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A Ceasefire Is Needed / Disarm Hizbollah  
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora told Milan-based newspaper Corriere della Sera in an interview published Thursday that the Hizbollah has been doing the bidding of Syria and Iran, and that it can only be disarmed with the help of the international community and once a cease-fire has been achieved in the current Middle East fighting.
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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1281 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
that it can only be disarmed with the help of the international community

nice thought, but who's going to do it? Anyone trying to disarm Hizbollah will immediately be labelled as pro-israel/america by themselves and their supporters and there'll just be another round of name calling.

It's never going to happen, the situation is just too polarised and there's no-one who is both wholly independent and with the power to actually bash heads and get stuff done.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

The Lebanese have to stand up to these groups themselves. Any poltical party with a militant arm shouldn't be accepted.

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3590 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1269 times:

At this point, we might as well let the Israelis disarm Hezbollah. The international "peacekeepers" that are already on the Israel/Lebanon border have already shown the extent of their value (none).

After the Israelis sufficiently weaken the terrorists, then perhaps the Lebanese armed forces can exert control within their own borders and wipe out the remnants.

I doubt it though.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 1):
but who's going to do it?

Tony Blair has offered to do so with British troops, but under U.N.-mandate

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 2):
The Lebanese have to stand up to these groups themselves.

How ? it is NOT a matter of "stand up", it is a military problem, and Lebanon does NOT have a strong enough army. Otherwise, Israel could NOT have gone beserk on Lebanese territory

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 3):
The international "peacekeepers" that are already on the Israel/Lebanon border have already shown the extent of their value (none).

That force has been far far too weak, both personnel and equipment-wise. It in future will have to be a credible strong and able force, and not some "pathfinders units" .

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 3):
the Lebanese armed forces can

that they are too weak for that job has become obvious previously. They might have a chance, if the Israelis repair the bridges of the Lungomare and lend them some modern military gear.


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1228 times:

Chirac says peace in lebanon necessitates "coercive means".
I guess he means a multinational force that would disarm the hezbollah.
With 400 000 palestininan refugees living outside the juridiction of the leb army and police, and Hezbollah running their own little state with an army of several thousands guerillas, lebanon could use some help for sure.



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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1214 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
Tony Blair has offered to do so with British troops,

Have we got any left?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
How ? it is NOT a matter of "stand up", it is a military problem, and Lebanon does NOT have a strong enough army.

Then Lebanon needs to tell its citizens to clear the South, and let Israel deal out just punishment to these terrorists.

Of course, the terrorists will try to melt back with the civilians, the cowards that they are.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 6):
Tony Blair has offered to do so with British troops,

Have we got any left?

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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
Then Lebanon needs to tell its citizens to clear the South, and let Israel deal out just punishment to these terrorists.

Of course, the terrorists will try to melt back with the civilians, the cowards that they are.

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A) the ugly thing is that it already is happening, as thousands of civilians of those regions already HAVE "cleared" the border area.
B) the Hizbullah militia in reality canNOT move "back" as the civilians move into Sunni regions where the militias have no support


User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1193 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

So if Hezbollah is disarmed, who will represent the interests of the Lebanese people? The prime minister? Yeah, right.


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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1182 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 10):
So if Hezbollah is disarmed, who will represent the interests of the Lebanese people? The prime minister? Yeah, right.

this is the funniest thing I've read all week.

Hezbollah's done a great fucking job representing the Lebanese people LOL...

A little more representation like that and there won't be anyone left.

That's like having the Crips represent the South Central Ladies' Garden Club and Sewing Circle.

Sheesh....whatta maroon.


User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1193 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1175 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
Sheesh....whatta maroon.

Ok, get off your ass and speak to people in Lebanon that are being bombarded and masacred by Israelis and tell THEM that Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation and that it should be disarmed. And then tell them that their government represents their interests and not Hezbollah, who seems to be the only group that actually gives a damn about what is going on in Lebanon right now. And you say that I am the moron.



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User currently offlineN229NW From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1943 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1166 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 12):
tell THEM that Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation and that it should be disarmed. And then tell them that their government represents their interests and not Hezbollah, who seems to be the only group that actually gives a damn about what is going on in Lebanon right now.

Sigh...Most Lebanese people do not like Hezbollah, and were in the course of trying to dismantle them slowly. Syria did not like that of course. Granted, the country is split on many of these issues (hence the brutal civil war in linving memory) and there are Hezbollah supporters especially in Southern Lebanon (overall they got roughly 15% of the vote recently)...truly you have no idea what you are talking about...

Of course, this bombing campaign will surely run up Hezbollah support massively, and allow more people to be taken in by their rhetoric of speaking for the people, one of the many reasons why the bombing is rotten...

[Edited 2006-07-20 18:34:52]


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 10):
Hezbollah is disarmed, who will represent the interests of the Lebanese people?

Hizbollah only represents a part of the Shi'ites in Lebanon, while other Shi'ites feel rather represented by Amal. And Hizbollah is NOT representing the Sunnis and the Christians.


User currently offlineFOMEA From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 849 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1148 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
Hizbollah only represents a part of the Shi'ites in Lebanon, while other Shi'ites feel rather represented by Amal

And some dont want to be represented by none of the Above.

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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 15):
Signed
Me.

How many much more of you are they ?
You are the hope for the future. I'd like to know.

I respect and understang the hate against israel, but Hezbollah in my eyes is turning into a reincarnation of the Nazi party.

Hezbollah, take your stupid war, idelogy of fear, intolerant doctrine, and brainwashing propaganda back to Iran.

[Edited 2006-07-20 20:13:51]


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1114 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 2):
The Lebanese have to stand up to these groups themselves



Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Hizbollah has been doing the bidding of Syria and Iran, and that it can only be disarmed with the help of the international community and once a cease-fire has been achieved in the current Middle East fighting

I say that if he asks for help the international community must help him and his government disarm this group. But he must accept that it's not going to be easy and it will get bloody.

Quoting Rolfen (Reply 16):
I respect and understang the hate against israel

How can you respect hatred? This is the attitude that has allowed Hizballah to exist this way for so long.

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 10):
So if Hezbollah is disarmed, who will represent the interests of the Lebanese people? The prime minister? Yeah, right.

Hizballah doesn't represent anyone other than themselves and their financial and political sponsors from outside Lebanon.



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1114 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 12):
Ok, get off your ass and speak to people in Lebanon that are being bombarded and masacred by Israelis and tell THEM that Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation and that it should be disarmed. And then tell them that their government represents their interests and not Hezbollah

Problem is they're all afraid of a new civil war.

Actually most of them dont care about the hezbollah they just want to live in peace.



rolf
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1110 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 10):
So if Hezbollah is disarmed, who will represent the interests of the Lebanese people? The prime minister? Yeah, right.

You make the mistake of assuming that Hezbollah was representing the interests of the Lebanese people in the first place.

-Mir



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
You make the mistake of assuming that Hezbollah was representing the interests of the Lebanese people in the first place.

Hezbollah represents the interests of iran.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1087 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 10):
So if Hezbollah is disarmed, who will represent the interests of the Lebanese people?

Hizballah representing interests of Lebanese Christians (40% of population) or Lebanese Sunni Muslims?
Hmmm let me see... Maybe the government and parliament elected in free elections not some private army of religious fanatical puppets sponsored from abroad.

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 12):
Hezbollah, who seems to be the only group that actually gives a damn about what is going on in Lebanon right now. And you say that I am the moron.

You proved it once again.  Sad


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20483 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1071 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 4):
Quoting Bill142 (Reply 2):The Lebanese have to stand up to these groups themselves.

How ? it is NOT a matter of "stand up", it is a military problem, and Lebanon does NOT have a strong enough army. Otherwise, Israel could NOT have gone beserk on Lebanese territory

I've been doing a lot of reading on the political and military make-up of southern Lebanon as a result of the hasty Israeli pull-out in 2000. It appears that it was so sudden that Hezbollah simply moved into the peace zone as the Israeli tanks were withdrawing in the night.

It's an interesting point in history, and I may do a post on it later.



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1807 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 17):
How can you respect hatred? This is the attitude that has allowed Hizballah to exist this way for so long.


I have had the fortune of living 15 years of peace and easy life in this country so I know there's more then hate in this life.
When your house is destroyed and familiy members injured by israeli bomb... over and over again... you cannot but hate.
You have to understand that 7 israeli soldiers get killed and 2 get abducted, and israel accuses hezbollah of having carried out a terrorist act, then goes on killing 300 civilians in one week.

I do not support violence. I do not support palestinian terrorism. I do not support israeli disregard for non-israeli human life. I am just saying that I can understand palestinians.

[Edited 2006-07-20 22:13:40]


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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20483 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1033 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 25):

I must be having a brain seizure. I don't understand what that photo has to do with this issue.



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25 Derico : It's my 'violence/war' picture. Both concepts do achieve the same level of confusion amongst people.
26 MD11Engineer : I think, after having watched the various conflicts involving Israel and it's neighbour states for almost all of my life (nearly 40 years now), that
27 Mia : I agree with disarming Hizbollah. But I also think that equally necessary is to disarm and end the financial subsidizing of the Zionist state of Israe
28 Post contains links and images BA : Saad-Ghorayeb says it's symptomatic that while Hezbollah's demands were supported by the population, the group never achieved very good electoral resu
29 Aleksandar : And they don't ask questions. Actually, yes. Return to the Cedar Revolution days. I can't tell them that now because there is hardly anyone rational
30 ANCFlyer : Seems to me the IDF is doing a fine job of disarming them all by their lonesome. I say let 'em continue to kill off the terrorist Hezbollah and worry
31 ME AVN FAN : thanks for that clarification. I am sure that MANY Shi'ites share your position. Does THIS matter ? HIS concern is that the main part of Lebanon can
32 LY7E7 : BA, For Lebanese army to confront IDF one simple thing has to occur: Hezbollah should not stand between them. But once that happens IDF will have no i
33 OD720 : I have no support for Hezbollah since they represent non Lebanese interests. They should drop their arms and concentrate on domestic politics. Actuall
34 Post contains images DLPMMM : Yeah, right And by the same logic, the Chechnyan terrorists are the only ones representing the interests of the Russian people. I didn't, but if the
35 AeroWesty : You totally missed what I said. It had nothing to do with when Hezbollah was formed.
36 ME AVN FAN : Not really. But the 2000 withdrawal of the Israelis was of relatively minor importance, in the framework of a development which had gone on since the
37 Post contains images Slider : Disarm Hezbollah... Yeah, good luck with that notion. That will never happen until they are entirely annihilated....wiped off the planet, period. That
38 Semsem : TU204 whose talking? Russia flattened the poor Czechens. Today Russia supports Iran whose aim is to use Hezzbolah to destroy Israel and create havoc t
39 DL021 : I understand that the Lebanese people allow Hizballah to operate from their country without resistance and even support them in many areas. I underst
40 ME AVN FAN : no, the Lebanese people did NOT "allow" them anything but the leadership simply did NOT see a way to act against them. Neither "the people" nor the g
41 Rolfen : That precisely is why I think that Lebanon has a very short windows to get rid of the hezbollah now, as all the word is watching. Because of all the
42 ME AVN FAN : THIS is what I stated before. I in last October read in the DailyStar that many potential investors finally refused to invest due to the Hizbollah ma
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