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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17682 posts, RR: 46
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

An unexpected and refreshing spark of intelligence from the Arab League:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/world/4049315.html

""These acts will pull the whole region back ... and we cannot simply accept them," Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal told his counterparts, according to delegates who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the meeting.

Hezbollah's attacks on Israel, including the capture of two Israeli soldiers Wednesday and rocket barrages, were "unexpected, inappropriate and irresponsible acts," one delegate said.

Supporting his stance were representatives of Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Iraq, the Palestinian Authority, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, he said."


E pur si muove -Galileo
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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Thanks for posting this...It has been ignored on A.net, but clearly conservative Sunni regimes are scared of rising Iranian influence and are acting accordingly....

Weird coalition something like this creates.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
It has been ignored on A.net

Yeah I thought it would be better covered, seeing as this seems to be the first time the Arab leadership has ever shown anything but 100% support for the enemies of Israel.



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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Iran is making some big moves in the region and IMO those regimes are concerned as they believe (possibly rightfully so) that after Israel, Iran will be after them next.

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

Interesting the way some of the nations' lined up on Hezbollah: the P.A. lined up against them with Saudi Arabia, after themselves kidnapping an Israeli soldier; and Qatar, allegedly a stout U.S. ally, backing the terrorists.

And poor Syria stuck in the middle.

It's nice to see that there is at least a smidgen of common sense among these members finally.

And I agree somewhat with Kanebear: I think they are terribly concerned about Iran. They should, in my estimatin, worry more about Iran than Israel. If they were REALLY smart, they'd make peace with Israel, and have Israel on their side in any future conflict with Iran.

But that's asking too much.


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
Interesting the way some of the nations' lined up on Hezbollah: the P.A. lined up against them with Saudi Arabia, after themselves kidnapping an Israeli soldier; and Qatar, allegedly a stout U.S. ally, backing the terrorists.

The PA did not kidnap the soldier, Hamas did. The PA are cowrads - they never convey the feelings of the Palestinian people, they only try to say what will make Israel happy. Qatar are taking a strong stance with both the Gaza and Lebanon issues that I support 100%. The entire Arab League are a bunch of cowards... civilians are dying in Lebanon yet they don't have the balls to say anything about that.

Falcon, so if they are a close US ally, they have to support Israel as well? Qatar is free to take its own stances on issues, it does not need to follow the US's foreign policy.

To begin with, Qatar's resolution (which, surprise surprise, was vetoed by the US) against Israel was addressing how violent and destructive their attacks on Gaza were, which were 100% fair. For your information, Falcon, the resolution called for the immediate release of the soldier as well as the immediate withdrawal of Israel.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exer...23-92F8-4496-97CC-BCD31B18B4CC.htm

As for the Lebanon issue, I also support their stance - that Israel is the aggressor. When a country replies to military action by attacking civilians, damn right this is the stance that should be taken.
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...sion=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 1):
Thanks for posting this...It has been ignored on A.net,

Indeed it has, I had been lurking around looking for a post like this as well.
Did you also hear that Saudi Arabia blames both Hamas and the Hizbollah for this conflict?

And this is Saudi Arabia, a country that doesn't even recognize Israel...

I also heard that Jordan and Egypt supported Israel in this, not necessarily 100%, but this support caused a conflict at the Arab League.

This is sure making things happen, this crisis!

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1821 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
An unexpected and refreshing spark of intelligence from the Arab League

Let me assure you that the Arab people at this very minute feel ashamed, disgusted, and deeply alarmed by this unprecedented cowardice of the Arab regimes, who effectively have been reduced to puppets.

The Arab street is 100% behind Hezbollah. Make no mistake!

Quoting Amr Moussa (Egyptian foreign minister) at the Arab League press conference:

"We've been lied to since Madrid, we've been lied to since Oslo"

DUH????????

What was refreshing was watching Al-Manar TV about an hour ago and listening to the Lebanese ex-education minister slam Arab regimes (especially in the Gulf) for marrying 100 women, loosing billions in Casinos, and not even tuning to hear the news while they indulge at their summer retreats in Malaga.... THAT was refreshing to listen to.



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User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 5):
The PA are cowrads - they never convey the feelings of the Palestinian people, they only try to say what will make Israel happy.

Amr you should know better! I am really appauled at how you see this.
Abbas has been under direct threat by Hamas and the rest of the gangs, and still is!

When Abbas tries to take steps that might secure a better future for the Palestinians, he is too pro-Israeli... How can that be?

This is getting really rediculous, just because he sees that terror ensures no good future, he is not "conveying the feelings of the Palestinian people"?.. Well as much as I want to understand you, how can this be the light at the end of the tunnel for your people?? Hows about jobs?? Food?? Higher living standards??

Or do you only want the world to know how you feel?

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 5):
The PA did not kidnap the soldier, Hamas did.

Uh, Hamas IS the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian people elected them. Ergo, they kidnapped the soldier.

You can't separate the two. And I do agree. They're cowards.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 5):
Falcon, so if they are a close US ally, they have to support Israel as well?

Didn't say that, I believe. I just think it's strange how they divide went. I would have thought Hamas would have come down squarly on the side of Hezbollah, and Qatar would have been aligned with Saudi.

Don't read anymore into it than that. I find the way it shook out quite interesting, that's all.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 5):
As for the Lebanon issue, I also support their stance - that Israel is the aggressor.

I do not. Hezbollah doing cross-border incursions, and harrassing Israel whenever they want. They are the aggressors. That is obvious to me.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 5):
I also support their stance - that Israel is the aggressor.

How does Hezbollah lobbing rockets and kidnapping soldiers make Israel the aggressor? Is this like blaming the rape victim for "dressing slutty"?



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1811 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 8):
When Abbas tries to take steps that might secure a better future for the Palestinians, he is too pro-Israeli... How can that be?

It is because while Gaza is suffering and is being subject to extremeley agressive actions, instead of standing with his people, he is too busy kissing Israeli ass.

Quoting Windshear (Reply 8):
This is getting really rediculous, just because he sees that terror ensures no good future, he is not "conveying the feelings of the Palestinian people"?.. Well as much as I want to understand you, how can this be the light at the end of the tunnel for your people?? Hows about jobs?? Food?? Higher living standards??

What does that have to do with anything? Most Palestinians are against Israel and their invasion of Lebanon, and are completley against Israeli attacks on civilians (which they deal with first hand everyday), while he is placing the blame on Hezbollah instead of Israel whose reply ot the attack was completley unproportional.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Uh, Hamas IS the Palestinian Authority. The Palestinian people elected them. Ergo, they kidnapped the soldier.

Shows how much you know. Hamas is currently leading the government, but when it is very seperate from the PA. The PA are pro-Fatah, not Hamas, and they do not get along with Hamas.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Didn't say that, I believe. I just think it's strange how they divide went. I would have thought Hamas would have come down squarly on the side of Hezbollah, and Qatar would have been aligned with Saudi.

Don't read anymore into it than that. I find the way it shook out quite interesting, that's all.

Hamas is with Hezbollah, but the PA isn't - its very complicated, but the views of the PA are different to those of Hamas. As for Qatar and Saudi, the two governments do not get along all that much.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
I do not. Hezbollah doing cross-border incursions, and harrassing Israel whenever they want. They are the aggressors. That is obvious to me.

But Israel replied by hitting civilian targets and infrastructure, and escelated the war a lot more than it should have been escalated - also, they are clearly being much, MUCH more aggressive.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
How does Hezbollah lobbing rockets and kidnapping soldiers make Israel the aggressor? Is this like blaming the rape victim for "dressing slutty"?

See, that is exaclty the result of the US media - did you know that Hezbollah started lobbing rockets only after Israel attacked Lebanese cities and civilian targets?

Now, lets use the rape anology - this is like the police going in and not only trying to find the rapist, but arresting his entire neighbourhood and burning it to the ground on the way.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
did you know that Hezbollah started lobbing rockets only after Israel attacked Lebanese cities and civilian targets?

When, and why was Israel attacking civilian targets?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
he is too busy kissing Israeli ass.

This is really really really out there... No words...

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):

while he is placing the blame on Hezbollah instead of Israel whose reply ot the attack was completley unproportional.

This is such a blind view upon this, especially coming from you. Even Saudi Arabia blames the Hamas and Hezbollah for this. This comes not out of nothing Amr, this has been a long long long time in the making...

Israel has been pulling back since 2000, first out of Lebanon then Gaza and finally the West Bank when possible.
However with Hamas and Hizbollah still determined to destroy Israel and "push the Jews into the ocean", this war is not only a response to the kidnappings, this is a war against both Hamas and Hizbollah, they have now so clearly prooven that their wishes are not to make peace, but to built up arms, and calculate newer and fancier ways of hitting Israel.

Claiming and criticizing this is for being a response to a kidnapping is beyond untrue. Israel has had it, and will continue until both Hamas and Hizbollah are no more, and that is final.

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1789 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
When, and why was Israel attacking civilian targets?

To instil terror in the heart of Lebanese civilians in the area.

Objective? Drive them out, "conquer" the area and claim it as theirs.
"Conquer" is the exact word they chose, check the other thread.
By the way, Israel fired at families while they were fleeing, in their cars! 23 members of one family were butchered by an Israeli Apache at Marwaheen...

This looks all too familiar. The Israeli terrorist/expansionist regime did it in 1948, 1967, and want the whole world to sit back and watch as it pushes for more territory. Ain't happening!

Israel & IOF: Fine State Terrorism



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1782 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 13):
This is really really really out there... No words...

Speaking of out there:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 14):
The Israeli terrorist/expansionist regime did it in 1948, 1967



Quoting Windshear (Reply 13):
until both Hamas and Hizbollah are no more

...Which will be better for everyone...except for Hamas/Hizbollah members of course Silly



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 7):
The Arab street is 100% behind Hezbollah. Make no mistake!

To what end is this support given ? What is the objective the Arab Street hopes for Hammas to acheive?

If Hammas is the point of Hope for the Arab Street then thay are truly hopeless.



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User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2331 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1773 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):
Which will be better for everyone...except for Hamas/Hizbollah members of course

 checkmark 

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 15):

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 14):
The Israeli terrorist/expansionist regime did it in 1948, 1967

Ha if you think that one is out there look here at what EurostarVA wrote in this thread:
So When Does Israel Bomb Syria? (by AirRyan Jul 17 2006 in Non Aviation)

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 26):

Hezbollah is a heroic project designed to contain the expansionist Zionism movement. Most Arab regimes today are corrupt, anti-democratic, and by no means represent their people or uphold their interests. Furthermore, Hezbollah is a well-organized and systematic organization. Hezbollah are Hamas are 2 Arab political / military / charity GRASSROOT organizations brave enough to face Israel/America. For this reason Israel wants to liquidate both.

This is really really sicko style.

Boaz.



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 11):
It is because while Gaza is suffering and is being subject to extremeley agressive actions, instead of standing with his people, he is too busy kissing Israeli ass.

And as Gaza is suffering, what are YOU doing for your people besides advocating more bloodshed? On a nice vacation to the United States I see, just like your average Palestinian right?


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1753 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 5):
civilians are dying in Lebanon yet they don't have the balls to say anything about that.

Hmm, I wonder why. Perhaps they WANT Iranian influence gone as much as Israel?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 1727 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 14):
Objective? Drive them out, "conquer" the area and claim it as theirs.

They've never had any desire to claim Lebanon. They simply want the Lebanese government to take care of it's territory, and drive the terrorists scum from their territory.

If Hezbollah is wiped out, and the northern border of Israel is secure, none of this is necessary.


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 12):
When, and why was Israel attacking civilian targets?

When? Every day since this conflict has started. They have hit BEY (if they really wanted to disable it, the runways are enough, but what reasons are there to hit the main terminal?). Did you know at least 179 civilians (in Lebanon) have died so far from Israel? This is in the south Beirut suburbs and in south Lebanon - they have killed fleeing civilians who were trying to get out of Lebanon! As for why, that is a question I cannot answer, because it sure as hell is not punishing Hezbollah - it is instead punishing the Lebanese people.

Quoting Windshear (Reply 13):
This is such a blind view upon this, especially coming from you. Even Saudi Arabia blames the Hamas and Hezbollah for this. This comes not out of nothing Amr, this has been a long long long time in the making...

Israel has been pulling back since 2000, first out of Lebanon then Gaza and finally the West Bank when possible.
However with Hamas and Hizbollah still determined to destroy Israel and "push the Jews into the ocean", this war is not only a response to the kidnappings, this is a war against both Hamas and Hizbollah, they have now so clearly prooven that their wishes are not to make peace, but to built up arms, and calculate newer and fancier ways of hitting Israel.

Claiming and criticizing this is for being a response to a kidnapping is beyond untrue. Israel has had it, and will continue until both Hamas and Hizbollah are no more, and that is final.

Oh please, Windshear! You want to talk about a blind view? Lets start with why both kidnappings happened - Hezbollah did it to force an exchange of the hundreds of Lebanese POWs who Israel refuses to even negotiate with Lebanon about, and Hamas did it because Israel was killing its members and civilians in Gaza left and out (the beach incident anyone?). Now, in both cases the attacks were on military targets, and in both cases Israel has responded with brutal force which damaged the civilian infrastructure and which killed civilians much more than it did harm the groups. This isn't about "pushing the Jews into the sea", which a lot of pro-Israel Jews love to claim in order to make Israel look like a victim, this is much more than that.

As for pulling out of Lebanon, who are you kidding, Boaz? The Lebanon pullout occured because Hezbollah forced Israel into it, and what Israel did before that has to be some of the worst war crimes since WWII! You have the Qana shelling, the Sabra and Shatilla massacres, the bombing of Beirut which led to the murder of thousands of civilians, and much more! Is this all fair in your eyes? Israel contributed a lot to the destruction of Lebanon and Beirut in the civil war, and it will not be forgotten.

As for Palestine, again, who are you kidding? Gaza has absolutley no value to the Israelis - it is an overpopulated strip of land full of people and with no real value. The pullout, IMO, was nothing more than trying to make the Israelis look like they are really interested in peace. When it comes to the West Bank, it is a completley different issue - since the pullout, more and more settlements have been commisioned and are being built, especially around Jerusalem. Israel has not pulled out of ANY of the West Bank, and they are continuing the construction of the seperation wall right through stolen Palestinian land - East Jerusalem is still being surrounded by more settlements to block it off from the rest of the West Bank, and the issue is getting more and more out of hand. Don't try to make it look like they give a damn about peace.

If anyone has clearly proven that they don't care about peace by their actions and their words, it is Israel. "We'll turn back the clock by 20 years" - real peaceful  Yeah sure

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 16):
To what end is this support given ? What is the objective the Arab Street hopes for Hammas to acheive?

If Hammas is the point of Hope for the Arab Street then thay are truly hopeless

Who the hell is talking about Hamas? We are talking about Hezbollah, and the Arab world is behind them because they are only group with enough balls to stand up to Israeli aggression.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 18):
And as Gaza is suffering, what are YOU doing for your people besides advocating more bloodshed? On a nice vacation to the United States I see, just like your average Palestinian right?

RJ, are you jelous of my life or something? You obsess over it so much, it is incredible! You really think people in Gaza would support Israel in any way, especially after all they have done to them since 1967?! And also, how the hell am I advocating violence? I am speaking out against Israeli violence, not advocating any kind of violence.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 19):
Hmm, I wonder why. Perhaps they WANT Iranian influence gone as much as Israel?

Iranian influence on who, exactly? What does that have to do with speaking out against Israeli attacks on civilians?


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1697 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Thread starter):
Who the hell is talking about Hamas?

O shit my fault ... is their a difference.?


Guess thier is , if they ever kick Israel out then Hammas and Hezbolla could kill each other for a while. I wonder what would happen if Israel just gave up and left "Palastine"? God what a mess that would be , who would claim it ?



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User currently onlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13664 posts, RR: 61
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1695 times:
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Quoting QR332 (Reply 5):
The PA.. ...only try to say what will make Israel happy.

 rotfl 

Tell me - what color is the sky in your world?



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
O shit my fault ... is their a difference.?

The fact that you don't know the differnece shows how little you know about the conflict.

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 22):
Guess thier is , if they ever kick Israel out then Hammas and Hezbolla could kill each other for a while. I wonder what would happen if Israel just gave up and left "Palastine"? God what a mess that would be , who would claim it ?

Actually it wouldn't be much of a mess - there are millions of Palestinian refugees who would return to their land, and I am pretty sure none of the neighbouring countries would want any part of it; they would probably be glad to get rid of the refugees.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 23):
Tell me - what color is the sky in your world?

 Yeah sure Please, don't embaress yourself - the PA, today, try to make themselves look good in the eyes of Israel and the US at every chance they get. Tell me, if the PA is such a terrorist hugging organisation, why is there fighting between them and Hamas?


25 CasInterest : So QR out of curiosity, how do you classify "palastinians"? Historically speaking, prior to racist and religious warping of the middle east, it class
26 Greaser : I'm not trying to further aggravate things here, but i think it's clear to the world that had Hezbollah not kidnapped the 2 soldiers AND not returned
27 JFK69 : Let's Be honest. These prisoners are there for a reason. I am sure that not every single one is guilty of terrorism but I will bet any amount of mone
28 Post contains images EA CO AS : ..said the guy who can't spell correctly...
29 RJpieces : This is an often overlooked but excellent question. Many people claim that there would be peace if this happened but it could not be more wrong. If I
30 QR332 : Palestinians are Palestinian Arabs who come from historical Palestine, i.e. modern Israel, the West Bank & the Gaza Strip. I was going along with wha
31 LY7E7 : Because we've done it beofre and it got us nowhere. We have to put the end to this kind of tactics, especially if it involves attack on an undisputed
32 Post contains images Windshear : Well this tells me that you see Hamas as heroic, which tells me you are out of reach, sorry to conclude this, but I have never ever thought you thoug
33 ME AVN FAN : NOT "scared" and it not only is the conservative ones, but also modern and progressive ones. The Iranian influence is NOT highly appreciated it is NO
34 EurostarVA : You must be dillusional. Which Arab street are you talking about? The one near the Casino in Jounieh? Thought so! For a reality check, try visiting C
35 ME AVN FAN : Beirut, Alexandria, Cairo, Dubai
36 ME AVN FAN : of course, but this does NOT mean that they appreciate Hizbullah. The Lebanon of the future will need to have a small but credible air-force, a small
37 Windshear : Well no not in the sense, but it would be expected by Saudis to blame Israel no matter what... That is why it is interesting. Boaz.
38 L410Turbolet : and most of not to be scared to exercise sovereignty of the government over the entire territory of Lebanon and if there's need to do so prevent some
39 ME AVN FAN : interesting idea ! to exert sovereignty of the government over the entire territory, adequate security forces are a pre-condition. Imagine that I on
40 AGM100 : QR I believe and hope that Abbas may have some vision of co exisitence with Israel. I know that estabilishing a Palistinian country that can live an
41 ME AVN FAN : he not only has such a "vision" he already is and has been practicing co-existence with them. He, at an appropriate moment will dissolve the parliame
42 Post contains links AGM100 : I found this link last night and spent some time reading though it. It is long and detailed but has some very interesting items. Egypt/ Israel /EU/Wor
43 ME AVN FAN : WHAT "period" ? the intifada is over, and stability is what needs to be achieved. It is not an easy matter, and President Abbas may be forced to diss
44 AGM100 : My point was that most Muslims blame Israel for oppressing the PAL. But the IMF report shows substantial economic growth up until the latest intefada
45 Post contains links RJpieces : Uh huh, I truly think Palestinian nationalism would disappear if Israel disappeared. Palestinian nationalism did not develop until Zionism took off.
46 ME AVN FAN : the Intifada is over and no longer relevant. The Intifada in fact was the result of the stalemate brought about by Israeli politics, but launched (by
47 EurostarVA : Get a life, an Israeli newspaper is hardly un-biased surveys in light of recent events. In related news, the island-state of Bahrain witnessed its LA
48 ME AVN FAN : you might tell me, WHAT is the majority on Bahrain ? Just a hint: the rulers on Bahrain are Sunnis !
49 Post contains images AGM100 : Really seems like good advise for the demonstrators in Bahrain.
50 ME AVN FAN : beside that it anyway would be an adviCe, it is irrelevant. The Bahrainis are Shi'ites, and out of that have their sympathies rather with Hizbullah t
51 QR332 : Arab nationalism in general started to rise during the Great Arab Revolt against the Ottomans, which had an aim of creating a huge Arab state spannin
52 AGM100 : Thanks the info , that sounds like a match made in heaven ... god what a mess.
53 ME AVN FAN : of course NOT. Not supporting Hizbullah does NOT mean support for Israel !!!!!
54 RJpieces : Sure, but at the same time you can be sure they wish Israel success in their battle against Hezbollah.
55 ME AVN FAN : DEFINITELY NOT ! Jubail is the last city I would look for members of Hizbullah, rather find them in Zurich and Geneva ! No, the Israelis ARE madmen,
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