AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 6 Posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1915 times:
Sorry folks, the other thread on Zidane was taking too long to load and I wanted to just narrow my World Cup comments to the Zidane/Materazzi incident. By now I am sure most of you all have heard that FIFA will launch a formal investigation into the Zidane incident, and according to the "Free" encyclopedia Wikipedia, Italy "could" lose their World Cup trophy!
Quite frankly, it's obvious that Italian soccer heading into the World Cup was in disarray for their confirmed illicit fixing of the top teams, and it would only be ironic poetic justice for FIFA to show they are serious against racism and take the trophy away from Italy. We all know that Materazzi slurred Zidane, he even admits it himself - but of course the debate will be was it racist or not and to what level of severity will FIFA actually levy?
On July 11, 2006, FIFA declared its intent to officially investigate the incident with Zidane. An Amendment regarding discrimination to Art. 55, Par. 4 of the FIFA Disciplinary Code stipulates that "if any player, official or spectator publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates someone in a defamatory manner on account of race, colour, language, religion or ethnic origin, or perpetrates any other discriminatory and/or contemptuous act" and can be attributed to a certain team, the team in question faces deduction of points in the group stage resp. disqualification in the knockout stage.
The new provisions had been adopted on 28 March 2006 and may lead to the FIFA Executive Committee imposing harsh sanctions and even disallowing Italy's team the World Cup victory if Materazzi is convicted of having insulted Zidane with racial slurs.
"I did insult him, it's true," Materazzi said in Tuesday's Gazzetta dello Sport. "But I categorically did not call him a terrorist. I'm not cultured and I don't even know what an Islamic terrorist is."
So what does this say about Materazzi? A) he's guilty of insulting Zidane and it is evident that it must have been severe enough to Zidane that it resulted in him head butting him. Remember folks, racism isn't about what you think a word might mean to someone else, it's what it means to those who hear it. B) It also proves that either Materazzi is incredibly stupid (which I don't think is the case) or he is obviously dodging the truth (like a coward) by trying to assert that he has no idea as to what an Islamic terrorist is. Italy is one of the United States strongest European allies on the War on Terror - I'm going to go out on a limb here and call Materazzi on this - that's bullsh!t buddy.
Quote: He added: 'For me the mother is sacred, you know that.'
Even Materazzi acknowledges that there are of course boundaries when it comes to taunting and insulting on the pitch.
You have to ponder this - FIFA made significant attempts to curb racism in this latest World Cup yet when it came down to the final match, it seemed to be all to no avail. So what better way would FIFA have than to disqualify Italy and their style of play from the World Cup victory and blame it on racism? Do you think that might just be large enough to get people's attention on the issue?
Think about it - most people would probably generally still regard Italy as the champion anyways and the game is in the past - but FIFA has to be concerned about what it can do for the future of the game. While perhaps technically Italy would have the Cup title revoked for an ailment (racism) that we all know to be detriment to the vitality of the game and for that - what better way for FIFA to forever lay down the law for all to see and abide by for the future on out.
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 6 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1878 times:
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Interesting that that part about FIFA investigation from above has in the last hour since been removed and the above disclaimer above now shown on the page; all it says now is that FIFA will investigate the incident. Who knows, but the premise of what Materazzi doing to Zidane remains the same - it was wrong and it should be intolerable when you play INTERNATIONALLY with people of varying religions, customers, and languages.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12671 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1866 times:
It is too bad that instead of the head butt, Zinane wasn't able to bring to the attention of a field offical of the beheavor of Materazzi so Materazzi could be red carded right then. Clearly Materazzi's slurs to Zinane were against the FIFA rules and he should have been penalized. Still, it was proper to red card Zinane for his stupid and irresponsible actions on the field. Maybe they should have red carded Materazz too. In American Football, if two players attack each other after the play is over and on or off the field, both could be suspended from the rest of that game or a future game.
Kaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3):
There was trash talking, and Zidane couldn't handle himself, and got what he deserved.
I'm completely with Monty (QANTAS077) If you start calling someone a terrorist or make racist remarks about them or their family. Expect to be eating through a straw for quite a number of days. I say strip Italy of their trophy. Show the world that NO ONE is exempt from FIFA rules on Racism.
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Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11789 posts, RR: 48 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
Even if Materazzi did use a racist taunt against Zidane, I can't see FIFA taking the World Cup away from Italy. The absolute maximum I can see them doing is handing Materazzi a 3-5 match ban and possibly taking away his winner's medal.
HAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31450 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
IF you were in Zidanes position.Would you complain to the Official when you can't prove Anything.I know the Reaction of Zid was Wrong.But I think I would have done the same this if I had heard some Verbal Raicist abuses against self or Family.
I read that earlier and my first thought was 'So its true, you cant get two experts to agree on something'.
At the moment theres at least 5 or 6 different 'translations' of what was said floating around, all done by lipreading experts - if they cant agree on what was said, can any one of them be relied upon?
The words exchanged were between two people, the violence exchanged was for the whole world to see. Whatever Mazeratti said, violence is never the answer.
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 26 Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
lol, now they will take the cup from Italy?? this is getting out of hand.
If Maerazzi gets suspended, fine, but then I want to investigate every game in the last 10 years if there have been some insults between players.
And if they take the cup from us, I'm pretty sure France won't want to be undeserved winners.
Materazzi is an a$$, he has always been,. but this time Zizou failed more than Materazzi. Investigate all you want, keep on reading lips, do whatever you want, but nothing changes the fact that Zidane did not react as you would expect from a player of his category, and that Italy won the Cup.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 31 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1737 times:
Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 16): but then I want to investigate every game in the last 10 years if there have been some insults between players.
Exactly. The only reason this is getting so much attention is because of the caliber of player Zidane was.
As a wrestler on a mostly white team in high school, you should have heard some of the messed up stuff I heard when we played some of the mostly black and hispanic teams in places like Rahway and Newark. Some fucked up stuff I heard on the mat, but you have to be the bigger man and shrug it off. I have felt like getting up and beating the shit out of the guy I was against sometimes, but I had restraint. I didn't want to get DQd and hurt the team.
Newark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 31 Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1732 times:
Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 18): I dont care who you are, keep pushing me and eventually i'll flip....
Yes, I will too. But if you are the French soccer captain in the WC final, you must think, and say to yourself, "What are the consequences if I knock this guy out?" He obviously didn't, and payed the price.
Two guys insulting each others mommas' on some corner street and getting in a fight is not the same as a soccer pitch in front of billions.
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 3): There was trash talking, and Zidane couldn't handle himself, and got what he deserved
There is a point where trash talking crosses the line. Even FIFA recognizes that. If only people like you would.
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5): You can't get red carded for something the official didn't see
Actually, that is true and it means Zidane technically shouldn't have been red carded. FIFA does not use instant replay and the red card only came after one of the side officials saw the replay in the stadium, which Marcello Balboa correctly suggested should have never been shown in Olympiastadion.
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 13): It seems that some people never left 3rd grade and can't handle name calling and trash talking.
Again, get over yourself. Hurling disgustingly racist remarks is not mere trash talking.
Quoting Newark777 (Reply 17): As a wrestler on a mostly white team in high school, you should have heard some of the messed up stuff I heard when we played some of the mostly black and hispanic teams in places like Rahway and Newark.
And I am sure you said a bit of it too.
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EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1696 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 21): FIFA does not use instant replay and the red card only came after one of the side officials saw the replay in the stadium
AFAIK it was never shown in the stadium and that's why the crwod booed at the ref after the incident. In any case FIFA claimed that TV was no used in the decision to kick Zizou out, so there's not much that can said regarding this.