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Letter To CNN....re: Middle East Conflict  
User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

I have been following your coverage of the Israeli attack on Lebanon through your site, and I am appalled to see the lack of information provided to your audience on the ACTUAL escalation of events that has truly led to this inconceivably unjust and criminal military onslaught onto Lebanon and its citizens by the terrorist government of Israel.

Lebanon and the Lebanese population will suffer for months, if not years, to recover from this heinous offensive on their territory and their sovereignty, all in the name of Israel's self-defense. Without justifying the kidnappings themselves, it must be pointed out that Israel's existence and well being have not come under any real threat as a result of the kidnappings, or as a result of any other event in recent history for that
matter. How much self-defending does Israel really need to do with the superpower of the day standing so closely behind, disbursing billions, deploying masses of weapons, invading countries opposed to Israel's existence and biting ferociously at any reproachful finger that may be pointed in Israel's direction?

The majority of articles published on your site instigate that the Israeli hostilities against Lebanon are retaliation to Hezbollah kidnapping two Israeli soldiers, echoing President Bush's sentiment that the kidnappings give Israel the 'right to defend itself'. Has not one author in your team, nor any of your editors, nor yourself, thought it relevant to
mention the months and years of Israeli kidnappings of Palestinian and Lebanese
civilians, officials and public figures that have gone without retribution? What about the hundreds, nay thousands of Lebanese, Palestinians and Syrians rotting away in Israeli prisons without charge or trial for years on end?

And what of the tens of Palestinians assassinated daily in the Palestinian territories for 'alleged' crimes against Israel, which only Israel has made claim to but has never substantiated in front of an international court?

What of the Palestinian's rights to self defend or retaliate when their homes, schools, hospitals and livelihoods are destroyed, and their fathers, sons, brothers, mothers and sisters are murdered?

What has happened to the rule of law? Or has Bush also relieved Israel of adhering to international laws on occupation, war and human rights? Once in violation of these laws, and Israel IS without a doubt in violation, does that not constitute it a criminal and terrorist state? Do international laws apply to all the other governments except that of Israel? Do the US and Israel alone decide which governments are terrorist and which aren't?

You have conveniently chosen not to pose such questions nor seek their answers, though their relevance to the coverage of the current crisis is imperative. Any good piece of reporting would present the reader with all the facts and allow them to reach their own conclusions. You have consciously and unforgivably colluded to misinform your readers as to the real causes behind the current (and continuing) Middle East crisis, and you have failed to depict Israel's contribution to the disastrous events happening in the region. Your news department has shown cowardice in its decision
to not criticize, let alone condemn, Israel's disproportionate and murderous military actions in Lebanon.

How can such a show of an unbalanced and exaggerated response of force to the kidnappings be deemed as self-defense?

How should Lebanon and the Palestinian Authority respond to hundreds already kidnapped by Israel? What would be in your opinion a proportional response to those crimes? By your apparent standards, the answer to such a question would certainly be terrifying.

You have proven to be a disappointment to your readers, both to those who are unaware of the history of this conflict, and as a result of your coverage, have been led to reach the wrong conclusions, and to those readers who are aware of the history of the conflict and have been let-down by the blatant bias in your reporting and the un-explicable misinformation you have provided in favor of the Israeli government.

I will spare no effort on my part to ensure that this opinion of your news agency is circulated to friends, associates and contacts all over the globe, and to local newspapers worldwide, so that as many people as possible may be propelled to question your credibility as a news agency, and so that as many people as possible may be compelled to look elsewhere for their source of international news.

M. Ibrahim
Montreal, Canada
July 19th, 2006.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
Do the US and Israel alone



Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
echoing President Bush's sentiment



Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
Or has Bush also relieved Israel

Yup it's all Bush's fault, it's all America's fault. . .  sarcastic 


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3288 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

In other words, it's the Al-Jazeera of the west.


"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Yes, it's all Israels fault. The peaceful Palestinians and Arab nations that surround Israel have done nothing since 1949 but praise and support the the tiny sliver of land that is called Israel.

Yes it is all Israels fault for allowing their planes to be Hijacked, their citizens held hostage in Entebbe, Munich, murders at Rome and Lod.

Yes, it is all Israels fault for allowing civilians to blow themselves up in Israeli buses, Market places, restaurants, and malls.

Yes, it is all Israels fault for the virulent anti-semetic press of the Arab world (no it's not anti-zionist, but anti-semetic).

Yes, it's all Israels fault for the militant groups who fire Iranian missiles inside its boarders.


How is that for fair and balanced.

[Edited 2006-07-28 15:10:18]

User currently offlineScamp From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Touche


If it pisses off the right, I'm all for it.
User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 3):
Yes, it's all Israels fault. The peaceful Palestinians and Arab nations that surround Israel have done nothing since 1949 but praise and support the the tiny sliver of land that is called Israel.

Yes it is all Israels fault for allowing their planes to be Hijacked, their citizens held hostage in Entebbe, Munich, murders at Rome and Lod.

Yes, it is all Israels fault for allowing civilians to blow themselves up in Israeli buses, Market places, restaurants, and malls.

Yes, it is all Israels fault for the virulent anti-semetic press of the Arab world (no it's not anti-zionist, but anti-semetic).

Yes, it's all Israels fault for the militant groups who fire Iranian missiles inside its boarders.

Yes well instead of this hysteria you might as well contact CNN and ask them for more BALANCED and realistic news reporting, rather than the usual unconditional support for the Terrorist "State" of Israel.



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
You have proven to be a disappointment to your readers

Readers? How do you read CNN? They will be laughing at you in the mailroom over that one because your letter will never reach anyone that matters.

Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
I will spare no effort on my part to ensure that this opinion of your news agency is circulated to friends, associates and contacts all over the globe, and to local newspapers worldwide, so that as many people as possible may be propelled to question your credibility as a news agency, and so that as many people as possible may be compelled to look elsewhere for their source of international news.

Boo hoo hoo...I'm taking my ball and going home. With this little gem your letter just got sent to the circular file.

Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
Palestinian's rights to self defend

Stick to one topic. You start with Lebanese and then pull Palestinians out of nowhere.

Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
Palestinians assassinated

First off...proof? source? Again, stick to one topic with your letter.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 5):
Yes well instead of this hysteria

Since when are facts "hysteria"?

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 5):
usual unconditional support for the Terrorist "State" of Israel.

Israel is not a terrorist state. It does not support terrorism, but rather defends itself against such.

Get your facts straight!


User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
You have proven to be a disappointment to your readers

Readers? How do you read CNN? They will be laughing at you in the mailroom over that one because your letter will never reach anyone that matters.



Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
I have been following your coverage of the Israeli attack on Lebanon through your site

Neat what happens when you actually read the post, huh?



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User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 7):
Israel is not a terrorist state. It does not support terrorism, but rather defends itself against such.

The deliberate targeting of UN staff, Lebanese children, ambulance convoys, demonstrate the opposite.

Israel: Fine State Terrorism



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 9):
The deliberate targeting of UN staff,

Please give us some source for this as "deliberate"?

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 9):
Lebanese children, ambulance convoys

Oh, and the missles fired at Haifa and other cities since 1949 were all military targets!


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 9):
The deliberate targeting of UN staff, Lebanese children, ambulance convoys, demonstrate the opposite.

How do you, Mr. Hussam A. Ali, know that it is deliberate? Did the Arab press tell you that?


User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
How do you, Mr. Hussam A. Ali, know that it is deliberate? Did the Arab press tell you that?

It wasn't only the Arab press, but also the UN Secretary General himself!
I happen to believe Kofi Anan is an honest man with no hidden agenda.

Targeting UN agents after those agents called the IDF 10 times asking them to stop bombing their immediate vicinity was clearly a deliberate attack designed to terrorize the UN staff, local civilians, and the Lebanese government.

Gosh I wish the Israelis would wake up one day from this mess and realize they have failed, and miserably to accomplish their so-called objectives in Lebanon.
The root of the problem is the occupation and humiliation of Palestinians on their own land, an ideal incubator for desperate acts.

[Edited 2006-07-28 15:46:35]


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User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 251 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2093 times:
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Quoting EurostarVA (Thread starter):
that Israel's existence and well being have not come under any real threat as a result of the kidnappings, or as a result of any other event in recent history for that

So does that mean you approve of the kidnappings?

Ok, a terrorist group digs a tunnel into my country under the border, attacks a military patrol inside my border, kidnapps two soldiers and sends 5 rockets inside my border.

And this has been going on for what? God knows how many years (at least the rockets) & the kamikaze in the towns.

Seriously, I am not approving the way they handle the situation right now, but I would been also freaking fed up of enduring these guys in the place of the Israelis.



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 12):
The root of the problem is the occupation and humiliation of Arab on their own lands,

Oh, man I would love to see the complete text were you lifted this quote!


User currently offlineJJJ From Spain, joined May 2006, 1721 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 12):
Targeting UN agents after those agents called the IDF 10 times asking them to stop bombing their immediate vicinity was clearly a deliberate attack designed to terrorize the UN staff, local civilians, and the Lebanese government.

I don't think it was deliberate, however, it would be nice that the Israeli government/military not only seriously apologises, but also conducts an investigation and severely punishes whoever fucked it up.


User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2074 times:

Quoting JJJ (Reply 15):
I don't think it was deliberate, however, it would be nice that the Israeli government/military not only seriously apologises, but also conducts an investigation and severely punishes whoever fucked it up.

Just one question: Do you think that "nice people" are in charge at the ITF?
Believe me, they do not set a limit to "collateral" dammage since even their leaders happen to believe in a "victory at any cost".

Funny enough their occupation forces are being pushed out by the Lebanese fighters as we type...



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 16):
forces are being pushed out by the Lebanese fighters as we type...

Source please...that's news to us!

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 16):
Do you think that "nice people" are in charge at the ITF

A hell of a lot nicer then those incharge of Hezbohamasiran!


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Dear Hezbollah,
1. Returned the Kidnapped Soldiers
2. Apologize for the murderous incursion into Israel.
3. Apologize to Lebanon for putting it in harms way
4. Stop firing missles into Israel.
5. Disarm and live in peace.


Hezbollah started this fiasco, and I don't care what you think about collateral damage, they are the only ones that can stop it.

Israel has every right to eliminate the threat to their peace and soveriegnty.
More so since the people of Lebanon have allowed Hezbollah to grow and spark terrorist incidents.

If the people of Lebanon are pissed at Israel for this war, they should be twice as pissed at Hezbollah for sparking it.
Failure to show this kind of anger at Hezbollah seems to incur an underlying terrorist state in Lebanon.



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User currently offlineDamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 714 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2044 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
How do you, Mr. Hussam A. Ali, know that it is deliberate? Did the Arab press tell you that?

How do you, Reese D., know that what Israeli and US media outlets are feeding you is the truth?

Click here for a different perspective (but hey, I know you won't).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696

D.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting Damirc (Reply 19):
How do you, Reese D., know that what Israeli and US media outlets are feeding you is the truth?

It's not a matter of what the media "feeds" us. It's a matter of simple logic. There is absolutely no evidence that Israel intentionally targeted UN facilities. Just because the Arab media says so does not make it so. I'd like to see it proven before anyone claims it.


User currently offlineDamirc From Slovenia, joined Feb 2004, 714 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 20):
It's not a matter of what the media "feeds" us. It's a matter of simple logic. There is absolutely no evidence that Israel intentionally targeted UN facilities. Just because the Arab media says so does not make it so. I'd like to see it proven before anyone claims it

Watch the video. Will show you how things work.

D.


User currently offlineDirkou From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 571 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Why doesn't the 4 million israelis move to Nebraska, Wyoming or any of those US States full of space and create a new country there? After all before 1949 Israel was arab land and the holocaust is not a reason to create a country - or it could be...in the middle of nowehere in the US.

And why is the US permanently backing up the country that violates more UN resolutions? Freedom? Talk me about $$$ instead...which community controls the finance world of the US? I would like to know the US attitude if Iran started to play on this war...


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 7):
Israel is not a terrorist state. It does not support terrorism, but rather defends itself against such.

No, it just operates hit squads in foreign jurisdictions. And they don't even always attack the intended victim. And no I won't quote sources, they are so well known and this point has been argued before.


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4158 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Quoting Dirkou (Reply 22):
After all before 1949 Israel was arab land and the holocaust is not a reason to create a country - or it could be...in the middle of nowehere in the US.

Go read a history book.... come back tommorrow.



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25 Baroque : This argument about deliberate is totally bizarre. The post was receiving fire for some hours and its complaints were relayed to the IDF who appear t
26 EurostarVA : An unequivocal proof would require the full cooperation of Israel and those people who ordered the specific attack, as well as their agents in the sk
27 Post contains links Baroque : I am not sure I should confess, but I don't get CNN here. Last week I did comment that the Lehrer Newshour seemed much better than other US sources bu
28 MD11Engineer : 1) Both Hezbollah and Hamas are organisations which follow a fascistoid ideology, just not based on race as the European fascists of the 20th century,
29 JJJ : 'This kind of anger' meant 15 years of (mostly religious) civil war (1975-1990), and then 15 years of Israeli and Syrian occupation. You can't ask a
30 EurostarVA : I respect your opinion mate, but please rest assured HAMAS does not use the limited money it gets from Syria to sustain its popularity through propag
31 CasInterest : Sure I can, if it is the only way to keep his pitbull from attacking my family.
32 JJJ : Israel occupied south Lebanon for many years and was totally unable to disarm Hezbollah, what makes you think the puny Lebanese military would fare b
33 DeltaGator : Touche but he is also all over the map. He mentions the site but then says nothing about reading until much later. He fusses about Lebanon and then p
34 Post contains links EurostarVA : The answer is yes, because Palestinians are determined to get back their land which was taken by force. Today 500,000 Lebanese were displaced by forc
35 CasInterest : Im'm not sure they would, but it would be proof Lebanon was truly a terrorist state like syria and Iran
36 MD11Engineer : And what about the money given to them by rich religious @rseholes from saudi Arabia who want to buy their way into heaven by giving big donatios? AF
37 Post contains links JJJ : You are clearly quite misinformed about what's been going on in Lebanon in the last 50 years. The following information is quite brief and way far fr
38 CasInterest : You can read about civil war, but in the end... Hezbollah is ruling the day and syria seems to be in charge...... If the Lebanese can't keep their ho
39 Post contains links Baroque : Islamofascist is an easy term to use, but a bit more difficult to justify. Hamas, just in case you have forgotten, was not established so much by tho
40 EurostarVA : Thanks for making that point.
41 Post contains links Rolfen : I am tempted to say so after seing this movie/documentary: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
42 MD11Engineer : Well, I think many Muslims I know would find it more insulting to be thrown into the same class as Hamas and Hezbollah. These groups are using Islam f
43 Baroque : It is not particularly useful and can be positively obfuscating to confuse Islamic extremism with Fascism. It is indeed the case that the extremist mo
44 ANCFlyer : Which begs the question Jan . . . why do the Muslims put up with or tolerate the extremists? Why aren't more of these Extremist Factions dealt with b
45 ZOTAN : " target=_blank>http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...20696 Well that video ranks right up there with Loose Change. I watched 5 minutes of it and tur
46 MD11Engineer : Maybe the same reason why back in the 1940s the mainstream Israelis were not able to control their own extremists (the Irgun and the Stern Gang), out
47 Damirc : You see - that is exactly why you will never understand why terrorist attacks happen, why they bomb you. But it only would take an hour to watch. I g
48 Baroque : Which contrary would that be? AFI can see, you more or less repeated what I said. I still have a contrary in that calling the Islamic extremists fasc
49 TWA902fly : you know you're not going to achieve anything by believing any of this. First off - calling CNN a jewish-controlled media outlet is pretty stupid. I
50 Post contains links VirginFlyer : In order to prevent a lot of duplication, and in order to prevent the arguments spiralling out of control, we have decided to create four official thr
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