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Does Anyone Pay List Price For Their Vehicle?  
User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

As the title says, who pays the actual window sticker price when purchasing a vehicle ?

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[Edited 2006-07-25 16:05:47]


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Morons and idiots perhaps. Show me someone who pays sticker price for a car and I'll show you a sucker.


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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

The very gullible - I might pay the price IF it had extras above what would normally be included in the price - though over here it normally works on the basis that you select a model and negotiate.


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User currently offlineManuCH From Switzerland, joined Jun 2005, 3011 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1928 times:
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In Switzerland you pick your extras, then negotiate the price. Even if you don't negotiate, resellers automatically offer a basic discount on list price "just because".

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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

The only time it makes sense is for those who are buying the very latest desirable short-supply models and quickly sellnig them on at above list price.

The Audi RS4 is one car in the UK that is currently selling at a higher price second hand than brand new due to the long waiting lists



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User currently offlineCFCUQ From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

I select the desired vehicle and equipment, then send out a tender form to several dealers of that particular product, the dealers then bid for my business. Nothing like competition to correct any price issues.

User currently offlineGregtx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1917 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 1):
Morons and idiots perhaps. Show me someone who pays sticker price for a car and I'll show you a sucker.

Nope. Hardly an idiot, moron, or even a little gullible.

If it's a limited production or limited availability, then you may have to--if you want it. I waited 18 months for my car and they wouldn't take off a penny.

In my case, I went for other accessories, extended warranty, and other extras to offset the 'unbudging' sticker price (it was a BMW). It likely came to close to what a normal car deal would be...

I was interested in learning that in CA, Mustang GT500's are currently at $20K (yes) over list price. I can't believe that this...since the frezny for them will likely die in about a year....

Oh well.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 4):
The Audi RS4 is one car in the UK that is currently selling at a higher price second hand than brand new due to the long waiting lists

True here for M5's and M6's that are untilted (and no mileage)


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 6):
If it's a limited production or limited availability, then you may have to--if you want it.

Slave to fashion or the latest design trying to be cooler than your neighbor does not keep one from being a moron. Quite sad actually.

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 6):
I waited 18 months for my car and they wouldn't take off a penny.

Sounds like you got screwed by the dealer. There is always room to negotiate unless of course it is a "hot" car and then see my first statement.

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 6):
I was interested in learning that in CA, Mustang GT500's are currently at $20K (yes) over list price. I can't believe that this...since the frezny for them will likely die in about a year....

Again, see my first statement. Running out to buy a car because you think you'll look like hot shit in it is ridiculous. Some people are more concerned about looks than not getting screwed....me, I drive a 2005 Accord (just got rid of my 1996 Accord) with pride in knowing I'm secure enough not to need a car to make me feel or look better.



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User currently offlineYooYoo From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 6057 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Buy Saturn and you but list.  Wink


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 8):
Buy Saturn and you but list.

Buy Saturn and you spend too much for said car.  Wink

Same goes for Carmax and AutoNation or any "No Haggle" places.



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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 9):
Same goes for Carmax and AutoNation or any "No Haggle" places.

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I'll even take that one step further and say this: If you're at the dealership for less than 4 hours from start to finish, then you haven't gotten a good deal.  Wink



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 10):
If you're at the dealership for less than 4 hours from start to finish, then you haven't gotten a good deal.

How about 7 hours for the 2 cars I bought last weekend? At the end of it I was exhausted and all I did was sit down. It amazes me the crap you have to go through to negotiate a price with a dealer. No wonder I only buy a car every 10 years.



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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1879 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
with pride in knowing I'm secure enough not to need a car to make me feel or look better.

But insecure enough to judge other people based on the cars they buy and how they spend the money they earn.

Also, fact is that some people enjoy driving their cars and are willing to pay a premium to have a new, high performance vehicle rather than travel around in a sterile Accord or minivan.


User currently offlineGregtx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
Slave to fashion or the latest design trying to be cooler than your neighbor does not keep one from being a moron. Quite sad actually

Slave to fashion..WTF? Makes no sense. I'ts one of the more anticipated cars in the last two years. Paying a couple grand more to have something a little different than mass market is fine with me. No tears being shed here!

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
Sounds like you got screwed by the dealer. There is always room to negotiate unless of course it is a "hot" car and then see my first statement

Not all compensation is with the list price---you can deal on any number of things from financing, to trade in, to options, accessories, warranties, etc, etc. Like I said....I paid list--but the total deal was the same as if I negotiated a fair deal. I was pleased....not overjoyed...just pleased. No regrets about the purchase.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 7):
Again, see my first statement. Running out to buy a car because you think you'll look like hot shit in it is ridiculous. Some people are more concerned about looks than not getting screwed....me, I drive a 2005 Accord (just got rid of my 1996 Accord) with pride in knowing I'm secure enough not to need a car to make me feel or look better.

I'll agree with ya here...I don't even like those cars..but I guess it's worth it too collectors.

I'm plently secure myself--even arrogant. As an attorney, it's important that clients know I'm successul---I would hardly get away with that in a low end sedan. It makes my clients look and feel important more than me! Clearly, I am not as price sensitive on purchases as you--which is fine.

Again..horses for courses--needs are different for everyone. Glad you like your Honda--they seem like nice cars. My secretary has one and she swears by it.


User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5692 posts, RR: 32
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1865 times:

When you trade-in your car you pay the list price. Where you make or lose money is on the value of your trade-in.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13096 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

In some places where dealers for a brand or a competiting brand are rare, then pricing may tend to be higher. With the availability of research on the internet, buying services and competition of many dealers in some metro areas all advertising low prices, the odds of paying MSRP are rare for most cars.

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 13):
I'm plently secure myself--even arrogant. As an attorney

Arrogant...attorney? Never!  Wink

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 13):
it's important that clients know I'm successul---I would hardly get away with that in a low end sedan. It makes my clients look and feel important more than me!

Just my opinion but if potential and current clients judge you based on the car you drive that is just retarded. I could give two shits if my lawyer drives a loaded BMW or a Honda Accord (by no means a low end sedan) as long as he wins the case for me.

I suppose there are plenty of people out there who are obsessed with image...I just happen not to be one. Of course, no need to get off on a rant here. I like a nice car as much as anyone else. Hell, I'd love a BMW but right now I can't justify the expense (and I make enough to afford the top of the line) compared to what it will give back to me.



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User currently offlineMBMBOS From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

If you're looking for a small, reliable economy car in the Boston market you will pay full price. I've done everything I can to nick a few dollars off of a new Corolla or Civic and nothing doing. I've gone between dealerships and shown them what the competitor is offering to no avail. If I want one of those two cars, I will have to pay full price.

User currently offline777DadandJr From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1516 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 6):
I was interested in learning that in CA, Mustang GT500's are currently at $20K (yes) over list price

You may rcall back in 89 when Mazda introduced the Miata, they has a list price on then of about $13,000. Because of the demand, they were going out the door for up to $25,000! The VW New Beetle was the same way.

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 8):
Buy Saturn and you but list.

Buy a Saturn and you'll get to know your service guy very well!


When buying a new car, here is my best advice. Walk into the dealer, already financed.
You have just taken away the dealers biggest advantage. And, if possible, walk in financed, make your best deal, then say, oh, and by the way, I'd like to trade this!

It has worked for me, and I have purchased many cars. My last, a 2000 BMW 323i Sportwagon went out the door for $31000, with a sticker of $37900.
(and it ain't no stripper!)

Russ



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User currently offlineGregtx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 16):
Just my opinion but if potential and current clients judge you based on the car you drive that is just retarded. I could give two shits if my lawyer drives a loaded BMW or a Honda Accord (by no means a low end sedan) as long as he wins the case for me.

If you want to network with the right folks that have the cash..it's not just your car---it's your clothes, shoes, watch, home, where you eat, drink, etc. No shame in looking your best or surounding yourself with nice things as long as you can afford it---car included. Hell, it's all a business expense to me anyway since I'm a partner. If money's not any issue...why not have a kick ass car? Even at list price.

Didn't mean your Honda was low end...was thinking of another brand.

And yeah...we're basically an arrogant bunch!  Smile But only good as our last lawsuit....


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Forget the list price, more and more people don't even buy their cars, they lease them. That's usually quite a bit cheaper, plus maintenance cost is on the manufacturer Big grin .

User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting 777DadandJr (Reply 18):
and by the way, I'd like to trade this!

Unless you're also trying to get the best value for your trade-in. If you've already killed them on a deal, they're not about to take any more of a hit than they have to on your trade-in. At that point, you're all but saying "I accept whatever you're about to give me for this".

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
Forget the list price, more and more people don't even buy their cars, they lease them.

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Which is negotiated in essentially the identical manner to that of a finance: Vehicle "selling" price, length of term, trade-in value, etc.



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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2673 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 14):
When you trade-in your car you pay the list price.

If that's happened to you, I feel for you. I traded in my last car to buy a VW Jetta and still paid $3000 under MSRP. Not to mention the dealer gave me quite a bit more than Blue Book Trade-In Value for my old car. When I walked out of that dealership knowing I had just gotten an incredible deal on a fully-loaded new Jetta, it was a good day.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 19):
If you want to network with the right folks that have the cash..it's not just your car---it's your clothes, shoes, watch, home, where you eat, drink, etc.

Agreed. Money may not buy happiness but it sure does put a nice down payment on it.

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 19):
No shame in looking your best or surounding yourself with nice things as long as you can afford it---car included. Hell, it's all a business expense to me anyway since I'm a partner. If

Agreed. As a consultant I am expected to know more than the client, be better prepared, and do just about everything better than them. I always make sure that whatever their dress code is I'm one better...short of wearing a tux to the office.

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 19):
But only good as our last lawsuit....

At least you're somewhat grounded in reality.  Wink

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
more and more people don't even buy their cars, they lease them.

Doesn't work when you put 20,000+ miles a year on a car like me but it would be nice to do for the lower cost.



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 23):
Doesn't work when you put 20,000+ miles a year on a car like me but it would be nice to do for the lower cost.

Okay, if you're an excessive driver. Though I gotta say, if our company didn't have two leased cars, we'd probably be over the 15,000km-limit after July each year.


25 Post contains images KFLLCFII : While I don't remember the exact figures off the top of my head, the contract "selling" price was $3000-$4000 under the list price, and the trade-in
26 Halls120 : I did - once. I wanted a german built VW rabbit instead of the american built models coming off the line in 1979. Which were crap. The dealership had
27 Post contains images Birdwatching : Wonder why nobody has posted the real reason for the sticker prices. It may be true that almost nobody pays sticker price. This is intentional. In fac
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