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Bush: I Will Not Meet Arafat  
User currently offlineLY772 From Israel, joined Aug 2001, 1340 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush will not see Yasser Arafat at
the United Nations this weekend, believing the Palestinian leader
does not take seriously the U.S. war on terrorism and the al-Qaida
terror network, national security adviser Condoleezza Rice said
Thursday.

``There are responsibilities that come with being the
representative of the Palestinian people and that means to make
certain that you do everything you can to lower the level of
violence, everything that you can to root out terrorists,'' Rice
said.

``These are responsibilities that we have asked Chairman Arafat
to take and to take seriously. We still don't think there has been
enough in that regard.''

Referring to two militant Islamic groups that the State
Department has branded as terrorist organizations, Rice
continued in a clipped tone: ``You cannot help us with al-Qaida and
hug Hezbollah - that's not acceptable - or Hamas. The president
continues to make that clear to Mr. Arafat and there are no plans
to meet with Mr. Arafat in New York.''

On Saturday, Bush addresses the U.N. General Assembly, a special
session that had originally been scheduled for the final week of
September but was rescheduled after the terrorist attacks on
New York and Washington. In that speech, the president will
reaffirm his commitment to fighting terrorism ``and the regimes
that harbor it,'' Rice said.

On Sunday, he attends, with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan,
an observance at the wreckage of the World Trade Center, two
months after the attacks.

Bush will use his two days in Manhattan to meet separately with
Annan and a handful of world leaders, including Pakistani leader
Gen. Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf is a key Muslim ally in the U.S.
military campaign against suspected terrorist mastermind Osama
bin Laden, his al-Qaida network, and his allies within Afghanistan's
ruling Taliban.

Rice said the United States is ``agnostic'' about the composition
of a post-Taliban government, provided it is broadly based and
represents the people of the South Asian country.

While Arafat has expressed support for the U.S. anti-terror
campaign, the Bush administration complains that he has not done
enough to curb Palestinian attacks on Israel. Bush leveled his
demand for action in a letter to Arafat last month and has not
once invited him to the White House.

Rice, in previewing Bush's diplomatic agenda at the United Nations,
was notably harsh on Arafat. But she also criticized Israel,
specifically for closing its borders to Palestinian workers from
the West Bank and Gaza.

Nabil Shaath, a close adviser to Arafat, said at the State
Department earlier Thursday that the Palestinian leader had not
decided whether to go to the special session of the U.N. General
Assembly at all.

But after meeting with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Shaath
said there is no alternative to a forceful U.S. presence if there is
to be peace between Israel and the Palestinians. He declined to
say whether the United States is preparing an initiative.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has canceled his attendance to
remain in Israel and address security problems there. Foreign
Minister Shimon Peres will head Israel's delegation.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

Bush needs to convence those elderly Jewish voters in Florida to vote for him in 2004.

Bush could careless about peace in the Middle East.

Bush is an idiot!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Bush is an idiot!

I second the motion!



The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1571 times:

I bet Gore would have cared alot more about peace in the middle east right?  Yeah sure

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

KROC:
Actually, he wouldn't.
It would all be the samething. The only difference is that we would know that the President (Gore) would be making the deciscions and not advisors that we don't know.
Dems & Reps are the samething especially when it comes to International Affairs.
It's time to tear down this predatory capitalist regime and it's gurellas worldwide and the people will rise up!
Come join Superfly's efforts for the World's Uprising!  Big thumbs up



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1566 times:

While I agree with practically nothing Superfly has said on this point, I must point out that staunch conservatives have lately been making it quite clear they would be completely second guessing and criticizing the efforts of a President Gore had the shoe made it to the other foot. So touche'.

As to the original post, who cares. Nine tenths of us in America are still attempting to figure out why hundreds of people are dying in defense of a stretch of scrubby land that looks like the slummy parts of San Diego County.


User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Superfly. Gore himself would not be making the decisions all on his own. He would be making them the same way Bush is...with his team of advisors, cabinet, Chiefs Of Staff, ect. Don't try to feed me lins that Gore would be in charge of everything. The presidency is not just one man.....

User currently offlineLortab 7.5mg From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 805 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

Come join Superfly's efforts for the World's Uprising!

Down with the Imperialist running-dogs!!! Workers of the world UNITE!!!

Viva la revolucion!  Big grin  Big thumbs up





The Internationale [variant words in square brackets]

Arise ye workers [starvelings] from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth [forthwith] the old tradition [conditions]
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty [give up their booty]
And give to all a happier lot.
Each [those] at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.

 Big grin Big grin Big grin


User currently offlineIainhol From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1556 times:

I think after seeing the people of Palestinian partying after the attacks on 9-11 I do not see why would should even care!
Iain


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

"Bush is an idiot!"

OK, so he is the US President with the lowest IQ in decades, so what? He's not the only idiot in the world...

LY744.



Pacifism only works if EVERYBODY practices it
User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Finally we know the Bush administration is actually commited to fighting ALL terrorism around the world instead of choosing the route of appeasement.

User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

BTW Lortab, you shouldn't post that garbage on these forums.

User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

KROC is right, no president ever makes ALL the decisions by himself, thank god. That would make no sense at all.

User currently offlineG Dubya From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

OK, so he is the US President with the lowest IQ in decades

 Sad




User currently offlineStratofish From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1053 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Wrong signal! If he really cared about his coalition against terrorism and wants to convince the arab world then Arafat would be the first he has to meet. He´s got to invite Arafat to D.C. now that would be a signal that their trying to get to the core of problems. Talk to people who represent them.
A missed chance.



The Metro might be the Sub(optimal)way
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Very good. By not meeting with that international terrorist he sets an example.
Arafat is responsible for more terrorist acts, killing more people, than bin Laden yet for some reason he's treated like a regular head of state (which he is not, of course).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Arafat has been to D.C. several times ,and it hasn't done any good. Why is it gonna start now? It's not. We should just let them all kill each other, and worry about our own people.

User currently offlinePendrilsaint From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (13 years 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1504 times:

Lets face it people...Presidents are rarely as stupid as they same...Clinton came off as a good ole boy from arkansas when he was a rhodes scholar...and Jimmy Carter was put on the platform as "the peanut farmer from Georgia"...for gods sakes the man was a nuclear physicist!!!! As stupid as the media makes Bush look...or for what his unrehearsed saying do to his image...I seriously doubt the man is stupid...and for God's sake...do you really think that if Gore was in office he would be calling the shot and not behind the scenes advisors?? Yeah right...You are lying to yourself if you say that...

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

I think after seeing the people of Palestinian partying after the attacks on 9-11 I do not see why would should even care!

That was old footage of another event. The Palestinian people also morn the tragic events of 9/11. That was the propaganda machine up to its usual dirty work.

Of course Al Gore wouldn't have been a one-man show. Dubya man is a no man show. He is just a prop and that's it.
I stand behind my earlier comments. Bush is still an idiot and terrorism will still be a problem when he leaves office.




Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

Superfly: How is Bush an idiot? If he was a Democrat, you would sing his praises. Also, if Gore was president, he would be nothing more than a prop as well. As fpr terrorism, no man, or country will eliminate all terrorism, but at least Bush and his regime have taken a definate stand against all terrorism, and are starting the ball rolling in taking the needed steps to at least cut down terrorism, and make the U.S. less vulneralbe to terrorist attacks. You can post all you want based you this hatred you have for all non-Democrats, but are we really supposed to give your posts legitiment consideration?

User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

"That was old footage of another event. The Palestinian people also morn the tragic events of 9/11. That was the propaganda machine up to its usual dirty work."

Your proof? I have proof that it isn't, and was taken the day of the attacks. I will do a search again. There was a chain letter on the net that said it was old, but that was started by some student in Brazil who had nothing to back it up and he has since retracted his statement after his university was contacted by Reuters (and others). I will find an article or something.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (13 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

Oh come on KROC!

I do not hate non-Democrats. I am not turning this into a Dem. vs. Rep. fight OK. Both parties have a vested interest in the Middle East. I will support any efforts to stop terrorism Bush or Gore. This foolish act by Dubyaman is not a step in the right direction. This move is just a move to gain positive press and be seen as 100% pro-Israel. He saw how his papa took a beating for being a little more fair-minded with the Palestine/Israel fuss.
I don't want to get into that because I think that issue as been discuss to death. Even Johan is sick of seeing it, that's why the last one has been locked and archived.

BTW, not all Reps. are idiots OK. Peter King is a good man!  Smile



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineThe747Man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Bush is certainly not an idiot. He is handling this situation exellently.

Gore on the other hand would be like:

Come on Talibannnnnnn, quit being so mean to us, waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Then he would give money to a tree!


 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40011 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (13 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1484 times:

Whistler:
Your right it wasn't old, but it wasn't in celebration for the attacks either.

I'll post the full story later. My friend who owns a coffee shop here in the city told all about that story.
Again, the Palestinians morn the events of 9/11 like the rest of the civilized world.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Bush is handling this situation? Geez I thought it was Rumsfeld, Tommy Thompson and Ashcroft.

I still give the President high marks for the weeks following 9/11, but question marks are starting to form. He needs to be more visible. And I get the impression he's relying on a slew of solidly two dimensional reactivists, particularly in the military. I fear the brass think Dubya has given them a golden pass to diddle all they want. I have to hope alone that these precious few weeks between the start of the campaign and the start of the brutal Afghan winter haven't been wasted, though I'm not so sure.

Einstien said imagination is more important than knowledge. Dubya needs more imagination in his top echelons, and that's one thing these guys sorely lack.

Me....I would have pushed out about two dozen 'Daisy Cutters' on day one. We knew where the pricks were.


25 Post contains images Whistler : If any of you seriously think the Democrats would have handled a military campaign better the Bush then you have some serious problems . Remember Clin
26 IrishFlyer : Hell, I wouldnt meet Arafat-ass either. ~IrishFlyer~
27 KROC : Arafat and the Palestinians are far from seriously mourning the events of 9-11. Superfly, you want Bush to support Arafat, but where is Arafats suppor
28 Deltaflyertoo : Enough IS ENOUGH!! I agree with that comment, but, it goes for Israel as well. The original post said Bush isn't meeting w/ Arafat, well hell, he shou
29 Clipperhawaii : For a person who has over 3600 posts on here and for that person to call the President of the United States an idiot is very interesting! Makes you wo
30 Trvlr : If I were president and didn't have to bow to public pressure (not only from Jewish voters, which probably make up only a small portion of the reason
31 Trvlr : God...please excuse the horrid grammar and subject-structure in my last post. I typed it too quickly lol. Aaron G.
32 Post contains images Superfly : Trvlr: That's OK, we understand what you meant to say. I hate when threads turn into Democrat vs. Republican. Those evil terrorist could careless who
33 Jwenting : If there must be a meeting with the PLO for something, a lower ranking person can handle it (like a deputy secretary for foreign affairs or something)
34 KROC : Superfly wouldn't know anything about the Jewish vote if a rabbi explained it to him 14 times. Bush has already gone on the record saying he suports a
35 LY744 : Superfly: "That was old footage of another event." Stop lying. You know that's not true. Some people tried to cover for the outrageous behaviour of so
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