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The Official Mexican Presidential Election Thread.  
User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

This Sunday July 2, Mexicans will vote to elect their new president for the next six years. The winner will succeed President Fox who can't run for reelection.

Needless to say, this election is important for Mexico and its inhabitants but it has also an undeniable impact in the rest of the continent. Two main issues among many others:

-The winner will have to deal with the illegal immigration crisis in the USA. A friendly prez to the USA in Los Pinos (Mexican WH) would help to find a partner to stop the traffic of human beings and drugs along our common border.

- If the left wins, the Chavez-Castro-Morales axis of populism will get a new and powerful ally, just at the south of the USA.

Three candidates are running, but only two have a real shot of winning this Sunday:

Felipe Calderon Hinojosa of the conservative PAN. This young, Harvard educated lawyer supports the current economic model: free markets and a business-friendly government. Nonetheless, he wants to go further with the social programs that are helping the poor and the uneducated. He's a social conservative (Catholic), but he has expressed support for sex education at school, reproductive rights (excluding abortion) and the end of any kind of discrimination toward gays and other minorities.

Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador of the leftist PRD. This former mayor of Mexico City is hugely popular in this city and most of the poorest parts of the country (south). He wants to put the poor first, thus changing the economic model. He supports social programs that give monthly stipends to the elders, single mothers and so on. He is famous for the upper levels built in the most important freeways across the city (los segundos pisos). He has a liberal position in social issues, but he has not been clear enough about his position in topics such as abortion and legal gay unions (sociedades de convivencia).

I support Felipe Calderon.

[Edited 2006-07-01 05:22:38]

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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
The winner will succeed President Fox who can't run for reelection.

Why can't he run again? I never understood that. I thought that in Democratic Govn't, or should i say their leaders can run twice or be in power for two terms....?

I am hoping for Calderon myself by the way.



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4360 times:

Those of us old enough to remember the Echeverria and Lopez Portillo years have a very clear idea of who we're going to vote for. It's a shame many of the younger voters have no idea what it was like during those years, and the long way we have come since then.

User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
- If the left wins, the Chavez-Castro-Morales ax of populism will get a new and powerful ally, just at the south of the USA.

Morales is NOT in the same league as Chavez and Castro and López Obrador certainly isn't either. Morales nor López are nor were militars. Morales is not a dictator and López Obrador won't be one, should he win. I wonder why people keep comparing them ??? Is Lula also part of that perceived axis? lol

More political power to the same people that hold economic power (look at the US) doesn't sound good. There must be some kind of balance.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
He wants to put the poor first, thus changing the economic model.

Our "economic model" is a corrupt capitalism. Private gains, public losses (highways, banks, airlines, etc etc etc...). That needs to change.

May the best win.


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 1):
Why can't he run again? I never understood that. I thought that in Democratic Govn't, or should i say their leaders can run twice or be in power for two terms....?

It's a historical thing. Repeated reelection (Porfirio Diaz) caused an unprecedented bloodshed, the Mexican Revolution, in which 10% of the whole population lost their lives.


User currently offlineWiLdmanVzla From Mexico, joined Sep 2000, 616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

Let's see what happens... sunday will be a great day for this country for sure (a big smile for everyone).

*******


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 2):
Those of us old enough to remember the Echeverria and Lopez Portillo years have a very clear idea of who we're going to vote for.

De la Madrid(biggest inflation EVER, different economic model that López Portillo) and specially Salinas were no better. (Except if you are their buddy and can sell you a huge state enterprise or bank for peanuts in a completely corrupt fashion). Under those two governmets the peso lost 1000 times!!! it's value as all of you know. Admitedly Lopez Portillo started all, but good ol' Salinas left Zedillo with a huge package that took the then "new" peso from $3 per dollar to $8 or $9. Aviation enthusiast that we are, know that that crisis put a halt to our airlines from which only today, 10 years later, they seem to be recovering of, along with the rest of the country. Also, the huge narco problems we are deling with today, were not tackled, to say the least, since Salinas.

All this are just historical observations unrelated to the thread. I don't believe any of the runners (save for one) is as low as some of the presidents previously mentioned.

It's not the system. It's HONESTY and ETHICS that matters. Any corrupt system will fail, even capitalism.


User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
If the left wins, the Chavez-Castro-Morales axis of populism will get a new and powerful ally, just at the south of the USA.

You just never know what Mr. Peje will pull out of his butt  

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 2):
It's a shame many of the younger voters have no idea what it was like during those years, and the long way we have come since then.

I might be one of the few exceptions. My parents always told me about how nastily things were run in those years. I'm glad I didn't go through that.

My dad is going to be a Funcionario de Casilla, should be interesting.

Honestly, I think mexico would be better of with another 6 years of PRI crap, than with 6 years of Peje's shit.

By the way, I got my signature from a car bumper sticker I saw in Mexico 

cheers   

[Edited 2006-07-01 05:39:59]

User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

How about we do an a.nut election poll? But please lets keep it civilized. Don't say why you would vote for whomever or bash anybody for saying they're voting for whomever. Just say the name.

I'd vote for Calderon if I could.


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

I am absolutely convinced that we need stability and continuity of the excellent job done by President Fox. My vote will go for Felipe Calderon.

Though I am not currently in the district I am registered to vote, I will certainly be in the airport waaay before 7am to make sure one of the few cards designated for foreign voters go for him.

I am excited and eager to exercise my right once again!!! Democracia, pluralidad y transparencia rocks! Big grin

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks ago) and read 4309 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 6):

It's not the system. It's HONESTY and ETHICS that matters. Any corrupt system will fail, even capitalism.

While corruption can of course be a corrosive influence in any system, the system itself matters a lot. Running a country is a complicated matter and as such is it not just a matter of good intentions and pure feelings(If it was so, running a developed country with little corruption would be a walk in the park). The cause of the crisis of 94 was not that Salinas was a corrupt sleazeball, but because of mistakes in policy.

The re-election matter is ridiculous at this point, it is the same case with the re-election members of congress and legislature, we should be able to re-elect somebody if we think they are doing a good job, it would make some congresspeople actually care about their job. Of course it is also a sad truth that in many rural places where the winds of change have not yet blown, this could breed de-facto mini dictatorships at the hands of certain people, but that would be solely the responsibility of the people living under such a dictatorship to change things, and modern institutions do give that chance I think.

There's a lot of changes that need to be made in order to make things run better in this country and whoever wins is gonna need to be a very good negotiator to make things happen, given the fragmented legislature and tight budget he will receive.

Personally, the thought of 6 years of Peje makes me want to vomit, while Calderon is not perfect, I think he has the right idea, and most important for me, he seems to be capable of bringing people together to bring about much needed reform, and is not as a divisive figure as Peje(his religious like following is quite scary, they see no fault in their god), or an unscrupulous backstabbing weasel like Madrazo.

My vote is for Calderon.


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting JoseMEX (Reply 2):
Those of us old enough to remember the Echeverria and Lopez Portillo years have a very clear idea of who we're going to vote for.

 checkmark  I am not old enough to remember "la docena trágica" but I know the disaster provoked by these two populists. In fact, a good number of relatives immigrated to the USA during their administrations.

Quoting AM744 (Reply 3):
Morales is NOT in the same league as Chavez and Castro and López Obrador certainly isn't either.

Lopez and Morales have the same ideas about the economy than Chavez. They want to "help" the poor even if their politics sink their countries. Just look at Venezuela my friend!

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 7):
Honestly, I think mexico would be better of with another 6 years of PRI crap, than with 6 years of Peje's shit.

Though call! In my view, PRI and PRD are two faces of the same crap: corruption, populism and son on...

Quoting FLY2HMO (Reply 8):
How about we do an a.nut election poll?

 yes  So far the results are:

Calderon:6
SFOMEX
Captaink
Josemex
FLY2HMO
Fly727
SR117

Peje:1
AM744

Every A.netter can vote, so keep posting yours.


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Quoting SR117 (Reply 10):
as Peje(his religious like following is quite scary, they see no fault in their god

I thought he was a Catholic. Someone please confirm.

Vamos a ganar!

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineLatinplane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2709 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 11):
Calderon:6
SFOMEX
Josemex
FLY2HMO
Fly727
SR117

Peje:1
AM744

Vamos a ganar!

This would be the ideal situation if the majority of the Mexican populace had had good access to education and were able to analyze things from an educated level. Most, if not all of you, were sent to good schools by your parents, and therefore have somewhat of a regular stability and the capacity to analyze what is the best path for the country to take. Yet the sad truth is that this is not the case with the majority of the population and the reason why Lopez Obrador can easily be the winner because he is directly speaking to all of those people who have been left out by the system. Since everyone else brags about doing it, but conveniently forgets to do anything when it comes down to getting their hands dirty!

I don't think he's as bad as he has been made out to be. In my point of view he has many good ideas, but, unfortunately he has a lot of bad ones too, yet he has the backing of his people, something that I have not noticed as much from the rest of the candidates. The guy has POWER!, but what I just don't see him capable of doing is being able to speak in good terms with congress, which is going to leave the country in a never ending standstill. If Fox, wasn't able to do it, there's no way in hell that Obrador will able to do either. He's just way too confrontational (in bad way) and the senators are just too politically oriented to their own benefit to find common ground to make the right decision that are needed to move the country forward.

Quoting SR117 (Reply 10):
While Calderon is not perfect, I think he has the right idea, and most important for me, he seems to be capable of bringing people together to bring about much needed reform, and is not as a divisive figure as Peje(his religious like following is quite scary, they see no fault in their god), or an unscrupulous backstabbing weasel like Madrazo

I couldn't have said it better! Come on people, sometimes we are our worst enemies! I just don't understand how a country as rich as Mexico can sometimes get into a destructive mindset that isn't letting the country move forward! You need to work together folks!

I also like you good comparison about Madrazo and an animal figure. In fact, there's a lot of animals in that party. Starting with this fat elephant:



I don't know what it is about her, but I can't stand her. She annoys the hell out of me when she gives her speeches. She talks so much, but in the end she doesn't say anything useful. She's typical material of the old Mexican political system which likes to say A LOT and do NOTHING! "Cantinflones" AND THEN...she puts on these typical Mexican outfits sometimes just to make a point that she's so proud of her "Mexican" heritage! It's so tacky! Who the hell does she think she is, the Mexican Queen Amidala?

Wishing that everything goes well, and that the best choice is made

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

Quoting Latinplane (Reply 13):
Starting with this fat elephant:

You are not going to believe it but she could have been my mother. My dad dated her a loooooong time ago!

Thanks God he married a gorgeous hot AeroMexico Flight Attendant, hence my incredible looks!

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13005 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador of the leftist PRD. This former mayor of Mexico City is hugely popular in this city and most of the poorest parts of the country (south). He wants to put the poor first, thus changing the economic model

This man was re-elected with 80% of the vote for Mayor of Mexico City. He continued to live in his modest apartment instead of living with the rich in gated neighborhood. He apparently made major efforts against corruption in his term as Mayor. Something has to be done to help the poorest in Mexico, so they can be employed with decent pay so that can reduce their needs to going to the USA. That may be the best way to deal with the immigration problem in the USA. If he wins, I hope he can deliver, although he may have a lot of problems getting past the business leaders that really rule the country.


User currently offlineTheredbaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2188 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4242 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):
This man was re-elected with 80% of the vote for Mayor of Mexico City. He continued to live in his modest apartment instead of living with the rich in gated neighborhood. He apparently made major efforts against corruption in his term as Mayor. Something has to be done to help the poorest in Mexico, so they can be employed with decent pay so that can reduce their needs to going to the USA. That may be the best way to deal with the immigration problem in the USA. If he wins, I hope he can deliver, although he may have a lot of problems getting past the business leaders that really rule the country.

I will vote for Calderon for WAY TOO MANY REASONS but since ths previous post is so full of miss information I will address it and you will see why Ill vote for Calderon.


The man was not reelected (reelection is forbidden in Mexico)
Lopez Obrador won the 2000 election by mere 3.9% of the vote, and a lot of the PRD party campaign was financed with illegal funds.
He liven in his moddest appartment and then he changed to another appartment in a nearby building where he had 2 appartments in adjacent floors so... modest does not apply. His sons are in foreign Universities and he pecieves a salary of just over $10700 USD$ a month
He said we would reduce the expenses of big salaries but he did not reduce his salary not his closest workers and frinds, by way of example Nicolas Mollinedo his Driver "chaffeur" earns US 6600 USD$ a Month !!! and just last week bought a spanking new Mustang Cobra for USD 44000...not bad for a driver dont ya think?
Corruption in Mexico city is even worse than before, thousands of illegal (pirate) taxis roam the city without any control, his 2 closest aides rene Bejarano was coaugh on tape and aired nationally recieving a payment of over 100 K Dollars for bribes and campaign "money" , his treasury secretary was taped at the Bellagio in LAS playing in the VIP "whale" area also aired nationally.....
Millions of pesos have disappeared in his public contracts and also a lot of contracts have been awarded to friends, allies and ghost companies.

If this thief wins, Mexico will suffer YET another economic collapse and believe me if you think Migration is a problem now, you aint seen nothin´ yet

CALDERON WILL WIN



The best seat in a Plane is the Jumpseat.
User currently offlineFLY2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4225 times:

One thing that really bothers me is that a lot of people in the US support Peje. And some news agencies, specially AP, glorify Peje. Why the f**k is this I dunno. Somehow Peje's "darkside" doesn't seem to show itself overseas, or to uneducated people.

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 16):
If this thief wins, Mexico will suffer YET another economic collapse and believe me if you think Migration is a problem now, you aint seen nothin´ yet

You can say that again....

He's not going to win, I hope  Yeah sure  crossfingers   covereyes 


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

You know what I'd like to see? The only thing that really matters:

El tan cacareado "Estado de Derecho". (Respect for the law)

Problem with our economy is that breaking the law ranges from extremely profitable (if you're in the upper percentile of the social scale and have ties with the government or big groups) to cheap (if you're an ambulante, taxista pirata or taquero pastorero). Being an honest citizen that actually produces something is extremely expensive.

Here's one for you clasemedieros:
We provided 52% of the whole ISR income. Enterprises, whether big or small accounted for the rest. That's completely abnormal. Yet another example of the crushing of the middle class. The one that really matters, those that actually produce. Bottom line is, in Mexico, if you do your homework you only get more. You are actually penalized for doing your job!!! No problem if you're El Divino, Lankenau or Jefe Diego nor if you're narco, kindnapper or illegal taxi driver. Extremely unfair and disheatening for the hard working citizen.

Well, there's my wishlist.

P.D. Only 12% of the PEA (Economically active population) pays taxes. (Me being one of them, and I'm sure most of you too). I'd like high bureacrats, ambulantes, etc.. payed as well... That would be it.

P.D.2. During Fox, high bureacracy (>$50,000 MXP per month, a slap in the face to most Mexicans, even professionals ) grew 62%, as if the government did a great job and we needed more administrators, that in fact, produce nothing. Do we really need a "Director de Contenidos de Internet" (Webmaster that is) in Comision Nacional del Agua? NOT.


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2569 posts, RR: 31
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 3):

Morales is NOT in the same league as Chavez and Castro and L�pez Obrador certainly isn't either. Morales nor L�pez are nor were militars. Morales is not a dictator and L�pez Obrador won't be one, should he win. I wonder why people keep comparing them ??? Is Lula also part of that perceived axis? lol

LOL at you for being so naive. When Chavez first ran for election in 1998, everyone here was tired of the same politicians that had ruled the country since 1959, so they saw Chavez as someone who could bring hope in a country plaged with corruption and poverty. Chavez won because he got strong support from the middle class who were tired of living under constant devaluation, inflation, corruption, crime and bureocracy. He never mentioned that he wanted to establish Socialism in the country. But 7 years later after he was consolidated in power, overtook control of every branch of goverment (Supreme Court, Electoral Council, Congress, Attourney's Office), he said he was going to follow Cuba's model and put Venezuela in the path toward the "21st century socialism". So my advice to you and others who are going to vote for AMLO is: "Mejor malo conocido que bueno por conocer".

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 11):

Lopez and Morales have the same ideas about the economy than Chavez. They want to "help" the poor even if their politics sink their countries. Just look at Venezuela my friend!

Exactly, look at my country. Thanks to Chavez's policy my family has had to emigrate and guess where to? Mexico! Yes... my family is living in Mexico. Living in Venezuela nowdays is a complete nightmare, you never know if you will return home at night after a day of work, because kidnappings, robberies and murders are growing at a rate faster than Colombia!. We have more dead each week here in Venezuela than the dead in Iraq! How can that be possible? It's simple... poverty levels are astronomical, something we had never seen and the people running the goverment (police forces) are thugs and criminals freed from jail thanks to almight Chavez.

Vamos Calderon! Por un Mexico prospero, estable y en constante crecimiento!

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4216 times:

If I was Mexican and eligible to vote, I'd gladly choose Felipe Calderón over López Obrador. The last thing Mexico needs is a populist who can be seen as a potential supporter for Hugo Chávez. Mexico needs a leader who can keep stability and continue cooperation with other Latin American countries and the United States.

Let's hope this winning streak of common sense will continue. First, Alan García won over populist Ollanta Humala in Peru, and now Mexico needs to defeat their own populist candidate (and potential Chávez supporter).

Calderón Presidente!


User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4207 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 19):
LOL at you for being so naive. When Chavez first ran for election in 1998, everyone here was tired of the same politicians that had ruled the country since 1959, so they saw Chavez as someone who could bring hope in a country plaged with corruption and poverty.

Last militar president in Mexico ruled in the 50's. Sorry, but we are not Venezuela and it shows. López Obrador is not a militar, no comparison point whatsoever. And I'm not a leftie. I just don't buy the s**t that is repeated over and over again by the media. PG is NOT Chavez... don't believe the BS you see in TV. With all due respect, read some history from credible sources.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
Mexico needs a leader who can keep stability and continue cooperation with other Latin American countries and the United States.

You mean like the president that discredited our previously prestiged Diplomatic Service screwing our foreing relations with everyone in Latin America, including Nestor Kirchner?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
If I was Mexican and eligible to vote, I'd gladly choose Felipe Calderón over López Obrador. The last thing Mexico needs is a populist who can be seen as a potential supporter for Hugo Chávez.

That is a far-fetched conspiration theory. If anything Hugo Chavez would support Lopez Obrador, not the other way around, should it be of any use to him. I personally don't like Chavez, and I also don't think López Obrador is like him, if you check their "resumes" there are fundamental differences. The man is a democrat, please don't compare him with the South American dictator. We have been through that, 100 years ago... We are well past that point.

I was born and raised in Mexico City. My family has lived here for generations (more than five that is) and I tell you, give me López Obrador over Oscar Espinoza Villareal anyday. You know who is him don't you? Thought so. Peje is no angel, nor Calderon, it's just that he's been demonized and intelligent and educated people are buying it, no questions asked. The media being the 4th power is a gross understatement in this case.

May the best win. Wheter Peje or Calderón win we will be fine... I'm convinced of that.


User currently offlineFly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1789 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4206 times:

Quoting AM744 (Reply 18):
Here's one for you clasemedieros:

With all due respect, as I'm sure you meant it this "clasemediero" will have a better quality of life if Peje wins...








...because I'd be moving to San Antonio. See you in six years.

RM  Smile



There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
User currently offlineAM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 16):
He said we would reduce the expenses of big salaries but he did not reduce his salary not his closest workers and frinds, by way of example Nicolas Mollinedo his Driver "chaffeur" earns US 6600 USD$ a Month !!! and just last week bought a spanking new Mustang Cobra for USD 44000...not bad for a driver dont ya think?

Bad enough, but Calderon has inlaws doing big bucks via government contracts, he lend himself money while directing Banobras. Fox has a wife and step-sons who are now new millionaires. Nice FAMILY bussiness. A Mustang Cobra is peanuts compared to the properties handed over by Fobraproa to the Bibriescas, just to name an example. Yes, corruption is by no means exclusive of any political group. Let's apply the same measure to all, shall we? We need to get rid of that, ANY color it happens to be.

Don't take me wrong guys, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4200 times:

An interesting fact about Lopez Obrador (el Peje). It seems that Mr. Obrador does not have a valid passport! In fact, many sources inform that he has never traveled outside Mexico, although other sources affirm that he went to Cuba for his honeymoon. In any case, he never left the country during the last six years he was Mayor of Mexico City.

Of course, plenty of Mexicans are in a similar situation and it's nothing wrong with never going outside your nation, not even for leisure. Yet, I find odd that somebody running for president has never been interested in knowing other places, cultures and people.

The closest case I could think of is in America, where it's been said that the most conservative Republican congressmen pride themselves in the fact they don't have a passport.


25 SFOMEX : Rather you are playing PEJE's advocate here... LOL. Cheers!
26 Ghost77 : Another interesting fact is that his true name is Manuel Andrés López Obrador - MALO. He changed it. Another interesting fact.. he has killed two p
27 Post contains images KLM685 : First of all, great topic for Mexicans, a great way to know each other's opinions and respect everyone's choices for elections tomorrow. Tomorrow is n
28 Post contains images LTU932 : Is that why he changed his name, just because of the initials? Whom do you mean? The fact you went through a dictatorship 100 years ago (if that's wh
29 Post contains images Fly727 : What a very special day! I feel proud and happy for the great participation in the process... It's just past 10am, already voted (second in line) and
30 KLM685 : I know, I totally feel the same! I was up at 7:50, walked half a block and got in line. I was as well one of the first 10 to vote! Whan an amazing an
31 Luisde8cd : With all due respect, I still think you are very naive. We can agree that right now we don't know if he will become EXACTLY a Chavez II, but is it wo
32 Post contains images SFOMEX : Last results! Calderon:12 SFOMEX Captaink Josemex FLY2HMO Fly727 SR117 Latinplane Theredbaron Luisde8cd LTU932 Ghost77 KLM685 Peje:2 AM744 LTBEWR It l
33 Luisde8cd : Yeah, have him hit the middle class so that they will have to flee the country and close their businesses, thus poor mexicans losing jobs.... that wi
34 AM744 : It is a highly respectful adjective. I am one. Most of us here in a.net are. We PRODUCE and pay taxes. I love capitalism, I just don't like family bu
35 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Thats exactly what Fox said right before 2000 elections. That phrase always comes to mind when I hear people bitching about Fox's administration. Am
36 Ghost77 : Nope! I also remember this, more over, Zedillo said it recently in its multiple conferences... you can't change Mexico in only 06 years... thus Fox w
37 Post contains images Fly727 : Any good, reliable on-line source of info? Please do not put El Norte or Reforma, as I don't have a subscription! RM
38 Post contains links SFOMEX : www.eluniversal.com.mx www.cronica.com.mx Now, I'm trying to find sources with inside info about the exit polls. It's a fact that the tv networks wil
39 Post contains links FLY2HMO : I don't think exit polls are to reliable. But the IFE website says they won't release anything until after 2300 Mex time. They are obviously the only
40 LTU932 : You know Luis, that's exactly what my mother thought when here in Costa Rica, she voted for Oscar Arias instead of the populist Ottón Solís. Bottom
41 Halls120 : Were those efforts successful? According to the following post, apparently not. Well, of course they do. The press can always be counted on to swoon
42 Post contains images Latinplane : This is amazing folks! Everyone is reporting that all expectations of voter turnover will be greatly surpased. It is now for sure expected that more t
43 Post contains images Latinplane : Geez, your mom must fully agree with my statements. LatinPlane
44 SFOMEX : Too close to call!!!!! TV network's exit polls can't define who wins this election. A long, long night ahead of us.
45 Post contains links SFOMEX : A good link to follow the election: www.eluniversal.com.mx (Spanish) We'll have to wait three more hours to get an official result from the IFE.
46 Post contains images FLY2HMO : I can't get into IFE's website, looks like its down at this moment. We will surely have a night full of suspense!!!
47 Post contains links SFOMEX : Try one of the mirrors! www.eluniversal.com.mx www.reforma.com www.milenio.com Look for the links to the PREP.
48 Post contains links Ghost77 : Try THIS!!! http://elecciones.reforma.com/prep2006/default.htm So far so good... it's looking good!!! ghooost77 APM
49 Post contains links and images MD11junkie : First of all, KLM685, great post. I salute you, and it's great to share chats with you. If I were Mexican, I'd surely vote for Calderón. But the only
50 KLM685 : Great news mijo! Everyone in my house is so tense right now. No one actually knows what to think Reforma, gives it to Calderón Televisa, no comments
51 Edelag : My house is also like that. Let's just see whom is the best man the people of Mexico think is best for Mexico. If I could vote I would have voted for
52 Post contains links and images Fly727 : Reforma as all the other media authorized by IFE on its website through the Programa de Resultados Electorales Preliminares is only relaying the info
53 KLM685 : Yes I agree, that's why I made the comment, sorry not for clarifying. What I meant was that Reforma's poll showing IFE's result is very different fro
54 Post contains links SFOMEX : www.cronica.com.mx Very good news!!!! Check it out.
55 NWA742 : Even though it's late, I'll put in a vote for Calderon, considering the above description. -NWA742[Edited 2006-07-03 05:15:53]
56 Ghost77 : Fu*k!!! Check out Reforma... IT AIN'T LOOKING GOOD!!! ghooost77 APM
57 Post contains links JoseMEX : Look at 4 different poll results here: http://www.eleconomista.com.mx/
58 LTU932 : Oh no, Calderón's lead has been shrinking by almost 2 points. It does not look good at all!
59 Post contains images Latinplane : I think they'll ask for two more hours. Although, initial IFE reports state that Calderon is winning by almost 3 percentage points, the race is too cl
60 FLY2HMO : The conteo rapido results will be out in a few minutes!!! Less than 20% of the ballots have been counted so far, so there still is hope!
61 SR117 : It really hasn't shrunk, it's been around 3ish or so points the entire time. The positive thing I see in this is that there IS a lead at least and it
62 KLM685 : Damn! I hate the music pre Luis Carlos Ugalde... It makes it look as it is all happy and without stress! I don't know why he's repeating the same thin
63 LTU932 : It's official: Due to the very close gap between the two, it's too close to call.
64 FLY2HMO : Latest news: results are so close they are within the margin of error and therefore not reliable!
65 JoseMEX : Sh*t!!!!! Too close to call!!!!!! No results until next week!!!!! Wonder what the stock market's reaction will be.[Edited 2006-07-03 06:07:01]
66 Post contains images FLY2HMO : OMG I can't wait till wednesday!!! I'm going to have to visit a shrink!!! I can't take so much suspense!!
67 SR117 : Well we may not have an official result. But the preliminary booth by booth results should yield a clear result before that official result, at least
68 Latinplane : OMG! This is bad news. This was the least expected choice that analyst had expected. No official news until Wednesday. LatinPlane
69 Post contains images Fly727 : Thanks for the link. As long as the trend and lead on the official numbers doesn't change.... Sad day for us who voted for Dr. Simi though. RM
70 SFOMEX : My goodness, I saw this movie before!!!! USA 2000 presidential election anyone? We will have to wait until this Wednesday!!!!
71 Post contains images Fly727 : Where is Mario Aburto when you need him the most! Darn! RM
72 Post contains images JoseMEX : So, folks, let's get ready for all the demonstrations, "plantones", etc. AMLO's buddies will very likely be organizing.
73 JoseMEX : THIS GUY'S AN *SSHOLE!!!!! WHAT WE WERE ALL EXPECTING!!!! HE'S SAYING HE WON!!!! THIS IS TERRIBLE!!!! HE'S ACTUALLY SAYING HE WON!!!!! OMG!!!!!!![Edit
74 Post contains images FLY2HMO : They are already from what I've been told. I heard Peje is going to the Zocalo and he's saying he's 50000 votes in the lead. I hope it wont get ugly.
75 Latinplane : Why is AMLO stating that according to his numbers he is winning by almost 500,000 ahead, when clearly IFE is stating that only their numbers are offic
76 SR117 : Well apparently it's not quite as difficult... While the official result shall be presented until Wednesday because it is when they will physically re
77 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Because he's a fucking idiot.
78 Luisde8cd : AMLO is live on TV saying that according to his results, he won the presidency by AT LEAST 500.000 votes. Crap and Crap... IFE's the only one with off
79 KLM685 : LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just don't get it, the IFE president just said no one can declare themselves winners, and the first thing Lopez OBrado
80 Post contains images SR117 : Well to all of those who thought AMLO couldn't be that bad... three words. Told you so
81 Post contains images JoseMEX : Exactly my thoughts. Not that I'm surprised, though.
82 Latinplane : That's clearly a big sign of how irresponsible he'll be if he wins the elections. Scary. LatinPlane
83 Post contains images Fly727 : WE ARE FU*KED! RM
84 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Oh great, now even Calderon said he is winning the elections according to the exit polls. Exactly what Ugalde said NOT to do
85 KLM685 : I hoped Calderon was going to be more discrete with his message but he did the same F3423king thing Obrador said... They're looking for a turmoil for
86 Latinplane : Well, although Calderon has stated his sources, he is also declaring that he's the obvious winner. This isn't exactly right either. Not when as the n
87 SR117 : Well they're both claiming victory, I think Felipe should have exercised caution and abstained from making any such statement, as I do not think it ca
88 JoseMEX : I don't like any of the candidates claiming they won, but what was Calderon to do after AMLO's statement? BTW, did you all see AMLO's face? He looked
89 Latinplane : Did you take a look at Madrazo's face? HA HA HA!!
90 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Don't they all though? Heck, I'd be browning my pants if I was Jelipe, Peje or Ugalde
91 JoseMEX : I/m just looking at Madrazo now, and the phony smile on his face is priceless. At least Calderon was pretending to smile; AMLO just couldn't hide it.
92 SR117 : At least Calderon provided sources and didn't just pull a figure out of his arse like AMLO did. And he didn't say anything creepy !!! Andy is being ra
93 JoseMEX : Now AMLO is accusing the IFE of trying to steal the election from him and he looks really, really pissed off. I tell you, this guy is really scary.
94 Post contains images FLY2HMO : ..and ironically madrazo just said that we have to only believe the IFE's results and that nobody should be declaring virtual victories. He's got a po
95 Latinplane : You guys, the way thing look at this moment there is a very large chance that el Peje is going to win. Unless the north really voted against him, but
96 JoseMEX : Calderón is claiming the same thing, so who knows. Also, Calderon's party has a clear lead in votes for senators and diputados. I know they're not t
97 SFOMEX : He has to do it. It'd be suicidal to let the Peje go away with his declaration without an answer. Gore did the same mistake when he conceded to Bush
98 Edelag : El peje is quite crazy, how do you think that he will handle the whole immigration thing. He has never gone out of Mexico. ¡AMLO si es un lloron!
99 SR117 : Andy has stated even before the elections that he had a 10 point lead and his victory would be clear. He can NOT have the numbers to prove that he is
100 Post contains images FLY2HMO : I really, really hope your wrong. The north is really panista, and those are usually the last ballots to reach the IFE, so there's still hope. Es hor
101 Latinplane : Interestingly, this will can be either good news or bad news. If Calderon wins, it's good news because this means that there is a much greater chance
102 JoseMEX : I agree with you, Latinplane, but what i was trying to point out is that Calderon will probably have a higher number of votes in the end, seeing how t
103 Latinplane : One of the reasons why PRD and PAN are gaining so much momentum at the moment is because the votes from the rural areas (where it is more difficult t
104 SFOMEX : It's very weird! They should be live, covering this election until the morning news shows. If memory serves me well, in 2000 all the networks were li
105 Post contains images Latinplane : CNN en Español is live from el Zocalo. LatinPlane
106 JoseMEX : Now AMLO is telling Gutierrez Vivo that the IFE did not publish the results because he was ahead. What a clown.
107 Post contains images KLM685 : He won't handle the whole immigration thing as he's not going to win I hope... That's what I was thinking. I don't know what to think anymore... He r
108 SCCutler : It is stunning to watch this unfold, and yes, it is very much like our 2000 election. Still amazing to me, after so many years as I grew up and in my
109 JoseMEX : Alonso, keep in mind that this this clown has been campaigning for the last six years. OTOH, Calderon wasn't even supposed to be the PAN's candidate.
110 JoseMEX : Thanks for your good wishes, SCCutler. Younger mexicans have no idea whatsoever what it was like to have PRI candidates win every single election (pre
111 Post contains images Latinplane : They grew up seeing their country at its worst with a mindset that dated to the revolution. They are definitely hungry for prosperity. If Ghost was r
112 Post contains images Fly727 : Unfortunately we can't know via PREP which regions or states does the results come from. There's info about the number of Actas counted, but nothing
113 Post contains links and images SR117 : Actually you can know what states and regions each vote comes from... needless to say.. the results are NOT surprising, it's Red states vs Blue states
114 KLM685 : So sad but true, though Calderon did an excellent work as well as he only campaigned for one year and a half? It's amazing how easy the PRD manipulat
115 JoseMEX : Well, in that case, all that would be left would be for us to hope for that great AM 70's livery to be painted on the new 777's. Que la boca se te ha
116 SFOMEX : Thanks! They are still live... shame on the Mexican networks.
117 Latinplane : Technically, by this time, shouldn't Mexico City be pretty well finished accounted for. Because apparantly, AMLO states that he knows that he'll be t
118 SR117 : Check the links I posted a couple of replies above, they show how many votes have been tabulated from each state and how many voting booths' results h
119 JoseMEX : I'm really confused now, as the official vote tally is now not supposed to start until Wednesday, so I really don't know what the difference is betwe
120 SR117 : The votes that come now are from the actas de resultados preliminares. Those are basically pieces of paper that each voting booth produces with the re
121 JoseMEX : So, is it safe to assume that these results will basically mirror the results of the individual vote count?
122 Latinplane : Wow! We're really not going to know until morning that's for sure. 1% before AMLO starts winning. This is something! You guys are not going to sleep
123 Post contains images KLM685 : Because right now there's no exact numbers of vote counted but they are just counting the votes from the sample zones the 5 scientists selected previ
124 Post contains images SR117 : Indeed ! What shall happen now is that each voting district has to manually count the votes from their corresponding district to corroborate that the
125 JoseMEX : If I'm not mistaken, the results which are coming now is the PREP (Programa de Resultados Electorales Preliminares, or something like that) which is
126 SR117 : Actually, that ponderation thing was gonna be the result we should have been given at 11pm. The much touted "conteo r�pido", however, since the
127 Latinplane : And according to CNN, the official recount won't start till Wednesday and until an indefinite period. So we won't really know till late during the wee
128 Post contains images KLM685 : It's so close that it just become dangerous. This elections has just reflected how much we need to improve in our country. As the country itself is d
129 JoseMEX : From what I've just heard on TV, the PREP has to stop at 6 A.M. (by law) even if the acts from some polls have not been received, so I guess if the di
130 Ghost77 : Kind of had a big Madrazo slap on it's face!!! But... ten times better PRI instead of PRD!!!! Tío Mil horas! Yes, it was so cool to be able to vote,
131 AR385 : No, the last votes to be counted are the ones who come from very inaccessible regions, most of them in the South. In my opinion, both idiots are not
132 Theredbaron : Wrong my friend since 5.10 am today till 8 34 (NOW) the difference in votes has been between 403 thousand and 418 thousand votes for Felipe Calderon t
133 ME AVN FAN : whomever becomes president in your country, PLEASE improve your telephone-system. Suggest, you do it like Canada, join the USA with the international
134 NumberTwelve : Oh, there are other countries in your neighbourhood (and Europe) where the candidates proclaimed their win - USA, Italy, Germany. Anyway - when do yo
135 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : on the basis of their telephone-system I would say AT LEAST one week !
136 Post contains images RayChuang : It's the 2000 US Presidential election all over again. G** help us all if this election ends up in the courts like what happened in 2000 in the USA.
137 Post contains images Pope : Jeb Bush has offered to send in election monitors to assist!
138 ME AVN FAN : well, somebody with rich and lengthy experience in that field !
139 Post contains images Latinplane : So this is how the preliminaries are measuring up to: Basically, it appears that Calderon is the winner by a mare .99 percentage points. Lopez Obrador
140 SCCutler : Well, why not? Despite the mewling and gnashing of teeth, the Florida system managed to resist the attempt to use litigation and deceit to hijack the
141 Post contains images FLY2HMO : WTF are you talking about? What does this have to do with the elections anyways? You making a big deal just because of a few more numbers you need to
142 ME AVN FAN : dialling phone-numbers primarily is a problem A) for people inside whatever country and B) for people originating from whatever country and being out
143 Captaink : 1.) i am from the caribbean so I was used to the +1 then the other 10 digits. Mexico of course was a little different, def. not a problem. The fact i
144 FLY2HMO : OK seriously I dont get your point, and I doubt you have a valid one anyways. I find other issues, such as corruption, are more of a hazard to invest
145 Post contains images KLM685 : Ok guys so July 3 at 12:00 pm this is how it looks: 16 States for Calderón 17 for Peje North and South, this clearly shows the historical map i've be
146 Slider : Good luck to Mexico no matter who wins.... The country needs a strong free market leader, and someone who (from my viewpoint) needs to stop the flow o
147 Post contains images FLY2HMO : It doesn't help that the south is the most densely populated area in the country either Baja California Sur, for Peje?! Now that's a surprise. And Yu
148 Captaink : El Distrito Federal and Peje? How come?
149 KLM685 : Exactly, since before the Spanish conquest the region in yellow was the only populated, and VERY populated with over a 1000 different tribes. So that
150 Edelag : And el peje promised and gives this people their monthly 600 pesos check. But what they don't know is he owes that money to government. He is paying
151 Post contains images Latinplane : Exactly! It seems like Mexico is like if you put Bolivia and Chile as a country together and make it work! Chile being the industrialized Mexican nor
152 Post contains images Fly727 : Ooooookay... Where's the bunny with a pancake picture? Nah, not really. PAN has been a tradition in Yucatan ever since I can remember. People even ca
153 Post contains links and images Latinplane : Another thing that is evident is that most of the people now inhabiting Mexico City are not genetically native to the region. It appears that in the m
154 Post contains images FLY2HMO : Riquisisisimos!!! I love Yucatan cooking!!!! Good one!!! But seriously, what will mexican aviation turn into if Peje wins?
155 SR117 : AeroMexico's sale would of course be cancelled, as we cannot have such a fixture of profitability and efficiency going into the hands of the creepy p
156 Marcus : As of right now...... Calderon.............13,950,885 votes (36.37%) Peje...................13,575,091 votes (35.39%) 97.72% of polling stations consi
157 SFOMEX : Great map KLM685! Interesting info to back our discussion: Current results are PAN 13,944,296 votes (36.36%) vs. PRD 13,571,385 votes (35.39%). The be
158 KLM685 : One actually thinks that people in the city would vote for Calderón as...we're in the city. But the truth is that 85% of Mexico City are poor neighb
159 Latinplane : With almost 98% of the primary votes accounted for it appears that Calderon has won by a margin of + 1%. I don't see Lopez Obrador going out peacefull
160 Slider : That's a good point to make---what kind of unrest might it cause throughout the country?
161 Post contains links Edelag : Quoting Slider (Reply 160): That's a good point to make---what kind of unrest might it cause throughout the country? Here in the north we are already
162 Post contains images SR117 : With 1.86% of the results left to compute, Calder�n is still 384,670 votes ahead of Andy, it is highly unlikely that any recount or further votes
163 Post contains images Latinplane : I too think it's time to declare that Calderon has won the election basing this on the preliminary system count. I don't think that the percentage nu
164 FLY2HMO : I dunno guys, es muy temprano para cantar victoria...
165 Marcus : I believe he is getting ready to call the people to the streets, did you hear his speech at the Zocalo last night?, did you see the interview with Car
166 SR117 : While of course, given the very close nature of the vote, is it quite normal to assume that nobody shall claim outright victory at this point. However
167 Post contains images Latinplane : Right! And the experts at IFE knew this could be a possibility and that is why they made everyone aware that option three could be implemented. IFE ha
168 Post contains images Latinplane : And by the way, a very good sign that Calderon has won is the way the market has reacted today, which has responded very favorably to the situation. M
169 Post contains links Marcus : Check these videos..............in the order posted here.............he is preparing the "poor and humble" to "defend" his votes. http://www.youtube.c
170 Theredbaron : Calderon with 14 million votes and a 390k votes of difference has now a imposible to overcome , statistical curve. Peje will make a Rant will try to d
171 Luisde8cd : I'm so happy to read these results. I've been updating the PREP website every 30min since yesterday and it indeed shows that the Calderon lead of almo
172 Post contains images Fly727 : Let us know, we could plan an Avioncitos Meeting Monterrey Edition! Saludos. RM
173 SFOMEX : It's getting better... Roberto Madrazo (PRI's candidate) conceded the election and affirmed that his party will recognize the winner once the IFE fini
174 Edelag : By your question, I am going to assume you mean that the PRI is going to support Calderon's victory. They are going to support Calderon because they
175 KLM685 : Ahhh that would be good! But in a weekend please! Well beside of what you correctly stated, PRI is definately the first target from the PRD. So of co
176 Ghost77 : And after 12 years Madrazo has finally realized they have shitted this country all over and finally too realized they were doing it all wrong and cra
177 Post contains images Fly727 : That would be nice. Just two political parties in the game. I really don't feel happy with all those micro parties sucking publics funds which I pay
178 Post contains images Latinplane : After I just finished watching IFE's president appear on th news, he stated that: Given the preliminary numbers of 1% difference between the two conte
179 Post contains images KLM685 : I can't promise anything as it's within my nature to create caos and hangovers. lol
180 Edelag : Let's just hope he didn't. Don't jinx us.
181 Post contains images Latinplane : I'm not. But its just that the president of IFE Mr. Ugalde just didn't sound too reasuring when he came out last night during Doriga's news hour. He
182 Edelag : True. But Al Gore is not a "hijo de su madre" as AMLO...
183 Latinplane : But the other one that won is... I tell you, I as well as pretty much everyone else are not feeling very confident at the moment with the results tha
184 Post contains links AM744 : 2.5 million votes omitted because of inconsistencies: IFE http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/360037.html/ Now. WTF does that mean? The difference is
185 Post contains links Latinplane : Quoting AM744 (Reply 184): 2.5 million votes omitted because of inconsistencies: IFE http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/360037.html/ Now. WTF does th
186 SFOMEX : Coincidence? I don't think so. Carmen Aristegui is the Mexican version of Mr. Rather. She is a journalist with an agenda. She is a leftie (her right)
187 SFOMEX : Sorry, double posting.[Edited 2006-07-05 06:53:37]
188 SR117 : What happened today with Carmen was disgusting, I was so shocked it was actually airing !! Above all, what we have heard everywhere is the importance
189 AR385 : IFE is an independent institution that is the cleanest one in Mexico. As clean as a sheet of pure white cotton. They have actually served as consultan
190 Post contains links and images Marcus : Looks like it is starting.............he is amassing supporters in order to win on the streets what he could not win on the ballot boxes.......sore lo
191 ME AVN FAN : a simple question: would/will Mr Calderon be the BETTER president or would the "sore loser" have been the better one ?
192 SR117 : Short and simple answer: Before the election I would have said YES, he would be a better president. After the election and seeing this guy's absolute
193 Latinplane : With 50 % of the votes tallied again in the official count, these are the current numbers: Andrés Manuel López Obrador: 37.15 % Felipe Calderón: 34
194 JoseMEX : I do not think that they are counted in the same order. AFAIK, the order in which they are counted during the preliminary tally is the order in which
195 SFOMEX : Local time. That's why Mr. Lopez is winning at this moment since the PAN-friendly northwest started one and two hours after the rest of the country.
196 Marcus : Yes............and in Baja California we started 2 hours later because we are on Pacific Time.
197 Marcus : PRD is asking for a recount of all the votes.........that is not neccesary since all the votes were counted on election day on each voting station, th
198 SR117 : Right now Manuel Camacho Solis is talking on Ciro Gomez Leyva's radio/tv show, and is already tilling the soil for the later hours when the difference
199 Latinplane : With 65% of the votes now tabulated this is what it looks like: Andrés Manuel López Obrador: 36.91 % Felipe Calderón: 34.6 % Roberto Madrazo: 21.94
200 Post contains links Marcus : Ah very interesting.............sorry the link is in Spanish... http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/360276.html This could explain the tendencies.....
201 Post contains links and images JoseMEX : Here's a photo of some of Lopez Obrador's supporters which are now protesting outside the Federal Electoral Institute, with a flag from that great dem
202 SFOMEX : Welcome to the world of the mass media, where liberals/lefties can get away with almost everything! They are blocking all the avenues around the IFE'
203 PSA53 : If Lopez Obrador is declared the winner,it could give the US permission to go hardcore on illegal immigration knowing this issue is Mexico's second l
204 Post contains images LTU932 : If that picture doesn't show how dangerous AMLO is for Mexico, then what will? No, then you should leave the country before its too late. Let's keep
205 Latinplane : 85.34 % of votes counted: Andrés Manuel López Obrador: 36.49 % Felipe Calderón: 34.77 % Roberto Madrazo: 22.2 % Patricia Mercado: 2.71 % Roberto Ca
206 Luisde8cd : I've been going through that for a while now... Thanks to Chavez I know what it feels like to be inside a tear gas cloud or to be shot at with pallet
207 Edelag : But what I am apparently seeing on ElNorte.com is that on each update the points of difference between AMLO and Calderon is getting shorter. I am star
208 SR117 : According to data from people that are compairing the preliminaries and these results, recount is playing almost exacly like the results from the prel
209 Post contains links Latinplane : holly molly, the numbers are reverting to Calderon's favor at a fast pace. It must mean that the northern western states where they started two hours
210 Luisde8cd : This is going to be a looooooooooooong nite.... With 91.96% of the votes counted, AMLO is winning by 1.04%. Saludos desde Caracas, Luis
211 AndesSMF : Its after 2:00 am here, and I was finally able to give the wife good news and sweet dreams. The trend is still going down for MALO and now Calderon ha
212 Post contains links and images Stratofish : from: http://www.elpais.es/articulo/intern...elpporint/20060706elpepuint_5/Tes/ Talk about a polarized country? Actually I think AMLO would be the be
213 Garnetpalmetto : I'm locking this thread due to its length - please feel free to start a Part II.
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