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Irish MP: Israel An "Abhorrent And Despicable" Regime  
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Kind of says it all when a "neutral" party make such comments:

"Irish MP: Israel an "abhorrent and despicable" regime
Press Release, Sinn Féin, 30 June 2006

Statement issued by Aengus Ó Snodaigh Sinn Fein member in the Irish parliament and his party's spokesman on international affairs and human rights

Sinn Féin International Affairs and Human Rights spokesperson Aengus Ó Snodaigh TD has described Israel as "one of the most abhorrent and despicable regimes on the planet." Questioning the Minister for Foreign Affairs Dermot Ahern in the Dáil today he said the kidnap by Israel of some 25 democratically elected Palestinian representatives demonstrates "the true nature of Israel's commitment to not so democratic principles."

"He said, "Israel is without doubt one of the most abhorrent and despicable regimes on the planet. According to the UN Secretary General for Political Affairs"

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article4875.shtml


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Thread starter):
Kind of says it all

Says it all? Just exactly what do you think it says?



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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2485 times:

I'd love to have him describe his opinions on legion of Palestinian suicide bombers, especially since their "democratically" elected Palestinian government is the main sponsor of them.

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Thread starter):
has described Israel as "one of the most abhorrent and despicable regimes on the planet."

well, two things come to my mind. First of all, the Irish are well-known as nice and positive but somewhat high-tempered folks. Second, the fiery and emotional and rethorically flamboyant approach may be fascinating, but seldom provides solutions.
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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 2):
I'd love to have him describe his opinions on legion of Palestinian suicide bombers, especially since their "democratically" elected Palestinian government is the main sponsor of them.

suggest, you have a close look at Irish history between 18... and 1924 . And I would suggest you keep a close look at goings on around the crash of the Lusitania in 1916 plus the interesting role and considerations of the Vice Marine Minister Winston Churchill . In that light, you might better understand what goes on there.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Now here is an unbiased, fact laden source, thanks Jacobin.

"The Electronic Intifada (EI) is a not-for-profit, independent publication committed to comprehensive public education on the question of Palestine, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the economic, political, legal, and human dimensions of Israel's 38-year occupation of Palestinian territories. EI provides a needed supplement to mainstream commercial media representations of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict."


And th is is great too:

As well as "Sinn Féin, the only all-Ireland party, is committed to achieving a 32-County democratic socialist republic and the end of British rule in Ireland."


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Ye well do you agree Jacobin?

Some others feel the same way...

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3268864,00.html

Toronto Star reports United Church of Canada's Toronto branch to unveil boycott of Israeli products, companies doing business with its military to end what it calls �illegal occupation of Palestinian lands�; plan calls on Ottawa to require that products originating in the occupied territories be labeled differently from those coming from the rest of Israel

Does this make you happier? Does it make you feel more right? Less alone?

Boaz.



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 2):
I'd love to have him describe his opinions on legion of Palestinian suicide bombers

Really? Well what's your opinion of a country that steals the land and kills the civilians of it's neighbour? You're against suicide bombings but don't have a problem with Israel using war planes and tanks against refugee camps?



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User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 7):
against refugee camps?

Ok ok ok, is Gaza a refugee camp or is it now a city?

Boaz.



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8115 posts, RR: 53
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 8):
Ok ok ok, is Gaza a refugee camp or is it now a city?

So bombing and killing in refugees is frowned upon but cities are fair game? Lucky Israel, perhaps they can take another pop at Beirut as well. They killed 11,000 Lebanese there last time.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Well that was a silly and ignorant comment to make wasn't it (by the Irish M.P.)


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User currently offlineEvomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 499 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

The fact is, the UK or US or France , Germany etc do anything even remotely close to blatant disregard for civilian life like Israel does, they would be (rightly) completely isolated politiclly, economicaly and militarily. Of Course, pointing this out gets you branded as anti-semitic, completely forgetting that Israel is a secular country with a fast growing non-jewish minority.

User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9):

So bombing and killing in refugees is frowned upon but cities are fair game?

Now where did you get this from my post? Did I quote anything containing the bombing of innocent people?

No civilians should die, but in war civilian deaths unfortunately perish. But the Palestinians are the only ones willing to kamikaze its own public to obtain G-d knows what.

Jacobin, more people agree with the Irish guy:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3269498,00.html

Thousands of angry Turks burn Israeli flags, chant pro-Hamas slogans Friday in protest against Israel's offensive in Gaza Strip; in Egypt, thousands rally in one of Egypt's main mosques, many calling on Arab governments to take action to protect Palestinians

You must really feel your case is being handled well, they are now officially burning flags, Israeli this time!

Boaz.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2414 times:

Quoting Evomutant (Reply 11):
Israel is a secular country

well, I would say it is NOT a secular country. To me it is THE "Jewish" country by self-definition. That the Arab-Muslim share of the Israeli population is happily growing and that sizeable towns like Akko are inside "Israel-proper" and are Arab towns in this context is very strange. But encouraging in so far as happily proving that an Arab-Israeli living-together, or at least a peaceful co-existence IS possible

Quoting Windshear (Reply 12):
the Palestinians are the only ones willing to kamikaze its own public

"THE" ? you possibly mean SOME ? not all those who voted Hamas were/are in favour of the extremist approach and most who did, did not really want a Hamas majority but a blow to el-Fatah. a small but very important difference.

Quoting Windshear (Reply 12):
Thousands of angry Turks burn Israeli flags, chant pro-Hamas slogans Friday in protest against Israel's offensive in Gaza Strip


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
not all those who voted Hamas were/are in favour of the extremist approach and most who did, did not really want a Hamas majority but a blow to el-Fatah. a small but very important difference.

They still got what they voted for, yes? If they voted for Hamas, they voted for Hamas. It's sounding like there was some great conspiracy amongst voters to vote only a little for Hamas, but not a lot. How do those things get arranged, pray tell?



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
They still got what they voted for, yes?

no, it is quite apparent that many only "voted for" a bit of a slap against el-Fatah but did NOT get what they wanted. There often is a difference between what people vote and what people want. The so-called protest-vote.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
If they voted for Hamas, they voted for Hamas.

not in that way.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
great conspiracy amongst voters to vote only a little for Hamas, but not a lot. How do those things get arranged, pray tell?

quite to the contrary. Had the voters HAD the chance to conspire about it, Hamas would have got 45% of the seats in parliament, thereby forcing el-Fatah to form a coalition. It is virtually impossible to arrange such things.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 16):
no, it is quite apparent that many only "voted for" a bit of a slap against el-Fatah but did NOT get what they wanted. There often is a difference between what people vote and what people want. The so-called protest-vote.

I hate to break the news to you, but the only protest vote is the vote that's not cast. If the Palestinians voted a Hamas majority, then they voted for a Hamas majority.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
but the only protest vote is the vote that's not cast.

no, in parliamentary elections the only protest vote is the vote that IS cast !


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20640 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
no, in parliamentary elections the only protest vote is the vote that IS cast !

Well then you're going to have to explain that concept to me. I always thought when I put a checkmark next to someone's name it meant I wanted them in office.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2376 times:
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Thread starter):
Kind of says it all when a "neutral" party make such comments:

Neutral? Sinn Fein..neutral? Who are you trying to kid? It's the mouthpiece for a neutered terrorist organization that still calls for ....well take a look at this

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 5):
As well as "Sinn Féin, the only all-Ireland party, is committed to achieving a 32-County democratic socialist republic and the end of British rule in Ireland."

I'd say that sort of says it all.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 7):
Really? Well what's your opinion of a country that steals the land and kills the civilians of it's neighbour?

You mean like all those Arab nations that surrounded Israel in 1947? Or the folks in Southern Lebanon who were showering rockets on Israeli civilians?

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 7):
You're against suicide bombings but don't have a problem with Israel using war planes and tanks against refugee camps

If you're referring to the refugee camp in Lebanon that was bombed it was harboring tanks then perhaps you are not looking at the entire picture.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9):
Lucky Israel, perhaps they can take another pop at Beirut as well. They killed 11,000 Lebanese there last time.

They were responding to the constant killing of Israelis in northern Israel by terror attacks from rockets and mortars. The Lebanese were unable or unwilling to stop it so the Israelis did it for them.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 16):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
If they voted for Hamas, they voted for Hamas.

not in that way

There is only one way to vote. You pull the lever and the side that got the most levers pulled wins. The Palestineans voted for a terrorist organization that distributes food. It'd be like little Italy New York in 1933 voting for the local Godfather because he gets things done for them (while keeping them under his heel).

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 18):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 17):
but the only protest vote is the vote that's not cast.

no, in parliamentary elections the only protest vote is the vote that IS cast !

So..your point is? Did they ask for this trouble or not? When will the Palestineans take responsibility for the fact that they are the root cause of almost all their own troubles. They were thrown out of Jordan and other countries because they caused nothing but trouble, they left their homes in Israel because they decided that the Arabs were coming to kill the Jews and they would be able to return....they chose not to return and claimed that they were forced out and would be massacred if they returned and spent the next 60 years demanding that someone take care of them. They supported terrorists and danced in the streets when their enemies were harmed in any way. Until they realize that they are responsible for their own future and that they aren't going to win a war they will continue to be abused by their own leaders who want nothing more than to ensure their own power bases for whatever reasons they have.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 1):
Says it all? Just exactly what do you think it says?

Its stated in plain vanilla English..there is nothing more to "hidden messages"...the Israeli Govt. are detestable.... checkmark 

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
well, two things come to my mind. First of all, the Irish are well-known as nice and positive but somewhat high-tempered folks. Second, the fiery and emotional and rethorically flamboyant approach may be fascinating, but seldom provides solutions.

true...but one doesn't see too many harsh words regarding the Israeli Govt. by other party representatives..

I have lots of Irish friends...some of the nicest people around... Smile

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 5):
Now here is an unbiased, fact laden source, thanks Jacobin.

You are welcome...maybe some here don't want to hear the truth....I only criticism about other Arab and Muslim Govts...for which A.net is extremely biased towards...

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):

well, I would say it is NOT a secular country. To me it is THE "Jewish" country by self-definition. That the Arab-Muslim share of the Israeli population is happily growing and that sizeable towns like Akko are inside "Israel-proper" and are Arab towns in this context is very strange. But encouraging in so far as happily proving that an Arab-Israeli living-together, or at least a peaceful co-existence IS possible

 checkmark ..it is NOT secular...the Israeli govt. has created as quasi-apartheid state based on ideologies/religion/race..

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
Neutral? Sinn Fein..neutral? Who are you trying to kid? It's the mouthpiece for a neutered terrorist organization that still calls for ....well take a look at this

hence my "neutral" comment...regardless...they are representatives of the Irish Govt...



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
the Israeli Govt. are detestable...

If you say so... it's almost compliment.


User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
Its stated in plain vanilla English..there is nothing more to "hidden messages"...the Israeli Govt. are detestable....

Detestable is a sliding scale. Are Hamas a detestable government when they send people into Israel to blow up busloads of old folks? Was Black September detestable when they murdered athletes at the Olympics. Was the PLO detestable because they seemed to damn them faintly with a "boys will be boys" attitude? Are Hamas a detestable government when their operatives fire rockets at civilians just trying to go about their daily affairs?

They're all detestable for the same fucking reason, my friend. The facts of the matter are that the writ of some MP from Bumfuck, Ireland doesn't run very far on the mean streets of Gaza and what goes on there. It just doesn't command the attention of anyone on the scene.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
have lots of Irish friends...some of the nicest people around...

Yep...used to say that around here too "Me? Some of my best friends are nigrahs".


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14026 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Thread starter):
Statement issued by Aengus Ó Snodaigh Sinn Fein member



Quoting Jacobin777 (Thread starter):
Kind of says it all when a "neutral" party make such comments:

Yes, says it all. Sinn Fein is after all the political wing of the IRA terrorist (now turned Mafia style) organisation, which used to have close ties with Palaestinian and other terrorists from the Middle East (remember the arms and explosives shipment from Ghadaffi, which was found on a freighter in the 1980s?).

Jan


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):

"THE" ? you possibly mean SOME ? not all those who voted Hamas were/are in favour of the extremist approach and most who did, did not really want a Hamas majority but a blow to el-Fatah. a small but very important difference.

I mean THE Palestinians...
How many voted for a "party" that has been acting on a Fatwa made by one of its founders, Sheik Ahmed Yassin?

Have you by any chance seen pictures from the Palestinian areas? Even in East Jerusalem you will see this, posters and placards with coverings of nice and stylish shaheed pics, all with guns and Al Aqsa in the background, really tacky, but I guess if you are mushy enough for the shaheedi concept, it is all in very good taste.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
it is NOT secular...the Israeli govt. has created as quasi-apartheid state based on ideologies/religion/race.



Rubbish! Utter and stinky smelly propaganda'd rubbish!

Boaz.



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25 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..sure..whatever.. .. I'm not going to comment on that.. You might be correct (that's debatable)..when one group has the latest firearms and technolo
26 AeroWesty : And knowing this prior to posting, you still claimed they were a neutral source. That pretty much blows your credibility on this issue.
27 Post contains images Windshear : He he ma habibi, you've tumbled in your own oppinions! Aaaaanyways, what happened to civilian Palestinians in Jordan after they became violent? What
28 L410Turbolet : That's what I was thinking as well. Sinn Fein's ties to terrorist IRA are well documented, therefore it's hardly surpising they have "special place"
29 Post contains images Halls120 : He probably thinks they are glorious freedom fighters. Both sides have blood on their hands. But if Hamas were to recognize Israel, and stop the suic
30 Post contains images Falcon84 : Neutral. The IRA used to TRAIN in the Middle East with these same terrorist, Jacobin. And you want us to really believe they're "neutral". That's rich
31 Post contains images Windshear : This is the most logical conclusion, yes. Boaz.
32 EDKA : i think you are, but i don't go and start threads about it[Edited 2006-06-30 20:41:27]
33 Dougloid : When did fairness have anything to do with survival?
34 Falcon84 : "Fair" to new T.H.I. members like Jacobin is for Israel to willingly let itself get blown to bits, a little at a time, by people with munitions strap
35 Windshear : Unfair to him is when Israel wins, fair is when "the others" win, at least that is how I rate him. Boaz.
36 Falcon84 : So I'm officially re-starting the Terrorist Huggers International. I will not name a "board of directors", or a "Management Team" like I did a few yea
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : wrong..its well documented... I said "right or wrong".... thanks for your valuable input.. "survival", "human rights abuse", "illegal occupation", an
38 AeroWesty : That would be a "cop out".
39 Falcon84 : You didn't answer the query, man. Do you, or do you not want Israel destroyed? Even if it means the deaths of a few million Jews? Be a man, and tell
40 N1120A : Sort of like all those glorious and unbiased sources you use. You know, J-Post and the like. And it looks like the blind crowd that can't get their h
41 Dtwclipper : I don't recall using The Post as a source. I know that "the other side" would see it as being biased. Now, I do use RTE, but that's another story!
42 Post contains images Halls120 : "unofficial truce?" what a joke. It's really very simple. The head of government holds a press conference where he announces the following "we hereby
43 BHMBAGLOCK : Is it just me, or is it a bit odd that Jacobin's signature line is a quote from a jew?
44 Post contains links Dtwclipper : "A Hamas spokesman said the group would never recognise Israel, in spite of a deal its leaders signed this week offering implicit recognition of the
45 N1120A : No, I think that is the point
46 Falcon84 : What are you talking about? What the hell does that mean, or have to do with this subject. Trust me, I'm a center-left liberal, and I definitely want
47 N1120A : Yet you support a state like Israel that is founded on exactly the opposite idea? Israel can't even write itself a constitution because of its religi
48 Windshear : no it is not, care to change my mind? Oh ok I see, sounds rather noble, but if you are hinting towards Israel, what land did they occupy which belong
49 ME AVN FAN : - no, you for instance in Switzerland, where I live, can put a whole list of 30 people, into the box, just to show that you wish them well, while kno
50 Dougloid : Do pigs fly? Of course they do. I'm surprised you asked. Round up the usual suspects.
51 Windshear : So Denmark, which is secular, is then an Atheist country?? No it is not, it is protestant, which most of northern Europe is, but there can still be o
52 N1120A : Try something better than that.
53 ME AVN FAN : First of all, whenever Hamas got a majority, more than 40% did NOT vote for them, a factor which often is forgotten. It therefore at worst is a major
54 AeroWesty : Any nation deserves the leadership their citizens pull the lever for in the voting booth. Period. I do not accept that the Palestinians did not reali
55 ME AVN FAN : I think you approach the problem from a wrong angle. The problem about Hamas to a wide extent is NOT what they DO, the basic problem about them is th
56 ME AVN FAN : I have never been in your country, so that I may err, but to the best of my knowledge, Denmark does NOT identify itself as the homeland of the Scandi
57 ME AVN FAN : secularism does NOT mean atheism, it simply means to have state and religion separated. - and re - **************************************************
58 ME AVN FAN : - the only thing I do NOT is to blame YOU for the lamentable and ill-thought-about voting of the Palestinians in the last elections. What I however m
59 Windshear : What?? Favour as in its judicial system?? Israel IS a secular country, period! Boaz.
60 ME AVN FAN : - no, it is THE Jewish state, and the Jewish homeland, and so clearly a secularist theocracy, or maybe a theocratic secularicy ! whatever, but NOT a
61 AeroWesty : Well you see, I'm just a simple guy. I figure that when I cast a vote, it better be for what I want, or I'm partly responsible if things get screwed.
62 ME AVN FAN : well, well .......... I in the past 3 decades quite often voted in favour of something or somebody in the expectation that it/he/she would NOT win, b
63 Falcon84 : ROTFL. It's not a theocracy at all. It's run by civilians, not rabbi's or other religious figures. And weren't you the one who called Iran a democrac
64 Post contains images Jacobin777 : say what? I was saying "right or wrong" as an argumentative point....even if they are "wrong", they are part of the Govt. and have a voice in terms o
65 Falcon84 : Typical non-response. Which tells me one thing-you do, but you're too chicken to say it out loud. You want Israel removed, destroyed, annihilated. Th
66 TheSorcerer : It's what the Irish MP said, it's just in a Sinn Fein press release, they had nothing to do with the statement So how come a israeli woman married to
67 FlyUSCG : perhaps this is narrowminded or whatever, but who gives a rats a** what Ireland thinks? Unless someone can tell me otherwise, I can't think of any rea
68 RJpieces : Anyone who travels to Israel can easily verify it's a secular country. The notion that Israel is a theocracy is laughable. And yes, Arab-Israeli co-e
69 RJpieces : And btw, out of curiousity, why post the comments of an Irish MP? Is this significant in any way? You would never find an American politician making s
70 Halls120 : And you most likely wasted your vote in every instance. Do you really think for one minute that the candidate you didn't vote for and won thought, "g
71 RJpieces : They did that in Gaza and look what happened. The Palestinians have been on their own for about a year, Palestinian-Palestinian violence has led them
72 Dougloid : Nonsense. It's what they believe, what's in their fundamental founding document or manifesto, what they've been doing ever since they got started. Ha
73 Jacobin777 : since they have come into power, they have certainly toned down their rhetoric..even they know that its impossible to send "Israel to the sea".... bu
74 Halls120 : Isn't that nice - they have "toned down their rhetoric." Big deal. How about renouncing their stated policy of seeking Israel's destruction?
75 RJpieces : Way to not respond to my comment. I write about how the events of the past year show how little the "illegal settlements" actually matter and you res
76 BHMBAGLOCK : If it was just the rhetoric they'd be assholes not terrorists. It's the suicide/homicide bombers, rockets, and mortars that make them the pariahs the
77 ME AVN FAN : I did praise the USA for electing Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, I was shocked about the USA not electing Hubert H Humphrey, I found Messrs Nixon and
78 Falcon84 : Then why not renounce terror and violence, recognize Israel, and give the entire region a chance for a bright future? Or, is that too much for the Ar
79 Post contains images Bravo45 : During the same time in which Israel pulled out 8000-9000 illegal settlers from Gaza, they sent in more than what, 12000 new settlers into the West B
80 ME AVN FAN : - to recognize Israel and get out of violence is and will be the requirement for Hamas. Hamas has been difficult for the Arab World to swallow, as Ha
81 Dougloid : There is no such serious proposal on the table and you know it. If you believe it you believe in the tooth fairy. Show me the revisions to the Hamas
82 L-188 : Wow a member of a political party affiliated with the IRA supporting Hamas.......Birds of a feather I guess
83 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Sure, I'm for Hamas saying that...but Israel must stop its violence also..not to mention end all of its human rights/international law violations....
84 BHMBAGLOCK : You are simply reinforcing the point that Falcon and I are trying to make. Israel gets along quite well with Arabs and Moslems as long as we're talki
85 AerorobNZ : What Israel is doing is abhorrent and despicable, so is what hamas do - therefore they deserve each other. As I've said before, leave them to kill eac
86 EDKA : No problem Let me tell you this... All you ever do is bitch about Israel, you think you know all the rights and wrongs (quite one sided, not surprisi
87 RJpieces : Nice rant...Only one sentence of that whole thing responded to my comment, which was:"What the hell else could have been expected to have taken place
88 Post contains images Jacobin777 : all I do is hear people bitch and complain about Arabs/Muslims and Palestinians (given the amount of threads and responses)... it seems like as if cr
89 BHMBAGLOCK : Certainly not, but if you were really about peace you'd be criticizing Hamas before Israel. Perhaps you have condemned random rocket attacks, recruit
90 Dougloid : I b'lieve you're right. This is proof positive that you need to be real careful what you wish for (or vote for, for that matter) because your guys mi
91 Usnseallt82 : How about nuke it all and start over? That would be far less costly than the slow suicidal attacks that will plague the next 100 years. Let me ask th
92 Braybuddy : No such thing . . . unless you're talking about MP in the UK (or anywhere else there are MPs) who happens to be Irish. Should be "Irish TD".
93 N1120A : No it isn't. It shows its religious identity straight up on its flag, let alone in its stance toward the world. Canada is a secular country. Germany
94 7LBAC111 : Well said. This being the same party who decided to hang Palestinian flags alongside Irish Tricolor flags across large parts of Belfast. A party who
95 NWA742 : Excellent. It's been needed. -NWA742
96 Braybuddy : WHAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT!!!!!!! Since when did Sinn Féin represent or even speak for the Irish Government?
97 Mrmeangenes : Hoo boy ! I can see this is "one of those" threads ! Cedarjet, in case no one has mentioned it yet, Sinn Fein would describe YOUR country that way...
98 Post contains images Jacobin777 : As I said...how about Israel taking the "high road" since they are the "occupiers" and "invaders"..how about them stop talking about peace while cont
99 BHMBAGLOCK : What do you call a unilateral pullout from Gaza? You're actually comparing a real professional and uniformed military unfavorably in comparison to st
100 N1120A : Killing is killing. I think the idea of conscription is abhorent, whether done by a government or by the brainwashing of the desperately poor and dow
101 Usnseallt82 : Unfortunately, it is a necessary evil.
102 N1120A : And that kind of thinking is the reason we are in this quagmire.
103 Usnseallt82 : Your parents are Iranian, correct? Do I need to remind you how important this necessary evil was in order to make this country free enough to allow t
104 N1120A : Don't try to lecture me on the importance of freedom, because you seem to know absolutely nothing about true freedom, because you would never talk ab
105 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Hmm....struck a nerve, huh? The don't you lecture me on how you think killing is just 'killing.' Too many people have had to kill and be killed in or
106 N1120A : You sound like a religious nut.
107 Usnseallt82 : You sould like a spoiled hippie, but has that ever stopped you?
108 BHMBAGLOCK : He hasn't said a word about religion. Still waiting.
109 Braybuddy : This thread is wildly inaccurate in the sense that it seems to be based on the assumption that that a member of the Irish Governmnent has condemned th
110 EDKA : Thanks Braybuddy. I think we are all aware of the true intentions of the threadstarter... He won't...
111 Post contains images Windshear : Ooooh aaaah!! That must be it! ... Nope, I am not afraid of the truth, in fact I am an intense seeker of it. Um well because he is a Palestinian?? Im
112 Post contains links Windshear : UK islamists protest Israel as well: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3269847,00.html British Jihad group declares 'Israel is cancer, Islam i
113 RJpieces : This stuff is tolerated until they aim their wrath at Britain....
114 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Exactly. Unfortunately he hasn't taken the class in logic yet. And the past 1000 years would agree with you. However, our friend Alibaba thinks his y
115 BHMBAGLOCK : Somebody has to do the dirty jobs.
116 Usnseallt82 : You sure as hell know he won't be doing them.
117 Post contains images Windshear : Boaz.
118 ME AVN FAN : he got this "title" due to his fairly active "involvement" in the massacres in Sabra and Shatila. He arranged that the escape-routes were blocked, he
119 Windshear : People have tried to make a case against Sharon in the Hague- The Hague turned the case down... He had a responsibility, but the true butchers were t
120 ME AVN FAN : correct. it in many (democratic) countries would be punishable "by office" which means mandatory without anybody making notice to the police, fulfill
121 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : "A unilateral pullout"... "A unilateral pullout"... that's his monicker which he earned... "an Israeli inquiry into the massacre established by the I
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