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Freedom Tower Design Revealed  
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

I do say that I like it.

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Architects in New York unveil new Freedom Tower

By Mark Egan and Joan Gralla 38 minutes ago

NEW YORK (Reuters) - The redesigned Freedom Tower at Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan, planned to become America's tallest building, will be a monolithic glass structure reflecting the sky and topped by a sculpted antenna, the architects said on Wednesday.
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Symbolic of the Declaration of Independence, the reworked 1,776-foot (541-meter) centerpiece of the World Trade Center site unveiled by architect David Childs will have a 186-foot tall (57 meter) base sheathed with rolled, heat-treated glass over concrete...














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Your thoughts?


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User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

I wonder what strengthening measures they will put in place to help it withstand an aircraft strike.

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Just what makes it symbolic of the Declaration of Independence? The fact that it's shaped like a fancy pen?

Whatever...



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 1):
I wonder what strengthening measures they will put in place to help it withstand an aircraft strike.

I don't think any building will be able to withstand an aircraft strike like we saw on 9/11. However, the article describes numerous measures taken to protect it form a truck bomb or other similar attacks.



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User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

I like it, but I too fear that it will be a terrorist magnet. Unfortunately, that's just what the bastards want is fear.

As for making it withstand an aircraft strike, I don't think any structure 1,776 feet tall could withstand it. It would be another 9/11.

All negativity aside, I can't wait to see new life at ground zero.

Drew



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Looks pretty good, but how mnay times has the design been changed already?

A few IIRC.....

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 4):
All negativity aside, I can't wait to see new life at ground zero.

Same here  Smile


Lee

[Edited 2006-06-29 00:01:31]


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 2):


Just what makes it symbolic of the Declaration of Independence? The fact that it's shaped like a fancy pen?



Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
1,776-foot

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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

I think it's a great design... I work across the street from the site and watch the construction/process daily (I'll post some pics here eventually). I think it'll be a really beautiful tower, and I'm glad they finally got their act together. #7 WTC, which opened last month, is also great.


My only wish: They build a second identical "Freedom Tower" next door....



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User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

Quoting Redngold (Reply 2):
Just what makes it symbolic of the Declaration of Independence? The fact that it's shaped like a fancy pen?

They're referring to the height of the building. 1,776.



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8697 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

I like it as well. The grandiose thing about the Twin Towers was their almost boring regularity, I've always hoped someone would try and continue that in some kind of way - seems like they did!  thumbsup 


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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1643 times:

Ohhhh big deal, 1,776 ft. Most people aren't going to look at the tower and say, "it's 1776 ft. so it reminds me of the Declaration of Independence." That is fluff reporting.

Who wants to bet the fire standards will be a lot higher?

Sorry to be such a skeptical sourpuss today, but flag-waving in the form of hyped-up architecture is still flag-waving.



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User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21529 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

Looks great. But they've got to build two of them.

Though I can't say I'm fond of that contraption on top before the spire starts. That wasn't there in the last version.

-Mir



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

I'm sorry, but I'm one of those bastards that thinks they should have rebuilt the towers as close to the same as they were. This "freedom tower" crap makes me want to  vomit 

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

I miss the the twin towers very much in the NYC skyline, but I think this tower looks really good.

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1609 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 12):
I'm sorry, but I'm one of those bastards that thinks they should have rebuilt the towers as close to the same as they were. This "freedom tower" crap makes me want to

Ditto.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

What will freedom tower be used for once built...I mean what offices will be inside?


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User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1576 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 15):
What will freedom tower be used for once built...I mean what offices will be inside?

they currently have zero tenants signed up.

for 7WTC they only recently leased some 15% to a tenant and that will bring the occupancy rate of that building up so the mid 20s.

not a big rush to fill the buildings down there.


User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

I think the operative word here is monolithic. At least Childs did away with the previous design's "concrete bunker" look in favor of something that appears more inviting and less paranoid and defensive.

Nonetheless, IMHO, it's still a very bland structure dressed up in a lot of overhyped patriotism. OTOH, it could work as a metaphor for the war on terror.

Charles, SJ



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3296 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

1,776 feet WITH the 186 ft. antenna, or without?


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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1540 times:



Looks good there.

To be fair, the original twin towers were ugly as sin. If no one's going to actually have offices in the place, why not just make a memorial?


User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

I'm looking forward to Windows on the World 2.0 - so many memories, especially during the WOTW Wine Tasting course.

I'm really happy the new design is evocative of the original WTC, and I agree that it would be great if there were two of them.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 3):
I don't think any building will be able to withstand an aircraft strike like we saw on 9/11. However, the article describes numerous measures taken to protect it form a truck bomb or other similar attacks.

You're right. But Steel Reinforced concrete will take much longer to fail then plain steel will. Combine this with wider fire escapes and the chances of evacuating a building are much higher. So while design plays an important role, the role of materials and techniques used to construct the building are equally important


User currently offlineAndrewUber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 41
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 18):
1,776 feet WITH the 186 ft. antenna, or without?

Most likely the 1776 foot height includes the antenna. They usually count it as part of the structure.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

One of the most important reasons for the '1,776' feet isn't so much the connections as to the founding of the USA, but rather the need for a TV and radio tower as high or higher than were on the former WTC due for proper reception for all areas of the NYC TV/Radio market.
I am concerned at with the need for ground level security set backs, which is why the plans had to be modified, that it won't look as nice at the ground level as at higher levels. The large glass area is nicer than the WTC and will still be a strong symbol for NY City.


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

I think it is a great design fit for a city like New York. If I was a resident I would visit the construction site each week to keep tabs on their progress.
From the renderings this building looks to be perhaps the most secure and protective office tower in the world once complete.

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25 NoUFO : Am I the only one who dislikes the "pin"?
26 Legoguy : Sorry for the stupid question, but which is taller? The old WTC buildings or the new Freedom Tower? What is the height difference?
27 Braybuddy : Looks very smart and distinctive. If New York wants to reclaim its very distinctive skyline it will need something like this to do so. When you see th
28 ANCFlyer : I like it . . . I'd prefer TWO of them . . . for nostalgia's sake, but I like it.
29 Post contains images CPDC10-30 : That is a bit of a misconception. The Petronas towers for example would have most likely have at least partially survived. They are almost pure concr
30 NoUFO : Why not as long as it's structure is made of concrete? This really is one ugly antenna ...
31 Cedarjet : Oh dear. In what way do you mean, "withdstand"? I think the WTC did as well as you could expect from any building. I mean, if you flew a 767 into the
32 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Boo Frackin' Hoo. Pot Kettle Black perhaps? The good thing is, Cedarjet, you don't ever have to visit the place or look at it or anything . . . isn't
33 Post contains images Leezyjet : Seems to me that this is all going ahead as a "look at the size of my d!ck" project. They have not even got anyone remotely interested in occupying th
34 Jaysit : Less iconic than the twin towers, but I suspect we will all grow to like it. In any case, lower Manhattan needs something to replace the WTC towers -
35 TWFirst : The new tower is taller due to the antenna. Hilarious, considering where you're from. Not saying you don't have a point, but guess what the genesis w
36 Post contains images NoUFO : With "pin" I meant the antenna, not the building itself, although the building is a bit too tall and thus, in my opinion, does not really blend well
37 TWFirst : But that's the whole purpose... it's NOT supposed to blend in. The former Towers didn't blend in either. It's supposed to be a focal point...a landma
38 YooYoo : I thought the building did withstand the aircraft strike. Anyways.... I rather like the new building design.
39 ANITIX87 : I agree, rebuilding the towers as before would have been the ultimate "f**k you" to those who doubt our country. They should not, however, have built
40 TWFirst : No, just in North America.... Towers in Dubai and Asia (Taipai 101 or the new Shanghai one) will still be taller.
41 Post contains images Mir : I know they're not going to build two of them, but they should. Any city can have a tall building. New York had the Twin Towers. They can put all the
42 NoUFO : Well, you may be right, and after all, and in contrast to New Yorkers, I don't need to like the design.
43 TWFirst : Genau!
44 Nancy : It's an ok looking building to me, but it also kind of looks like the world's biggest corn-on-the-cob holder too. The tacky gift shops will probably s
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