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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 6
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...aking/story/6489848p-6341671c.html


New Jersey gov't shut down at 0930 because our government was unable to reach a budget.

This will have a huge effect on tourism if it doesn't get solved because the casino's cannot operate without state funded inspectors (who are considered non-essential). This will be interesting to watch. The other problem is that all state funded construction (road, airport, etc.) will immediately cease.

They picked a great weekend for this!!


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8621 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting Nkops (Thread starter):
They picked a great weekend for this!!

Definitely - at least they can say they turned NJ into the Land of the Free-from-gambling for time being.  duck   Wink



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Shocking, a Democrat not wanting to tax and spend. What's the world coming to?


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User currently offlineDw747400 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 1254 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

Quoting Nkops (Thread starter):
They picked a great weekend for this!!

The reports I've seen state that tourism-related operations will continue operating until 5 July.



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting Nkops (Thread starter):
This will have a huge effect on tourism

More importantly, it makes the New Jersey government look like a bunch of idiots, also possibly affecting tourism.

Hope they get their shit together soon.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

About the only departments that will be open will be the State Police, Forest Fire, Child Protection (DYFS) and other public safety agencies. The problem is that the budget has to be balanced (like all other states), they cannot borrow any more, the state owes a lot of back state employee pension funding (about a $1 Billion short?) and the refusal of all state Assembly and Senate members (as don't want to lose their seats) to raise the Sales Tax to 7% from 6% and extending it to more products. Add to this the increasing demands on states to fund homeland security, growing state employee union power, increasing mandates without funding by the Federal Government, way too high local/school property taxes (hurting seniors, others on fixed incomes and a home), demands on funding for major city school systems, no one wanting the state to cut spending to their interests and you have a real crises that has to be dealt with.
It looks like a hot summer in NJ for at least the next week or so.


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 4):
More importantly, it makes the New Jersey government look like a bunch of idiots,

That happened way before this!!!! Remember when our last govenor went on national TV to come out of the closet and admit he had an affair with one of his staff members.....

The worse part to me is the closing of the state forest and state parks, thats the one thing NJ has that is good!!



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 6):
That happened way before this!!!!

True. I was trying to be sensitive to the fact.  Big grin

Hopefully things will get straightened out soon. Otherwise, there will be a handful of politicians looking for new jobs.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Shocking, a Democrat not wanting to tax and spend. What's the world coming to?

Actually, I believe impasse was created by a democratic governor asking for an increase in the sales tax rate, and the legislature is refusing.

Seems to me there are two ways to cover a budget deficit - increase taxes (Corzine's way) or cut spending.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Seems to me there are two ways to cover a budget deficit - increase taxes (Corzine's way) or cut spending.

Yup, when I made my post I was looking at the bottom of the article where the Assembly Speaker, also a Democrat, had proposed spending cuts and alternative sources of tax revenue as part of the overall budget package.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Seems to me there are two ways to cover a budget deficit - increase taxes (Corzine's way) or cut spending.

Yup, when I made my post I was looking at the bottom of the article where the Assembly Speaker, also a Democrat, had proposed spending cuts and alternative sources of tax revenue as part of the overall budget package.

Sorry - thought you were referring to Corzine. Didn't he campaign on a promise not to raise taxes?


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Maybe New Jersey should issue IOU's to the state employeesand vendors like California did in the early 90's? Sure fire way to catch the attention of everyone and resolve the problem.

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 10):
Didn't he campaign on a promise not to raise taxes?

According to this summary of his campaign promises:

http://www.apatheticvoter.com/Campaign%20Promises%20-%20NJ.htm

... he only promised to "reform the gross receipts tax". (Whatever that means in politicspeak.  Wink )



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User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Looks like the Casinos are ordered to close on the 5th as well......... Talk about taking more money away from the State and hurting alot of wrokers  Sad

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

While were on the topic of Jersey, is New Jersey really a bad state? I hear all the jokes about Jersey being full of rude people, the state smelling like a landfill ect. I've been there and didnt see any of that although I was in Newark. I also got a lot of friends from NJ and they are cool as shit.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 14):

There are bad areas (Irvington, Paterson, Camden), but the majority of the state is really nice, from the Pine Barrens and the shore down south, to the highlands in the north. The refineries and factories in the northeast and crime in Camden give the state a bad name.

Unfortunately, most of these bad places are right on the NJ Turnpike corridor, which is all most people see of NJ.

Harry



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User currently offlineCaptainJon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 15):
Unfortunately, most of these bad places are right on the NJ Turnpike corridor, which is all most people see of NJ.

thats why there is the Parkway which goes through some bad areas but for hte most part is a pretty ride.


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
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Camden is the worst. Passaic county isnt that bad. Irvington near Newark Airport is pretty rough as well as Elizabeth.

Leo



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2641 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting Delta767300ER (Reply 14):
While were on the topic of Jersey, is New Jersey really a bad state?

Living here my whole life (stop laughing)... NJ is not that bad. Of course, there are bad parts , but for the most part it is nice. Lots of farms and the best tomatoes anywhere!!! Even North Jersey in the mountains is beautiful, especially if you like skiing or hiking.



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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2525 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

I'm not complaining... My driver's license was due for renewal by the end of June, and it got extended to the end of July since the DMV's all shut down  Smile

User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 13):
Looks like the Casinos are ordered to close on the 5th as well

The state owns the casinos?

Mark


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12887 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 20):
The state owns the casinos?

No, the state doesn't own any casinos, only regulates them. The Casino Control Commission and it's enforcement officers are a state authority and officers have to be on the premises of all casinos at all times they are open to monitor operations. They are not considered 'vital' like other law enforcement, public health and safety agencies.
As of late Monday, nothing is happening, and the Governor has ordered the Legisature to be in session tomorrow, July 4th. Nobody wants to raise any taxes or make funding cuts.
To me the quickest and best answer would be to raise the tax on Gasoline or apply the state sales tax of 6% on gasoline (not diesel as mainly used for commercial vehicles) with the new income going to the general funds. That would raise our gasoline prices about $.18/gallon, to about $ 3.15-3.29/gallon, similar to prices paid by NY State residents and close to the national average. It could also encourage conservation by reducing gas demand to the benefit to the enviroment.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6669 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Seems to me there are two ways to cover a budget deficit - increase taxes (Corzine's way) or cut spending.

I'm glad they have to spend their July 4 holiday in legislature. I hope the air conditioning goes out in the state hall. I hope they fight, argue, scrap, bitch and moan and then they'll realize what average Americans have to do in balancing their budgets....guess what?

We have to reduce spending. Average Americans can't simply snap their fingers and increase revenue.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 21):
To me the quickest and best answer would be to raise the tax on Gasoline or apply the state sales tax of 6% on gasoline (not diesel as mainly used for commercial vehicles) with the new income going to the general funds. That would raise our gasoline prices about $.18/gallon, to about $ 3.15-3.29/gallon, similar to prices paid by NY State residents and close to the national average. It could also encourage conservation by reducing gas demand to the benefit to the enviroment.

Oh yeah, raise taxes to equal the misery in a neighboring state. that's an insane idea!

the answer is never to raise taxes. Raising the gas tax hurts average people (again).

REDUCE SPENDING. PERIOD.

I hope the deadlock continues. There's nothing so unnecessary as a "nonessential" government employee.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12163 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
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This brings a flashback from last year, when the Minnesota legislature pulled the same stunt.


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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6669 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1682 times:

According to the AP and an article by Tom Hester today, NJ has the nation's highest property taxes, 5th higest corporate taxes and is #15 and 16 respectively in income and sales taxes.

72% of the NJ budget is spent for entitlement, social, welfare programs!!!

Corzine is out of his mind.

Gotta love it- the Democrats want to raise taxes on freaking Independence Day. Too funny.

There's instant campaign fodder....


25 Halls120 : Guess I can cross New Jersey off the list of potential retirement locations.
26 Slider : Yeah!! 98% urban, taxed up the ass, yeah, perfect place to settle down. And NJ is getting lapped by other states in terms of companies that are movin
27 Cory6188 : Okay, as a citizen of NJ, I take offense to your comments. In my opinion, Corzine is an excellent governor, and the problems we're facing are not a r
28 Nkops : That is correct... it is still left over from the Whitman and McGreevey era's.... the problem is Corzine is the first one with the balls to try to fi
29 Halls120 : So does the democratic solution always involve raising taxes? Why doesn't Corzine cut services?
30 Nkops : Yes... it does (I'm Republican)... I don't know what services he could cut, but I would think with even cutting services, there would still be more n
31 LTBEWR : Both of the former Governors and the assembly bought labor peace of state workers by raises and not being realistic as to benefits, especially retire
32 Halls120 : Here's the deal. If the voters aren't willing to pay for the services the state is providing, then services should be cut. It's really that simple. I
33 Slider : Doesn't matter. And no matter how altruistically one may think he's acting, he is legally duty bound to close state government based on the NJ consti
34 Pilotsmoe : If they keep the casinos closed long enough, I'll be on some of these programs! Time to cash the welfare check!
35 Halls120 : Well, here's the "deal" that has reopened New Jersey state government. Why the complicated raise the sales tax, but partially offset it with lower pro
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