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Tour De France Winner Landis Tests Positive  
User currently offlineLON-CHI From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Breaking news headline on MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14059185/

[Edited 2006-07-27 16:20:49]

[Edited 2006-07-27 16:21:33]

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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

here's the link.. although it doesn't mention Landis' name

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/news...RUKOC_0_UK-CYCLING-TOUR-DOPING.xml



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User currently offlineLON-CHI From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

This might explain why he never turned up for a race in Denmark today...

Tour de France winner is no-show in Denmark, Netherlands


User currently offlineClogman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Well what a surprise. Its Tour De France. Everyone is using sterioids and doping Big grin

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Quoting Clogman (Reply 3):
Well what a surprise. Its Tour De France. Everyone is using sterioids and doping

It's only cheating if you get caught. And it appears that Phugly Phonak Phloyd possibly got caught. Ban him, fire him from his team, and treat him as a disgraceful cheater if it is found to be true.

I'm betting we get an excuse about how it was some pill for his hip injury that was unknowingly given to him by some doctor as the culprit.

All speculation though...let's get more details.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

I guess we have to wait for the results on his B sample, nothing is definitive until then. But as it has already been said, it's such a dirty spot as it is, this is just one more smear on its image.

If the Tour started this why, you can't be surprised for it to end this way.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
It's only cheating if you get caught.

No, cheating is cheating. You only get punished if you're caught.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

Quoting LON-CHI (Reply 2):
This might explain why he never turned up for a race in Denmark today...

Yup... ESPN just confirmed it was Landis.... how stupid can you be??



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 6):
No, cheating is cheating. You only get punished if you're caught.

I know. Just a quote from an old football (American style you Euroweenies!) coach on how to get away with illegal blocks. Of course that is a horrible travesty of sports that I would never condone with impressionable youth.  Wink



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

This is a fucking disaster.....

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 9):
This is a fucking disaster.....

Honestly, as bad as this is for Landis, this is just as bad for the Tour. Not only do they have to eliminate most of the front runners before the Tour even starts, but now they will probably have to strip the winner of his championship.

Makes the Tour and professional cycling look like a joke, and it will be a while before they gain much legitimacy back.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2445 times:

Reports say that Landis had excessive amounts of testosterone, in other words steroids. That's a bit surprising because the benefits (so to speak) of steroids are more commonly associated with sports requiring explosive strength, not endurance sports such as distance cycling.


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User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Quoting PROSA (Reply 11):
That's a bit surprising because the benefits (so to speak) of steroids are more commonly associated with sports requiring explosive strength, not endurance sports such as distance cycling.

That´s right but I suppose that, like it has been in a lot of other cases, these steroids were just one condiment of a very substantial cocktail. You don´t seriously think that if somebody is willing to cheat this way, he won´take advantage of all accessible drugs that he thinks he might benefit from in some way.
Cycling has been a dirty sport for centuries and if it doesn´t change now, it will never do.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2394 times:

Quoting Clogman (Reply 3):
Its Tour De France.

I a good while ago heard from somebody who takes part in private "races" of the basically harmless kind, that unbelievably many participants are heavily doped. Don't know whether true, just wondered.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 7):
.... how stupid can you be??

and why do the doctors in charge hand out medication of a strength to be detected ? do they speculate that there will be no testing ?


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13198 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Apparently this postive sample was from after his amazing 'comeback' in the 17th stage. That had to raise red flags. No wonder he went into hiding the last few days, he probably knew he had a positive test. Of course, the 2nd "B" sample will be tested to confirm the 1st sample.
If it is confirmed, he brought shame to the Tour (if with its history of doping scandals, could it get worse?), himself, his fine religious family, his friends, his team, his sponsors and his country - the USA. He should also face criminal penalties under French Law.
If he is declared as doped, I would assume there will be an appeals process. Then if he loses that, then what happens to the title? Of course, the real winner never gets the public attention he deserved and that is sad too.


User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Fact for speculation: Floyd Landis is Lance Armstrong's former teammate

User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 14):
and why do the doctors in charge hand out medication of a strength to be detected ?

 dollarsign  dollarsign  dollarsign 


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 16):
Fact for speculation: Floyd Landis is Lance Armstrong's former teammate

My cousin also once ran into Barry Bonds on the street. He also plays football. Therefore he must be doing steroids.

Keep your little speculatory facts to yourself.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2363 times:
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Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 16):
Fact for speculation: Floyd Landis is Lance Armstrong's former teammate

Nice flamebait, Jonathan. Way to contribute to a thread about Floyd.  sarcastic 




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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3086 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Two kinds of riders...

Those who are using drugs and those who have not been caught YET.

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2349 times:
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Quoting Greasespot (Reply 20):
Two kinds of riders...

Those who are using drugs and those who have not been caught YET.

A 100% incorrect and shortsighted statement.

Not all riders use drugs, as you suggest. In fact, suggesting such a thing is a real slap in the face to the (many) clean racers out there. Very disrespectful, and surprising coming from you, Greasespot.




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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2349 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 21):

Not all riders use drugs, as you suggest. In fact, suggesting such a thing is a real slap in the face to the (many) clean racers out there. Very disrespectful, and surprising coming from you, Greasespot.

The fact is, though, more and more people see cycling as a dirty sport, especially with the amount of people kicked out of the tour. It needs to get its act together fast.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
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Quoting Newark777 (Reply 22):

The fact is, though, more and more people see cycling as a dirty sport, especially with the amount of people kicked out of the tour. It needs to get its act together fast.

I agree completely....but to suggest that all racers are dopers is way out of line.




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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

He apparently got tested positive for Testosterone.

What a shock (!)



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25 DL021 : If Landis is guilty then he needs to be banned from the sport. Will the French never let go of that, even though it's been investigated to death? poor
26 9V-SPF : Using this argumentation, you would have to accuse almost every rider of being a cheater...I´m not saying that this would be too far off target thou
27 Greaser : In his defense, what about the meds he was taking for his hip condition? IT MIGHT have been possible that a side effect of these meds would be increas
28 Newark777 : Right, as with baseball and other sports. I wonder how Robbie McEwen feels about all this.... Harry
29 Slider : What a damn disgrace. You know, I didn't give a rip about this Tour sans Lance, but got caught up with Landis's amazing comeback.....one of the great
30 Scbriml : I agree this is a real downer. For the fans and for the other sportsmen involved. I remember staying up in to the middle of the night to watch the 10
31 ZRH : No it is fucking funny. I am laughing my ass off these morons. I learned that testosterone also helps you to recover much faster. I am 100% convinced
32 Post contains images Halls120 : I'm not so sure I'd stop at cycling. The use of performance enhancing drugs has made virtually every sport - especially at the professional level - s
33 Post contains images Newark777 : There's also people 100% sure that planes produce chemtrails. Doesn't mean shit. They've been the ones bitching about him for years. They just can't
34 Searpqx : As everyone has said, if verified with his 'B' sample, Landis deserves to have the book thrown at him. And of course, this doesn't help cycling's rep
35 Greasespot : Your right...I am Just pissed at the whole sport right now...This is the first year that i have not watched any of it or taped it for use while i am
36 Post contains images 2H4 : I can sympathize. The whole mess is a big step backward for not only racing, but the sport in general. 2H4
37 SA7700 : Can you please present the evidence councillor? If not, you are out of order and technically a disgrace to your profession. Rgds SA7700
38 Newark777 : None of the other sports have had so many leaders of the sport test positive for performance enhancing drugs. I mean, most people criticize Bonds, si
39 Searpqx : Because, at least in the states, players unions have done an amazing job of protecting the players from rigerous testing. And yet the circumstantial
40 Post contains images Boeing7E7 : He tested positive for "high Testosterone levels" on an "A" test. Dude's got a nut sack the size of Texas. Maybe it's just normal for him. Think about
41 Newark777 : Trust me, I completely agree with you, but I'm just saying that the difference is that in cycling we have hard facts and test results to prove the pr
42 Post contains links Greasespot : Archived urine samples from the 1999 Tour de France were later retested for the presence of synthetic erythropoietin, or EPO, which can boost an athle
43 2H4 : Without a positive B sample, not only can you not convict...you cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was, in fact, doping... 2H4
44 Greasespot : Yes that is why he is still the champ.....However......The dots are not that far apart.......In fact they are almost close enough to make a straight l
45 2H4 : I see your point, but at the same time, I think it's unfair to burn him at the stake until we have 100% conclusive proof. Do we have any idea when th
46 Beaucaire : Phonak team :Tyler Hamilton -doped Oscar Camenzind -doped Santiago Perez -doped Floyd Lendis-doped...... I though the Swiss only make good chocolates.
47 Sebolino : ??? He was tested positive.
48 Newark777 : Thanks for the links. Until you provide them, you just sound like more of a whiny sore loser. Harry
49 2H4 : A positive B-sample is required to confirm the allegations that he did something illegal, but even then, there are exceptions... 2H4
50 Post contains links 2H4 : ...From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/jul06/jul28news2: Floyd Landis has broken his silence about his high T/E ratio that could co
51 DeltaGator : Ah ha! Well I said hip injury way back at the beginning but good enough for government work. Blame it on the mdeicine as usual.
52 DL021 : I was talking to my neighbor the doctor (who is also an athlete, as is his girlfriend who is near Olympic caliber) and he says it's difficult to take
53 ME AVN FAN : possibly not more intelligent but a better doctor who knew how to stay just BELOW the limits. If you have problems with the hormones a monthly vaccin
54 2H4 : Well, we're in the minority. Jumping to conclusions, making assumptions, and trashing Floyd before all the facts are in seems to be all the rage here
55 ME AVN FAN : you in a way contradict yourself. You in one post speak about the mess and the whole sport and in the next post try to scale down the matter somehow.
56 Newark777 : If he turns out to be guilty, it certainly appropriate to bash Landis. He helped make the Tour look like a farce. Harry
57 2H4 : Not at all. I maintain that the doping issues this year are bad for the sport. I also maintain that people should wait until all of the facts are in
58 ME AVN FAN : true, but it not only is this year, it not only is the Tour de France, but also the Tour de Suisse and the Giro d'Italia and others. The reason the T
59 Newark777 : It is ultimately the athlete's responsibility to know what they are putting into their bodies. You can't punish the doctors unless they are doing som
60 Greasespot : See post 42...I gave a link with regards to lance......Unfortunatly there are no b samples.....but take if how you want... I agree....If I was an eli
61 2H4 : The reason I consider the Tour de France doping to be more destructive to the sport is simply because of it's higher publicity and popularity when co
62 Boeing7E7 : A statement in a case by an insurance company that didn't want to pay up.... The same case in which Lance was cleared. Nice try. Also from the ENTIRE
63 ME AVN FAN : you unfortunately of course are correct in legal terms. But new rules also should make the doctors taking more responsibility, as they are the ones w
64 Jonathan-l : Actually I am American just as much as I am French. I really don't mind who wins the Tour de France, and ref my first sentence, I am actually glad wh
65 Boeing7E7 : Plenty of that happened when it happened.
66 Dougloid : I heard this morning that what's at issue here is not his testosterone level per se, but his ratio of testosterone to some metabolite or other. All of
67 Post contains links Greasespot : Epo is out of the system two weeks after last dose....not two years.... http://outside.away.com/outside/body...ork/200311/200311_drug_test_1.html Thi
68 LTBEWR : To me the comments of Landis at the 'press conference' of having a 'high natural level of testerone' pins the bullstuff meter to overload. There needs
69 Dougloid : Another thing I heard today is that the test for the record will show whether his testosterone level is naturally occuring or whether it is pharmaceut
70 2H4 : I bet he simply rode within 100 feet or so of Chuck Norris. It's probably as simple as that. 2H4
71 Dougloid : Was that some kinda osmosis thang going on? You know, I have given this whole subject a lot of thought over the last few days and 2H4 you're pretty k
72 DeltaGator : Ok, pet peeve here...osmosis is the diffusion of water, and nothing else, across a membrane. All osmosis is diffusion but not all diffusion is osmosi
73 Post contains images 2H4 : You know, I am of the opinion that he did not. It just doesn't add up. As I understand it, the effects of steroids and testosterone are long-term. No
74 Post contains images 2H4 : Chuck Norris' testosterone doesn't give a rat's ass about osmosis or diffusion. I think those results are expected sometime in the next week or two.
75 Dougloid : Your understanding of the effects of testosterone use are more or less equal to mine....it is something of a building block kind of thing-had he need
76 Post contains links and images 2H4 : Oh man....you're making me feel bad for owning a bike that's worth four times what my car is worth, and then neglecting so much this summer.... Here
77 AAden : well not everyone one can be like lance
78 N1120A : It shouldn't. Other than perhaps water-based injectable testosterone, no anabolic hormone can cause a sudden burst of strength, and even water-based
79 Post contains images Dougloid : Here's my twelve dollar Cannondale
80 2H4 : That's a good score for $12. I'd maybe wrap the bars with some new cushy gel cork tape, and I'd definitely put clipless pedals/shoes on your list of
81 2H4 : See, this is what bothers me most about the whole thing.....he's constantly being compared with average adult males. As cyclingnews.com reported, a s
82 Dougloid : It fits pretty well if just a little tall but getting on board is sometimes an issue because my legs do not bend at the hip as well as they used to. S
83 Dougloid : Next time I have one I will lift a beer to Stefano Garzelli-last man to finish this year's Tour. The operative word is 'finish'. That takes a LOT of
84 Post contains links QANTAS077 : Looks pretty bad for him, set to be dumped from Phonak... PARIS, France (AP) -- Tour de France champion Floyd Landis' "B" sample confirmed high levels
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