Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55 Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4559 times:
There´s no shame in second place. In what you did there is nothing but. And in the last game of your career. Is that what you really wanted, to have the last thing millions of devoted fans see be you walking off the field in disgrace after a well-deserved red card, in the World Cup final? Did you really want to leave your team to take penalty kicks without you? You had it all, and could have had another world championship trophy on top of that - did you really want to throw it all away?
I hope not. I used to have so much respect for you. I´m still trying to. But I´m finding it so very difficult.
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Daleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4550 times:
Quoting Mir (Thread starter): Is that what you really wanted, to have the last thing millions of devoted fans see be you walking off the field in disgrace after a well-deserved red card, in the World Cup final?
I know, he should have flattened the referee and gone out with a bang!
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Bravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:
Here is what I said on the other thread, hope it helps:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 131):
I had been behind him and his team - up to that second. After that, Italy simply had to win.
I agree, then again simply stated, despite the great French team, the only team other than Brazil to be full of super stars has simply proved itself incapable of performing without ONE individual for the last THREE FREAKING World Cups!!! That is who Zidane is.
Despite what happened today, the French better give him a good farewell which he blew for himself and for his team in what I would call a very human moment. No one is perfect, he got carried away, but remember he is the one who won them their last world cup, this same team proved incapable of drawing a game against Senegal in the next world cup due to his injury and resulted in being thrown out of the tournament in the first round, a first for any defending champion and yet another 4 years later it was him and his game and leadership alone that brought them so close to winning this one, only to fail because he made one mistake.
Despite the fact that this incident will forever be remembered by those who have witnessed it, I think for now it tends to overshadows what Zidane is and what he has accomplished. The only example of which I have head of (non seen/don't remember) is Maradona and how led Argentina, the only difference, France had a bench full of super stars that just don't know how to perform together without the legendary leadership of Zidane.
Today was a tough day for him but it doesn't change his reputation for me one slight bit, yes it was a mistake but if anything it underlines his importance for this team.
Good luck to Zidane in retirement!!!!!!!
P.S I remember hearing, reading and myself believing that he is being a hero trying to come back from retirement despite such a strong French team, yet he proved himself yet again. The increasingly good performance of France in this world cup corresponds to the increasing good play by Zidane. So while it was horrible today, we have to take step back and take a look at the bigger picture. He is a human too and this mistake when looked at from a overall perspective, is overshadowed by what a great player he is.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11669 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:
Whilst what he did was unforgivable, he had to be provoked. It will be interesting to find out just what was said by the Italian player that made Zidane so angry that he would pull such a stupid stunt!
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Sabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4498 times:
He could have become Football World Champion and he could have become the King of France tonight! They had built him a monument and every single fucking newspaper in the world had written him to the king of football, unfortunately he decided to act like a fool!
You could have trown every insult at me in this situation, I only had laughed at you! This action was definitely the beginning of the end for the French team.
Absolutely unecessary and uncalled for! I respect that guy because he is (was) a world-class footballer but what he did today made me speachless, really!
RichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4498 times:
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 4): And why did you not get on the podium and received a medal like the rest of your team-mates? Isn't that your responsability as captain of the team?
Under FIFA rules, he wasnt allowed to.
Personally, I think he wanted to make the entire game about HIM, that headbutt is going to be the most talked about thing of the entire world cup and it gets him into the history books as one of only 4 people sent off in a WC final.
So I think he wanted it to be about him, and that was the only way he could do it - he wasnt going to score, he didnt want to be one of X number of people scoring a penalty, he wanted the spotlight on him totally and utterly.
That´s bullshit. Heartbreaking, yes. Gut-wrenching, yes. Something you lose sleep over? Yes. But there´s nothing shameful in playing 120 minutes of even football against a very good team and losing on penalty kicks, which we know to be something of a toss-up.
When France went out in the first round in 2002, that was a disgrace. Had they played the final against Saudi Arabia and lost, that would be a disgrace. But that wasn´t the case.
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QANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4372 times:
Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21): Could be but who the heck cares anymore? A pro footballer like Zizou should have laughed at him instead of getting overboard!
so..if i'm right this world cup and it's motto "Say No To Racism" has been a pointless exersize. I tell you what, if i was a sportsperson who was racially taunted i'd do the exact same. FIFA went out of there way to promote the "No Racism" message, seems it's fallen on deaf ears when it comes to Italy.
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: Maybe if fun stuff like this happened more often, soccer would be more popular.