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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

I am an American Jew, who grew up believing that a homeland for Jews in the Middle East was a given, and that support for the state was a natural part of my being.

We were inspired by the advances in technology, agriculture, and industry. We watched as Israelis made the desert bloom. We made pilgrimages to Eretz Yisroel, donated our money, and planted trees. We gave money and support, cheered at Entebbe, and cried for those in Munich.

But now, I don’t know anymore. This latest incursion is making me wonder if it is worth it anymore. There will never be peace, prosperity, nor calm.

I am disillusioned and despondent

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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
I am disillusioned and despondent

Don't be! It is so important that you express your viewpoint along with many American Jews (Spielberg, Soros etc) who have the courage to oppose the status quo viewpoint. Many young Israelis are also disaffected by the older, reactionary forces in their society. Jews in America have a remarkable history of being the voice of reason during America's difficult times (McCarthyism, Civil Rights) and are in a unique position to influence Israel's future.

As a non-Jew, I find it a lot easier to discuss the Middle East with Israelis than with Americans - it's just too sensitive a matter to discuss. I think the key to peace in the Middle East will come from progressive people like you, rather than the right-wing lobbyists that control foreign policy in this region.

Your heartfelt post is to be commended.  thumbsup 


User currently offlineAsbg From Israel, joined Feb 2000, 538 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Dtwclipper.
I'm sorry that you feel that way. Look back at the years since 1948, maybe even prior to that. which other country managed to "stay on it's feet", war after war but still be able to prosper and build itself up so you can be proud of the events and facts you stated. Israel is not only a country, it's a nation as well. These people that came from all over the world to Eretzh Yisroel to establish a life here. Because are these people you should be proud. Not only for the accomplishments but also for standing up and being together as a nation in good times and bad.

Now that summer vacation is at it's peak it makes me really proud to see all the mass of tourists, mainly Jewish that had the "courage" to have the Israel experience. I hope to will or are part of them.

Peace will come one day. Until that day we need people like you, an American Jew, not to be pessimstic and despondent but the optisite. So Israel can have the positive backing and support even in the smallest of things.

Here in Israel it's very common to say Ihiye Beseder, which means everything will be ok.

I hope I helped in some way.
Sam.


User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
But now, I don’t know anymore. This latest incursion is making me wonder if it is worth it anymore. There will never be peace, prosperity, nor calm.

As I said in another post, if there are two Jews alive there will always be an Israel. Of course it is worth. Still and always. Look at the images of the refugees from Europe pouring down from ships in the 40's, hopeless and destitute, yet brave enough to create a country from nothing. Look at how many people perished for that dream to survive, for the dream to continue (how many are remembered at Izkor). Look at how far this country has gone in only 58 years, despite 6 wars!

I have lived in a Kibbutz (Palmahim) and studied in Ben-Gurion University (Bersheeba). The time in Israel was probably one of the best in my life. And I will always think it will be worth pursuing the dream of the State of Israel.

Alex


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Comorin, I enjoyed your post very much until your right-wing lobbyist comment. Frankly, that has anti-semitic undertones implying that there is some Jewish conspiracy that is to blame for everything. At first I thought you were very much making sense, but it appears you're just another conspiracy-minded leftist.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
But now, I don’t know anymore. This latest incursion is making me wonder if it is worth it anymore.

It's ok Jeremy. It's normal and healthy not to have uniform feelings on Israel. American Jews have ALWAYS been critical of Israel at times and have every right to be. Personally, I think it's their (our) way of squashing the notion of dual-loyalty. Very often it is much easier for non-Jewish Americans to be incredibly supportive of Israel and many, many are.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
We were inspired by the advances in technology, agriculture, and industry. We watched as Israelis made the desert bloom. We made pilgrimages to Eretz Yisroel, donated our money, and planted trees. We gave money and support, cheered at Entebbe, and cried for those in Munich.

And we still do. And we always will. Israel truly is one of the most unique countries in the world and something to be deeply proud of. It amazes me how even to this day they continue to be among the most innovative and high-tech countries in a region that collectively does nothing. Just two weeks ago there was a report that an Israeli university research team might be close to a breakthrough on Cancer treatment.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
There will never be peace, prosperity, nor calm.

As if that is something new? Jews have never known peace or calm; it's the reason why so many American Jews are paranoid today (think Woody Allen).

And frankly this affects us as Americans as well as Jews. In fact, being Jewish puts us in a unique situation to understand the conflict that we now face as Americans.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
and that support for the state was a natural part of my being.

I never understand people who confuse the Jewish faith with the Israeli government. The government there is no better than anywhere else, violent, and probably corrupt. Has nothing to do with whether you are a good Jew or not.

Harry



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
For American Jews

Why only American Jews?

I'm partly Jewish too, but not from America  Wink


User currently offlineFlyingbabydoc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 6):
I'm partly Jewish too, but not from America

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

 Wink


User currently offlineUAL4ever From Israel, joined Aug 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Don't worry about the feelings of uncertainty. You have to remember that Israel is doing the right thing and only responding to threats when necessary to protect innocent people trying to live their lives. As An American and Israeli citizen I have absoloutely no moral qualms about what is going on now. the Israelis need to make very clear what the concequences of terror are not just for those who commit the acts but also for those who support and harbor terrorists.

User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 3):
Europe pouring down from ships in the 40's, hopeless and destitute, yet brave enough to create a country from nothing.

Too bad you forget to mention that there are also images of Arabs pouring out of their land (which you say is "nothing") due to being kicked out... 800,000 of them.

Quoting UAL4ever (Reply 8):
Don't worry about the feelings of uncertainty. You have to remember that Israel is doing the right thing and only responding to threats when necessary to protect innocent people trying to live their lives. As An American and Israeli citizen I have absoloutely no moral qualms about what is going on now. the Israelis need to make very clear what the concequences of terror are not just for those who commit the acts but also for those who support and harbor terrorists.

Is Israel really doing the right thing? They are occupying two areas which aren't theres, harassing and opressing an entire population, are responding to a military attack by hitting civilians, and are not being confronted by anyone. Taking two soldiers is in no way terror, it is a military action. Hitting the BEY runways (which, btw, have houses in between them which were also hit), and towns with no link to Hizbollah in the south, and killing 53 civilians in two days is state terrorism, and the fact that you have no moral qualms about it says a lot, UAL.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting Asbg (Reply 2):
Sam.

Sam/Asbg, will you drop me an e-mail/private message, I wanted to ask you something.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2076 times:
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How can you be "partly-Jewish?"

You either are (your mom is a jew) or you aren't. Your dad could be jewish, like my dad, but that does not make one jewish.


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2262 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

I was actually thinking about replying , but my country is at war, i have better stuff to do.


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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Why are you obsessing about your country being at war, LY? It is almost like you want this to happen... this could have been avoided, but Israel decided to respond by hitting civilians.

User currently offlineBobster2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

I was raised as an American Reformed Jew, which means that the Orthodox rabbis who make the laws in Israel wouldn't consider me to be a Jew at all.

I thought an Orthodox Jew would be most likely to strictly follow the Ten Commandments, ie. no killing. Since I tend to be pacifist, I became an atheist, because that's more consistent with my desire to live in peace and not let myself be consumed with genocidal hatred of my neighbors.


User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2262 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 13):

Because Lebanon started a war by lettin the hezbollah open fire , cross israeli border and take POWs. Or are you going to argue about those soldiers being POWs? cause if they are not - they are then victims of a terror act. Either way - AN AGGRESSION AGAINST ISRAEL WILL NOT STAND. And Lebanon will (unfortunately) pay a heavy price.



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Well, if Israel had actually agreed to negotiate with the Lebanese prior to this about Lebanese POWs, this wouldn't have happened. Also, Israel is responding by hurting civilians, who are paying the heavy price.

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Frankly, that has anti-semitic undertones implying that there is some Jewish conspiracy that is to blame for everything. At first I thought you were very much making sense, but it appears you're just another conspiracy-minded leftist.

You have GOT to be kidding me.

As for a large group of Jews i know around here, they tend to be pretty anti-Israel.



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User currently offlineUAL4ever From Israel, joined Aug 2005, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 9):
Is Israel really doing the right thing? They are occupying two areas which aren't theres, harassing and opressing an entire population, are responding to a military attack by hitting civilians, and are not being confronted by anyone. Taking two soldiers is in no way terror, it is a military action. Hitting the BEY runways (which, btw, have houses in between them which were also hit), and towns with no link to Hizbollah in the south, and killing 53 civilians in two days is state terrorism, and the fact that you have no moral qualms about it says a lot, UAL.

Lebanon brought this upon themselves by supporting and Harboring the Hezbolloh. While civilian casualties are unfortunate the Lebanese government has no one to blame but itself. Lebanon will suffer the consequences of supporting terror.

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 15):
AN AGGRESSION AGAINST ISRAEL WILL NOT STAND. And Lebanon will (unfortunately) pay a heavy price.

I could not agree with that statement more strongly!


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 11):
How can you be "partly-Jewish?"

You either are (your mom is a jew) or you aren't. Your dad could be jewish, like my dad, but that does not make one jewish.

You know what I mean... its on my dad's side, and I know its awkward to say "partly jewish" but in what other way would you put it? at that time, Israel didn't exist so I don't know what else to call it.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9664 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2017 times:
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Thats a fair statement  Smile I wasn't trying to criticze you, just trying to understand what you mean.

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2474 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 20):
Thats a fair statement Smile I wasn't trying to criticze you, just trying to understand what you mean.


Oh sorry. I see what you mean. Sorry that I made it look like critizism

[Edited 2006-07-13 21:03:37]

[Edited 2006-07-13 21:07:04]

User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5):
I never understand people who confuse the Jewish faith with the Israeli government. The government there is no better than anywhere else, violent, and probably corrupt. Has nothing to do with whether you are a good Jew or not.

Ah, here is the paradox. Jews from around the world are raised with this dual conflict. We are torn between support of a Jewish state, and our adopted homes. It is the implicit understanding that without the state of Israel Jews have no safe haven, therefore it is imperative that we support Israel.

True, the government is no better then any other, but we have a connection to it, and are torn between support and loathing.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 17):
As for a large group of Jews i know around here, they tend to be pretty anti-Israel.

I don't know about anti-Israel, but certainly disgusted with Israel.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
It is the implicit understanding that without the state of Israel Jews have no safe haven, therefore it is imperative that we support Israel.

You see, that is the problem right there. Nationalism based on some sort of religious or ethnic identity is always bound to cause a problem like this. It doesn't matter whether it is a Jewish Nationalism, a Moslem Nationalism, a Christian Nationalism (ever meet some of THEM?), etc. Take a look at our country, the United States. For all its flaws, one thing the US has been able to do is maintain a degree of peace because our nationalism is based on the dirt we stand on, not the religion we were preached



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 12):
I was actually thinking about replying , but my country is at war, i have better stuff to do.

But then you go ahead anyway:  eyebrow 

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 15):

Because Lebanon started a war by lettin the hezbollah open fire , cross israeli border and take POWs. Or are you going to argue about those soldiers being POWs? cause if they are not - they are then victims of a terror act. Either way - AN AGGRESSION AGAINST ISRAEL WILL NOT STAND. And Lebanon will (unfortunately) pay a heavy price.



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):

True, the government is no better then any other, but we have a connection to it, and are torn between support and loathing.

I would think that it would be more of a connection to your "homeland" and the other Jewish people living there, not the government that represents it.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 22):
It is the implicit understanding that without the state of Israel Jews have no safe haven

Sadly, this seems to be the opposite of the truth.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
25 Bobster2 : When you used the word "we" in your first post, I assumed you were talking about yourself and your family. Now I realize you've appointed yourself to
26 Dtwclipper : Hardly. Jews are guests in every other country of the world. It only takes a shift in the political wind to make things very difficult. You've missed
27 Dtwclipper : I think I am talking about myself, and American Jews. It is a general statement, an observation.
28 N1120A : Again, this is the mentality that needs to be gotten rid of. If Jews are guests in other countries, so are Catholics. This is particularly true in th
29 RJpieces : Indeed, although there is generally speaking one exception to the rule: the United States. Even Canadian Jews are often amazed at how accepted Americ
30 AeroWesty : I reject this type of view of the situation without reservation. Israel should be taking out what are threats, and working with Lebanon to bring abou
31 YOWza : This same type of confusion affects the other side of this too. It is important to divorce the Government of Lebanon (an its less desirable affiliati
32 Dtwclipper : Still, we are less then 2% of the population, and growing smaller. ah but "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George San
34 Dartland : Indeed. Some great comments above. Don't be disillusioned -- just also don't be jaded by the seemingly interminably elusive peace. Calm and peace are
35 RJpieces : And that is bad for all parties involved--Jews and the United States.
36 Beaucaire : So countries without a thriving jewish community can't be great in your eyes then...? Why does everybody have to love jews (but dis-like arabs..) ? T
37 777fan : I have yet to read any report of a house at BEY being struck. This most certainly could have been avoided. Just ask Hizballah about their incursion i
38 Dtwclipper : Oh, man....it didn't take long for someone to start quoting "The Protocols of Zion" and turing my query into something else.
39 AirPacific747 : You could turn this 180 degrees around. Why does everybody have to support Lebanon and why did you change your flag? Why even choose someone to suppo
40 777fan : I think that a country's diversity (religious, ethnic, etc.) speaks volumes as to the amount of freedom and level of tolerance within it. 777fan
41 Beaucaire : Nobody suggests that people have to love Lebanon,but everybody who dares to critisize Israel has to face the question if he is anti-semitic... Because
42 Dartland : Not always. Look at modern day France. No offense meant, but it is a very diverse country that is having lots of problems relating to tolerance nowad
43 RJpieces : It's been brought up, but most Arab A.netters are in denial about that fact. See below:
44 Dartland : Are you kidding? The very people Israel is fighting deny that right to Israel. That is why the force they use seems disproportionate to much of the i
45 777fan : Good point!
46 Newark777 : And I would like to think groups like Hezbollah and the rest of the Middle East. Of course, citizens like the one in the USAToday picture celebrating
47 Bobster2 : Yes, the rabbis are above God, they are smarter and wiser than God, because God in His Infinite Wisdom didn't make Himself clear enough. Rabbis know
48 Beaucaire : You might have missed it but even Hamas has indirectly acknowledged that right for Israel twelve days ago...in a document approved by Hamas leaders i
49 777fan : Well said. Frankly, I feel bad for Lebanon and was elated to see the Syrian military (allegedly) end its occupation of the country, only to see a tra
50 Dougloid : Yes, but my wife, who is a MOT, says that they will probably be arguing. Imagine! Two Jews agreeing on anything? But yeah...hell, if they want this o
51 YOWza : Not if they're both male. Wait a generation. YOWza
52 Post contains images N1120A : By that measure, Israel isn't particularly free Yet in Israel, where they claim to remember the past, they choose to constantly repeat it That isn't
53 AirPacific747 : And Beaucaire, why are you changing your flag to a nation which biggest political party wants to remove Israel from the map? Do you think this is allr
54 Post contains images Rolfen : There will be. But it would help if you dont destroy half of Lebanon to get back your 2 soldiers.
55 777fan : How do you figure? Arabs make up 19% of Israel's population and hold four seats in Israel's Knesset. Arab citizens can vote, send their children to s
56 RJpieces : Nonsense, as 777fan pointed out, Israelis are free to practice whatever religion they want. Just yesterday I was reading an article about something l
57 Rolfen : Hezbollah is to blame for provoking the bully that israel is. That was a stupid thing to do. Either the hezbollah are stupid or they are following so
58 Raffik : Hizbullah has caused alot of damage to Lebanon but Israel has given dispraportionate force to Lebanese civillians- infrastructure that will only affec
59 777fan : Most analysts here speculate that Hezballah is acting (again) as a puppet of Syria and Iran, and that Israel's attacks and naval blockade on Lebanon
60 Post contains links Slider : Buck up little camper. Check out Victor Hanson's latest column- a brilliant one. http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson071006.html Timely and top
61 AeroWesty : Warmongering hasn't worked for the past 60 years, why should it work now? Attack the targets, not the country. I've yet to hear anyone who has stated
62 777fan : Blunt and accurate, something that will no doubt disturb many in this forum. Man, I've been busy updating my RU list as of late! 777fan
63 Dartland : That's exactly what they're doing and that's exactly what we think. It is unfortunate that BEY became a "target", but it is for strategic military pu
64 RJpieces : What was this?
65 Dtwclipper : thanks for the link...a very interesting item.
66 PIA777 : You have to keep hope alive. PIA777
67 Pyrex : I am sorry, but I will have to call bull-sh*t on that one. Whenever someone tries to define a jew as someone practicing the jewish religion (an obvio
68 N1120A : The country is founded on a specifically religious identity, to the exclusion of all other identities. But they are still second class citizens becau
69 777fan : Dude! Do your research! Israel doesn't have a constitution! Key excerpts from its Declaration of Establishment, however, declare that anyone can prac
70 N1120A : Dude, that was the point I was trying to make. Israel has no constitutional protections because it has no constitution. Further, it is founded based
71 Dougloid : And if that is so it got all the attention it deserved. It was asswipe. Hamas has no intention of beating their swords into plowshares and anyone who
72 ImperialEagle : In my opinion, American Jews, as all Jews, should stand tall and proud for who they are. Don't let the "new type" of anti-semitism that is spreading a
73 Bobster2 : That's how Hitler defended Crystal Night and the Holocaust that followed. Make them all pay for it. Even the babies. You must be a victim before you
74 Dougloid : A little bit patronizing don't you think? The distinction that you overlook is that the Jews of Germany and Europe were no threat to anyone at any ti
75 Bobster2 : Huh??? As far I know, Hitler never killed a single Jew during the Holocaust, he certainly didn't put the cyanide in the showers. He had to convince o
76 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Aren't you still backing Iran? And besides, that describes 90% of the governments in the ME.
77 Falcon84 : He didn't forget about it. It wasn't the subject, Sherlock. And you want to balance that image of those Arabs with an image of dead and slaughtered J
78 JpetekYXMD80 : Falcon, you're way off here. I can't believe some of the stuff you're syaing in your blind support of Israel. If the targets were purely infrastructe
79 F9Animal : I just don't understand why religion is so dangerous. Luckily I am not a very religous person. I do know several jewish people, and they are some of t
80 QR332 : He was talking about the establishment of Israel, I just filled in some facts he conveniently left out, sherlock. Dead and slaughtered Jews in Israel
81 Comorin : I'm sorry you feel that way, and also sorry that you read my post the way you did. I can understand your sensitivity to the subject, but nobody is be
82 RJpieces : Thank you for your nice response. I apologize for jumping the gun, but as you said it is a very sensitive topic. Generally speaking when I hear peopl
83 Comorin : No hard feelings, and thanks for your gracious reply. It's a sensitive subject, and I will certainly be more careful in the future. On my part, I'll
84 Dougloid : How could this have been avoided? Tell me if you can. You guys in Beirut gonna rein in Hezbollah, spank their behinds, then they'll behave LOL? The r
85 CXA330300 : I'm Jewish myself.................I don't feel anything big for Israel. Do I think it should exist? Yes. Do I support Israel in Lebanon? Sort of. Leba
86 Dougloid : A book that was so boring nobody took it seriously, until all the shooting started. Most copies were given as a gift at a marriage and they were care
87 Rolfen : Peace is a matter of compromises, on both sides.
88 ScarletHarlot : Holy cows, RJpieces, your bias is showing. Nothing? Are you kidding me? So in the whole Middle East Israel is the only country that does anything of w
89 TNNH : dtw- i'm sorry you feel despondent. please don't. Believe in Israel. On the morning of February 1 2003, Israel lost its first astronaut in the Columbi
90 QANTASFOREVER : Not in our country. Australians of jewish heritage are just as much a part of this country than anyone else. There is no sense of separation at all.
91 Misbeehavin : Most American Jews I know, just like most non-Jewish Americans I know, don't really give a stuff. Reason? Simple. None are Israeli.
92 Csavel : Perhaps off-topic here, but that is effin' cool! Are there pics on A-net? WHy isn't this more known? You may be torn but as an American and a Jew I a
93 Post contains images RJpieces : Israel is the only country in the Middle East that contributes greatly to the global community, yes. The GDP of every Middle Eastern country except I
94 LY7E7 : That's bs, economically and politically.You are invied to come and see for yourself.
95 RJpieces : I disagree. Israeli Arabs have better lives than any other Arabs in the region, except for Arab royalty of course. There is a reason why they have co
96 CXA330300 : About the Israeli Arabs: No matter how you cut it, compared to their brethren, Israeli Arabs are quite lucky. They recieve schooling (in Arabic or Heb
97 Skyway1 : They released some nice aerial footage of Israel destroying some Keatusha(sp?) rocket launch sites...
98 Post contains images Dougloid : Ahhh, that's only because you didn't grow up in Jersey in the sixties, boyo. Louie, Casablanca is in the middle of a desert. My wife has the same rea
99 Post contains links Csavel : I actually have, as I have relatives in Ashdod and have been to Israel. I can tell you that a Jewish high school in Ashdod will have better resources
100 EurostarVA : Israeli terrorism is unacceptable. American Apaches shooting a minivan packed with fleeing civilians is an unacceptable crime. 200 murdered Lebanese
101 AndesSMF : I was reading up on my Middle East history and situation the other day and found out that essentially there is still a fair amount of discrimination
102 RJpieces : But that's exactly the point. Israel has one of the most active supreme courts in the world. As long as there is injustice between Israeli Arabs and
103 777fan : That's not really saying much for the people of south Lebanon.
104 Dougloid : And if that's so, you and those who depend on you, if there are any,deserve their rule. You want it, and so you shall have it-good and hard. Look aro
105 AGM100 : Do not be ! This is the objective of the enemy ! Terrorism's primary objective is to ware down its enemy and strangle him into hopelessness. Support
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