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User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1082 times:

I realize that to many of you posters English is not your mother tongue, and I commend you for your ability to carry on meaningful dialog in this forum. However, to you young people, for whom English is your only language, shame on you for your incorrect use of common homonyms. Many times it takes 3 or 4 readings of a post to unravel its meaning because of misusing the following common words:

its, it's
its: belonging to it (its color is blue)
it's: contraction for it is (it's a bird, it's a plane...)

there, their, they're
there: a location, not here (over there is a nice plane)
their: belonging to them (I like their logo)
they're: contracton for they are (they're ugly)

were, we're, where
were: past tense of "are" (we were tired yesterday)
we're: contraction for we are (we're tired)
where: a location (where is the plane?)

There are lots of others - please add to this list.

Cheers,
Pete

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User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1036 times:

Your / You're (you are)

Your dinner is ready.

KROC, you're one of the most intelligent posters on airliners.net.


User currently offlineMr. Squirrel From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1031 times:

DISS - This
DAT - That
DEM - Them
DEEZE - These
DOZE - Those



User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1027 times:

Hoked on fonics workd four mi. Nuts


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User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1025 times:

KROC, you're one of the most intelligent posters on airliners.net.

Excellent!! Your grade in Spelling 001 is A+


User currently offlineTurbolet From Cape Verde, joined Nov 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1008 times:

HEY DERE, CAN'T UNDRSTND Y U POSTED DIZ TOPIC Delta-Flyer. NEWAY, WE CAN UNDRSTND MOST OF D PPL HERE SO WOT!
That's SMS format  Big thumbs up.
-turbolet


User currently offlineNightcruiser From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1002 times:

Yea, Nightcruiser can spel prity wel two! He desurves a A!

User currently offlineAmerica West From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 997 times:

or maybee a A pus!

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 988 times:
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Pete, in his noble effort in trying to get people to spell correctly, wrote:

color is blue

Pardon me for saying this but one of those three words is misspelt assuming this is a "correct English" thread. Shouldn't it be colour?

Whatever language is spoken in the US, it isn't English! American perhaps, but definitely not English.

David/MAN


User currently offlineI Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 984 times:

Oh big deal!

Many times it takes 3 or 4 readings of a post to unravel its meaning because of misusing the following common words...

No offense, but maybe you are the one that needs the work. I have never had to reread a post because of the mistakes you pointed out. See, for those of us with a registering IQ, when someone says "there" instead of "their" we know what they mean. The same goes for your other examples. Maybe you have some reading comprehension problems, but I am not going to triple check my posts to make sure I use the correct form of "it's" because if I leave out the apostrophe your too slow to figure out I meant it to be a contraction. I always check for major grammatical errors, but you're being awfully damn picky. I really think it's funny you are reading posts 3 or 4 times, and in my book you just labeled yourself dumb. Smile


User currently offlineSEVEN_FIFTY7 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 957 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 962 times:

I agree with KROC. My ULTIMATE PET PEEVE is the use of "your" versus the use of "you're." And it seems something like 7 out of every 10 posts use it the WRONG way.

How it's usually written here on the forums:

...I didn't know your a Boeing fan, so let me know when your going spotting again.  Angry


And here it is how it is correctly written:

...I didn't know you're a Boeing fan, so let me know when you're going spotting again.  Wink/being sarcastic



SO GET IT RIGHT, BOYS!!!



User currently offlineKROC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 958 times:

I'm with my man SEVEN_FIFTY7 on this one!

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 955 times:

To I Like To Fly:

... maybe you are the one that needs the work ... for those of us with a registering IQ ...
I don't think so, young man. I have a pretty high IQ, and my reading comprehension has never (yet) let me down. However, I expect a higher level of perfection in my reading material and the glaring errors I continually encounter in these posts seem to distract my attention from their content.

but I am not going to triple check my posts
Perhaps you should. I do. I consider every message I post a reflection of my personality, and I try to make it as correct and readable as possible. I consider that important. You obviously do not. In any event, this forum requires correct English, as stated in the Terms and Conditions.

Let me give you some unsolicited advice. You will be judged negatively when you submit a resume or a report to your employer or a customer that is full of grammatical errors. The bad habits you are acquiring here will be very hard to kick later on. We are, in fact, sending one of our engineers to a writing class because his grammar is embarrasing.

you just labeled yourself dumb
I don't think so. You just labeled yourself an arrogant adolescent. Instead of insulting me, why don't you better yourself?

Cheers,
Pete


User currently offlineIhadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 947 times:

The award "best speller" LOL goes to Arichie Bunker, no not the a.net user.

My favorite Archie line is.........

When told that his comment was not germane to the conversation Archie replied "The god-damm Germans have got nothin' to do with it"



Pray hard but pray with care For the tears that you are crying now Are just your answered prayers
User currently offlineI Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 939 times:

Delta-flyer, I might have come off a little rougher than I meant, I apologize. This is a casual place, I am not submitting a resume to NASA when I post here and there is no point in making sure every post is perfect. I am a fun/casual guy, hopefully I come off that way in these forums most of the time. I don't judge a person on how grammatically correct their Airliners.net postings are. The fact you must reread posts 3 or 4 times does mean you have reading problems. You probably aren't dumb and really do have a high IQ, but if it is taking you 3 or 4 times to read a post because of grammatical errors then you do have a problem. I am not a super intelligent person, my senior year GPA was only a 3.58, but I can read a post with grammatical errors and not be confused. I bet you have a lot of book smarts, you must to be this picky about peoples grammar, but you need more than that to be considered "intelligent." When I read a post, I sometimes do notice a mistake, but I find it very humorous that someone with your "intelligence" must go back and read it again to understand it. As for being an arrogant adolescent... I will let that go because I deserved it as my post was on the harsh side. The rules don't say to have perfect English, they say you shouldn't have major errors and I rarely do. I once over my posts and hit send. You shouldn't have to do more than that. You need to understand most people aren't as picky as you and aren't judging you on a casual post on Airliners.net.

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 934 times:


Delta-flyer, I might have come off a little rougher than I meant, I apologize.

Accepted.

You probably aren't dumb and really do have a high IQ, but if it is taking you 3 or 4 times to read a post because of grammatical errors then you do have a problem.
You apologized, I accepted, now why do you keep stirring the pot?


User currently offlineI Like To Fly From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1188 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 925 times:

Delta-flyer, I apologized for being a little harsh. I in no way agree with you and you obviously have reading comprehension problems. I was wrong when I said that made you dumb, it just means you have a problem when it comes to comprehending something that has little meaningless mistakes most people can ignore. I understand that may annoy some people, but you flat out can't understand it which is a problem for you and not us. We are not responsible for making your life easier because you can't do something 95% of us can. Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 921 times:

Whatever language is spoken in the US, it isn't English! American perhaps, but definitely not English.

Wait a sec...so, you're saying we speak "American" right? Well, then how come we get criticized when we say we speak American? (Something I never do, and it's a pet peeve to me when people do say they speak American) To keep it short and sweet, although we may never know why the designers of America thought that the spelling needed to be "tweaked", the fact is they did, and in the end came up with a more phonetically correct spelling of certain words in the language. By the way, a few years ago the UK was thinking of teaching American English in the British school system, because of it's phonetic spelling. In the end, I guess, tradition won, and that was never enacted.

However, I do take it as a great offence for someone to say that I don't speak English, just because there are some spelling differences. Also, if that's the case, as most nations have slight variances there it could also be said that there are languages named Canadian and Australian, because, they too, have slight differences from the English spoken (and spellt) in those countries.

LH423 (speaker of ENGLISH)



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User currently offlineLax From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 2290 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 915 times:

Hey IHADAPHEO........ LOL!!  Smile Smile Smile

Yeah...I love Archie too.

Favorite Bunkerism (after learning The Jeffersons are soon-to-be neighbors) ...... "Well we'll just see how wonderful it is when the watermelon rinds come flyin' out the windows!!!!"

Or perhaps Archie's solution to all those 1971 hijackings .... "Solution is simple", says Arch, "You just pass out the pistols at the beginning of each flight. And collect 'em all when you land!"  Smile Smile


User currently offlineIhadapheo From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 6027 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 913 times:

"dats right you arm da passengers"


Pray hard but pray with care For the tears that you are crying now Are just your answered prayers
User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 891 times:

The story of American spelling versus English spelling is quite an interesting one. I can't remember who was behind it (I'll do some research and come back to you) but as originally proposed it would have gone much, much further than was eventually the case, offering "a troo exampel of fonetick speling". It wasn't taken to its logical conclusion but a few examples remained; e.g. color, favor etc. Equally, the issue of spelling words with a "z" rather than an "s", e.g specialize, socialize etc is deemed by the OED to be correct, as opposed to the way the British usually do so. Despite this, it hasn't caught on in the UK, and there is certainly no movement to widely introduce American spelling as LH423 says. As an aside, I've always wanted to know why we pronounce Lieutenant as LEFtenant rather than the American way which seems more logical...

Even so, it strikes me as a rather silly argument to have, since the whole strength of the English language is the flexibility that it possesses (all English speaking nations can actually understand each other!), particularly compared to virtually any other widely spoken tongue. Verbs and nouns can be interchanged or used as adjectives or adverbs depending on the need that arises, and rather than being frowned upon it should be celebrated.

The most famous split infinitive in history is "to boldly go", but this supposed example of bad English is based on rules that were put in place in the 19th century by a group of scholars who thought it would be rather a good idea to actually have some. The problem was that they used Latin principles and applied them to English, which was a terrible idea as English isn't a Latin based language in terms of construction.

Poor spelling is very common in English but it often comes about from typographical errors rather than true misspelling. The same confusion over grammatical rules is due to incorrect teaching based on these same antiquated rules.

I do think poor use of language can be jarring sometimes, but ultimately language is about communication, if that is achieved then it has served the purpose for which it was created. There's a real danger that people can become a little too precious about it. An example of this is the high number of Americanisms within the language. But it cuts both ways anyway, many words in American culture have been imported from British, Australian, Canadian, Indian (shampoo etc) and even South African (trek - Afrikaans) environments.

Don't get upset with it, embrace it. The language that stops developing dies. The French are making this mistake, don't let us do the same.



She's as nervous as a very small nun at a penguin shoot.
User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 882 times:
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Can anyone give me a reason why, in my job working in a translation agency, I get requests from US companies to translate American into English?

Hence if they consider what they have written NOT to be English, then why should I?

David/MAN


User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1969 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 883 times:

I'm part Indian part Chinese living in Singapore. I speak English at home, as well as to all my friends. The medium of instruction in all the schools I attended was English(as are all the schools in this country). I sat for the Cambridge 'O' level exams when I was 16 and Cambridge 'A' Level exams when I was 18(again, as do all students in this country). I learnt Chinese as a second language, though I'm not terribly good at it. I can't speak a word of any Indian language and I'm most comfortable speaking English.

When the British were here, they never imposed compulsory English education. When they left, the govt made it compulsory for the medium of instruction in all schools to be in English. All 16 and 18 year olds now have to take the Cambridge O and A levels respectively. They closed down the sole Chinese university and gradually turned all Chinese-medium schools into English-medium ones. As a result, we've had a significant number of Chinese/Indian kids grow up absolutely hating their own language.

I quite like some Chinese songs and movies and I'm kind of open to Chinese culture. However, I haven't read a single Chinese newspaper for 2 years, after I fulfilled the second language requirement. Since Indian culture is so intertwined with Hinduism and I'm not Hindu, I know nothing about Indian culture.

SO is English my mother tongue??


User currently offlineCarmy From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 875 times:

Besides the word color, which David_itl has already corrected to be colour, Delta_flyer has made the following spelling errors in his commendable effort to encourage the proper use of the English language.

American:
dialog

English:
dialogue

American:
realize

English:
realise

And no, I'm not British, but since the first day of school I've been taught by my teachers that in Singapore, we use English and not American.


User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (12 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 861 times:

David_itl: That's what I'm saying. There are some arrogant/ignorant people who feel that they speak American, however that number is few and widely spread out. Please don't generalize on such, because in my experience, certain English people are the only people that sometimes require subtitles when being interviewed in American tv, ie the Gallagher bros of Oasis required subtitles because you can't understand a word they say! Yet, they speak English? One highly suspects NOT!  Smile

Banco: Actually, I do remember seeing a web site that mentioned at one point a few years ago there was something put forward to the British government favouring a switch to American spelling, however, as it is really such an insignificant matter it probably got over-shadowed by more important issues at the time.
Also, the person responsible for the SOME of the spelling changes we see today was Webster. However, some fail to realize that many of the differences in the language today are a result of the physical and cultural separation between the United States and Britain. Over the course of 224 years since the US became independent from Britain, we have not adapted to some of the changes that were made to the language in the UK. As such, we spell certain words the same way the British did over 200 years ago. For example, "tranquility" (with one 'l') was the spelling back then, however over time "tranquillity" (two 'l's) was introduced, but the separation of the two nations prevented that new spelling from really catching on in the US, until recently, where "tranquillity" has become more common.

LH423



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25 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : Concerning that AE/BE stuff - my prediction is that through the next decades British English will become more similar to American English. Language s
26 Carmy : I'm personally of the opinion that the countries currently using English and those using American will simply continue using the respective styles of
27 Ihadapheo : ok I have one word for this, Esperanto,........ and what was the name of the only film made in this language??????? ...... hint beam me up
28 AerLingus : You fergin bastages!
29 Ihadapheo : yaowza someone got the Esperanto post. But can ya name the movie, I'll give another hint Kirk. Kirk, Kirk
30 Post contains images Thom@s : Me fail english? That's unpossible! Thom@s
31 Delta-flyer : Carmy, Besides the word color, which David_itl has already corrected to be colour, Delta_flyer has made the following spelling errors in his commendab
32 Post contains images JetService : Delta-flyer, excellent question. One not mentioned, is the use of 'two/too/to'. That is my biggest pet peeve. Here is a sample of that: I realize that
33 Post contains images Banco : Delta-Flyer: Don't you mean "aeroplane"? LH423: Your analysis of the divergence of English/English and American/English is spot on. Another example is
34 Post contains images LH423 : Banco: Totally agree with you on the disappearance of regional dialects. It's a common misconception among foreigners that all American's talk the sam
35 Delta-flyer : Don't you mean "aeroplane"? Yeah, that's exactly what I mean. And I go to the local aerodrome whenever I want to fly in an aeroplane. On the subject o
36 Post contains images Watewate : How about Canadian spelling? Center = Centre Check = Cheque That's the correct way to spell...at least in Canada.
37 Post contains images 9V-SVA : I have English as a first language, with Chinese as a second language. 9V-SVA
38 Post contains images Carmy : Watewate, That's how the we spell it in Singapore as well. Shows that British tradition stretches far and wide! Can't resist just one more. English -
39 Post contains images Banco : Delta-Flyer: Not sure if you misunderstood me, but "aeroplane" is very much in use these days in the UK, in exactly the same way as "airplane" statesi
40 Post contains images LH423 : Banco: I have heard that many Americans cannot tell the difference certain English accents and that of Australia, oddly though, I have never met anyon
41 David_itl : ...the Gallagher bros of Oasis required subtitles because you can't understand a word they say! Yet, they speak English? One highly suspects NOT! Ple
42 Delta-flyer : On the subject of Canadian/American dialects, I have seen it from both sides. In fact, I have lived in Canada and the US for exactly 22 years each! Wh
43 Post contains links Airways1 : Check this out for the mistake then: http://news.excite.com/news/ap/011113/05/int-koreas-talks
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