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User currently offlineFfis34 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 923 times:

hey guys, i am in need of another MP3 player, and i currently have an ipod video, i am looking for something directly compareable, that plays video, but that is the same price or cheaper then the ipod, I must also have atleast 30GB of music, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated


thanks

brad


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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 909 times:

Creative Zen Vision: M


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User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 896 times:

AC773 is absolutely right: definitely the Creative Zen Vision:M (review from Anythingbutipod.com)

[Edited 2006-07-03 01:44:16]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 883 times:

Exactly why are you looking for something else...?

User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 873 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
Exactly why are you looking for something else...?

Some people don't want to be like everybody else.  Smile



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 866 times:

My Sony Ericsson w900i...which Im slowly growing to hate!!! Its a brick and everytime I connect it to speakers I get that back ground noise which is SOOOOOOOOOO ennoying!

The new sony mp3 players look quite good, however the good old mini disc players were brilliant. However I always fell asleep listening to mine in bed so their life was shit hence I went through so many minidisc players, although that was ok, I just brought them cheap off ebay Big grin

Quoting Ardian (Reply 2):
AC773 is absolutely right: definitely the Creative Zen Vision:M (review from Anythingbutipod.com)

Would probably have to agree with that as my cousin has it and the only thing he hates about it is tha fact that his is bright green!



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 865 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 4):
Some people don't want to be like everybody else.

Even if it means you'd have to settle for a clearly inferior product?

Just go ahead if you want to... but please actually compare the players side to side to find the one that's really best for you. Features, size and usability should all fit your requirements.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 859 times:

Think about where you want to use it. i.e If you out camping etc etc and no where to charge it, then its handy to have something that runs on normal batteries so that they can be replaced, such as AA or AAA. As to what 30GB mp3 player that runs on AA...I don't think anything exsists. I just shot myself in the foot


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User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 841 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Even if it means you'd have to settle for a clearly inferior product?

Oh god, not this again.  banghead 



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User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 841 times:

Another vote for the Creative Zen...make sure you get some noise-cancelling headphones to go with it. Sennheiser (sp?) makes a great product.

I bought my Zen at Fry's Electronics a few months back for $250. For the price, I think it's excellent value. I have no problem loading my existing CD's into it, whereas I've heard conflicting reports of being able to do that with an iPod. My buddy knows how, yet the salesperson said you couldn't. Whatever!


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 836 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Just go ahead if you want to... but please actually compare the players side to side to find the one that's really best for you.

I've done that, and I chose a black iPod video 30G. I feel that it's the best player for me. Other people may find that a non-Apple player suits them better, but still you feel like you have to attack them for it.



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User currently offlineHawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3188 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 820 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 9):
I have no problem loading my existing CD's into it, whereas I've heard conflicting reports of being able to do that with an iPod. My buddy knows how, yet the salesperson said you couldn't.

The salesperson, like many at most big-box stores, is an idiot. It's no problem to load CD's into an iPod, just rip them into iTunes and then from there they'll go right onto the iPod.

One thing to keep in mind, Ffis34, is that if you have a collection of music or videos bought from the iTunes Music Store, they'll work only on the iPod, not on the Zen or any other player.


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 807 times:

Had a Creative Zen. Compared it to my friend's Video iPod. Zen was inferior in both features, aesthetics, and quality. I sold the Zen and bought an iPod. Absolutely zero regrets. The Zen really is inferior to the iPod.

User currently offlineAirbus A380 From Singapore, joined Jan 2001, 522 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 796 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 12):
Had a Creative Zen. Compared it to my friend's Video iPod. Zen was inferior in both features, aesthetics, and quality. I sold the Zen and bought an iPod. Absolutely zero regrets. The Zen really is inferior to the iPod.

I did the same thing 4 months ago, and never looked back! Even when Creative released their new range of Zen V/Zen V Plus players.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 777 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 10):
Other people may find that a non-Apple player suits them better, but still you feel like you have to attack them for it.

Not at all. I'd just recommend to take a careful look at the alternatives in a real comparison.


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3305 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 763 times:

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 11):
One thing to keep in mind, Ffis34, is that if you have a collection of music or videos bought from the iTunes Music Store, they'll work only on the iPod, not on the Zen or any other player.

Right-click on the song title and choose "Convert to MP3...", and you'll be able to play it on your non Apple music player. Then again, why would you want to?


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 753 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 8):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
Even if it means you'd have to settle for a clearly inferior product?

Oh god, not this again.

This time he's right. I spent a lot of time researching mp3 players before I finally decided on an Ipod, and I went with it even though it was more expensive. It's clearly better than the competition.

You can pay less, but you'll get less.

Quoting Hawaiian717 (Reply 11):
The salesperson, like many at most big-box stores, is an idiot. It's no problem to load CD's into an iPod, just rip them into iTunes and then from there they'll go right onto the iPod.

I've had no problem loading my CD's on my Ipod using Itunes. Itunes is also a much better program than its competitors, and the ease of using it has made me rethink me decision to by a new Dell desktop.


User currently offlineFfis34 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 745 times:

oo i forgot to mention....its needs to be mac compatiable


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 731 times:

Quoting Ffis34 (Reply 17):
its needs to be mac compatiable

It must do the same as an iPod, it may cost as much as an iPod, it needs to be Mac-compatible, you already have an iPod... honestly, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it might just be that it is a duck.

If it's really about power supply, think about one of those USB power adaptors. The Apple ones aren't cheap, but I got burnt with one I got on eBay for 10 EUR - it doesn't work with my iPod even though it's rated at 1000mA, the same as the original one. Apple.....  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 726 times:

Quoting Ffis34 (Reply 17):
oo i forgot to mention....its needs to be mac compatiable

Well, then all the online music stores except the iTunes Music Store are out anyway, because all of them are Windows-only. Only the iTMS is cross-platform.

Whether an individual player would work with a Mac is another question; At least most of them probably will, just not through iTunes.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 721 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 14):
Not at all. I'd just recommend to take a careful look at the alternatives in a real comparison.

Creative Zen Vision: M v. Apple iPod video

Quoting Ffis34 (Reply 17):
oo i forgot to mention....its needs to be mac compatiable

I'm about 90% sure that the creative (and pretty much every other WMA player) is incompatible with a Mac. Looks like you'll be having an iPod then.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 16):
This time he's right.

Oh, I know that. But what really annoys me is the way he puts things, and this also relates to past Mac v. PC threads. Instead of saying that the iPod "looks better" or "has the best user interface of any MP3 player" (both of which are true), he says that the competition is "clearly inferior".

While the iPod comes out on top (in my book) for the aforementioned reasons, each player has its own strengths and weaknesses. Some people might want to use a music subscription service or play DivX video, so they'll have to go for the Zen. Other people might want to use the iTunes music store or they need a Mac-compatible player, so they'll have to go for the iPod. Everybody else is left up to personal preference.

-AC773



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 712 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 20):
Oh, I know that.

Thank you...!

Quoting AC773 (Reply 20):
But what really annoys me is the way he puts things, and this also relates to past Mac v. PC threads. Instead of saying that the iPod "looks better" or "has the best user interface of any MP3 player" (both of which are true), he says that the competition is "clearly inferior".

Actually, in the context above I was responding to this post from you:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 4):
Some people don't want to be like everybody else.

And I was merely questioning how many deficiencies one might be ready to accept in exchange for being different in this case. It was your own choice to associate that with the comparison iPod / other players...

But I know, being right is about the most annoying thing there is...!  mischievous 


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 687 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
And I was merely questioning how many deficiencies one might be ready to accept in exchange for being different in this case

Based on the sales numbers of Peugeot, Renault, and Citroen; I'd have to say some people accept quite a lot.  biggrin 

Now, back to business:

As far as I can tell, their specs are nearly identical. The key difference is that one of them is compatible with Apple DRM and the other isn't. Sure the iPod looks better and has a better UI, but to some people these are minor issues. The iPod also shows smudges and scratches easily, and it doesn't come with a power adapter (which still pisses me off to this day). Again though, to some people these issues are not of great concern. They go into a shop and buy what they want. Is there anything wrong with that?

By the way: with iPod sales the way they are these days, what have you got to worry about?  Smile

-AC773



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 679 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 22):
Based on the sales numbers of Peugeot, Renault, and Citroen; I'd have to say some people accept quite a lot.

Sure. But would they all still buy those cars if the Mercedes would basically cost the same? I don't think so.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 22):
The iPod also shows smudges and scratches easily

I've got a black nano which I usually carry around in my pocket without extra protection, and I can't confirm that. Don't put your keys, change or other hard objects into the same pocket and you'll be fine.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 22):
By the way: with iPod sales the way they are these days, what have you got to worry about?

I don't! Big grin


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 659 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
Sure. But would they all still buy those cars if the Mercedes would basically cost the same? I don't think so.

Mine was meant more of an example than an analogy. There are countless individuals in Europe who forego all the usual VW Golfs, Ford Foci, and Honda Civics in favor of something a little funky and a little different. In general, French cars have rubbish reliability ratings and yet people keep buying them. It seems to be less of an issue of cost and more an issue of picking a car that sends a message.

And that's how I see it  Smile

Quoting Klaus (Reply 23):
I've got a black nano which I usually carry around in my pocket without extra protection, and I can't confirm that. Don't put your keys, change or other hard objects into the same pocket and you'll be fine.

I have a black video iPod, and also am trouble-free in that department. Of course, I do use protection.
 Wink I was referencing the "scratch" comments on common customer experiences in Rev. 1.

BTW: I don't know about you, but I found "Schwarz Tech" quite amusing.  Wink

-AC773



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21406 posts, RR: 54
Reply 25, posted (8 years 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 641 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 24):
There are countless individuals in Europe who forego all the usual VW Golfs, Ford Foci, and Honda Civics in favor of something a little funky and a little different.

Sure... it takes all kinds... but don't blame me if that's not what I'd recommend in the case of a digital music player...!

Quoting AC773 (Reply 24):
I don't know about you, but I found "Schwarz Tech" quite amusing.

Well, in german "schwarz" simply means "black", but I guess you're probably thinking of a certain movie where they're combing the desert...?  mischievous 


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