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User currently offlineUTA_flyinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1191 times:

From the CNN story on sport cheats :

Sammy Sosa, once the cherubic Hercules of the Chicago Cubs, shattered that image when his bat shattered against the Devil Rays in 2003. The bat broke apart, and the cork hidden inside his bat peppered the infield grass. Sosa stated that he had mistakenly taken his BP/exhibition bat to the plate, but he earned a seven-game suspension.
What is a corked bat ?

As a knuckleballer, Joe Niekro was known for his ability to heave pitch after pitch. The most famous thing he threw, however, wasn't a baseball. When an umpire asked Niekro to empty his pockets on the mound, an emery board floated to the ground. He instantly earned himself the label of cheater
How the emery board of help to him ?

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User currently offlineBoeinglover24 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 305 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
How the emery board of help to him ?

he scuff the ball using it to get more grip to produce more movement on his knucklers

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
What is a corked bat ?

A corked bat has some kind of a hole inside it filled with saw dust or whatever thereby making it lighter=faster bat swing=more homers.....



Uhhh What?
User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1162 times:

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Reply 1):
Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
How the emery board of help to him ?

he scuff the ball using it to get more grip to produce more movement on his knucklers

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
What is a corked bat ?

A corked bat has some kind of a hole inside it filled with saw dust or whatever thereby making it lighter=faster bat swing=more homers.....

Well, close on the bat, but not so close on the emery...

The emery board does not improve grip. It is used to scuff one side of the ball to produce an uneven surface on the ball which induces uneven airflow around the ball as it is pitched. For a knuckleballer, who is already throwing a pitch that dances like Charles Manson on crack, it can, in theory, really make that ball move strangely.

As for the bats, they are actually filled with cork, although I suppose you could use sawdust...


User currently offlineGarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5404 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 2):
As for the bats, they are actually filled with cork,

Or Superballs in the case of Nettles and Sabo



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 2):
dances like Charles Manson on crack

Ha! I thought that was Cynthia McKinney and Cindy Sheehan on the night of the Georgia Primaries before they realized McKinney was in a runoff. Oh, wrong thread.

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Reply 1):
A corked bat has some kind of a hole inside it filled with saw dust or whatever thereby making it lighter=faster bat swing=more homers

There was a whole study done by ESPN or someone at the time of Sosa's issue that corking the bat had little to no effect.

UTA, I read the same article on CNNSI this morning about sports scandels. They also point out that one thing lots of folks forget was that Sosa went on to hit 40+ homers that year as probably the second most scrutinized hitter after His Royal 'Roid highness Barry Bonds.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 2):
The emery board does not improve grip. It is used to scuff one side of the ball to produce an uneven surface on the ball which induces uneven airflow around the ball as it is pitched.

Also witnessed by Phil Niekro's use of Vaseline to get movement on the ball. Anything that affects the airflow over the ball will do it whether you scrape away with a emery board or sandpaper or add to with Vaseline, spit, etc.

I can't remember the exact incident but IIRC there was a pitcher in the AA Southern League who had a tack or pushpin sticking through his glove to scratch the ball.



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Also witnessed by Phil Niekro's use of Vaseline to get movement on the ball

Not to mention Gaylord Perry's use of the spitball... spit 

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 5):
Not to mention Gaylord Perry's use of the spitball...

I think he and his brother Jim used to "trade spit" for this purpose.  Wink


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26599 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1107 times:

Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Thread starter):
How the emery board of help to him ?

While everyone here has said why it could have helped him, there is another side to the story. Most nuckleballers use emery boards to file down their nails in order to gain a better grip on the ball. The reason for this is that a nuckleball is actually thrown from the fingertips, not the nuckles. Niekro swears to that to this day.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
There was a whole study done by ESPN or someone at the time of Sosa's issue that corking the bat had little to no effect.

Yep. In fact, Garrett Anderson's power numbers went up when he started swinging a heavier bat.



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1097 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
The reason for this is that a nuckleball is actually thrown from the fingertips, not the nuckles

Can I call you a Knucklehead?  Wink


User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1067 times:

Quoting Boeinglover24 (Reply 1):
A corked bat has some kind of a hole inside it filled with saw dust or whatever thereby making it lighter=faster bat swing=more homers.....

Not quite correct. A corked bat allows the batter to swing the bat faster, as it weighs less than it should. Thus, swing timing is improved, with little to no gain in distance. In simple terms, it helps the batter make contact with the ball more often, as he can judge the pitches for a longer period of time.

Back when I played, my friends and I tried corked vs. uncorked bats to see what would happen, and I would say that while I didn't gain any power, I was able to make contact 20-25% more often than before. For someone hitting .280, all of a sudden you're hitting .340 with no actual improvement in the player himself.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26599 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1063 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 8):
Can I call you a Knucklehead?

Sure, why not?  Silly



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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 3):
Or Superballs...

 spit 


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

[quote=IAH777,reply=11]Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 3):
Or Superballs...

It's true, mate. Google told me so.

Actually, it's very fitting that a flippin' Yankee was guilty of this. Greg, Graig, Craig or whatever-the-fuck-Yankee third baseman, who should have been belted in the face by Bill Lee, and should fellate Mickey Rivers for time immemorial. Lest we forget the mid-70's beginnings of the Sox-Yanks rivalry.

I long for those days, when Carlton Fisk punched Lou Piniella (sic) in the fucking head after that collision at home plate. That's baseball, in my mind. Throw at a batter's head. Too much of a pussy to deal? Go sell used cars.


User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 4):
Also witnessed by Phil Niekro's use of Vaseline to get movement on the ball. Anything that affects the airflow over the ball will do it whether you scrape away with a emery board or sandpaper or add to with Vaseline, spit, etc.

Who's that pitcher in that famous scene who used sand paper and threw it right of his pocket right next to the umps? I'm trying to think who it was, but coming up blank.

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User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Speaking of pain and baseball, anyone remember Dickie Thon taking a fastball to the eye socket? That was some scary shit.

User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1053 times:

Quoting Yanksn4 (Reply 13):
Who's that pitcher in that famous scene who used sand paper and threw it right of his pocket right next to the umps? I'm trying to think who it was, but coming up blank

Gee, I guess he wasn't a Yankee, so you have no idea.


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1041 times:

Dickie Thon was on the Astros when he got drilled by Mike Torres, who, I believe, was on the Mets at the time...

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1039 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 6):
Gaylord Perry's use of the spitball...

I think he and his brother Jim used to "trade spit"

Is that why they called him "gay" Lord?



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User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1011 times:

Corked bats really don't help you all that much. Yes, they make the bat lighter, and easier to swing. They are filled with cork, bits of socks....etc. Corked bats aren't all that helpful.

Gaylord Perry was famous for "doctoring" balls. If you ever see tape of him on the mound, it's almost ridiculous what he did. He was busted many times for adding vasaline, etc to balls, and ejected rightfully so for doing it.

Many pitchers over the history of baseball have been caught with nail files in their belts, sand paper somewhere on their body, or other cutting objects to add seams, or scuff the ball. These pitchers deserve to be given the label of cheaters, because that is what they are doing.


User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1002 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 18):
Corked bats really don't help you all that much. Yes, they make the bat lighter, and easier to swing. They are filled with cork, bits of socks....etc. Corked bats aren't all that helpful

Funny Sosa'a response was to hit more homers in BP for the crowds?

Also cork bats tend to split more as they are hollow to some point and filled with cork or whatever. The bat is lighter sure, but by adding something to it your adding mass and thus a harder swing.


User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 12):
I long for those days, when Carlton Fisk punched Lou Piniella (sic) in the fucking head after that collision at home plate

I don't remember that one LOL, but man I would love to see it.

We could add to the Zimmer charging Pedro one   or George Bell charging the mound to see Speedster Mo make a NFL type tackle  Smile

[Edited 2006-07-30 04:12:08]

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