. The surgeon had to pre
61 Post contains images Jap : I wasn't trying, but I'm certainly not unhappy with the weightloss (apart from the boob thing)
62 Post contains images Leezyjet : Have you tried doing press ups and using weights to tone and firm up what you have ?. That might be worth doing in the interim period until you have
63 Post contains images Jap : I do horsebackriding most days of the week, and you must remember that women's breasts are only fat and milkglands- no muscles (well, underneath... b
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