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What Do You Want To See In The Middle East?  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4933 times:

Ok, no BSing around here. I'd like to hear from all sides, and I'd like everyone to be dead honest.

What do you want to see as the future of the Middle East?

Here's what I want:

1. I want Israel secure, behind negotiated borders, that all can accept.

2. I want the Arab an Palestinians to pledge to stop and crush terrorism from their territories towards Israel and the rest of the world.

3. I want Israel to get rid of every settlement in those areas that will comprise a Palestinain State, and to relocate those people to Israel proper.

4. I want the Arabs/Palestinains to formally disavow their state of war against Israel, and work on a long-term peace agreement, that can lead to the prosperity of all it's people, Arab and Jew.

5. I want Jeruselem to be an Open City of the world. Call it what you want-The City of God. It is the birthplace of the three great religions Of The Book, and should not be coveted by, nor controlled in any part, by any of them. It should be governed by one member of each faith.

It cannot and should not belong to anyone.

6. I'd like to see, with such an agreement, the amount of aid sent to the ENTIRE region significantly reduced, as the region becomes prosperous on it's own.

7. The security of Israel, should it be breached, would be backed up by the good faith and the armed forces of the United States, if need be.


That's what I want.

I want peace in the region, where another generation of Jew and Palestinian isn't wasted on conflict.

What say you?

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User currently offlineTraindriver From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Falcon, excellent post. I would like to think that all civilized people
would agree with you. This conflict has been going on much too
long and no one benefits from it.

Jeruselem should be an "open city" governed by reps. from the three
religions where members of the various religions can come and
worship freely.

I'd like to see my grandkids grow up in a world without all the hatred
that exists today. Kind of nice to dream.


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2262 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4919 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
1. I want Israel secure, behind negotiated borders, that all can accept.

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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
2. I want the Arab an Palestinians to pledge to stop and crush terrorism from their territories towards Israel and the rest of the world.

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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
3. I want Israel to get rid of every settlement in those areas that will comprise a Palestinain State, and to relocate those people to Israel proper.

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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
4. I want the Arabs/Palestinains to formally disavow their state of war against Israel, and work on a long-term peace agreement, that can lead to the prosperity of all it's people, Arab and Jew.

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Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
5. I want Jeruselem to be an Open City of the world. Call it what you want-The City of God. It is the birthplace of the three great religions Of The Book, and should not be coveted by, nor controlled in any part, by any of them. It should be governed by one member of each faith.

West Jerusaelm is the capital of Israel. Jewish quarter of the Old City is the only Israeli enclave.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
6. I'd like to see, with such an agreement, the amount of aid sent to the ENTIRE region significantly reduced, as the region becomes prosperous on it's own.

US aid to Israel gradually reduced from NOW, without waiting for any progress in the peace process. It's like breastfeeding an 18 year old.

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
7. The security of Israel, should it be breached, would be backed up by the good faith and the armed forces of the United States, if need be.

Formal defense treaty between Israel and USA( NATO style).



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineOli80 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4918 times:

Quoting Traindriver (Reply 1):
Falcon, excellent post

And I also agree with every point you have made.

The only thing I would amend slightly,

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
7. The security of Israel, should it be breached, would be backed up by the good faith and the armed forces of the United States, if need be.

is replace Israel with country x and the US army, with a coalition force.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4909 times:

Agree fully with 1-6.

If put into place, there wouldn't be the need for 7.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
5. I want Jeruselem to be an Open City of the world. Call it what you want-The City of God. It is the birthplace of the three great religions Of The Book, and should not be coveted by, nor controlled in any part, by any of them. It should be governed by one member of each faith.

I agree with everything you said except this. West Jerusalem has always been the capital of Israel, even before 1967. Jerusalem's importance to Muslims/Arabs has been grossly exaggerated since Israel recaptured it in 1967 and this has been well documented by scholars with factual evidence. Jerusalem is an open city under Israeli control. If I'm not mistaken, when visiting Israel's main military cembetary in Jerusalem you can hear the call to prayer of a nearbye mosque. In the years the Arabs controlled East Jerusalem, any such co-existence was non-existent.

Perhaps you should non-rev on EWR-TLV someday and check it out for yourself!  Smile I guarantee you that if you visited Jerusalem you would have different thoughts on the capital issue...Virtually every American politican comes back feeling that way, hence the US Congress has acted on the issue many times and it continues to be a major issue in US-Israel relations (and Congressional-Executive Branch relations for that matter).


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4900 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):

Sorry, RJ, even if I did, there has to be a way to break the one impasse that has always been in the way-Jeruselem.

It is a holy city for 3 great religions: Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam. It is an area rife with history for all three. It should NOT be controlled by any of them. It should be an Open City, for the people of the world, as a symbol of peace and faith, not death and violence.

I'll stand with this one.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
Sorry, RJ, even if I did, there has to be a way to break the one impasse that has always been in the way-Jeruselem.

Jerusalem has never been the impasse you make it out to be. Barak offered Arafat conrol of all of East Jerusalem...I'd say the real "impasse" issue is the refugees. But essentially both issues you mention are just fronts for not making peace with Israel. The Arabs haven't controlled Jerusalem in 40 years...Sovereignty over half the city is going to stop the fighting?


User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4896 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 6):
It is a holy city for 3 great religions: Christianity, Judiasm, and Islam. It is an area rife with history for all three. It should NOT be controlled by any of them. It should be an Open City, for the people of the world, as a symbol of peace and faith, not death and violence.

I'll stand with this one.

Great Point and Posts Falcon..I agree with All point mentioned in the 1st post.
If I may add the rights of Palestinains to return Home.
I mean Don't Palestinian Arabs have a Right of Return based on UN General Assembly Resolution 194?


Regards
F-OMEA



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4888 times:

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 8):
If I may add the rights of Palestinains to return Home.

Gonna let the thousands of Jews who fled Lebanon return?

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 8):
I mean Don't Palestinian Arabs have a Right of Return based on UN General Assembly Resolution 194?

They can do whatever they want in their own independent country of Palestine. The problem is that most Palestinian Arabs would rather wait for Israel to be destroyed than build their own country in the West Bank and Gaza.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

When I saw this thread I was about to start talking about which countries I wanted to visit.

Just to chime in on the Jerusalem issue - Jerusalem is an important city to all three major religions and I agree with Falcon84 when he says:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
5. I want Jeruselem to be an Open City of the world. Call it what you want-The City of God. It is the birthplace of the three great religions Of The Book, and should not be coveted by, nor controlled in any part, by any of them. It should be governed by one member of each faith.

Agree completely on that.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 5):
every American politican comes back feeling that way, hence the US Congress has acted on the issue many times and it continues to be a major issue in US-Israel relations

Then why is the US embassy still in Tel Aviv and should we expect it to be moved to Jerusalem?

One thing I'd like out of the Middle East (in addition to a number of the things said by Falcon) is to see the Palestinian refugees out of Lebanon and back to their homeland.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4879 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 9):
Gonna let the thousands of Jews who fled Lebanon return?

Absolutely.................... They should get their Homes, Synagogues (in downtown Beirut) and businesses all back.

After all they are Lebanese too!!!


Regards
F-OMEA.



On the internet you can be anything you want..its strange so many choose to be Stupid.
User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Agree with all of them except the last one. Don't trust the americans enough to be called on as a mediator country, a coalition force would do just fine.


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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

I want the Palaestinian government to have enough muscle to stamp out all the private armies, which keep on torpedoing any serious negotiations.

Jan


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

Quoting class=quote target=_blank>AirxLiban (Reply
10
):
Then why is the US embassy still in Tel Aviv and should we expect
it to be moved to Jerusalem?


Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act in 1995 but provided the President with a national security waiver to sign every six months to delay it. If the President felt moving the Embassy would go against US interests, he could sign the waiver not to move it every six months. Clinton signed it every six months during his Presidency. Bush campaigned on moving the embassy to Jerusalem in 2000 (I believe Gore did as well), but has also signed the waiver every six months since becoming President.

In 1995, it passed the House 374-37 and the Senate 93-5...It continues to come up fairly often even today, especially with devout Christians. Senator Sam Brownback gave a speech explaining his feelings on Jerusalem, if you are
interested in reading:
target=_blank>http://www.america21.us/Happenings/D...cfm?TopicID=141&DisplayHistory=All

Also, Wikipedia has a fairly good entry on the US position regarding Jerusalem:
target=_blank>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positions_on_Jerusalem

Section 214 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, 2003 states:

"The Congress maintains its commitment to relocating the United States Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem and urges the President [...] to immediately begin the process of relocating the United States Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem".

As a result of the Embassy Act, official U.S. documents and web sites refer to
Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

The site for the future US Embassy has been demarcated by Israel and the US, and is maintained in the western Jerusalem neighborhood of Talpiot.

Quoting class=quote target=_blank>FOMEA (Reply
11
):
Absolutely.................... They should get their Homes,
Synagogues (in downtown Beirut) and businesses all back.

After all they are Lebanese too!!!

Just for fun, think about the logistics of this. Who is going to pay the Jews
for all of the property/items they left behind? Who is going to pay the current
owners of this property to give it back to the Jews?

It is no coincidence that several Arab conutries declined so drastically after
losing their Jewish populations...Yemen being a perfect example. But don't hold your breath for them to come back after they were kicked out...


User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 850 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4797 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
RJpieces

I am still waiting on your response back in regards to your post when you insulted my parents earlier.


Regards
F-OMEA



On the internet you can be anything you want..its strange so many choose to be Stupid.
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 12):
Don't trust the americans enough to be called on as a mediator country, a coalition force would do just fine.

I wasn't talking about the U.S. mediating anything; I was talking about the U.S. going to war, if need be, to defend Israel.

To me, that's one of the best guarantees of Israel's long-term security.

I would hope her Arab neighbors and newfound friends would forever honor a peace accord, but with the long history of fighting between the two, there has to be something behind the peace to guarantee it.


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
What Do You Want To See In The Middle East?

I can sum it up in just one word.......


 candle  Peace  candle 


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4518 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
In 1995, it passed the House 374-37 and the Senate 93-5...It continues to come up fairly often even today, especially with devout Christians. Senator Sam Brownback gave a speech explaining his feelings on Jerusalem, if you are
interested in reading:
target=_blank>http://www.america21.us/Happenings/D...cfm?TopicID=141&DisplayHistory=All

I read the article by Sam Brownback but all he said that was related to Jerusalem itself was:

"We revere Jerusalem. Your capital, your only capital throughout history, and what will remain your capital. And by the way, Israel is the only place in the world where the United States does not have our embassy in the capital city. It is time, past time, for America to move our embassy to Jerusalem, and to recognize by this act that Jerusalem, undivided, is the capital of Israel.

Many Americans pray for the peace of Jerusalem regularly. By doing so, we embrace what Jerusalem means. It is a city like no other. A symbol of man's ultimate destiny. A shining city upon a hill. A city to be full of souls that are at peace with God and one another. Yes, we pray for the peace of Jerusalem."

So basically, all he says is that it is past time for America to move its embassy to Jerusalem.

I also read the wikipedia article. So the UN states that "that the 1980 Jerusalem Law declaring unified Jerusalem, including annexed East Jerusalem, as Israel's "eternal and indivisible" capital was "null and void and must be rescinded forthwith" (14-0-1, with United States abstaining). The resolution instructed member states to withdraw their diplomatic representation from the city as a punitive measure."

I have to agree with the UN on this one. Jerusalem is first and foremost a holy city for three major world religions and as such should not be affiliated with any country's government - this includes that of a future Palestinian state.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 14):
Just for fun, think about the logistics of this. Who is going to pay the Jews
for all of the property/items they left behind? Who is going to pay the current
owners of this property to give it back to the Jews?

It is no coincidence that several Arab conutries declined so drastically after
losing their Jewish populations...Yemen being a perfect example. But don't hold your breath for them to come back after they were kicked out...

But what does this have to do with the original comment made by FOMEA (as well as me) that the Palestinians should return home? Your response to the comment was "should the jews that left Lebanon be allowed to go back?" and he said absolutely.

Do you have anything to say about the issue raised?



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

- nudist beaches
- proper roads
- moden laws
- trustful gouvernements
- less of these cavernmen who have nothing better to do then burn down embassies and blow themselves up.

and oh...
- peace

Given all that believe it will be paradise on earth here... great beaches, green mountains, the prettiest girls, most friendly people, and all that oil money...

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):

Something tells me you're jewish

----
Seriously now, once the above is applied (especially the nudist beaches) and we have serious, reasonable gouvernements elected by a class of moderate citizens and that are able to control the bearded cavemen on their territory, the rest will all fall in place by itself.

[Edited 2006-06-27 22:21:19]


rolf
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 19):
Something tells me you're jewish

Nope. Born and raised Roman Catholic, and, if I do go to church now, Lutheran.


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

sorry then!
i'm christian, by the way, catholic maronite



rolf
User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4739 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
I wasn't talking about the U.S. mediating anything; I was talking about the U.S. going to war, if need be, to defend Israel.

What if Israel goes to war? You seriously think the US needs to defend a country which is armed to its teeth, that two with nuclear weapons?



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User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

List of what I want to see develope in the middle east:

1. end of islamic fascism

2. liberal movement (example: women's rights, human rights / something similar to us bill of rights)

3. overthrow of regimes like syria's, iran, saudi arabia, etc.

4. democratic process in every country

5. recognition of israel by all islamic countries

signed,
Matthew



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4715 times:

Too tired to list what I want to see now, maybe tomorrow, but for now:

RJ, your arrogance is exactly why an international city solution would not work. You see Jerusalem as minor to Muslims, while it is extremley important. And, religion apart, it has always been considered as the capital of Palestine by Palestinians, and as the most important city for Palestinians - the Dome of the Rock is pretty much a landmark for Palestine and it is located in Jerusalem. Jerusalem has a very long and rich Islamic history, starting with the prophet ascending to heaven from the Rock to the crusades and on to modern times. But, at the same time, it is very significant to Christians and Jews as well, which is why it is unfair to say it is more important to side x.

But, the above, IMO, is idealistic. A more realistic solution would be to split Jerusalem into East and West, with West Jer. being the capital of Israel and East Jer. being the capital of Palestine. The Old City is in East Jerusalem and would hence be Palestinian territory, with the exception of the Jewish quarter and the Western Wall. Also, the settlements choking East Jerusalem must be dismantled.


25 Falcon84 : I don't give a damn what kind of government they have, Yanks. An American-style democracy is not for everyone. I don't care if they have a King, or s
26 LO231 : I love Sandra Bulock!! But seriously: 1/ UAE 2/ Qatar ( don't laugh, I'm serious) 3/ Israel 4/ Dead Sea 5/ Jordan (Petra) 6/ Beirut, Paris of Middle
27 SlamClick : Mushroom clouds! - signed Zen100
28 Post contains images LO231 : Wrong region, those should be above Washington, London and Warsaw. Regards, LO231
29 NWDC10 : Isreal belongs to the Jews, no one else. I don't want Palestian State in Isreal. Robert NWDC10
30 SFOMEX : I agree with RJ on this, Jerusalem should remain as the capital city of Israel. Yet, Israel should be willing to compensate the Palestinians on this
31 QR332 : No way. What gives Israel the right to make Jerusalem its capital but to send us off to find another city to make our capital, especially since Jerus
32 RJpieces : Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel long before your and my time. It is a fact that East Jerusalem was ignored when the Palestinians/Jordanians
33 Falcon84 : Thank you for proving my point, gentlemen. It should belong to NEITHER. It should be the Open City, the City of God, capital to no nation, but Capita
34 RJpieces : Using that logic, you could say "Israel should let all Palestinian refugees return" that way it won't be a problem anymore. Frankly, your plan for Je
35 NWDC10 : I can't believe you people. Isreal does NOT belong to anyone else but the Jews period. Get this straight people. Robert NWDC10
36 Pope : How does anyone propose to deal with the "Dome on the Rock" / Great Temple problem? From what I understand, Jewish theology calls for the rebuilding o
37 RJpieces : I believe this is correct. A few years back a group of extremist Jews tried to blow up the Dome but it was foiled. But it's important to remember tha
38 Emirates773ER : Are you serious? God will have to come down to earth for me to accept that statement.
39 NWDC10 : I GAURANTEE you, you will soon see Him. You have no clue what you talk about? Who was the ONLY ONE that was crucified on the cross? Jesus christ. No
40 Emirates773ER : Jesus for me is a Prophet not God.
41 SFOMEX : If I recall correctly, Mr. Barak offered Mr. Arafat East Jerusalem and the Muslim and Christian Quarters of the old city during the peace talks at th
42 NWDC10 : Do you know what the word "Emanuel" means my friend? Robert NWDC10
43 Slider : There will not be peace in the Middle East until one party wins and one party is defeated. Period. Sorry to be so cynical, but this whole kumbaya scen
44 Post contains images FXramper : Currently, I am taking a Middle East Policy class at school: Problems in Palestine. It's entirely to fascinating. So much I've learned from the class
45 QR332 : I am not talking about the Israel of 2000+ years ago, I am talking about today. Jerusalem has been an Aarb-controlled city for hundreds of years, and
46 JJJ : Funny you say first Israel belongs to Jews and then this. Jews are not exactly fond of Jesus Christ, my friend.
47 Falcon84 : Uh huh, ask her what that little intifadah was after he threw away a chance for peace. She's nuts. NWADC10, stop your preaching. Not everyone is a Ch
48 RJpieces : Very interesting that you mention this. I was reading about this topic not too long ago and have come to agree with it. You can't force artificial pa
49 Post contains links Piercey : *sigh* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Aviv#History
50 Raffik : For Israel to allow back the hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees stuck in a state of limbo in Lebanon who want to return home.
51 RJpieces : Your governments want these people to stay to use as pawns. Few Arabs truly want the Palestinian refugee crisis solved because they would no longer b
52 AGM100 : Everything you need to know about why peace will be very hard to achieve is spelled out in this thread. Amazing microcosm of all the issues are plain
53 Post contains images SFOMEX : Off topic, but I need to express my grievance over these holy places. During my vacation in Jerusalem I visited both, the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqs
54 Raffik : Hmm - nice thought, a potential, no, definite impossiblity however. Israel doesn't want them to return, not to mention it would be logistically extre
55 RJpieces : Why not? The Palestinians can not and should not be reliant on Israel. I don't see why they can't return to a future Palestinian state other than the
56 Mir : I wouldn't mind seeing Jerusalem as it's own city-state. It would have it's own government, be open to Israelis and Palestinians both, and I think it
57 RJpieces : Falcon and Mir, you are both ignoring that the Arabs have rejected sharing the land multiple times, often leading to bloodshed. The British decided on
58 Post contains images Mir : And boy, do those British have a fine tradition of skillfully partitioning landmasses. Iraq, Africa, you name it - they've partitioned it perfectly.
59 Post contains links AGM100 : On a radio program the other day thier was a guy on talking about the Palestine border issue. His position (pro Israel) was that the Jordanians ended
60 RJpieces : Was he talking about the plans for the West Bank pullout or historically? Historical Palestine, as your link shows, was what is today Israel, the Wes
61 Post contains images AGM100 : So it still comes down to the blood feud of Ishmael and Issac..
62 FXramper : She was trying to feed us some bullshit about how Arafat wanted peace, yet he allowed the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) under
63 Post contains images EDKA : This is probably one of the best (if not the best) Middle East related thread that i have seen on this board, well done Falcon for starting it and for
64 FOMEA : You are wrong.There is Not one government Official or Political party in Lebanon that wants Palestians to stay. They all demand Their returns. Unless
65 Bobster2 : What do I want to see? Disarm the Arabs. Disarm Israel. Put them on separate reservations. Let them run casinos. If they would rather be dead, nuke 'e
66 AirxLiban : Reese, the blatant arrogance of your postings is quite offensive. First of all Raffik is talking about Palestinians in Lebanon and you suggest scorn
67 RJpieces : No offense meant. Let me clarify then. Arab authoritarian governments, such as Egypt and Syria, have no desire to see the Palestinian crisis end. Of
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