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User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

Hiya,
Having looked at the thread on "The most irritating features of Windows" and reading about how great the Apple Mac experience is. It has got me thinking, is the grass really that much greener on the other side. Are there any problems or gripes which you have with Mac computers? Also, if you do not have a Mac computer what do you think would tempt you to buy one?

Having never owned a Mac, I cannot answer the first question but feel that a major reason for me not owning a Mac is the price and the fact that to use Mac you need to buy a Mac computer. The second reason could be seen as a not a big problem but as I already own a computer powerful enough to run Windows XP, why do I need to go out and buy another one.

Regards
Matt

P.S I think that Apple should release a downloadable "Live CD", like the ones available for the Linux range of operating systems, to enable people like me to try out the Apple experience. If it could run on any computer, then people, like me, could try out the operating system for free and then decide whether or not to invest in the new hardware required to make the switch  Smile

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User currently offlineJAGflyer From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 3509 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

The one button "Mighty Mouse". Although I like that microscopic scroll ball I hate the whole mouse being 1 big button. Whats are the side buttons for?


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Finder. It sucks utterly, and theres a new one planned for 10.5.

Thats about my only gripe.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2709 times:

The price. You'd think that with the move to MacTels, the Power PC based systems would've come down in price more significantly than they have.

EDIT: Typo

[Edited 2006-06-27 00:38:59]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
It has got me thinking, is the grass really that much greener on the other side.

Yes, it is!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
Are there any problems or gripes which you have with Mac computers?

Sure there are. So far mainly minor ones which don't remotely compare with the advantages, but there's still room for improvement.

The current Finder in MacOS X, for instance, is not as good as the last one in the classic MacOS up to version 9. There's hope, however, that it will get much-demanded improvements in MacOS X 10.5 Leopard...

Minor hardware issues do pop up once in a while with various models; Some real (like the audio noise in the PowerMac G5 when nap mode is enabled and certain PCI cards are used), some imaginary and some very rare.

All in all the net balance is still clearly positive for almost all users, but as I said elsewhere, the standards are quite a bit higher for a premium brand like Apple than they would be for a manufacturer of bargain products...

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
but feel that a major reason for me not owning a Mac is the price

If you really compare what you're getting for your money, Macs are pretty competitive, actually; The oh-so-cheap PCs are usually crippled in several not immediately apparent respects, while the relatively few Mac models have quite a well-rounded package of features.

Really comparing the features in detail can be quite revealing...

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
The second reason could be seen as a not a big problem but as I already own a computer powerful enough to run Windows XP, why do I need to go out and buy another one.

Sure, if you don't need a new computer, don't get one. But then please stay away from the nearest Apple dealer or Apple Store, including the online one - you might develop cravings otherwise...!

Quoting Tmatt95 (Thread starter):
I think that Apple should release a downloadable "Live CD", like the ones available for the Linux range of operating systems, to enable people like me to try out the Apple experience. If it could run on any computer, then people, like me, could try out the operating system for free and then decide whether or not to invest in the new hardware required to make the switch

...or just use the inevitable pirated version as they do with Windows, right?

Apple is first and foremost a hardware company. The OS is a tool to sell the hardware. So that is simply not going to happen.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 1):
The one button "Mighty Mouse". Although I like that microscopic scroll ball I hate the whole mouse being 1 big button. Whats are the side buttons for?

For squeezing.

The Mighty Mouse is actually a four-button mouse: It senses you pressing the "single button" on the left or right side; You can also press down the scroll ball and squeeze the side buttons (but it does not distinguish between those, unfortunately).

Go to System settings - Keyboard & Mouse - Mouse to assign the four mouse buttons to the functions you want. By default, the Mighty Mouse is indeed configured as a single-button mouse (actually a three-button mouse) by ignoring whether you're clicking with the left or right side.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

I love my Mac, but I just wish they would make a simple, wireless optical mouse with two-click capability and a scroll wheel. In particular, I like the tactile feed-back of Logitech mice.

It just seems like Apple is trying to be too fancy with the Mighty Mouse. Plus it isn't wireless.

Other than that... nothing really to complain about!


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2692 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
I love my Mac, but I just wish they would make a simple, wireless optical mouse with two-click capability and a scroll wheel. In particular, I like the tactile feed-back of Logitech mice.

It just seems like Apple is trying to be too fancy with the Mighty Mouse. Plus it isn't wireless.

Other than that... nothing really to complain about!

Just connect a regular, non-Apple wireless mouse. Works just fine.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 6):
Just connect a regular, non-Apple wireless mouse. Works just fine.

That's what I do... But I'd love something that matched the computer  Wink


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 3):
The price. You'd think that with the move to MacTels, the Power PC based systems would've come down in price more significantly than they have.

No, the new Intel CPUs are actually quite a bit more expensive than the PowerPC chips were!


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
That's what I do... But I'd love something that matched the computer

Ahhh...I see  Smile I use one of these, and I don't think it looks pretty good next to the mac keyboard and mac monitor.


User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

I agree, don't even think about the standard wireless Apple Mouse. I destroyed mine with a hammer and a big grin after a year and bought the new Mighty Mouse...but as others said you can use any mouse you want. My i-Mac has other irritants on occasion but any time I think of PC's my bowels loosen and I run for the can. The best thing about Macs in my opinion? I haven't seen a pop-up ad or had my computer infected by a virus in 2 years. That alone is worth the extra $1000.

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Quoting Wingman (Reply 10):
That alone is worth the extra $1000.

Have you actually tried to find a PC that costs $1000 less than your Mac and still has the same feature set? I'd love to see that!


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
No, the new Intel CPUs are actually quite a bit more expensive than the PowerPC chips were!

...Which brings me to my biggest gripe about Macs these days, the Intel chips inside them. They are fast, but they're also hot and expensive.

IBM came out with their Cell processor this year, and just last week managed to overclock a chip to 500Ghz with the help of the Georgia Institute of Technology. They still make great advancements in processor technology, and I wish that Apple hadn't jumped ship.  Sad



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 12):
...Which brings me to my biggest gripe about Macs these days, the Intel chips inside them. They are fast, but they're also hot and expensive.

And still they're the coolest and cheapest chips within their performance class, unfortunately.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 12):
IBM came out with their Cell processor this year, and just last week managed to overclock a chip to 500Ghz with the help of the Georgia Institute of Technology. They still make great advancements in processor technology, and I wish that Apple hadn't jumped ship.

I feel your pain - I hate the horrible IA32 architecture with a passion; The only saving grace of the current/upcoming versions is AMD's 64bit extension which is halfway okay (but still a far cry from the much more elegant G5).

Unfortunately IBM simply left no choice to Apple other than to jump ship. Without a viable laptop version of the G5 there was simply no way to go but out, as grim as that step was on a technological level.

For the user, the new MacBooks simply perform about as well as my 3-year-old PowerMac G5 at a tiny fraction of its power requirements.

The Cell processor is completely unusable for a universal computer running a modern operating system, unfortunately; It might have been an option otherwise.

Had IBM been more motivated to work with Apple towards their requirements, the switch would probably not have happened.

But since it became inevitable, we'll have to make lemonade from the Intel lemons as well as we can...!  yuck 


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7951 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Mouse and keyboard need replacement. I want an @ and an Euro-key and the standard mouse just doesn't do it for me.

[Edited 2006-06-27 03:35:06]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Mouse and keyboard need replacement.

Keyboard: yes. A proper old-style keyboard with the indestructible mechanics of earlier Cherry ones would be great. Althought the extremely compact form factor is really nice on the current one.

Mouse: Sort of. The original mouse is excellent mechanically, but the movement sensor on my Kensington mouse is better; And I need as many buttons as possible. Even the Kensington's six buttons are not really enough for me.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
I want an @ and an Euro-key

@: <ALT>-L
€: <
ALT>-E

What's the problem?


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
And still they're the coolest and cheapest chips within their performance class, unfortunately.

For the moment. Intel is coming out with their new line, and AMD isn't taking it sitting down. They've launched a new socket, and are slated to release a whole flurry of new processors in the coming months. If history is any indication, they'll be cooler, faster, and cheaper than their Intel counterparts.

BTW, may I direct you to the Pentium D 805. It's the cheapest dual core money can buy, and with a little tweaking it can be overclocked to 4Ghz, outperforming every processor on the market today! See you do that with a Mac.  Smile

-AC773



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7951 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2594 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
@: -L
€: -E

Yeah, I know that, but I want to see the symbols on the respective key. It's a minor issue, I know, but how many people did you have to tell the aforementioned combinations?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
And I need as many buttons as possible.

Three are plenty for me if I only have a right-mouse click without having to press a key on the keyboard at the same time. Plus a scroll-wheel, please.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 16):
For the moment. Intel is coming out with their new line, and AMD isn't taking it sitting down. They've launched a new socket, and are slated to release a whole flurry of new processors in the coming months. If history is any indication, they'll be cooler, faster, and cheaper than their Intel counterparts.

Yeah, but history isn't an indication here - it's been the infamous Netburst architecture which opened Intel's flank for AMD to attack. And within a few weeks, the Pentium 4 and Netburst with it will be history itself. AMD has its work cut out for it against the new generation, that much is certain.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 16):
BTW, may I direct you to the Pentium D 805. It's the cheapest dual core money can buy, and with a little tweaking it can be overclocked to 4Ghz, outperforming every processor on the market today!

For just a few weeks to go - it's the very last hurrah of the Netburst architecture.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 16):
See you do that with a Mac.

Fortunately there's no need for that any more.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 17):
Yeah, I know that, but I want to see the symbols on the respective key.

If you're not using an Apple keyboard, simply put a sticker on the respective key if you need the hint. Or use the Keyboard Overview application to view all of the key assignments at a glance.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 17):
It's a minor issue, I know, but how many people did you have to tell the aforementioned combinations?

As far as I remember you're just the third one.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 17):
Three are plenty for me if I only have a right-mouse click without having to press a key on the keyboard at the same time. Plus a scroll-wheel, please.

Then pretty much any USB mouse will do. Just plug it in and it will work right away.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7951 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
If you're not using an Apple keyboard,

I am using an Apple keyboard, albeit an older version.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Then pretty much any USB mouse will do. Just plug it in and it will work right away.

Right, but those apparently don't come as standard.
As I said: minor issues. It's not that I'm pleased with every mouse that accompanies a new PC.

BTW, does Steve Jobs have a foundation similar to that of Billy the Gates?



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3302 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 2565 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
@: -L

ummm... - 2? Like on EVERY other keyboard in the world? Or am I missing something...

Watch THIS video...hilarious, any maybe posted before, but worth it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794&q=mac

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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3302 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks ago) and read 2565 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
@: -L

ummm...shift-2? Like on EVERY other keyboard in the world? Or am I missing something...

Watch THIS video...hilarious, any maybe posted before, but worth it.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6553260189868317794&q=mac

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User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 1):
The one button "Mighty Mouse". Although I like that microscopic scroll ball I hate the whole mouse being 1 big button. Whats are the side buttons for?

Since when is the mighty mouse 1 button. It is 2, I am using mine right now. You might have 1 button enabled. Go to System Prefs and under Key BOard mouse click mouse and you can change the buttons and what they do etc. I am very please with it. I just grip and I get exposè and push the scroll and get dashboard.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 18):
Fortunately there's no need for that any more.

There's no need for value? There's no need to have the fastest processor in the land for about $100?

As you say, to each his own.  Wink



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7951 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2550 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 21):
Watch THIS video...hilarious, any maybe posted before, but worth it.

Lame. Another one who thinks he's funny, good-looking and had something valuable to share.



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25 Bill142 : Perhaps you should look at getting a Windows PC. As you say, it is greener on the other side.
26 Post contains images Klaus : Apple provides the Mighty Mouse with all new desktop Macs as far as I know. No idea - he's keeps his private affairs pretty much under wraps. But sin
27 Post contains images Klaus : Sure there is. But spending development funds on a tricked-out dinosaur of an outdated near-combusting end-of-lifed CPU with a small cache, slow fron
28 Centrair : No...Steve Job's annual income from Apple is US$1 and from Pixar it was US$52. He made his money from the sale of Pixar and holds stock in Apple and
29 RichardPrice : That 500ghz chip is not a general processing unit, its a very specific DSP and thus is not worht mentioning in a thread about CPUs. A good proportion
30 ANITIX87 : I've been using Mac's all my life. Don't make assumptions. And, that video does relate to Mac OSX, because he talks about the dock menu on the bottom
31 FSPilot747 : Maybe I just don't know how to fix this problem, but I hate it when I'm on the University MACS, and when I open Word, or most any software, a bunch of
32 Centrair : Never seen that before. Word for Mac is pretty clean I think. If they have the default set to some stupid settngs then yeah it will end up like that.
33 AC773 : My idea of value is buying a processor for $100 and tweaking it a bit to run faster than procs costing ten times as much. THAT's my idea of value.
34 Post contains images Dougloid : I have it!!!!!!! the insight of the century!!!!!!!!! Microsoft is actually the reincarnation of Joseph Lucas a/k/a the Prince of Darkness. I've always
35 Klaus : Most of the rant is clearly about OS 9, with the Dock almost the only reference to OS X. It's just too inconsistent and unrealistic to even be funny.
36 Post contains images Klaus : What do you think I'm doing here...?
37 Post contains images Dougloid : Well, I dunno....I'm not quite sure....that's what I do here too.... I have worked in the past and here's the evidence Klaus At Work: helluva name fo
38 RichardPrice : Out of interest to some here, I ripped and encoded a DVD last night on my Macbook using Handbrake and then did the same DVD on a Windows based Athlon6
39 Senorcarnival : Its users. filler
40 Post contains images Tmatt95 : Could the type of program (One is freeware and the other you pay for with the operating system) and or setting of the capture have had any effect on
41 Post contains images Lhrmaccoll : Haha klaus do you actually have anything bad to say about Apple? Were you as *confident* as I was back in 95 when their future was questionable? Seri
42 RichardPrice : Both AutoGK and Handbrake are freeware that isnt bundled with the OS. And both were using the ffmpeg binary and library to do the actual encoding to
43 Post contains images Tmatt95 : Ah dont wory, I found it really interesting Regards, Matt
44 Post contains images Klaus : Sure. See post #4, for a start. That Apple is head and shoulders above the rest of the bunch has at least as much to do with the ineptitude of the ot
45 Post contains images Lhrmaccoll : Klaus, i'm not complaining, I love apple I have the logitech MX1000 with my macintosh desktop and just use the standard 1 clicker with the notebook Al
46 Post contains images Garnetpalmetto : The most irritating feature of a Mac? The annoying user with a superiority complex usually hovering over its keyboard.
47 AC773 : Lovely test with one big oversight: 3400 is a single core, and the MB as we know packs a Core Duo. I would recommend taking your MacBook to Boot Camp
48 RichardPrice : Thats the entire point....
49 Post contains images Klaus : You're misunderstanding that, apparently - It's not that you were in any way inferior to others; Just your computer system is...! I'm in fact convinc
50 Dougloid : Klaus, is anyone trying to run the Mac OS on a machine previously dedicated to Winders, now that we're all one big happy dysfunctional Intel family ag
51 RichardPrice : Yes, and its also against the license.
52 Post contains images AC773 : You've proved that a Core Duo is faster than an Athlon 3400+? Bravo sir, bravo. (claps slowly)
53 RichardPrice : I proved that a bottom of the range Apple system is much much faster than what was a top of the range 12 months ago Athlon based system, when the des
54 Post contains links AC773 : First of all, this is a bottom of the range Apple system. Second, the 3800+ was at best a midrange CPU at its peak. Look to the FX series for top-she
55 Post contains images Klaus : Of course not - but most users would actually benefit from a switch. If your hobby is assembling and tweaking your hardware yourself, then it's a dif
56 AC773 : They can and do. Mind you that at every company worth its salt these days has at least 1 IT guy to keep everything running. There are several antivir
57 WSOY : .. is the culthood attached to the platform
58 AC773 : Sorry, I wrote this last part before the mega-rant above it. Consequently, it makes no sense. Let me rephrase: About a year ago, I remember reading t
59 Dan2002 : Not true. I would never say my hobby is tweaking computers. But you show me a Mac where I can put a NIC, fiber optic NIC, an IDE/RAID card, Sound Car
60 LO231 : Klaus. Signed, (insert name)
61 AeroWesty : I could do that in my vintage 2000 Mac G4. Edit: Oh, it has 4 hard drives in it, too.[Edited 2006-06-29 01:16:19]
62 Post contains images AC773 : (It's not a hobby, dammit!) EDIT: Actually you can do that with a PowerMac, but it's bloody expensive. Every other desktop they have is built like a
63 Post contains images Dan2002 : But you cant buy a PC of comparable quality for less than a PowerMac Signed, Klaus Oh, and half of my hardware doesn't have MAC drivers, so um, to bu
64 QR332 : Is it true you can't uninstall programs on OS X? (Stupid question, I know, but I did read that somewhere).
65 AeroWesty : You just toss them in the trash. Some apps have official uninstallers, but they're few and far between.
66 AeroWesty : What's a driver? Signed, The Macintosh
67 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Klaus.
68 Post contains images Dougloid : If a fella was to win the lottery or my rich uncle in Germany died and left me a bundle.....what the heck WAS his name? The Dell hardware has been de
69 Post contains links and images Klaus : That is exactly the point - billions of dollars are being wasted on battling problems and losses which should not even exist in the first place! Your
70 Rolfen : There are some for sure, but I cant remeber all of them right now. For one it's the interface on the laptop, using the touchpad. Dragging objects, scr
71 Post contains links and images AC773 : Sure. But generally speaking, industries that are into the billions aren't going anywhere. They make too much money for too many people. You're right
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