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Why Don´t Americans Like International Competiton?  
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21634 posts, RR: 55
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

The Olympics have started to get a little more attention, but other than that, it really seems like the US could care less about playing other countries in tournaments. Whereas pretty much everywhere else in the world it´s a huge thing.

Of course, it would help if the two biggest sports in the US were played in other countries (yes, I know baseball is played elsewhere, but still a very small number of countries - and even then the WBC wasn´t given the attention it deserved).

I´m just wondering why, since the atmosphere here in Munich for the World Cup was fantastic.

-Mir


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

The Baseball World Series is a bit of a joke in naming terms considering that teams from outside the American Leauges can't compete. Hardly the world if you ask me.

User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Americans only like international competition if they win. All the time. Convincingly.

Games that America sucks in, Americans don't care about.

Plain and simple.



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User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

I think there are some foreign golfers on the PGA tour. Does that count?

All I can think of is the U.S. vs Soviet Union hockey "miracle". And the Tour de France is moderately popular, at least more than soccer.


User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

What do you mean "Americans don't like international competition"?

Don't like playing or don't like watching?

It would be nice if you could back up that sweeping generalization with some facts. Frankly, it is American broadcasting rights that make the Olympics even remotely profitable. And those rights are based on the large American viewership levels.

What other large "international competitions" are there besides the Olympics and the World Cup? The whole "Soccer is not popular with Americans" has been beaten to death.

Any other examples of where we do not "like" international competition? The Goodwill Games? The Special Olympics? The Commonwealth Games?

What, exactly, are you talking about?


User currently offlinePbottenb From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting Mir (Thread starter):
The Olympics have started to get a little more attention, but other than that, it really seems like the US could care less about playing other countries in tournaments. Whereas pretty much everywhere else in the world it´s a huge thing.

Of course, it would help if the two biggest sports in the US were played in other countries (yes, I know baseball is played elsewhere, but still a very small number of countries - and even then the WBC wasn´t given the attention it deserved).

I´m just wondering why, since the atmosphere here in Munich for the World Cup was fantastic.

Huh? The Olympics are HUGE here - and have been since almost the beginning. US cities have been chosen to host the the Summer Olympics 4 times and the Winter Olympics 4 times (total of 8). This is the list of the countries where cities were chosen by the IOC to host the Olympics (that were actually held):
Country # Olympics Hosted (winter/Summer)
United States 8
France 5
Canada 3
Germany 3
Great Britain 3
Greece 3
Italy 3
Japan 3
Australia 2
Austria 2
Norway 2
Switzerland 2
Belgium 1
Finland 1
Holland 1
Korea 1
Mexico 1
Russia 1
Spain 1
Sweden 1
Yugoslavia 1
China 0 (1 after 2008)

US Cities would never have been chosen so often if Americans did not like international competition...

IMHO the US pays ALOT of attention to the Olympics. This is why US TV Networks spend BILLION$ on the rights to televise, because the Olympics are so Popular here. In the US an Olympic medal winner (especially a gold medal winner) becomes a national hero and often can never work again if desired.....


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 4):
It would be nice if you could back up that sweeping generalization with some facts. Frankly, it is American broadcasting rights that make the Olympics even remotely profitable. And those rights are based on the large American viewership levels.

Excellent point. The Olympics would be a small sideshow without US TV dollars.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
The Baseball World Series is a bit of a joke in naming terms considering that teams from outside the American Leauges can't compete. Hardly the world if you ask me.

It's called the World Series because a newspaper called "The World" sponsered it and the name suck. Also the best baseball, hockey and basketball players usually play in North America anyway so the team that wins probably is still the best in the world. Its the same with good soccer players in North America play in Europe because the market is much better there.



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User currently offlineEatmybologna From France, joined Apr 2005, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

And don't forget the Ryder cup. Not sure if it is US vs. world or Europe. Anyway, good international competition and very popular on both sides of the pond.

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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
It's called the World Series because a newspaper called "The World" sponsered it and the name suck.

Thats interesting. I didn't know that.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
Also the best baseball, hockey and basketball players usually play in North America anyway so the team that wins probably is still the best in the world. Its the same with good soccer players in North America play in Europe because the market is much better there.

I think it has more to do with the market then all the best players going there. You are correct in saying that the best players go there, but thats because a market exists and the interest in the sport is high enough for fans to come out and pay top dollar to see them play which in turn, lines their pocket. If they could achieve that in their own country they would probably stay.


User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

We have entire leagues boasting around 30 teams in baseball, football, hockey and basketball. We dont need international competition because we have MORE THAN ENOUGH here. Plus in the sports we care about, we would kick the crap out of any team the world could muster. Europe and the rest of the worlds countries dont have the numbers or economies to host huge leagues in many sports so therefore their ONLY competition is international.


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting Mir (Thread starter):
it really seems like the US could care less about playing other countries in tournaments.

I would take that a bit more relaxed. US-American successes in cycling and in skiing are quite impressive, having in memory how relatively few US-Americans can be seen on bicycles, and how relatively few US-Americans actually are skiing. And I remember big US-teams participating in Olympics, the stream of them almost NOT ending. And their team in the World Cup in fact was not that bad, given the relatively low role of Football in the USA, where American-Football and Baseball and Basketball dominate.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
World Series

to name domestic competitions "World Series" indeed is a rather weird and queer way to conduct the sports "business" !  Big grin


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26497 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Quoting Mir (Thread starter):
Of course, it would help if the two biggest sports in the US were played in other countries (yes, I know baseball is played elsewhere, but still a very small number of countries - and even then the WBC wasn´t given the attention it deserved).

NASCAR and Football  Silly? Given that Basketball is generally considered bigger than Baseball and it is played at a high level in other countries, I would disagree with the assertion that the two biggest aren't played elsewhere. Further, it isn't a "very small number" of countries that also play baseball at a high level, and they are pretty spread out geographically.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
The Baseball World Series is a bit of a joke in naming terms considering that teams from outside the American Leauges can't compete. Hardly the world if you ask me.

Well, MLB does have a Canadian team  Wink

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 2):
Games that America sucks in, Americans don't care about.

I disagree only because we don't suck at anything particularly.

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 3):
And the Tour de France is moderately popular, at least more than soccer.

The Tour WAS popular until Lance retired, and mildly popular when Le Mond did his thing. This year, no one cares. Further, soccer is the number one youth sport in the US

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
Excellent point. The Olympics would be a small sideshow without US TV dollars.

Maybe, maybe not. The Olympics are set up to rely on US TV dollars, but look how well the World Cup does.

Quoting Eatmybologna (Reply 8):
And don't forget the Ryder cup. Not sure if it is US vs. world or Europe. Anyway, good international competition and very popular on both sides of the pond.

US v. Europe. The President's Cup is US v. Rest of the World.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 6):
Excellent point. The Olympics would be a small sideshow without US TV dollars.

Maybe, maybe not. The Olympics are set up to rely on US TV dollars, but look how well the World Cup does.

The Olympics and the World Cup are like comparing Apples and Oranges. Olympic broacasting rights in America is indeed as others have said, what keeps the game profitable. Last time I checked, thats internationa lcompetition. And Americans watch it, becuase they like it. Unlike Soccer.


User currently offlineChristeljs From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 533 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

There's too many games within USA itself, for them to care international. And I do believe USA think they are the best in "everything"  Wink


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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4626 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2532 times:

Quoting KROC (Reply 14):
The Tour WAS popular until Lance retired, and mildly popular when Le Mond did his thing. This year, no one cares. Further, soccer is the number one youth sport in the US

well there are a few guys from that are doing well this year. One even wore the yellow jersey for a day.
However, this year is a bit tainted due to the doping scandal.



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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2525 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
Further, soccer is the number one youth sport in the US

Soccer is popular with youth, because its something a lot of kids can play. However one they get older...they stop caring about Soccer. Thats why there is no interest in Soccer in this country. Why Soccer leagues will never be succeessful (in current times). The US women with the World Cup and Olympic Gold, and still nobody cares here.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 10):
Plus in the sports we care about, we would kick the crap out of any team the world could muster.

So this is why the US kicked butt in the World Baseball Classic?

So this is why the US has never lost in basketball Olympics? (the World Cup of that sport)

So this is why the US dominates ice hockey?

Face it, you are just another country, and for it's size not particularly dominant head to head against other countries in head to head play. Very good in some sports, but not dominant to kick anyone like you claim since of course official stats just in the last few years indicate otherwise.

Of course you can still claim dominance in American Football and Women's Baseball (forgot it's name)... A dominance of 1 in an international field of play of... 1.

Quoting FlyUSCG (Reply 10):
Europe and the rest of the worlds countries dont have the numbers or economies to host huge leagues in many sports so therefore their ONLY competition is international.

Sophistry. Huge leagues or lack of them does not mean an attraction or not for international play. Each European country has their own huge football league, and they still have international tournaments. And also their baskeball leagues, many have their hockey leagues. They still enjoy playing in international competition.

It's just a cultural viewpoint. In other parts of the world international competition is cherished, in a very few others not.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2484 times:
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Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 7):
It's called the World Series because a newspaper called "The World" sponsered it and the name suck.

Interesting typo there. I assume you meant "stuck."

Just like everything else, sports in the US developed in isolation from the rest of the world over a 200 year period. But interest in international competition continues to grow, largely through the Olympics. The fact that some US-developed sports -- basketball and baseball -- are now popular internationally means US sports fans will contimue to be more interested.

Don't forget that for the rest of the world, beating the US at anything from tiddlywinks to chess is always a big deal. Just watch Australian coverage of any swimming event. Canadians dislike losing to anyone at hockey, but they absolutely detest losing to the US.

All that is very healthy. I suspect football (soccer) will be a big deal in the US in another 20 years. US football is going nowhere internationally.



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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2456 times:

I notice there has been no follow up regarding the original assertion that "Americans Don't Like International Competition".

Probably because the original assertion is total BS.


User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2453 times:

Anothe topic for bitter individuals to pick bones...


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User currently offlineEvomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
I disagree only because we don't suck at anything particularly.

The U.S.A rugby team is pretty bad, though a couple of players play in England and one is a class act (Mike Hercus-really an aussie though). I think Rugby is a sport that Americans would like if they saw it, good for showing how big and strong you are  Wink


User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6593 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2428 times:
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Quoting Derico (Reply 18):
So this is why the US has never lost in basketball Olympics? (

Hasnt it? Didnt it loose to Russia in Berlin?



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User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6816 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Quoting Pbottenb (Reply 5):
US Cities would never have been chosen so often if Americans did not like international competition...

Not necessarily.

Follow the money. The Olympics and the pork associated with it is what drives the train.


25 Post contains images Mir : Or probably because I have to go to an internet cafe if I want to get online, since I´m away from home. Not to mention that I have other shit to do
26 Halls120 : If your position is that Americans ought to be more interested in international competition because the quality of play at that level is better, then
27 Usnseallt82 : I'm not real sure where you get this information from. I love international competitions and most of the people I know do too. I see it more as a lot
28 FlyUSCG : The majority of players in MLB all left to go play for their home countries. The teams we have now, as they are, would beat pretty much any team othe
29 Travelin man : And I stand by my assertion that your assertion is complete BS that is not backed up by FACTS. Please provide EVIDENCE that Americans are not interes
30 Bongo : Nothing against USA and Americans, I love USA, but maybe they think USA is the World ?
31 DeltaDC9 : Ever hear of BMX or Mountain Biking? IN the summer you see bikers all the freaking time. We have bike paths everywhere also. Then explain all the ski
32 Nitrohelper : Yes ,I agree that most people in the USA believe that they are the "best" in most things,because they haven't traveled or studied other parts of the g
33 QANTASFOREVER : ...which I'm still convinced you'd be entitled to compete in, should the US go ahead with any plans to join the commonwealth of nations. If anything,
34 DfwRevolution : The only tournament the World goes crazy about and the U.S. just shrugs our shoulders is the World Cup. And even that is slowly growing in popularity
35 Mhodgson : The World Series was NOT called that because of a newspaper:
36 Par13del : Quoting Arrow "Just like everything else, sports in the US developed in isolation from the rest of the world over a 200 year period" From a hsitorical
37 Evomutant : Technically, only the 13 original colonies plus Hawaii would be eligible to join since they were the only parts of what is now the USA that were part
38 N1120A : And what I am saying is the reason the Olympics rely so much on the US is because they are set up to do so. The World Cup is set up so it doesn't nee
39 Post contains links ANother : Urban myth see: http://www.snopes.com/business/names/worldseries.asp Ah, this might be closer to the truth. But they do forget that 'American Footbal
40 Mhodgson : Backed up by Bill Bryson in his book 'Made in America'. And his research in that book is impeccable.
41 PIA777 : Its kind of like the Berlin Olympics where Jesse Owens proved to the whole world that Whites were not the master race. Americans don't like it becaus
42 Iamcanadian : Past Olympic Medal Positions in Men's Ice Hockey: Year Gold Silver Bronze 1920 Canada- United States- Czechoslovakia 1924 Canada- United States- Grea
43 QANTASforever : Well, going by that theory, people from Quebec would not be allowed to compete in the Commonwealth games either. There really is no defining prerequi
44 Christa : The USA Rugby team isn't exactly the best, but they are by no means bad. Mike Hercus is actually half American and half Australian. He did play for S
45 Evomutant : They are, as is Ireland and a whole load more who just choose not too. And ask yourself who the head of state of Quebec is. I was a big fan of Hercus
46 PROSA : Rugby isn't shown on television in the United States except for some costly pay-per-view events. Any chances that ESPN and ESPN2 might show some rugb
47 QANTASforever : Head of state has nothing to do with it. A minority of Commonwealth member states actually have Queen Elizabeth as head of state. QFF
48 Evomutant : But all once did come under the Crown, (except Mozambique). Remember the progression of the name of the Commonwealth: British Empire->British Empire a
49 QANTASforever : No they didn't. As I said, there is no single defining prerequisite to membership of the commonwealth of nations. Tonga has always been an independen
50 Christa : I saw him play quite a lot. Although a decent player, I wouldn't rate him that highly and I would be very happy to see him be playing outside of Wale
51 Boeingguy1 : They can compete... after all, if theyre good they can play in America! Looking at the rosters, I can count a few from Japan, The Carribean, Mexico,
52 LH423 : I think this has been disproven time-and-time again. And I think part of that is because Americans only really care about how Americans are doing in
53 DeltaDC9 : But far beyond what most people think, wouldnt you agree? Not true at all. The US is too big and spread out for it to compare to Europe, but that is
54 Halls120 : 2005 NFL attendance - 17,303,791 2004 MLB attendance - 72,968,953 04-05 NBA attendance - 21,302,835 2005 MLS attendance - 2,900,716 I wouldn't call M
55 LH423 : Just noticed this one too. To generalize that the US as a whole doesn't care about hockey is a bit off base. In the south that's fairly accurate. And
56 Evomutant : You have to consider what the attendances for MLS were in previous seasons, i dont have those figures, so you cant tell. Also, getting a tenth of the
57 MAH4546 : Who on Earth would use such flawed logic in determining what sport is popular based on total attendence. That's just stupid. MLS - 12 teams, 32 games
58 Roger136913 : Nice to know you speak for all Americans??? I'm all for competition against other Countries.. Though I can't stand some sports.
59 Post contains images Halls120 : Wouldn't it be "stupid" to completely misunderstand the intent of a poster who posted total attendance figures by assuming that he was offering those
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