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Zidane, Zidane.....  
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Why?

There´s no shame in second place. In what you did there is nothing but. And in the last game of your career. Is that what you really wanted, to have the last thing millions of devoted fans see be you walking off the field in disgrace after a well-deserved red card, in the World Cup final? Did you really want to leave your team to take penalty kicks without you? You had it all, and could have had another world championship trophy on top of that - did you really want to throw it all away?

I hope not. I used to have so much respect for you. I´m still trying to. But I´m finding it so very difficult.

Why?  Sad

-Mir


7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

What he did was wrong, but anything but 1st place is shameful.


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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

Quoting Mir (Thread starter):
Is that what you really wanted, to have the last thing millions of devoted fans see be you walking off the field in disgrace after a well-deserved red card, in the World Cup final?

I know, he should have flattened the referee and gone out with a bang!  Silly  duck 



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4550 times:

I have no respect for someone who does something like that. Sure, he was a great athlete, but that's not that important in the grand scheme of things.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

And why did you not get on the podium and received a medal like the rest of your team-mates? Isn't that your responsability as captain of the team?
You just come out as a bad loser.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 2):
I know, he should have flattened the referee and gone out with a bang!

Yeah, that sounds like Soccer right there.


User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Here is what I said on the other thread, hope it helps:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 131):
I had been behind him and his team - up to that second. After that, Italy simply had to win.


I agree, then again simply stated, despite the great French team, the only team other than Brazil to be full of super stars has simply proved itself incapable of performing without ONE individual for the last THREE FREAKING World Cups!!! That is who Zidane is.
Despite what happened today, the French better give him a good farewell which he blew for himself and for his team in what I would call a very human moment. No one is perfect, he got carried away, but remember he is the one who won them their last world cup, this same team proved incapable of drawing a game against Senegal in the next world cup due to his injury and resulted in being thrown out of the tournament in the first round, a first for any defending champion and yet another 4 years later it was him and his game and leadership alone that brought them so close to winning this one, only to fail because he made one mistake.
Despite the fact that this incident will forever be remembered by those who have witnessed it, I think for now it tends to overshadows what Zidane is and what he has accomplished. The only example of which I have head of (non seen/don't remember) is Maradona and how led Argentina, the only difference, France had a bench full of super stars that just don't know how to perform together without the legendary leadership of Zidane.
Today was a tough day for him but it doesn't change his reputation for me one slight bit, yes it was a mistake but if anything it underlines his importance for this team.
Good luck to Zidane in retirement!!!!!!!

P.S I remember hearing, reading and myself believing that he is being a hero trying to come back from retirement despite such a strong French team, yet he proved himself yet again. The increasingly good performance of France in this world cup corresponds to the increasing good play by Zidane. So while it was horrible today, we have to take step back and take a look at the bigger picture. He is a human too and this mistake when looked at from a overall perspective, is overshadowed by what a great player he is.


User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Zidane is known for losing control when someone is pushing hard on him.

That's no excuse but we should also condamn in a similar way this kind of attitude from the players who have pushed him.

Ultimately, opponents should not be allowed to talk to each other during the game !



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11669 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Whilst what he did was unforgivable, he had to be provoked. It will be interesting to find out just what was said by the Italian player that made Zidane so angry that he would pull such a stupid stunt!


...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 6):
No one is perfect, he got carried away

That wasn't getting carried away; that was a blatant attack on another player.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 6):
but remember he is the one who won them their last world cup,

Wasn't was suspended for 3 of those games because he stood on a Saudi.  Yeah sure

All in all though, an awful way to end it.  Sad


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

He could have become Football World Champion and he could have become the King of France tonight! They had built him a monument and every single fucking newspaper in the world had written him to the king of football, unfortunately he decided to act like a fool!

You could have trown every insult at me in this situation, I only had laughed at you! This action was definitely the beginning of the end for the French team.

Absolutely unecessary and uncalled for! I respect that guy because he is (was) a world-class footballer but what he did today made me speachless, really!

Patrick


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 4):
And why did you not get on the podium and received a medal like the rest of your team-mates? Isn't that your responsability as captain of the team?

Under FIFA rules, he wasnt allowed to.

Personally, I think he wanted to make the entire game about HIM, that headbutt is going to be the most talked about thing of the entire world cup and it gets him into the history books as one of only 4 people sent off in a WC final.

So I think he wanted it to be about him, and that was the only way he could do it - he wasnt going to score, he didnt want to be one of X number of people scoring a penalty, he wanted the spotlight on him totally and utterly.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21681 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4476 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 1):
anything but 1st place is shameful.

That´s bullshit. Heartbreaking, yes. Gut-wrenching, yes. Something you lose sleep over? Yes. But there´s nothing shameful in playing 120 minutes of even football against a very good team and losing on penalty kicks, which we know to be something of a toss-up.

When France went out in the first round in 2002, that was a disgrace. Had they played the final against Saudi Arabia and lost, that would be a disgrace. But that wasn´t the case.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Well, within minutes the internet's finest are hard at work:



Damn hayfever!



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 14):
Well, within minutes the internet's finest are hard at work:

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The cannonball one is the best!  rotfl 

Patrick


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 1):
but anything but 1st place is shameful.

Nothing in this tournament was so friggin shameful than beating up other players after loosing! 'nuff said!

Patrick


User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Poor Guy...he went out with a blaze.....sad but inexcuseable.

User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 14):
Well, within minutes the internet's finest are hard at work:

That's bloody GREAT!  rotfl 



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

http://zidaneowned.ytmnd.com/

Hahahha


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4418 times:

I'll guarantee you that Materazzi said something racial or to do with Zidane's muslim heritage...Italy is quite the racist country.


a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 20):
I'll guarantee you that Materazzi said something racial or to do with Zidane's muslim heritage...Italy is quite the racist country.

Could be but who the heck cares anymore? A pro footballer like Zizou should have laughed at him instead of getting overboard! That was not some stupid league game, it was the damned World Cup Final!!!

Patrick


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
Could be but who the heck cares anymore?

Check this for the source of QF077's rumour.  Wink



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4312 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4389 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 22):

I didn't say it, it was reported on ESPN international.

And BTW, the two players where suspended 4 games. And remember it was 2 players that got involved and not the entire team. It is sad you keep portraying it was otherwise.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4372 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 21):
Could be but who the heck cares anymore? A pro footballer like Zizou should have laughed at him instead of getting overboard!

so..if i'm right this world cup and it's motto "Say No To Racism" has been a pointless exersize. I tell you what, if i was a sportsperson who was racially taunted i'd do the exact same. FIFA went out of there way to promote the "No Racism" message, seems it's fallen on deaf ears when it comes to Italy.



a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
25 Post contains images WellHung : Maybe if fun stuff like this happened more often, soccer would be more popular.
26 Aloges : I'm portraying what otherwise?
27 QANTAS077 : i haven't read that thread...i was listening to Martin Tyler's comments, clearly Materazzi is givnig some lip in the footage after he was holding Zid
28 Aleksandar : I'm not sure about the rules, but a commentator here said that Zidane can't go on the podium and that he will receive the medal later on. Exactly. I
29 Bravo45 : I too am sure something so outrageous was said that made him loose his temper, he had been cool throughout the game, remember that penalty. Yes there
30 Flight85 : lol Zidane what a muppet.
31 Post contains links Derico : Yeah, so you also want to portray a whole country, I know. I noticed don't worry! Let's remember what happens when an Argentine team goes to Brazil a
32 Sabena332 : I played football (in low leagues) for 12+ years, and I can assure you that there is always a bit "sarcastically racism" between the players. We have
33 Derico : Aloges, my comment was originally for Sabena, not you.
34 QANTAS077 : FIFA is the muppet because it's gone out of it's way to promote a certain cause "no racism" yet something racially disturbing would likely have happe
35 Newark777 : No matter what was said on the field, it is no excuse for what he did, or any other physical attack. Period. Harry
36 Aloges : Care to elaborate what the hell you're talking about? Err... OK. So who was reply 31 directed at?
37 RichardPrice : Until its revealed what was said, theres no way anyone in here can say whether or not the FIFA 'racism' thing is defunct or not. Its ludicrous to try
38 Sabena332 : Will not happen, for a pro footballer is it "occupational risk" when you get injured on the field, no matter if it was caused while playing or while
39 Post contains images Aleksandar : Woow, you must be really
40 Post contains images Sabena332 : I started playing when I was 6 years old, but yes, I am getting old, 30 years next year . Patrick
41 Newark777 : Where do you draw the line then? If Zidane had started beating him and caused serious injury, would that still apply? I think at one point it becomes
42 Skyman : All of this racist talk is no excuse for Zidane. I mean he could have should them who is right on the field, but not in that kind of way. But it wasn`
43 Post contains links RichardPrice : Uh no, 'occupational risk' does not include assault. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...94290&in_page_id=1779&in_a_source= Quite damn right as we
44 Sabena332 : I don't know exactly, but I have never heard that one pro football player sues another pro footballer. It is very, very unlikely that this will have
45 Post contains images Aleksandar : Still younger than me. I'll be 33 in September
46 MartinairYYZ : Killing a guy and causing serious injury is, but a headbutt, really does occur in football. Also, I'd think that Materazzi said something very harsh
47 ZRH : Nonsense, bullshit, rubbish. This is one of the most stupid posts I ever read. If this is really your opinion I only can pity you.
48 Sabena332 : I pitty this dude since weeks already, just look at his other posts/threads regarding the World Cup, it's a great laughfest when you read them! Patri
49 Post contains images Newark777 : If that's the kind of behavior that "really does occur" in soccer, that is messed up. Respecting someone due to their athletic prowess is ridiculous.
50 QANTAS077 : you know as well as i do that that's not what i mean, your examples aren't even racial slurs to me, Zidane would probably think the same, i'd say it'
51 Kaddyuk : It is a shame for Zidane to be sacked from the field in his last ever Proffessional Football match but i have to say this... Well done for laying the
52 Redngold : First of all, I can't believe that I started my Sunday afternoon watching soccer. I hated playing soccer. For some reason, the World Cup intrigued me
53 Sabena332 : This were just harmless examples thus I put them in quotes, I am sure that nobody wants to hear the original insults that I threw on other players, a
54 Post contains images AviationMaster : We probably will never know the reason why Zidane lost his head, but you cannot say that he didn't say goodbye in (negative) style ... this farewell w
55 Falcon84 : Why? If he can't take some smack on the field from opposing players, then he's too thin-skinned. A lot of team sports have guys giving smack back and
56 Arsenal@LHR : It's a shame Zidane's career has ended in disaster, this wasn't the script many had hoped for. Zidane lost his temper in a fraction of a second, the I
57 Kaddyuk : No he didnt, Trezeguet did by hitting his ball on the crossbar... France weren't to score before penalties, zidane or no zidane...
58 Post contains links QANTAS077 : depends on what's said...and said Zidane didn't lose the game for France, his actions probably didn't help but that's something we'll never know, You
59 Sabena332 : QANTAS077, calm dowm. We don't know if it was a verbal racist attack on Zizou, you are just stirring the pot here but nobody of us has facts. Materazz
60 Newark777 : No, Zidane caused it himself, and he is by no means a victim. Trash talking is one thing, violence is another thing. Whatever the Italian player said
61 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Zidane is a complete arsewipe Lee
62 Post contains images Kaddyuk : But he's richer and far more skilled than you'll ever be...
63 BMIFlyer : Just what the hell is your problem?
64 Post contains images LIPH : You guys should see what is going on over here....!! It's a total mess !!!
65 Post contains images Newark777 : As far as you know. And being athletically gifted means little in my book. If that is what makes a good person in your eyes, go ahead living your sha
66 Kaddyuk : What the hell is yours? can you not read the sarcasm smilely? Muppet...
67 PeterPuck : Zindane...I applaud you. Rooney too! I watched so many shitty dives in the last three weeks, seeing a football player take some action for a change is
68 Kaddyuk : Exactly! I dont think there should be Red Cards in football... Sure, you foul someone, Free Kick... but they need sin bins like Ice Hockey & Rugby. T
69 Post contains images Sabena332 : But let's not forget the Portugal vs. Holland cardfest. Highly entertaining! Patrick
70 Post contains images Newark777 : His problem? He looks like this. Harry
71 Post contains images Kaddyuk : Oy you cheeky little fuckwit...
72 Post contains images Sabena332 : Will you guys stop it please? Thanks! A beer less next time! Patrick
73 Post contains images Newark777 : I'll stop, I don't want him to come over and headbutt me in the chest. Harry
74 Post contains images Aloges :
75 Post contains images BMIFlyer : He couldn't if he tried Lee
76 Post contains images Kaddyuk : Beer Less? I've not been drinking, just finished a 12hr shift... I'd skip the head butt to the chest and just break your (Oh So Pretty) nose
77 Jamie757 : Agreed here and I'm going to reserve judgement until I hear the other side of this discussion, for all we know, this could have been going on for the
78 Post contains images Sabena332 : In this case..... drink 10 (or more) beers as fast as you can! Patrick
79 QANTAS077 : what's also interesting is that the officials on the field only new of the incident via replay, it was then passed on to a 4th official who was advisi
80 Kaddyuk : They dont, but i think here, it proves that they should...
81 Post contains images Scbriml : Frankly there's only one person going on (and on, and on) about an alleged racist insult. Indeed he did. Lest anyone forget, it's not the first time
82 Rolfen : What's wrong with how you look? Ok... uhm I admit your facial expression is a bit... uhm but.. uh, never mind.
83 Rolfen : You cant really blame zindane. The guy heard a bit more insults then he was willing to take.
84 BMIFlyer : Haven't drunk anything since the MAN meet. Been working so.... Lee
85 Post contains images Sabena332 : See reply #78. Patrick
86 Post contains links USAFHummer : http://francefighter.ytmnd.com/ ...those 1990's videogamers among us should find this hilarious...I still cant stop laughing over this modification of
87 Newark777 : Yes, you can. He completely overreacted, and showed that he can't control his emotions. Harry
88 Post contains images Sabena332 : Awesome Keep them coming! Patrick
89 JAL : I don't know what Zidane was thinking with the headbutt but I'm glad Italy won!
90 PPVRA : Uh oh Corinthians. Half of their fans are convicts anyways, completely not a surprise.
91 Post contains links Racko : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKGcUr0S-FU Some scenes of the "victim" Materazzi. Zidane should have aimed for the nose instead. This guy and De Rossi
92 TinkerBelle : Get off whatever you're smoking. Don't ASSUME whatever was said was a racial slur.
93 Aloges : Uhm, hello?! the point is no one should aim at anyone!
94 Zootrix : Absolute disaster with France losing.....but what Zi-Zu did was wrong. But the Italians should've known better by keeping thier freak*ng paws to thems
95 Post contains links QANTAS077 : not smoking anything, nobody goes and does what Zidane without some provocation, you can see Materazzi clearly yapping at him as he is walking away..
96 Post contains images Newark777 : Best one yet. Has nothing to do with what Zidane did to him. Harry
97 AndesSMF : Hey, this world cup was one of the best ones I've seen, where no one could figure out the team that was going to come on top. The way the match was pl
98 Post contains links QANTAS077 : speculation has it that Materazzi called Zidane "a terrorist" good on him for taking a stand too. no trophy is worth winning if you have to put up wit
99 Rolfen : How low. This is why refs should use video replays.[Edited 2006-07-10 04:27:11]
100 Halls120 : wow. I didn't get to see the game live, but I DVR'ed it, and just got finished watching the head butt. What a complete moron Zidane was at that moment
101 Newark777 : Yeah, good for him, he took the spotlight off the name-caller by acting like a thug. And it was only that, name-calling. So you wouldn't go after the
102 QANTAS077 : i grew up with racism in Australia all my life, i don't need a tougher skin and for me no game is worth putting all my heart and soul on the line if
103 Newark777 : Except for Zidane, he should hang his head, for being dumb enough to put his team's chances for winning on the line, in order to hurt another player
104 Post contains images Klaus : Ceding the World Cup to the idiot who insulted you is an extraordinarily bad idea in my book. That's what it came down to. Nothing positive about it,
105 Post contains images Rolfen : Say, it would be nice to equip the players with little microphones devices, so they will watch their tongue
106 Post contains images Newark777 : They do that from time to time here in the states. Pretty interesting. Harry
107 Post contains images Thom@s : I didn't see him there myself, but he was certainly on the pitch after the match... Thom@s
108 Klaus : That photo was taken during the match right after he received his red card.
109 Post contains images Thom@s : Ah... looked like the podium was set up and everything... That explains it though. Thom@s
110 Klaus : No, that was just the pedestal for the cup next to the field entrance. He didn't even steal a look when he left the field...
111 Post contains images Milan320 : Exactly. Besides, Zizou played in Spain ... he should be used to racist taunts by now A total mess in Italy? Nooo, what else is different? -Milan320
112 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Is that supposed to be an excuse? Zidane badly needs some anger management counselling and deservingly belongs to Sport's Hall of Shame, right next t
113 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : He likes the color red?
114 Toulouse : But what provoked it Newark777? I catually don't agree with you RichardPrice. That's not Zidane's style, and all he's done is let down his country...
115 RichardPrice : Its quite amusing the lengths that you seem to be going to to try and justify Zidanes actions. Speculation? From whom? Who overheard what was said? H
116 Scbriml : QANTAS077, get off the racist highchair for goodness sake. Nothing that can be said can possibly justify Zidane's actions. As red a card as I've ever
117 Sebolino : You are totally wrong. Zidane was very wrong, and the red card was fully deserved. But this guy is known to be very kind and absolutely not violent.
118 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : "want" is simply the wrong word. The man suffered a bad fit of rage. Such fits are ALWAYS bad, because you then most likely do something stupid. it i
119 Milan320 : Rumours on football forums are now stating that Materazzi actually said something to Zizou about Zidane's mother. His mother is suffering from a term
120 Post contains images Oldeuropean : Are you kidding? Football is the most popular sport in the world! Axel[Edited 2006-07-10 09:52:10]
121 Post contains links QANTAS077 : then if FIFA had any bloody balls they'd get to the bottom of it, i'm not on a racist high horse, FIFA is the body who claimed that this tournament w
122 Baroque : Hopefully, the fat lady is yet to sing on the matter. Someone must know a fair bit of what happened. The TV coverage produced much less "interesting"
123 QANTAS077 : i remember that one...there was one with Sarwan where McGrath asked him "what does lara's dick taste like" Sarwan's reply "i dunno, ask your wife" Gl
124 Toulouse : I totally agree with you Sebolino. And while I am isappointed by what happened last night and Zidane's actions, I am sure there was a major provocati
125 Post contains images Scbriml : You're probably right. He's played in three World Cups and only been sent off for violent play in two of them.
126 Post contains images Scbriml : But that would make QANTAS077's campaign against "racist Materazzi" a waste of time. Oh wait...
127 ME AVN FAN : - well, as bad as his fit was, it revealed a human and sympathetic side of the person. Weakness in a way, no doubt, but quite human.
128 Post contains images AirbusA346 : ^^^^ If they don't then why did they ban Fringgs (hope I spelt his name correct), as far as I know FIFA would not have banned him from that match if
129 Post contains images Milan320 : Yesterday in Berlin we were walking near the Savignyplatz, to try find a good place to watch apart from that stinking and sweaty FanMail. Plus we want
130 Thom@s : Well, some conselation for the guy is that he has been voted player of the tournament. (Keeping in mind the votes were counted before last nights head
131 QANTAS077 : Zidane has won the Golden Ball prize for most outstanding player in the worldcup, well deserved too.
132 Scbriml : Good job the journalists voted for it at half-time. I suspect a few of them might have changed their minds afterwards. Doh!
133 Post contains images NIKV69 : No Monty it is not. Please keep your contempt for my ethnic background out of this post and don't generalize about a country you know little about. M
134 Post contains images Scbriml : On Radio 5 this morning in the UK they were running a competition to work out what Materazzi said to Zidane. The first entry was "Impressionism isn't
135 ME AVN FAN : I would NOT exaggerate in such a way. He sometimes has a problem with self-control and with hot and strong heavy emotions. BUT whenever he has retire
136 Milan320 : Strange on one hand you chastize Monty for generalizing and you do the same. Zidane has done it 3 times in his career. I wouldn't call that being a t
137 NIKV69 : Hmmm, head butting someone and stomping on someone's back. Yea I would agree. Fine, but I was responding to reply 117 and the others that were trying
138 ME AVN FAN : "stomping on someone's back" ?? too quick-tempered and too hot-headed, and so "mis-behaving" 3 or 4 times, but NOT the "brutalo" as which you want to
139 Kaddyuk : Because that was AFTER the match, they dont (normally) use video playback DURING matches
140 Post contains images HAWK21M : I wonder what was said to Zid,to warrant the Head Strike regds MEL
141 ZRH : It seems that you don't understand anything about football. Why do watch it? Such brutal actions have nothing to do with football and there is NO exc
142 NIKV69 : Actually I would rather watch the video from yesterday. Especially when Fabio Grosso drilled the last shot to clinch! Oh I get it Monty, I guess you
143 Toulouse : NIKV69, It's great your happy Italy won but stop talking such rubbish and speaking blindly. We do not know what Materazzi said, but I think most peop
144 NIKV69 : Really? Check with Monty, he seems to know exactly what he said and knows exactly how the entire Italian team behaves as far a race goes. Do you know
145 Post contains images Scbriml : While I agree that Zidane was a great player, he had an "edge" that doesn't sit comfortably with those that hold him up as some kind of saint. To say
146 EZEIZA : Italy wins the cup and Zidane voted player of the tournament. i am happy cause i love Zidane's style and talent, but what Materrazzi said is pointless
147 Post contains images QANTAS077 : i don't have a cape on but 2+2 doesn't make 5, he's clearly spurting out something to Zidane and 2 seconds later he's on the floor. Now, Materazzi ha
148 Frequentflyer : Agreed. He lost it, pure and simple. A real disgrace to his fans and his Team. Congratulations to Italy!
149 NIKV69 : Monty it is not like that at all, and your pretty smart enough to know it. Athletes talk shit all the time, in every sport. It is not done with any r
150 ME AVN FAN : "banned for many games" sounds like revenge-justice, while what is done generally is rather reprimanding "misbehaving" players. And while there may b
151 Scbriml : Nobody is disputing that trash talking was going on - you only have to look at the film. However, as far as I know, you're the only person who has, w
152 QANTAS077 : you come down here for example and racially villify someone on a sports field and you'll be hung out to dry faster then you can imagine, players are
153 Rolfen : Would it be possible to use the video footage and zidane's testimony to try to read on materazzi's lips?
154 Mir : A few thoughts to add after having been out of the thread for so long: I don´t dispute that Materazzi is an asshole. And I don´t doubt that Zidane w
155 Post contains links Milan320 : Maybe we'll find out even this week went went on: Fair use: Zinedine Zidane's agent says the France captain headbutted Marco Materazzi in Sunday's Wor
156 Derico : According to Argentine TyC reporter Cristian Martin (TyC is one of the world's largest sport networks), in an unedited, unaired video close-up of the
157 RichardPrice : Regardless of the reason, theres no justification - he should have been the better man and left it, raising a complaint with FIFA after the match. Ju
158 Baroque : Thank you, your memory of that is better than mine. And your better account makes the point more clearly too. The first bit that emerged was the Sarw
159 Post contains images Ezeiza : There are two separate actions here: 1) what Materazzi said to Zidane and 2) Zidane's reaction. Materazzi probably insulted ZZ, maybe called him terro
160 Legoguy : Well despite what happened last night...Zidane has just been named as the best player in this years world cup...
161 Mhodgson : Probably because the journalists that voted for him voted during half time of the 90 minutes, before the big event.
162 EZEIZA : ... which is a big kick in the butt for FIFA's "fair play".
163 Legoguy : True. Although before last night he had played brilliantly, however after getting sent off...Does hes eally deserved to be named player of the world
164 ME AVN FAN : I suppose THIS exactly is his problem. As great a player he is, as great a person he is, he is a highly emotional person tending to be quick-tempered
165 Milan320 : FIFA's fair play has gone out the window years ago. Sepptic Blatter's head should roll first, then all the divers and cheaters and then we can talk a
166 Lhrmaccoll : He finished his professional career in disgrace. Acted like a stereotypical thug. Shame on you Zidane. Congratulations Italy!
167 Post contains images Milan320 : Wouldn't want you to be a member of my family RichardPrice. I guess you wouldn't be standing up for me
168 Milan320 : Apparently the votes were open until midnight last night this time around. -Milan320
169 Windshear : I agree, they had a long conversation, then M told Z some things, Z walked away as he normally does, but then... I really hope Zidane will make some
170 ME AVN FAN : Sepp Blatter is a very efficient and active person, only somewhat corrupt .... but what can we do ! no, he just acted like an emotional quick-tempere
171 Post contains links Scbriml : The BBC reported that the majority of votes were cast at half-time. I don't suppose there was any mechanism to recast or recall a vote previously cas
172 Post contains links and images Pyrex : http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/S...2006/07_Luglio/10/pop_zidane.shtml It has started...
173 Fumanchewd : What an idiot. It doesn't matter what was said to him, he let the other player get into his head. He doesn't have control of his temper, lost his head
174 Post contains images NIKV69 : So let me get this straight. If this comes out to be fact. FIFA should punish Materazzi for calling Zidane an "Argelian piece of shit"? Sorry I don't
175 Post contains images BR076 : ROFLLMFAO :D Hilarious
176 VonRichtofen : The Italian probably deserved it. Sure other teams have players who take dives here and there. But nobody does it on a scale the Italians do. Not to m
177 Post contains links and images Milan320 : Well there is one thing that we can confirm and that is that Materazzi is pretty stupid to begin with. Fair use: "It is absolutely not true, I did not
178 FDXmech : It's not Zidanes fault. His coaches apparently never explained to him, "There's is no "I" in "TEAM". What a *jagoff.*
179 Cedars747 : I read in yahoo Argentina that Materazzi told Zizou "sucio terrorista" or "Nasty terrorist".In this case Zizou preferred to fits for his honour and di
180 UALPHLCS : Here here well said. Typical looking for ways to excuse unprofessional behavior. He got a red card and he deserved it. FYI his team WASN'T losing at
181 OzGlobal : Uhmm, hello. Earth to the US..... 1 billion people watched the final. If a country representing 4% of earth's population aren't too keen, well, the w
182 StarAC17 : Then why a headbutt why not do punch him in the face or chest and kick him in the nuts. A true intent to injure would be in what happens in hockey wh
183 Post contains links Blrsea : Zidane provoked by very serious jibe, says agent
184 Ezeiza : Excuse me but did you just call Italians biggest pussies in the sport? Do you really, honestly think that a world cup can be won by being pussies? Yo
185 Cedars747 : It looks like Materazzi insisted in provoking Zizou.Maybe he knew in advance that insulting the honour of his sister" a man of Arab and Muslim origin
186 Milan320 : If that's the case the guy should have some respect. It's one thing to rile people up on the pitch, it's another about respecting one's ethnic cultur
187 SA006 : Guys. I'm surprised no one has mentioned this. What I feel has been the worst factor in this world cup is the lack of CONSISTENCY with refereeing. Eve
188 Post contains images NIKV69 : Nothing, he retired. Oh my! Calling his sister a whore! Well of course he should have been head butted! Don't pay any mind to this stuff. It's obviou
189 Cedars747 : Of course Milan320.From a cultural and ethnic point of view,Zizou is a real hero by opting to defend his sister honour.What i cant get it is that the
190 Post contains images Ezeiza : Usually I don't, but that was a bit too insulting, even for me, although I don't go head butting anyone I know, and I think that this makes the victo
191 Post contains images Milan320 : Actually I believe the Italians invented diving. Though I'd point that out ... -Milan320
192 Cedars747 : Coming out from EZEIZA , with an Italian flag and "insultado en una cancha delante de tus amigos" come on Ezeiza,i am sure you will do the same as Zi
193 Planesarecool : Not sure if its been mentioned (can't be bothered to read the whole thread), but apparently Materazzi said, "I slept with your mum last night. She's a
194 Ncfc99 : The BBC news has reported that the Italian player wished an ugly death upon Zidanes family on the day he learnt his mother was ill, then finished it o
195 Post contains images NIKV69 : Wow, funny how what he said changes as we go here. Monty, where is all this racism you are talking about?
196 Post contains images FXramper : ONE MORE TIME!
197 Post contains images QANTAS077 : anymore naive and you'd be evian...Funny how he's said it to a player with moslem heritage and beliefs..if the comments are correct then Marco got wh
198 NIKV69 : Your the one who is naive Captain Racism. If you seriously think anyone is going to believe that Materazzi's comments was racially motivated and was
199 Pbottenb : Well said. That is why the number 42 is retired on EVERY team in Major League baseball.
200 QANTAS077 : hmmm... "fuck you your mother is an algerian whore" "i wish a horible death on your family" "go fuck yourself" from the BBC...you call that trash tal
201 EZEIZA : Hola Alex! Not during a world cup final where my whole country is depending on me to take them to victory. Sorry, but a professional like Zidane shou
202 Dougloid : Seems to me like a tempest in a teapot. I cannot imagine anyone getting off so lightly if he insulted say, Deacon Jones or Jack Tatum that way. They'd
203 QANTAS077 : i never said racism was confined to Italy...i said Italy is just as bad as any other nation when it comes to racism, but it has a far darker history
204 NIKV69 : Monty has anyone told you to go fuck yourself? Or made fun of your mother? Of course they have. Did you head butt them? Did you call them racist? Com
205 QANTAS077 : so...wishing death upon someones family is out of line and i agree with you on that, but what about the racial slur? FIFA should be getting bent out
206 Fumanchewd : And that would be great for you in any contact sport...but soccer isn't supposed to be one. Thus you would be a terrible player.
207 EZEIZA : What the hell does Mussolini have to do with Italy winning the 2006 WC or with Zidane? it is a fact that Mussolini was in power until 1943, now it's
208 Post contains links AirRyan : Be honest people - do a little research on Zizou and check out the amount of racist remarks he has had to endure on and off the pitch throughout his c
209 Baroque : Why should this be tolerated?
210 Baroque : Impressive post, not much left to say.
211 Post contains images Aircraft : Because soccer is boring to watch.
212 Theredbaron : After reading countless thread here on A net where some of us blow a fuse after a mere ironic comment it is wildly hipocritical to play judge on ZZ !!
213 Post contains links AirRyan : Chelsea defender William Gallas from France certainly has some choice words to say to Materazzi and the Italian squad! I like when Gallas points out t
214 EZEIZA : Still crying over that??? The red cards were deserved, all of them. hmm, i notice you forgot to mention he gave a undeserved red card to Materazzi at
215 Post contains links Milan320 : So now the plot thickens it seems. The Times Online who hired a professional lip reader, states the following: After an exhaustive study of the match
216 Toulouse : Scbriml, what are you talking about. The whole world is intrigued by what Materazzi said and many are already slurring him. Rubbish, rubbish, and RUB
217 Scbriml : The headbutt is Zidane's preferred method of assaulting another player. He was suspended for 5 Champions League games previously. They can still fine
218 Fumanchewd : LOL! These guys are uneducated jocks. What do you expect? He became violent at a time when his team needed him over someone's words. Pathetic. If he
219 Post contains images Milan320 : And this is Materazzis way of doing things: Plus possible racial slurs or family slander for 118 minutes without a referee noticing? I think Zidane w
220 QANTAS077 : you answered correctly...when we were teenagers that kind of stauff was thrown about among friends and we thought nothing of it, sacred turf was when
221 VC10 : If an English supporter had done this in the crowd the German police would have arrested him, he would have been villified in the press at home, his p
222 Post contains images EZEIZA : true, but let's be real here. In football, and in most professional sports, on field bitching and insults happen all the time. Right or wrong, it's r
223 Baroque : Nice post. This is the key, most of the single red cards seemed to be missing the "partner in the crime". With better camera and mike techniques, it
224 JoeCattoli : I'd under subscribe it all. Zidane isn't an example of reaction if it's been a racist comment as you said. Yeah!!! You're right, but it's been more m
225 Milan320 : Maybe Joe, but it wasn't Italy on Sunday night and they weren't playing against an Italian team. Maybe it's ok in Italy to insult your mother but Mat
226 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Please, cut that preaching, will you? Don't tell me you are THAT naive to believe that crap? They are, as someone already pointed out, uneducated joc
227 ME AVN FAN : SHOULD is the word, but not the reality. Also intelligent people at times happen to be overtaken by heavy emotions. YES, it is HUMAN, simply a dark s
228 EZEIZA : Since no one bothered to answer, I will ask this one more time because I am interested in having an answer to the following questions:
229 SA006 : If anyone bothered reading my reply (reply 187) , I mentioned all of this and I fully agree. Good post. I respect and agree with your views. I'm espe
230 Post contains images YooYoo : yep. losing a semi-final game is not good. Not really, as they lost their most important game. And took the world champs to penalties. You won, take
231 Post contains images EZEIZA : No such thing as "should have" in football
232 TheSorcerer : So NIKV69 you think racism is acceptable? Dominic
233 Post contains images JoeCattoli : Let's show at all the world that if someone says something bad to you you have to headbutt him and punch him yeah... Let's all fight between themselv
234 AirRyan : I've actually always rather liked Italian football (Inter Milan jersey I bought back in 99 in Mallorca when I was in the Marines) but now that I learn
235 Post contains images NIKV69 : Oh sure I do! Jeez, will you people open your eyes! What Materrazzi did was not racism! He made an a comment on the pitch that trust me has been said
236 Ezeiza : Believe me there is corruption at some level im most top leagues throughout the world. At least in this case they are doing something about it. Oh no
237 Pyrex : Can you make French wine out of sour grapes?
238 UALPHLCS : What's done is done Zidane showed the world his ass when he headbutted the other player, for all of the valid reasons I and others have expounded on.
239 YVRlonghauler : In the end, all of this happened because FIFA has allowed it to. Just look at the video link by Milan320 (post 219). It says it all. If FIFA allows pe
240 EZEIZA : not this time. This time, his "way of doing things" was first of all to score the euqalizer of the world cup final, and then provoke the opponents' t
241 Milan320 : This time, his "way of doing things" was resort to possible racist comments. But hey that's ok. He's done it in the past (with Marc Zoro) and he'll d
242 ME AVN FAN : - "uneducated" is possibly slightly exaggerated. Many of them might be fine bus drivers ! And I in the past HAVE heard bus-drivers losing temper, whi
243 BartiniMan : SO far most comments have been along the lines of "...yes he was provoked BUT he shouldn't have done what he did" etc etc.. I say bullshit, It isn't Z
244 Marco : Zidane should be ashamed of himself. This is football, players always tease each other. Suck it up and be a man. I'm glad he got a red card and I'm gl
245 ME AVN FAN : racist family verbal assaults are NOT "teasing" a man he is, but unfortunately a quick-tempered hot-headed person No, there can neither be excuse nor
246 Post contains images Thom@s : Quick question: Did the two teams pose with the "Say no to racism" banner before kick off, as has been done in previous WC matches? Thom@s
247 Marco : racist family verbal assaults are NOT "teasing" Yet to be determined. Some lip readers are saying he swore at his sister, some at his mom, etc ... and
248 ME AVN FAN : I have NOT met anybody who JUSTIFIES his behaviour, as it clearly was gross MIS-behaviour he simply reacted WRONGLY, which was very sad. "Savage" is
249 Marco : As a spectator what I saw was a savage act. I'm merely describing what I thought. Whether this is rhetorical or not its not my intention. I was disapp
250 QANTAS077 : if you need to retaliate by calling somones mother an "algerian/terrorist/whore" when someone says, "you can have the shirt after the game" then your
251 BartiniMan : Now, am I the only one that thinks Materazzi over-reacted in his fall. When contact was made, sure there was quite a bit of force involved, but once M
252 Post contains links Kay : Zidane headbutts the rest of the Italian team!!!!!! check this link! http://www.gazzetta.it/openxlink.shtml?http://widelec.org/zidane.html
253 Pyrex : Dude, he was so caught by surprise by all it he didn't even have time to dive had he wanted to. He never knew what hit him. Well obviously you never
254 Post contains images Thom@s : Funny. Only for a few seconds, but funny. Thom@s
255 EZEIZA : NO NO NO! First of all, we don't know for a fact what he said. But also, if he did say that, it's not with racist motivation, it's to piss the oppone
256 LTU932 : Actually they didn't. I believe they only did that for the quaterfinals and not for other games.
257 Milan320 : Sorry EZEIZA but how can you justify that in a football match using taunts about race and ethnicity is perfectly fine in order to piss off an opponen
258 HKA : I think ZZ has been punished enough for his behaviour. What about meterrazi ? If he indeed made a recist remark or called ZZ a terrorist, he should be
259 EZEIZA : I'm not saying its fine, I'm saying it happens, and not with a racial intent. ZZ has been around way too much to do what he did, especially because h
260 ME AVN FAN : The matter in question is NOT "trash talk". And Spaghetti is a meal and NOT to be compared with elQaeda. I however would appeal for relative leniency
261 EZEIZA : exactly, and reality in football is that trash talk happens all the time. Even if he called him a terrorist, the sole intent was to piss ZZ off, tras
262 Klaus : ...and if he crossed the line of what's prohibited on the field, consequences for Materazzi and his team could equally become "reality". We'll see ho
263 EZEIZA : That's what I'm saying is reality and provoking opponents is common. What are those lines? Maybe the player, not the team.
264 EZEIZA : I just read that Materazzi said that he did not insult Zidane's mother or sister, and that he himself lost his mom when he was 15. Also that he did no
265 Post contains links Klaus : According to the FIFA Disciplinary Code: and also It may be difficult to prove in most cases, but it could be that the italian team has gotten a litt
266 EZEIZA : Klaus, from what I'm getting of what you posted, all I am seeing is the possible punishment of the player. I don't see anything related to the team, u
267 Post contains images Klaus : Can't say for sure - but if a significant infraction influenced the outcome of the game, I guess they'd look for consequences... Good idea...! But se
268 Post contains images EZEIZA : But then France should be penalized too because of Zidane's reaction, so that would leave as world champion .. Germany! Ah, now I see where your head
269 Baroque : Except that the technology for the games was not good enough to provide the evidence we see and hear with Union, AFL and league. It is a bit like the
270 Post contains images Joness0154 :
271 BartiniMan : Who the f*ck is playing Aikido in the WC final? As for the physics comment, you just proved how much you know, go on emberass yourself a bit more. Ri
272 Post contains links Milan320 : Nevertheless, it should be outlawed at all costs. If it takes a ZZ to do something like that and bring it even more to light on the world stage, stan
273 ME AVN FAN : sorry, it does NOT work this way. While verbal nonsense DOES happen also fouls do happen. A major rule in football is that a fould (in many cases) re
274 ME AVN FAN : Don't exxagerate. He did a mistake, a very bad mistake. But not more. - AND he will become a coach, a referee or a leading functionary in Football, i
275 EZEIZA : So far, you blaming materazzi is also based on your immagination. You don't know what happened or what was said. Fair enough, but it's still one man'
276 ME AVN FAN : and, WHO fell down on his back ? - No, I simply dislike the moralizing aspects. Both behaved badly, one uttered nonsense, the other one got mad and v
277 Milan320 : Yes, but you have to agree that his record of fair play is much cleaner than the likes of the Matrix and many others. Why I respect the likes of the
278 Post contains links and images NoUFO : Is the one scoring in the video you? Looks like a pretty low league to me. http://www.onzin.com/view.php?id=2006 If yes, is it dificult to learn the
279 EZEIZA : There we agree. FIFA should not get involved as it is a clear case. Red card to an aggression. Simple. The only reason FIFA is doing this is to see w
280 ME AVN FAN : - isn't that a bit childish ? and who really cares about that trophy ? - Interesting is that ZZ in France, in spite or even just because of his appar
281 Post contains images EZEIZA : No one but FIFA, because they know that what has been done is against their "fair play", especially being such a high profile player during the sinlg
282 Milan320 : OK, but EZEIZA, don't be so Italian-centric. The match was neither played in Italy nor is Zidane Italian (even though he played there). What's ok in
283 BartiniMan : Well said in both posts Milan320. Judging by people's comments so far, you as a professional football player have the right to verbally abuse a perso
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