Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Olmert To Knesset: Our Enemies Misjudged Us  
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 1478 times:

Olmert just adressed Knesset, and said that this is a war which Israel did not want, nor start, will go on until the infrastructure of both Hamas and Hizbollah is no more...

Some quotes:

'Israel didn't ask for these confrontations, but there were those who interpreted our will for peace as a sign of weakness,'

Israel has no territorial argument, neither on the southern or northern border,�

We hope that one of these days we will achieve a peace agreement, to the mutual benefit of both sides,�

The current fight is against terror organizations in Lebanon and Gaza. These organizations are subcontractors, acting under the authorization, encouragement and funding of terror supporting organizations and opponents of peace - the axis of evil that runs from Tehran to Damascus,�

We are standing at a moment of national truth. Will we agree to live under the threat of the axis of evil, or will we hew our internal strength and show determination and level-headedness? Our answer is known to each and every Israel, and today it echoes in the entire region. We are not seeking war and confrontation, but when they are necessary we will not avoid them. We have the right to our freedom, and when we have to, we know how to fight for and defend that freedom,�


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3277405,00.html

Boaz.


"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
38 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

News bulliting from Ha'aretz:

Saudi Arabia blames Hizbollah, Hamas for IDF offensive (Reuters)

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

I'd say we all misjudged Olhmert.

Who knew he was at George Bush's level of incompetence when it comes to foreign policy?


Killing and War is so sexy to Israeli voters. He's a tough guy now!


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 2):
I'd say we all misjudged Olhmert.

Who knew he was at George Bush's level of incompetence when it comes to foreign policy?


Killing and War is so sexy to Israeli voters. He's a tough guy now!

Artie, perhaps you should quit injecting your political vitreol on every thread, as it only serves to highlight your naive ignorance of world affairs.

[Edited 2006-07-17 19:26:10]

User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 2):
Killing and War is so sexy to Israeli voters. He's a tough guy now!

Jeez aren't you a know-it-all  Yeah sure

Cynicism is such a feeble humoristic attempt to ignore aspects of real life, or so I see it.

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Perhaps?........Not

If the truth hurts that's your problem not mine.


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1410 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 5):
Perhaps?........Not

If the truth hurts that's your problem not mine.

Ok... But why do you think you are speaking the truth? And how do you know if I am hurting?

I feel neither pain nor lack of insight.

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

No Artie,

You clearly have no clue.

There is nothing in Olmert's statement that is unreasonable.

You are a liberal who would would be willing sacrafice the lives and existance of all Israelis to a bunch of terrorists in the name of political correctness, and try to make political points in the process.

I find that disguesting.

[Edited 2006-07-17 19:33:44]

[Edited 2006-07-17 19:34:40]

User currently offlineSolarix From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1405 times:

Quoting ArtieFlufkin (Reply 2):
I'd say we all misjudged Olhmert.

Who knew he was at George Bush's level of incompetence when it comes to foreign policy?


Killing and War is so sexy to Israeli voters. He's a tough guy now!

So what's your solution Mr. ArtieFlufkin ? Should Israel just call it quits and replace with flag with a yellow and green one? Your an idiot if you think they are doing this to win in the next election. Israel was attacked and they responded. As the old saying goes "mess with the best... die like the rest".


User currently offlineTNNH From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1391 times:

I think survival is "sexy" to Israeli voters, at least thats how they interpret this current response. It appears you feel differently?

User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

OK PMMM

Doesn't look like your big into addressing the issues.

You just want me to stop posting ideas you don't agree with.

So " I clearly have no clue"..... Good one.

You'll notice, I never said posted one derogatory remark on this thread towards a fellow poster.

Again the answer is no. Continue with your ad hominem attacks. I've got a tough skin. And I'm gonna speak my mind.


User currently offlineSonic99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

What a bunch of entrenched morons.

Is it sooooooo hard (I mean, really!!!) to admit that this Olmert dropped the ball on this one?

He's got no beef with Lebanon, yet his army is now the process of destroying it. He's got a beef with Damascus, but his planes only buzz the guy's palace there.

For God's sake, put your pride aside guys and look at reality. Condemn bad and reward good!

If Olmert and his policy guys had any brains he'd ask for a joint Lebanase gov't/Israeli strike and elimination of these Hezbollah and not a unilateral destruction of a state attempting to fight some phoney war!!! Can't people see that? Instead these guys go ahead and willy-nilly attempt to fix everything themselves.

For God's sake, people on both sides of the border would be breathing easier right now.


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Quoting Sonic99 (Reply 12):
If Olmert and his policy guys had any brains he'd ask for a joint Lebanase gov't/Israeli strike and elimination of these Hezbollah and not a unilateral destruction of a state attempting to fight some phoney war!!!

 checkmark 



Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

Quoting TNNH (Reply 10):
I think survival is "sexy" to Israeli voters, at least thats how they interpret this current response. It appears you feel differently?

Thanks for a civil response.

Let me give you an analogy. Olmert is like a Democratic President that has just been voted into office and he wants to prove the GOP critics wrong and show that Dems are tough guys too. (Tough as opposed to smart. Smart is a weak trait when fighting terrorist. It's sissy to talk of "diplomacy" and "measured responses")

This is Olmert. He's trying to prove Likudniks wrong. He IS a tough guy! I'll show you! See? I'm a bad ass like George Bush.


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1328 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 5):
Perhaps?........Not

If the truth hurts that's your problem not mine.

Were that the truth, you'd have a point.

@everyone else : Please, don't feed the trolls.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 11):
OK PMMM

Doesn't look like your big into addressing the issues.

You didn't address any issues. You only made an inane ad homnem attact on GWB and Ohlmert.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 11):
You just want me to stop posting ideas you don't agree with.

No, I would rather have you post well thought out ideas instead of political rants.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 11):
So " I clearly have no clue"..... Good one.

You are so blinded by your political anomosities that you clearly do not have a grasp on reality. (and for your information, I have never been a GWB fan).

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 11):
You'll notice, I never said posted one derogatory remark on this thread towards a fellow poster.

No, you merely made the extremely offensive statement:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 2):
I'd say we all misjudged Olhmert.

Who knew he was at George Bush's level of incompetence when it comes to foreign policy?


Killing and War is so sexy to Israeli voters. He's a tough guy now!

If you really believe that Ohlmert is sacraficing people's lives in this conflict for political gain, then my statement that you have no clue is factual and not an attack on you.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 11):
Again the answer is no. Continue with your ad hominem attacks. I've got a tough skin. And I'm gonna speak my mind.

To paraphrase:

"A mind is such a terrible thing to be wasted out of."

Sonic99:

It might be very difficult to follow your suggestion of a joint IDF/Lebanese Army operation against the Hezbollah terrorists, since Hezbollah holds seats in the Lebanese Government and former Hezbollah fighters comprise a large part of the Lebanese Army.

Care to rethink your solution?


User currently offlineSonic99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 17):
It might be very difficult to follow your suggestion of a joint IDF/Lebanese Army operation against the Hezbollah terrorists, since Hezbollah holds seats in the Lebanese Government and former Hezbollah fighters comprise a large part of the Lebanese Army

Care to rethink your solution?

No I do not.

The current members of the Lebanese army are mostly composed of Christians and Muslims not affiliated with the Hezbollah. True there are some former Hezbollah fighters in the ranks yet they joined only on condition of abrogating their alliegiance to the group.

Secondly, you'd be wise to learn the difference between holding seats in government (executive body - power of decision, in this case) and parliament (legislative body). Hezbollah currently holds 30% of the seats in Parliament and has representation in 1 ministry as a consession from other parties as an attempt stabilize the political structure in the country (thus allowing representation of Hezbollah in 1 ministry in government).

This does not mean that Hezbollah's in charge in Lebanon, nor does it imply that Hezbollah has some sort of control over the Lebanese government. True the situation is delicate and precarious in the south of the country where Hezbollah gains its representation.

Israel and its leadership would be best served to root out Hezbollah with the help and approval of the Lebanese Government as opposed to making the situation there more precarious. This unilateral action against the state of Lebanon, my friend, clearly puts Israeli leadership's competency into question!

An informed answer.


User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Quoting Kanebear (Reply 16):
@everyone else : Please, don't feed the trolls.

 checkmark 

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

In other words, you've really stated Israel's absurd plan.

A) Israel with the attacks, intends to scare and intimidate the "good" Lebanese into a civil war with the "bad" Lebanese.

B) The "bad" Lebanese will scatter after the "good" Lebanese win.

C) Order restored...LOL

Of course this didn't happen over the course of a 13 year Lebanese occupation before. (IN OTHER WORDS ISRAEL COULDN'T DO IT THEMSELVES) . It didn't work with Iraq.

But the Bush Cult of Personality thinks it will happen now?


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1244 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 18):
But the Bush Cult of Personality thinks it will happen now?

This has got to be the stupidest and most telling statement you have made yet. GWB has nothing to do with this. He did not instigate the fighting or the response.

Sonic,

I am aware of the situation in the Lebanese government. I do not think it is politically possible for the government to engage in a joint operation with the IDF against Hezbollah given the level of political support that Hezbollah has at the polls. The UN was supposed to oversee the disarming of Hezbollah under the UN brokered agreement that saw Israel leave southern Lebanon. A fat lot of good the UN did there.

It would be better for Lebanon to ask for assistance from a sector other than Israel to root out these terrorists.

We do agree however that the destruction of Hezbollah as a military force is a necessity.


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

Quoting Windshear (Thread starter):
will go on until the infrastructure of both Hamas and Hizbollah is no more...

Didnt know hezbollah and hamas have an infrastructure.



rolf
User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1231 times:

Read John Pinter in "The Independent" for a good unbiased summary of the situation.

User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1217 times:

I mean Robert Fisk.-----------------------------

User currently offlineTNNH From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1201 times:

Artie..
I think your analogy is pretty inane. Olmert is acting tough on Hezb because he wishes to destroy it. Naturally the Israeli population supports this action. I don't understand what problem you have with him. You're not being clear at all.

TNNH


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1193 times:

Quoting TNNH (Reply 23):
Olmert is acting tough on Hezb because he wishes to destroy it

As Bush is doing in Iraq. How's that going? Are the insurgents being destroyed?

Olmert is not destroying Hezbollah. He's killed maybe 150 people mostly civilians. These Palestinian militias have thousands of troops. This is a guerrilla war. They have no infrastructure to speak of. He's blockading and bombing the same people he hopes will fight Hezbollah.

But his attack is more strategic than military. He hopes that the majority in Lebanon will reign in Hezbollah. Fat chance. It's a sub State with their own military. Northern Lebanese are not going to march down South and do what the Israelis could not do in 13 years.


25 Dougloid : Thanks a lot. I'm a Hubert Humphrey liberal and you don't even know how to use the word. Reality? The reality is that the government of Lebanon is li
26 ArtieFufkin : My statement was in reference to the Bush supporters here, not who caused what in Lebanon. Bush supporters and Israeli apologist are two of a kind. I
27 Sonic99 : Indeed we do. My point was (and fear is) that Israel's current action will only serve to galvanize opposition and foment greater regional instability
28 Post contains images Blrsea : Sonics99, atleast you have valid arguments, but what would have made Lebanon co-operate with Israel? They have not done it so far, and have given Hezb
29 ArtieFufkin : Boy BLRSE What name calling did I engage in? Let me know. I will apologize. Then maybe we can discuss why this isn't a "solutions for Israel" thread
30 Sonic99 : Yeha, that's an interesting twist and definitely good questions. I thought about that before writing my comments above but there was something promul
31 Clipperhawaii : Perhaps we need more leaders like him who don't stand or sit safely in their well secured residences and let the world spin out of control unchecked.
32 ArtieFufkin : How's Iraq going? Here you had a Bush who took exactly that track and look what it got him? We have lost Iraq. You just don't know it yet. When we le
33 Clipperhawaii : Oh really? That's news to me and the over 150,000 U.S. troops on the ground in Iraq. So be it. We will kill them too. So you want the U.S. to throw I
34 CasInterest : Yes, let's do that. The fundamantal issue that started this fiasco is that a bunch of blowhard pigs from Hezbollah decided to perform an act of war b
35 ArtieFufkin : Cas it's goes completely over your head. Killing terrorists has a place in policy but should not be the strategic military objective. Killing insurgen
36 CasInterest : And where is Iraq my short sighted friend? They are going through Civil Unrest. Look at the attacks. they aren't going after the Soldiers. They are g
37 Mrocktor : If terrorists hide out among children and the children get killed when they are attacked, it's the terrorist's fault - not their victim's. The issue i
38 Dougloid : You understand international law and the law of war pretty well. I'm quite convinced that a number of our Lebanese colleagues, although they did not
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Where To Go In "The US".. posted Wed Apr 19 2006 16:40:53 by Lorenz
Nice Way To Treat Our Troops..... posted Thu Jul 14 2005 05:14:06 by Rsmith6621a
TV Shows Common To The UK And The US? posted Sun May 1 2005 01:10:15 by USAFHummer
France Residents - Help Us Keep Our Jobs - Call Us posted Thu Jan 29 2004 16:36:59 by UTa_FLYinghigh
Time To Pay Up: 97.8 Trillion US Dollars posted Tue Apr 8 2003 08:29:40 by CPH-R
Legal Age To Drink Alcohol In The US? posted Tue Mar 18 2003 19:25:56 by Sabena332
Time To Back Our Troops posted Mon Mar 17 2003 17:23:11 by Ryanb741
Dprk Trying To Widen Rift Between The US And ROK posted Thu Jan 2 2003 16:11:16 by N79969
To Those Who Bash The US On This Day... posted Thu Sep 12 2002 03:09:09 by B-OTCH
Saudi To Withdraw Their Money From US Economy? posted Thu Aug 22 2002 15:14:18 by DragonRapide