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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2880 times:
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Got pulled over last night.. to make a long story short I was following somebody else in front of me and got pulled over for making a rolling stop, so I pull over and give him my license, insurance, and registration, and then he asks me if I had anything to drink tonight.. and of course I reply not at all. After that he asks me to go back and sit in his patrol car with him while he calls in my plates and writes out a warning. Just curious as to why he wanted me to come back to the car with him, it's not like I wasn't cooperating or was going to run (no way I could out run his Dodge Charger). Usually they have you stay in your own car. He also seemed pretty nice towards the end, which was nice.


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User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
He also seemed pretty nice towards the end, which was nice.

Did he have a gun in his pocket or was he pleased to see you?  wink 

On a more serious note, I believe the reason is to stop you even trying to drive off. Regardless of whether or not you could outrun the officer in a potential chase, the risk of causing an accident, involving other vehicles, during a high speed pursuit would be extremely high?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2842 times:
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Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 1):
On a more serious note, I believe the reason is to stop you even trying to drive off. Regardless of whether or not you could outrun the officer in a potential chase, the risk of causing an accident, involving other vehicles, during a high speed pursuit would be extremely high?

That very well could be.. although it would be dumb to run for a warning. What I also found strange was he didnt call in his location untill after we were back in the car.



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User currently offlineRyangooner From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 969 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

Over here in the UK ist 50/50 whether or not i have someone stand or sit, very much depends on the mood or even the weather! If its raining and im writing a ticket ill have you sat in the rear of my car so the paper dont get wet!
I would not look much into it, ive never thought about it before you had brought the subject up!

Ryan



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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2834 times:
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Quoting Ryangooner (Reply 3):
If its raining and im writing a ticket ill have you sat in the rear of my car so the paper dont get wet!

Yeah, it was a very nice day so rain or hot/cold wasn't an issue.. and I got to sit in the front passenger seat lol.

Quoting Ryangooner (Reply 3):
I would not look much into it, ive never thought about it before you had brought the subject up!

Yeah, just curious as to why that is.



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User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

I know the IA State Patrol always brings you back to the sqaud car when they pull you over and issue a ticket. They had my mom enter her information into the cop's laptop when she got her ticket. Its most likely just dept. policy.

Erik in MSP


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

The only question remains was it the Hemi...I would have asked him if I could hear him rev it up  Silly

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Judgement call really . . . there is no standard in Alaska as to whether to bring the subject back to the Squad or allow them to stay in their own vehicle.

Several things come to mind.

a) Perhaps the officer had some doubt as to your non-consumption claim. Bringing you to his car would allow the officer to observe you further while the warning citation was written.

b) Maybe that's standard procedure for his department.

c) The officer didn't want you to lose your mind and drive off . . . thereby turning a warning citation into a car chase.

Just random thoughts on that.

For the record, rarely do I bring anyone back to my unit. I mean, this IS Alaska, we have like 5 major roads. Where the hell you gonna run to where I work. It's 480 miles south to Fairbanks and there's only ONE road. There's Trooper at Coldfoot 230 miles from here, if I can't catch you, he will.  biggrin  And Bob doesn't have the same good sense of humor that I have.  Wow!


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
(no way I could out run his Dodge Charger).

LOL, Nice. What dept has those?

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
The only question remains was it the Hemi...I would have asked him if I could hear him rev it up

The police versions all have the hemi  biggrin 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
And Bob doesn't have the same good sense of humor that I have.

 rotfl  God help the sorry bastard that has to deal with both of you  Wink



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2676 times:
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Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
a) Perhaps the officer had some doubt as to your non-consumption claim. Bringing you to his car would allow the officer to observe you further while the warning citation was written.

b) Maybe that's standard procedure for his department.

c) The officer didn't want you to lose your mind and drive off . . . thereby turning a warning citation into a car chase.

Just random thoughts on that.

Good thoughts.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Trooper at Coldfoot 230 miles from here, if I can't catch you, he will.

Lol 230 miles.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 8):
Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
(no way I could out run his Dodge Charger).

LOL, Nice. What dept has those?



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 8):
LOL, Nice. What dept has those?

The big CCPD:

http://www.usacops.com/ia/p50616/index.html



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User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2666 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
no way I could out run his Dodge Charger

If it was a V6 Charger, chances are that you could have!




-NWA742


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2632 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
After that he asks me to go back and sit in his patrol car with him while he calls in my plates and writes out a warning

Just wrong and unsafe. Sounds like to me he was lazy. (I suppose that he approached your car on the left side also).
Problems with having you sit in the partol car, #1) you're close to his weapon; #2) should dispatch advise of a problem, the bad guy will have the jump on the officer, #3) what if the patrol car is hit from the rear while you're sitting in while he writing, its call liability, if you're injured the check from the department will have several zeros at the end. In Arizona a couple of highway patrolmen were sitting in their vehicles writing when they were hit from the rear and the Crown Vics exploded, killing them.
The officer should be standing in a safe area (well at least as safe as possible) next to the vehicles and write the paperwork there. In my humble opinion the only time an officer should write a citiation in the vehicle is in bad weather, like when its -60 windchill in Michigan. So what if you drive off, the officer has your and the vehicle identification, and besides whats the wisdom to have a pursuit over a minor traffic violation in this situation, always can do the paperwork for a warrant if you do drive off.


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2595 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
Just wrong and unsafe.

 checkmark 

Agree. I've seen a few departments do this, mostly state troopers (Michigan included when I lived there). I've never understood the concept. Iowaman, you didn't mention it so I will assume the officer didn't pat you down before having you sit in his vehicle. Serious officer safety concerns there. At that point, he still had no idea who you were (I've been handed a bogus ID and vehicle information on more than a few occasions), if you had any wants, and probably had no information on your plate or vehicle yet.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 11):
In my humble opinion the only time an officer should write a citiation in the vehicle is in bad weather, like when its -60 windchill in Michigan.

When I was brand new and only had a few months on the job, the officer I was "training" with and I made a stop on a vehicle that rolled through a stop sign (my FTO had called in with a family emergency and my Lt. stuck me with a guy who had over 20 years on and had, let's say, developed some bad habits). It was one of those cold winter nights in Michigan and the windchill was somewhere around -20 (yeah yeah ANC....I know...where you come from, that's considered shorts and t-shirt weather). The driver stops and I reach for the door handle to get out and my partner says, "Sit tight rookie". The asshole then gets on the P.A. and orders the driver to walk back to our vehicle. wtf? This would have been wrong under any circumstances but the busted out passenger side window that he either didn't see or just disregarded (which can be a sign of a freshly stolen vehicle) added to the potential for the stop going to shit rather quickly. Anyway, contrary to what I was told by my dumbass partner, I exited the vehicle and stood at the rear so I could watch the driver as he walked back to us (I should have told him to stay put). The car wasn't stolen but the guy ended up being wanted on a couple of misdemeanor charges.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Perhaps the officer had some doubt as to your non-consumption claim. Bringing you to his car would allow the officer to observe you further while the warning citation was written.

I know you're only speculating, but again, piss poor officer safety practice if you ask me. I prefer to observe someone while they're seated in their vehicle with their hands in plain view. If they've consumed any significant amount of alcohol, it's probable the odor will be on them and in their vehicle. Doesn't make any sense to me to have them exit their car and have a seat in mine if sobriety is questionable.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2584 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 8):
The police versions all have the hemi

No, you are not correct. Dont fight with me about cars. You will lose and you know it.

MSRP for Dodge Charger V6 Police is $22,000, Hemi goes for $24,000. If you want rubber floor mats add +$70.

Quoting Iowaman (Thread starter):
no way I could out run his Dodge Charg

I could, even a Hemi  bouncy   bouncy  I feel special.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 13):
No, you are not correct. Dont fight with me about cars. You will lose and you know it.

You win. Besides, last time I argued a pollock and cars, I got a boot up my ass after I said BMW was better then Merc  Wink (which it still is, btw)

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 13):
I could, even a Hemi I feel special.

The SS?



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
The SS?

No, I put 4xbottles of NOS-> in my Blazerm stole a Grand Prix GTP supercharger and added that also.  Silly

/sarcasm off.

Some guy here drives a 1992 Dodge Caravan with a modified 5.0L V8. Sometimes I see him takeout Acura's on red lights...first time I saw him I nearly soiled my pants though.

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 14):
You win. Besides, last time I argued a pollock and cars, I got a boot up my ass after I said BMW was better then Merc (which it still is, btw)

When was the last time you spelled Polak right?

I agree BMW is better than Mercedes (except the SL65AMG)


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 15):
I agree BMW is better than Mercedes

I just returned my SLK to get a nice Audi. Merc cars are shit and so is their customer service!

Patrick


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 15):
When was the last time you spelled Polak right?

Honestly? I dont even know why I spelt it like that. Its been a long day. I just got off work. So leave me alone  Wink

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 15):
No, I put 4xbottles of NOS-> in my Blazerm stole a Grand Prix GTP supercharger and added that also.

/sarcasm off.

Ok Ok Ok.... got it. But IDK, maybe you got another car or somethin, cuz all I can think of is the Blazer and the SS.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 16):
I just returned my SLK to get a nice Audi. Merc cars are shit and so is their customer service!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/LOT767-300ER/stilles4.jpg

Shot from my Blazer in Schaumburg of my 2 good Bosnian friends. I only step into "S" Audi's. Anything else feels like an Opel Kadet to me hehe.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 18):
I only step into "S" Audi's. Anything else feels like an Opel Kadet to me hehe.

A4 convertible 2.0 TFSI is coming... at least I have the "S-Line Sport Packet".  Wink

Patrick


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
A4 convertible 2.0 TFSI is coming... at least I have the "S-Line Sport Packet".

Hmmm I never seen a 2.0 A4. Today I saw a 2.4 A4 or A6. AFAIK we only have the 1.8T, 3.2 6 and the 4.2 V8 in the USA.

Also, someone that is on vacation near me in Warsaw drives a 2001 Cadillac Escalade on Florida license plates...heheh. Funny stuff.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 20):
AFAIK we only have the 1.8T, 3.2 6 and the 4.2 V8 in the USA.

Yeah, the USA... do you think that the 1.4 (75hp) Golf will sell there?  Silly  Wink

Patrick


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
Yeah, the USA... do you think that the 1.4 (75hp) Golf will sell there?

My snowblower has 15.5hp. What do you think about that?


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 22):
My snowblower has 15.5hp. What do you think about that?

You're a Polak who modified it (after stealing it, of course).  Wink Big grin

Patrick


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2501 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
A4 convertible 2.0 TFSI is coming... at least I have the "S-Line Sport Packet".

Mmm very good choice Sabena. My A3 will be three years old at the start of next year. Looking to change it for an A4 convertible too  Smile



Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
25 Pope : Question for ANCFlyer - Once you take the person back to your police car, do you continue to question them? What I'm getting at is whether your Dept h
26 ANCFlyer : I don't put them in the back - if I'm writing a citation. Like I said, rarely do I ever put them in my unit at all . . . They are not under arrest -
27 11Bravo : It's also not unheard of to put someone, especially a very young someone, in the back seat to provide them with a little educational experience. Ther
28 Pope : OK thanks. I completely understand why an officer would do this. Just exploring this issue further. Would you agree that a person need not be in hand
29 AirCop : Agreed. In my case most of our patrol vehicles didn't have the protective cage unit. Headquarters: Its the wrong image, each officer who had a assign
30 Pope : Do you think that if the unit has a protective cage, then the case for custodial arrest is greater? I was under the impression that all the cars had
31 AirCop : Not when you're driving 40-50 miles on mountain roads to the jail. Handcuffed, seatbelted on the right side, they can't get to you, and they can't get
32 ANCFlyer : Absolutely not. Cuffs, period. It is often amazing how calm and collected a person can be until a) cuffs go on or b) they are placed unde arrest. No
33 Pope : My misunderstanding. Sorry. That makes sense. Someone sitting in the front of a police car without handcuffs is completely different than a person pu
34 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : No, my dad bought it in Home Depot.
35 Iowaman : Correct, I noticed he had some type of camera thing that had a picture of the rear of my car when I got in. Correct, just a "come back to the car wit
36 N766UA : Gotta love written warnings. I got pulled over yesterday because everyone on the highway was slamming on their brakes because of the cop. I refuse to
37 Itsjustme : True. Fairly common practice, actually. Especially when you have a volatile situation and combatants need to be separated. It is perfectly lawful to
38 Post contains images Iowaman : He spent a good 5 minutes writing out a warning and asking me all these question such as weight, height, etc which was all on my recently issued lice
39 N766UA : I agree, but it's better than the alternative. He already pulled me over, he could have made it worth his time to write out a ticket, which I'm glad
40 ANCFlyer : I doubt that . . . check again . . . I know of no ruling SCotUS ever made that said if a subject is under arrest you cannot cuff them. If such a ruli
41 LOT767-300ER : No. But dont quote me on it because its 4am, but I believe 2 warnings in Illinois in a certain amount of time can equal a tiquet de luxe.
42 Post contains images AirCop : Agreed 100%. If not going to cite, just give a verbal and get out of dodge..the more time sitting by the side of the road, the better chance of getti
43 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I'm not sure I wanna know . . . .
44 Itsjustme : So the 2nd Amendment wouldn't apply to him, then.
45 Post contains images N766UA : Well, he would still have the right... just not the ability.
46 Itsjustme : On your driving record, no. But from the information you say was solicited for the "warning", it sounds like that department uses a traffic stop w/o
47 Itsjustme : I've had more than a few arrestees fall into that category when advised of their right to remain silent.
48 BigOrange : I've never seen cops in NJ write a ticket at the side of the car. They all take your license, insurance, registration back to their car and write the
49 Pope : I think we're arguing two different things. My position is that my understanding of Miranda is that any custodial interrogation requires Miranda warn
50 ANCFlyer : Always mirandize an arrestee . . . better still if you read it right off the card . . . that way, the puke can't say "But he didn't say that part". E
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