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Wal Mart Gives Up The German Market  
User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2074 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

We`ve had some discussions about the expansion of WalMart in the world and its problems in Germany.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1155175 Walmart Taking Over Earth!
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1049389 Wal-Mart: Good, Bad Or Evil?
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/825485 Is Wal Mart Good For America?
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/898011 Wal-Mart, One Of The Best Things About America

Now WalMart gives up his fight in one of the most important markets in the world. The stores will be sold.

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,428975,00.html

The mights of the dark side will be defeated!!!

Axel

[Edited 2006-07-28 11:41:27]


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User currently offlineSkyman From Germany, joined May 2006, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

What they are leaving?  goodvibes   goodvibes  One bad company less in Germany.

User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2873 times:

Now where are you going to get cheap lederhosen and beer stiens at 3am?


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2865 times:

Yeah, big difference, so instead of Wal-Mart trying to control the German market, now the METRO-Group will be more powerful in attempting the same feat  Yeah sure .

User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2074 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 2842 times:

Quoting Stormbringer (Reply 2):
Now where are you going to get cheap lederhosen and beer stiens at 3am?

I don`t know, where you buy Lederhosen and beer stiens. I and everyone here never has any need for this stuff.  Yeah sure No matter, at what time.  Wink

Axel



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days ago) and read 2832 times:
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I once shopped at K-Markt in Frankfurt. Is that in any way related to the American K-Mart (Came-apart)?


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User currently offlineStormbringer From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 4):
I don`t know, where you buy Lederhosen and beer stiens. I and everyone here never has any need for this stuff.

You've shattered my illusions of Germany  Confused



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User currently offlineSCCutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5487 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

All this hostility toward Wal-Mart is confusing. If you don't like them, exercise your right to shop elsewhere. It appears that the German market has spoken in this way.


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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12213 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2813 times:
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Quoting SCCutler (Reply 7):
All this hostility toward Wal-Mart is confusing. If you don't like them, exercise your right to shop elsewhere. It appears that the German market has spoken in this way.

Walmart is just the company we love to hate. "Everybody" hates Walmart, yet the parking is ALWAYS a zoo, and there are ALWAYS people shopping there, even at 3-4 am.

I love Walmart, where else can you get everything you need at that time of night  Smile



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
Walmart is just the company we love to hate. "Everybody" hates Walmart, yet the parking is ALWAYS a zoo, and there are ALWAYS people shopping there, even at 3-4 am.

It's the same with McDonalds. Supposedly, around 110% of this planet's population absolutely hates McD's from the bottom of their hearts, yet McD's continues to grow, make more money, and sell more burgers. Most people who hate something like McD or Wal-Mart just say that because it's the "in" thing to do.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13029 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

They made a serious mistake going into Germany in the first place. They could never force their 'American' style of treating employees and shop hours there. Germany has very rigid labor laws and retail shop hours, along with strong business and consumer support for them that they never could challange or change. They have been far more successful in the UK when they took over Asda as the UK is far more flexible as to labor utilization and retail shop hours. For those that bash WalMart, are they really that much worse than Target, K-Mart and other 'big box' retail stores as to treatment of their employees and how they affect the communities they have stores in?

User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

Was???!!!!!

I must admit that I've gone to Berlin's Neukoelln location a few times, as
well as the one in Essen's Porsche Platz. They were always busy, but
I do think that being restricted from setting their own operating hours
prevented them from maximizing their potential revenue.

However, I will always be faithful to Real Supermarkt. They are my first
choice for grocery shopping (except for fruits and vegetables).



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User currently offlineTexasaggie From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2719 times:

I was kind of surprised when I saw this this morning.

When I was in Germany, I could definitely sense the feelings of hostility toward McDonald's, and I could tell a little bit that people were against Wal-Mart.

What's the popular attitude toward Aldi in Germany?


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Walmart fails to realise that the tactics it uses in the US market, don't work in other markets. This is why they failed in Germany, Korea and other markets which it has pulled out of.

User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2683 times:

Quoting Texasaggie (Reply 12):
What's the popular attitude toward Aldi in Germany?

You do realize that Aldi is a German company...not American.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2673 times:

I find that the Wal Marts in Germany are in comparison to it's North American counterparts (from a shoppers point of view). Most of the Wal Marts in NA are more of a department store with a smaller grocery section. Lots of good prices on a large selection of clothes, household items, electronics, etc. Most of the Wal Marts I shopped at in Germany, were the complete opposite. Large grocery section with the other departments being much, much smaller.

The prices in Germany were quite reasonable to other stores such as REAL, but if there is one thing that Germany has alot of, its discount grocery stores. I'm sure it was quite hard for Wal Mart to compete with the likes of Aldi, Lidl, Penny Markt and the bunch. Could this also have been a factor?



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 13967 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2668 times:

Compared to Walmarts in the US I've seen the German counterparts seem to be cleaner as well. Maybe especially German housewives have a lower tolerance for dirt than their American counterparts and would refuse to go shopping in a dirty store.

Jan


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

The German consumer loses and Wal*Mart makes a good decision as it had...

1. Language barriers.
2. Difficulty with German labor and their unions (Wal*Mart is not unionized)
3. Stagnant German consumer spending (No growth)
4. Wal*Mart's business strategies did not work in Germany

A very good business decision on Wal*Mart's part. The shareholders are happy to dump Germany believe me.

Good luck with Metro AG.  biggrin 



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2634 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 17):
The German consumer loses

I don't exactly feel like losing ...

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 14):
You do realize that Aldi is a German company...not American.

This is not really relevant, since other US companies are successful in Germany, last was Starbucks, and I admit that it did surprise me to see the quick expansion of Starbucks in Germany against the background of a very strong competition. In the case of Starbucks, being American supposedly helped.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 17):
4. Wal*Mart's business strategies did not work in Germany

That's the quintessence of the story.



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2074 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

The main reason for their billion Dollar loss was their arrogant entrance on the market. They didn`t make analyses of the conditions in Germany. They came and expected to conquer a market without any clue about it and underestimated the competition. Analysts criticised their appearance from the beginning.

Der Spiegel in english: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,429137,00.html

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 17):
A very good business decision on Wal*Mart's part. The shareholders are happy to dump Germany believe me.

Fine that you find it so positiv. Yes, in respect of the great loses they are happy.

But loosing on the third greatest market in the world in such a mournful way should be a shame for this spoiled company (actually for every company) and some heads should roll now at Wal Mart.

Axel

[Edited 2006-07-29 18:21:40]

[Edited 2006-07-29 18:22:13]


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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 19):
Analysts criticised their appearance from the beginning.

Walmart stores are incredibly ugly on the outside, and unkempt on the inside. Only K mart is worse. On the other hand, Target stores in the US are just the opposite - and they manage to make a profit while maintaining low prices.

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 19):
But loosing on the third greatest market in the world in such a mournful way should be a shame for this spoiled company (actually for every company) and some heads should roll now at Wal Mart.

Maybe heads should roll, but I find it refreshing that not every country is going to look alike. When we went to Ireland two years ago, the only McDonalds we saw was at Shannon, and we saw no (yea!) Starbucks. Don't get me wrong, I like Starbucks, but I don't want to see one on every street corner of the globe.


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Yeah from what i heard the germans here they still have a place they can go get cheap crap.....  Smile

Not sure what CH thinks they are supposed to be losing...

For the Germans on here...Do you see this as a good thing or bad thing?


GS



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2074 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 20):
Walmart stores are incredibly ugly on the outside, and unkempt on the inside. Only K mart is worse. On the other hand, Target stores in the US are just the opposite - and they manage to make a profit while maintaining low prices.

Sorry, I used the wrong word. I meant more: Analyst criticised their acting from the beginning.  sorry 

But you are right. Their stores are really ugly and unkempt. Even more than Aldi stores.

Axel



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 23):
But you are right. Their stores are really ugly and unkempt. Even more than Aldi stores.

Axel

You should see some of their older stores here is the US. Disgusting, quite frankly.


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2074 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 21):
For the Germans on here...Do you see this as a good thing or bad thing?

Here is a strong competition by different companys, which are even cheaper than Wal Mart, and many others on Wal Marts price level (and indeed others more expensive). It`s a strong and tough market. Nobody misses Wal Mart or will miss the next looser. We can shop everywhere for every price we want. (Cheap or luxurious goods) Big grin

Axel



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25 NoUFO : Couldn't care less. I often avoid supermarkets in general and buy groceries on a market, a farmer's market that is. Some things Wal Mart - in my opin
26 Texasaggie : What led you to believe I thought it was American? I was wanting to know about the popular opinion of Aldi in Germany.
27 Post contains images DAL767400ER : That really depends. The Wal-Mart I usually go to is usually very clean and in good condition, whereas my 2 local Aldis are, well, 2 POS's: Dirty flo
28 Oldeuropean : Well, Aldi is cheap, but the range in the repertoire isn`t large. But 2 times a week they have special offers. Sometimes PCs, digital cameras, printe
29 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Actually, they were more recognized as the shops of the Turkish population in Germany .
30 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : I forgot to add that Germany's very difficult regulatory environment makes it hard to open large Wal*Mart type stores and thus Wal*Mart's low prices d
31 ACDC8 : As far as store cleanliness goes, I can't say anything for the US stores, but the stores up here in Canada are very clean, very bright and open. A ver
32 Post contains images Klaus : Rubbish. They weren't up to the fierce competition in a tough market and got a bloody nose for their arrogant approach. I've always avoided WalMart l
33 Oldeuropean : They have scanners for years and you also can pay with a card. Once, they haven`t had scanners, the cashiers were famous for knowing the price of eve
34 Post contains images Solnabo : Germany must be infested with LIDL, so they don´t need more übercheap supermarkets on german soil..... Micke/SWE
35 Post contains images LTU932 : Loved and hated, much like Walmart, only more popular and by far more successful. But then again, Walmart has a different business model than Aldi, s
36 Post contains images Klaus : Goes to show how long it's been since I've shopped there...
37 Halls120 : That is an extremely lame excuse. It was up to Walmart to become aware of the regulatory environment of Germany before they invested. Even if Germany
38 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : What? Intrusive? Care to explain that? More like hog wash like the rest of the anti-Wal Mart "they should be unionized" press and goons say. That's j
39 Post contains images Klaus : I hope your prejudices keep you warm at night... The section of their employee regulations which caused quite a stir in Germany was the snooping into
40 Halls120 : Well, if Wal Mart's business model has to be unchanged when it is exported, and they aren't going to take into account the fact that it might not wor
41 Post contains images Klaus : You got that impression, too...?
42 Halls120 : Sadly, I think that is exactly what he expected. Wal Mart is both a good and bad example of American business. Their supply chain model - which works
43 Klaus : Things like that happen over here, too (although maybe not as frequently). Not every chain turns out to be successful, but most of them at least try t
44 ClipperHawaii : The thing about Wal Mart's business model is that it CAN'T change. The model itself works extremely well. Unless you enter into a market that the mar
45 Klaus : If... ...then... ...is simply not the case! A good business case means it's either adaptable to targeted markets or it entails staying the hell out of
46 Andreas : Funny how (not only on this Forum) a discussion about a ...well non-issue, let's face it, can turn into an ungly EU vs. US warfare simply by totally l
47 Post contains images Halls120 : It does, as long as you are willing to put up with the ugly stores and the landscape being littered with empty former Walmart locations they've decid
48 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : Wal Mart's July sales at stores open at least one year (same-store sales) increased 2.4 percent. A lot of people are pleased with what Wal Mart brings
49 Racko : What do we lose without Walmart? They were not cheaper, they didn't offer anything the others didn't and the markets will be transformed into Real sto
50 DrDeke : Umm, for having "lost," I don't see (m)any German consumers in this thread being particularly upset... I'm told there was a time when such practices
51 NoUFO : ... in other words: "the actions and the dislikes" of the market itself ... Good for them. But where I live there are six supermarkets including two
52 Post contains links and images Aloges : Hmmm... German consumer optimism surges I lost something..? Well, I'd like to know what. Well, if you knew a thing or two about what you're talking a
53 Post contains images Sabena332 : Not in Germany. Patrick
54 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : That indeed would be correct! The market dictates. Always. Right or wrong. You should not have to drive that far. It's always "Location, Location, lo
55 Post contains images DrDeke : Soooooo, how is the IT job market over there in Germany? It seems like there's an abundance of common sense and respect there; perhaps I should start
56 Post contains images NoUFO : It's gradually recovering, although I would not speak of an abundance of common sense.
57 Post contains images Aloges : Ever heard of SAP?
58 Post contains images Andreas : I'm still not sure if I do understand what you're talking about at all. Sounds to me as if you are trying to tell me that us Germans are a bunch of t
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