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Some Advice (station Manager Illegal Activities)  
User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

Im just looking for some advice as to how to approach a situation, outside of what I have already done. Anyways, heres the story. My station manager is a manipulative physico path with demensia (outside my opinion, I'm sure its docmented in paper somewhere). First she took the station manager position so that she could get the starting 4.00/hr raise (are you kidding?) because she has a gambeling addiction. She then delegated the tasks away to the supervisor, and the lead who run the station currently. She sometimes, however, has random power issues and decides to interject her idiotic opinion, therefore she won't allow the supervisor any passwords or anything so that he could have complete control. My problem with her is pay. Mesa airlines is known for this kind of shit, and that fine, I've chose to work here over places in the past for specific reasons, and for the most part I haven't had any pay problems. I will say that most pay related issues with mesa are simply recieving a pay check with the right information, at the right time . My issue is different.
THE PROBLEM: My manager goes in and takes my hours off my time card (its audited throuh netime, a internet based time punch company) No I don't care if I missed a lunch or clocked in ten minutes early that is fine, take it! but when I work 3hrs on a delayed flight, or just my assigned shift in general, I want my money.) I know she is breaking laws here and I'm just curious how I should deal with it. Im so sick of this shit, I go to flight school and a university, and I just want to be treated fairly here and get the money I work for. Confronting her about it is a joke, she won't listen and gets so red in the face it makes me want to laugh uncontrolably. BTW; She is the only one that has access to edit time cards through netime...and the days she edits say in paraenthesis (modified) thanks guys!

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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

Write her a formal letter of complaint and quote the terms of your contract regarding overtime hours. Also send a copy to your HR at HQ.


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User currently offlineRobTrent From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

Not being familiar with your contract of employment, I would recommend first reading the small print. If there is nothing in there to support your superior's actions I would recommend the following actions.

A: Going over your bosses head and bringing it to the attention of senior management. This could have negative effects though depending on your own situation and your company's pecking order etc.

B: Seek the advice of a lawyer with employment law experience. This could prove costly though.

It is a difficult situation but if your rights are being restricted you should have no problem proving this.

Just my 2 Pence for what it's worth.

Regards
Rob

[Edited 2006-07-04 20:07:43]


T7 - You know it makes sense !
User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1508 times:

If you have copies of the documentation showing that they have been altered, then I suggest that you put them somewhere safe and keep spares.

What is the grievance procedure at Mesa.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Quoting Flyboy80 (Thread starter):
but when I work 3hrs on a delayed flight, or just my assigned shift in general, I want my money.)

My first advise is can the drama. If you approach anyone for help describing the situation like you did here, you will likely get nowhere.

You need to contact your Human Resources Department, and/or your state's Department of Labor.

Hourly, non-exempt personnel must be paid for hours worked. Period. It is a felony for employer to alter time records in a fraudulent manner.

Be careful how you handle this. You could very likely get fired. Approach it in a very business-like manner. Keep you complaint BRIEF AND TO THE POINT, keep your opinions about the manager to YOURSELF.

Good luck. You have a legitimate beef. You just need to be careful how you proceed.



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

If she is alterning your time records (and I am recently familier with these computerized time recording programs) she is breaking the law and this is the issue I would recommend reporting her on. Check your employee handbook or call the home office HR department for you company's 'whistleblower' protections, procedures and people to contact. I would also see if there are any 'backup' facts to prove you worked during the time she is deducting (security check in/check out records of the airport for example)

User currently offlineRobTrent From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 260 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 4):
Be careful how you handle this. You could very likely get fired. Approach it in a very business-like manner. Keep you complaint BRIEF AND TO THE POINT, keep your opinions about the manager to YOURSELF.

Good luck. You have a legitimate beef. You just need to be careful how you proceed.

Sound advice !

Regards



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1907 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Write to your Station Director (her boss) with copy to HR. Adress it businesslike, with all documentation you can produce. Do not make any accusations you can't back up with facts. Don't express any opinions.

Make sure you give all the timings, including the actual times of the flights you worked along with the duty roster, if available.
If you can prove that she edited your timecard, she's in heaps of trouble.

If the company starts to bully you, look for legal help. Someone here may be able to help you with advice, or try Mesa's stock board.
http://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?action...s&board=7083002&sid=7083002&type=r

[Edited 2006-07-04 20:22:38]


- I am LN-MOW, and I approve this message.
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2309 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Jetdeltamsy's answer is perfect.

Can the drama. Be prepared to work somewhere else. Make copies and report her to her supervisor's supervisor.


User currently offlineAogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 935 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 4):
My first advise is can the drama. If you approach anyone for help describing the situation like you did here, you will likely get nowhere.

Bullseye. You'll instantly lose credibility if you make it a personal issue. My suggestion is to make a detailed listing over a 30 day period that shows exactly how many hours you worked and how much your paycheck reflects. Then my next step would be to have a private meeting with your manager: "I've kept documented proof of my hours worked over the last X days, and it doesn't correspond with my paycheck. I'd like to get this settled as soon as possible as I have bills to pay. I also have reason to believe that my timecards are being altered, and so I'd like to get this taken care of without getting anybody in trouble."


User currently offlineMesaMXORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1389 times:

I had the same thing happen when I was a ramper in DEN. For those of you that dont know nettime, you have all the documentation you need. It stores time information for months and if someone edits it there is a nice big (modified) on that day so it is nice.

I just made copies of the days and brought them to the station manager and asked why in the world they were modified cause we did fingerscan clock-in clock-out's so it wasnt like I was fudging time or something. After that all was good, but if you have further problems an e-mail to #HR Group should work. Good luck

(Mesa fighting common sense one day at a time)


User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1274 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 4):
My first advise is can the drama. If you approach anyone for help describing the situation like you did here, you will likely get nowhere.

You need to contact your Human Resources Department, and/or your state's Department of Labor.

Hourly, non-exempt personnel must be paid for hours worked. Period. It is a felony for employer to alter time records in a fraudulent manner.

Be careful how you handle this. You could very likely get fired. Approach it in a very business-like manner. Keep you complaint BRIEF AND TO THE POINT, keep your opinions about the manager to YOURSELF.

Good luck. You have a legitimate beef. You just need to be careful how you proceed.

Dead On! HR First and in writing without personal emotion or opinion; The State Labor relations board SECOND, if HR doesn't respond in a timely manner (And all too often they DON'T). Typically State Labor relations boards jump all over these issues expeditiously. If all else fails (And typically it won't), THEN seek legal advice. Keep in mind, many states have statutes of limitations on grievances (typically six months) so don't let any grass grow on your action. However, remember this, IF HR investigates, it will come down to her word against yours so back it up however you can with documentation that you worked those hours and for what flights etc. (Documentation not witnesses.)

As far as your personal and probably very valid complaints against your Station Manager, believe me, if the HR director has it on the ball, they'll do an internal investigation on the Station Manager and that problem SHOULD take care of itself. If it comes to the Labor board getting involved, depending on the State regulations and policies, they usually make certain the HR dept takes care of such problems. Reason being, if the HR director is prudent, the last thing they want is a labor claim or legal action as HR is ultimately responsible for such matters.

Your station manager is probably under a tight thumb-screw to control labor, this could just be reasonable or even unreasonable company expectations, or her inability to manage and control overtime hours (Which is more than likely the case). I hate to sound sexist as there are plenty of capable women in management positions all around the country, but as a consultant, I handle situations like this all the time, and it's almost always--80% of the time or so--a woman manager that should be home baking cookies, not in the world of business, they're too emotional and react to all issues in a 'personal' fashion and keeps a grudge going forever.

So, as it's been said several times up to now, do NOT disparage her, not to anyone, including workmates you think you can trust. Keep your mouth shut and just deal with it. If this is properly addressed, you WILL be contacted and interviewed in confidence by someone in HR, or upper levels of management, or a third-party troubleshooter. What she's doing violates Federal and state laws and it's for the reasons of her trying to cover her ass with management over labor issues, OR as a personal vindetta against you. Just zip it up and say nothing, the last thing you need is to give her opportunity to build a defense for any action that will come later.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 5):
Check your employee handbook or call the home office HR department for you company's 'whistleblower' protections,

DO NOT blow the whistle, not early on anyway.


User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

well guys...with my education (so far) in life, Im pretty aware of the obviously stated. Thanks anyways, A.net is a good place to vent however. lol. So far what I've done in the last week is talk to the regional manager about an investigation, but he doesn't want to hear any of it either. This woman's personal characteristics, or characteristics of her life are hardly the matter, but make a nice plot for the post. I've printed my net time receipts, have them signed by the lead, and station supervisors, and photo copied peices of the employee handbook. All of this for nothing, as today I went over the regionals head, and finally got some very much needed help...everything is resolved and we'll leave it at that! thanks for the opinions over the last couple of hours!

User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Flyboy80:

I think a lot of the advice above is right on target, obviously -- especially regarding the emotion, drama and handling this with utmost professionalism.

My only word of caution is you given some fairly explicit descriptions of your boss: 1) "she", 2) Mesa, 3) physico path [sic], 4) demensia [sic], 5) gambeling [sic] addiction, 6) took the job for the $4/hour, etc. And "Mesa airlines is known for this ...." won't make any friends at HR who might be able to help you!

I obviously don't know the size of your station or your relationship with your co-workers. I only bring these things up because I have heard A.net discussion topics brought up dozens and dozens of time at work, and all it takes is for one person to see this and discuss at work, and all hell could break loose. A small enough station and it could be easy enought to narrow down the author -- college and aviation student, your profile info, etc.

There are other a.netters on here with legal experience, but I would be concerned your statements in print might be just a little too dangerous.

While I think you have an easy case to prove, if handled as suggested by others, if I were you I would just edit my original post to make it a little more difficult to pinpoint the author.

Best of luck, and I hope you get a fair and honest resolution to your problems. Nothing sucks as much as working hard and getting the shaft at the same time!



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