AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
If you do a Google News search using the terms, "Yo, Blair", you'll find an abundance of British newspaper articles largely criticizing both President Bush and Prime Minister Blair for their Candid Camera-style moment at the G-8 Summit in St. Petersburg some days ago.
Most articles I found from "across the pond", so to speak, criticized the Prime Minister for acting like the President's subordinate. One article allegedly began with the title, "Yo, Bush! Treat our prime minister with respect!", or some such thing.
But to top it all off, I was surprised to see the description of President Bush's behavior as having caused the Chancellor of Germany to throw up her hands in shock. The reason? An alleged shoulder massage.
What, exactly, was in the water they were serving at the Summit, I wonder?
To me, much seems to be being made of very little. On a personal level, the President and the Chancellor obviously seemed to like each other. After all, what's a little shoulder massage between friends?
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1590 times:
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 3): Havn't you guys seen the Simpsons? They were mereley transferring dna strands.
I'm afraid the reference doesn't ring a bell. Was it one of those Simpsons Halloween specials?
In any event, I must visit St. Petersburg, Russia one of these days. I'm not the President's age, so whatever it is that made him and the Chancellor so... delightfully friendly... might very well work with me, too. I hear they have some beautiful women there.
Columba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 6993 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1544 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter): But to top it all off, I was surprised to see the description of President Bush's behavior as having caused the Chancellor of Germany to throw up her hands in shock. The reason? An alleged shoulder massage.
MD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2651 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1509 times:
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6): He's a bit like Lyndon B. Johnson in that way. Johnson was also a stereotypical Texan.
GWB is not a stereotypical Texan, in fact he is not a Texan at all.
What an embarrassing meeting for the USA. First GWB utters the "S" word while chewing food with an open mouth, interspersed with the occasional release of a crumb projectile. Now he is found to be touching fellow world leaders as if they were all sharing a martini together in his personal hottub.
Do you think the graduates of Yale are proud of this man? Do you think his fellow Bonesmen are proud to call him a "Brother"? Good grief.
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1478 times:
Quoting Diamond (Reply 13): If he were a corporate employee, it would have cost him his career.
I think that, these days, you could be right.
In retrospect, it was not a wise thing for the President to have done, regardless of his intent. Viewing the video, it seems reasonable to conclude that the attention given to Chancellor Merkel was inappropriate and unwelcome.
Speaking of LBJ, here is my second-favorite story about that famous Texan:
LBJ arrived at an Air Force base and exited his limousine. An Airman next to him noticed where the President was headed and hurriedly pointed the Commander in Chief to his aircraft. "Mr. President," he said, "Your plane is this way."
LBJ stopped suddenly and looked at the young officer.
"Son," the President said with a drawl, "These here are all my planes."
NoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7891 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1427 times:
Quote: After appearing momentarily stunned, Merkel, the only female head of state at the G8, throws her arms up and shrugs her shoulders in protest.
According to those reports I came across it wasn't protest. She was surprised at first but then she was more kind of amused.
Who cares anyway, maybe it's inappropriate but it's certainly nothing embarrassing like Berlusconi was when he dressed as a pirate.
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 5497 posts, RR: 26 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1386 times:
I'm back and I've regain the mood to participate.
I don't think it is appropiate for any head of state to behave in that manner when in a public setting. If they were in a private meeting, then, to each his own, but not in public. That's what protocol is there for, and even if it may see to be harsh with its rules, it's there for something. If in the US there is an ongoing debate about female rights and what constitutes sexual harrasment among other issues, the representative of the people cannot show himself in a position where any of his constituents would be severly punished these days, as Diamond correctly pointed that out.
I hope this thread does not turn into a debate on the IQ of GWB or the GOP and the Democrats. What he did was show a lack of common sense and stately behavior.
My favorite LBJ story is that he was the one who did much to develop Houston, where I lived for three years and is one of my favorite cities. Thanks, LBJ.
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1302 times:
Hello, AR385! Welcome back.
I must say it took the mainstream U.S. media long enough to pick up on this story. It made the rounds only yesterday, whereas in Europe, the story is already several days old.
Regarding LBJ and Houston, I am inclined to agree. LBJ was a man of many motives, and some of them were quite helpful to his home state. Johnson Space Center is well-named for the President, I would venture.
AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1288 times:
Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 11): First GWB utters the "S" word while chewing food with an open mouth, interspersed with the occasional release of a crumb projectile.
He looked like a 2 year old when I saw him chewing with his mouth wide open. It reminded me of a cow chewing its cud.
Remember the flack LBJ got when he lifted his beagle by its ears in 1964? It was quite a big deal when it happened. LBJ naively claimed he hadn't done anything wrong. It's the same naivity that GWB has.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12675 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1266 times:
GWB sometimes like to act too friendly with people, even if it is inappropate in such settings. To me part is his ignorance as to other cultures. He has traveled little and rarely tried to learn about them (except perhaps Mexico). Another part is from only being around very tight circle of other rich people and the 'good old boy' network from school days, through Yale, and his adult life in Texas, limiting his exposure. A third part may be his need for attention and to keep it.
GWB has a strange attitude and respect for women. He apparently admired his mother more than his father, as probably his mother gave him a lot more attention and gave him unconditional love. Look around him, and he has a number of women in powerful positions, Sec. of State Rice being the best example. That adds to explaining his beheavors with the German Chanchellor.
AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
I still think that GWB was just trying to have a bit of fun with Angela Merkel. She obvoiusly likes him, although a bit less than GWB likes her, so I think that the President thought that she wouldn't mind.
She didn't seem to, really.
Yes, it was inappropriate, and no, I wouldn't recommend that anyone treat anyone else in such a way, particularly in a corporate setting. But I think that your insight -- that Mr. Bush is acting in a "good ol' boy" manner -- is quite persuasive.
I don't get the sense that the President believes that G-8 Summits are all that important, and it seems that he considers it, as I mentioned above, something of a vacation in all but form.
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25 AR385: Hey AerospaceFan, I appreciate your greeting! You forgot to mention the years of substance abuse, and I don't want to be too specific That is true. B
26 Levent: I wonder what Laura thought about George massaging Angela's shoulders?
27 AerospaceFan: AR385, you're more than welcome. Your comments about the expansion of the G-8 to include larger countries are thought-provoking. On one hand, the G-8
28 Klaus: Probably: "Thank god I'm off the hook this time...!"