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Lebanese Opinion On Hezbollah  
User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1816 times:
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Hi one and all,

there's one point in that whole middle east conflict I didn't quite get:
What is the lebanese average people oppinion on the Hezbollah? Do they support them? Do most of the lebanese civilans hate them ... what's the overall situation?
For example, if you would be aware that there's are Hezbollah fighters living next door in your appartment block, or you have knowledge of weapon arsenals lying in a shelter just down the road, what's the average Lebanes person gonna do? Are they proud they have these freedom fighters as neighbours or would they tell them to f*** off?

I just want to get this position clear in my head before making any judgements and finding my own verdict.

I hope some lebanese in here can give their opinion on this.

Mario
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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1804 times:

Hezbollah represents about 30% of the Lebanese population e.a. the Shi'ia Muslims.
While many Christian and Druse Lebanese don't agree with Hezbollah's role in starting the war,the overwhelming majority of Lebanese have a strong feeling of national pride and national identity.They feel while Shi'ia Muslims might be the trigger,the main responsibility lies with Israel in systematically destroying the Country.
Even Walid Jumblat,a strong opponent of Hezbollah,says the main issue now is to keep national consensus and identity-the discussions with Hezbollah should be held once the aggression is over-not now !
Most Lebanese have inevitably friends among different religious groups-but usually-specifically after the last war- the national unity has been re-inforced.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
While many Christian and Druse Lebanese don't agree with Hezbollah's role in starting the war,the overwhelming majority of Lebanese have a strong feeling of national pride and national identity.They feel while Shi'ia Muslims might be the trigger,the main responsibility lies with Israel in systematically destroying the Country

Ans this is why the lebanese are now in a State of war. they are so blinded by intolerance and hatred towards Israel, that they won't blame the rabid dog in their own house.



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1779 times:
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Quoting CasInterest (Reply 2):

Ans this is why the lebanese are now in a State of war. they are so blinded by intolerance and hatred towards Israel, that they won't blame the rabid dog in their own house.

It was not my intention to see this thread turned into yet another "you're the bad people" sort of flamewar, but I must admit that from that point it's very odd that some lebanese rather like to fight Israel and hate them for bombing their cities instead of "cleaning out" Hezbollah on their own, than they wouldn't be in the state they are in now ... on the other hand you can admit that Israel overreacted .... I'm fully pro Israel on that whole Issue but I also try to understand the other side before simply flaming them.
hezbollah might be a big national symbol of Lebanon ... but does that make them untouchable??

Mario
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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 2):
Ans this is why the lebanese are now in a State of war. they are so blinded by intolerance and hatred towards Israel, that they won't blame the rabid dog in their own house.

He asked Lebanese opinion. And who do you exactly represent?

The majority in Lebanon has called for the disarmament of Hezbollah since January 2006. This has been the main subject of the National Diologue on the future of Lebanon.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting OD720 (Reply 4):
Quoting CasInterest (Reply 2):
Ans this is why the lebanese are now in a State of war. they are so blinded by intolerance and hatred towards Israel, that they won't blame the rabid dog in their own house.

He asked Lebanese opinion. And who do you exactly represent?

The majority in Lebanon has called for the disarmament of Hezbollah since January 2006. This has been the main subject of the National Diologue on the future of Lebanon.

So to evade disarmament and eventual disposal on the trash heap of history Hezbollah provoked a war and most Lebanese stand now closed together behind them? Nobody is asking to have them disarmed, because now they are the great "heros", who took on Israel, knowing very well that israel will hit back with everything they own?

Sounds like my grandfather, who condemned the officers, who tried to kill Hitler in 1944 as traitors. For him, during a war you'll have to stand behind the leader, no matter if he was the one who got you into the shit. Internal arguments for him had to wait until the war was over. Great, just have the war continue forever, so that the leader will never be accountable.

Jan


User currently offlineEDKA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

[quote=OD720,reply=4]The majority in Lebanon has called for the disarmament of Hezbollah since January 2006. [quote]


OD720 - can you please answer whether you really believe that you as a country can dissarm Hezbollah?

Would i be correct in assuming that you are of Armenian descent and therefore not a Hezbollah supporter?


User currently offlineAdvancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1748 times:

From my understanding and one can easily research this.
Hezbollah captured the IDF soldiers on Lebanese side of the border.
The main aim is to use them as bargaining chips to release
several tens or hundreds of Lebanese and also Palestinans
in Israeli jails many of which I nelieve are also women and children, and are considered by the Israeli government jailed for adminstrative reasons, whatever this means.
In the past hezbollah and israel have traded prisoners this way. Maybe I am siding more towrds the Lebanese side
but from what I see, the Israelis are punishing Lebanon as a whole nd the entire civilian population for indirectly
and directly assisting hezbollah and would like to see UN resolution whatever 1559 (not sure of the number) to disarm hezbollah implemented. israel is pushing for it through this current conflict. First achievement was getting rid of Syrian troups, last year after PM Hariri's assasination (wich is widely believed to be a Mossad operation).

Back to the lebanese people why they don't really implement or support dissarming of hezbollah, it's because the national Lebanese army is weak and doesn't have enough resources comparing to hezbollah. However lebanon
i believe was / is on track to merge hezbollah and the national army. Afterall hezbollah are part of the lebanese people and not a bunch of outsiders, they share the same
lebanese heritage and pride with the rest of the lebanese people who only differ in religious backgrounds or political views. This conflict has proven that lebanon isn't as divided
as say Israel would have counted on. As a matter of fact, the Lebanese people now feel more in the same boat than ever before.
I would like to hear lebanese members comments on my view and correct me if I am wrong. Thanks.

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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Quoting Advancedkid (Reply 7):
From my understanding and one can easily research this.
Hezbollah captured the IDF soldiers on Lebanese side of the border.

Wrong understanding.
Hezbollah launched an incursion into Israeli territory, killed 8 soldiers and captured two prior to returning to their side of the border.

Also during this time rockets were launched from Hezbollah positions into Northern Israel.

That is an act of war, and that is why what is currently occurring is going on.

The state of prisoners prior to this action is mute.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 63
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1729 times:

Quoting Advancedkid (Reply 7):
Hezbollah captured the IDF soldiers on Lebanese side of the border.

The Israeli soldiers were captured in a long prepared raid (Nasrallah admitted this himself) INTO Israeli territory. Eight soldiers, who were pursuing the kidnappers to liberate their comrades were led into an ambush and killed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5180202.stm

A similar thing happened in the Gaza strip. There a several hundred meters long tunnel was dug under the border to attack an IDF post INSIDE Israel.

Jan


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1724 times:

Quoting EDKA (Reply 6):
Would i be correct in assuming that you are of Armenian descent and therefore not a Hezbollah supporter?

It seems that most people, at least here on A.net, think that the Lebanese support Hezbollah. Having strong resentment towards the Israeli actions in Lebanon does not mean support for Hezbollah!

If someone can go back a few years to my posts here, they've always been:Syrians out and Hezbollah active only in domestic politics, since they are Lebanese and represent part of the Shiias here.

You are right that I'm of Armenian descent. 100% proud Lebanese!


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4792 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

Quoting OD720 (Reply 10):
It seems that most people, at least here on A.net, think that the Lebanese support Hezbollah. Having strong resentment towards the Israeli actions in Lebanon does not mean support for Hezbollah!

The people as a WHOLE in lebanon did not do enought to stop Hezbollah from starting this . They as a WHOLE share the blame.

The individual stories of children, families and innocents dying, is tragic and cause for much anger and hurt.

However as a WHOLE lebanon is not capable of stopping Hezbollah, so their support is a silent but deadly one.



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

This is a question that the hezbollah and co would like to blur... they dont want to hear the a answer about this one.
I have heard about a poll reporting that 90% of the lebanese support hezbollah (and it was even reported on CNN - here's for reliable reporting  no  ) , yet I still fail to find a reliable source.

Everyone seems to copy/paste that data that seems to have spawned out of nowhere.



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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 11):
The people as a WHOLE in lebanon did not do enought to stop Hezbollah from starting this . They as a WHOLE share the blame.

Well my friend, no other nation in this region has faught this war and paid the price of it more than the Lebanese.

Who do you think was fighting a war against the PLO between 1975-1982?
Who was fighting a war against the Syrians between 1983-1990?
Who was struggling to get back their freedom from 1990 to 2005?

After all these, you STILL blame us? Shame on you!


User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

Quoting Advancedkid (Reply 7):
Hezbollah captured the IDF soldiers on Lebanese side of the border.

No. See Eurostar's locked thread. Where do you people get that impression from?! Even the Hezbollah itself wouldn't claim that to a western audience.


Quoting Advancedkid (Reply 7):
several tens or hundreds of Lebanese and also Palestinans

According to that other thread there are THREE Lebanese prisoners in Israel. There were dozens more, but they were released in exchange for 3 IDF soldiers' bodies a couple years ago.  Yeah sure


LY744.



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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

So let me just clarify the logic of those that support Israel. We in the UK will be fully justified to flatten Dublin, Galway and Cork if the IRA attack us again?

It's shame the US didn't take such a strong stance against terrorism when some of their countrymen were giving money to the IRA. But at least we know that we would also be well within in our rights of self defense and bomb Boston and Chicago or anywhere else where people claim they are Irish American.



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User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2334 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
So to evade disarmament and eventual disposal on the trash heap of history Hezbollah provoked a war and most Lebanese stand now closed together behind them? Nobody is asking to have them disarmed, because now they are the great "heros", who took on Israel, knowing very well that israel will hit back with everything they own?

The painful and awful truth...  Sad

Boaz.



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User currently offlineAdvancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

Quoting LY744 (Reply 14):
No. See Eurostar's locked thread. Where do you people get that impression from?! Even the Hezbollah itself wouldn't claim that to a western audience

No, when the war started I sited several news agencies reporting what you say is my impression.
I found one here http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2006/07/12/ap2873051.html
I was looking up other pages I rememberd on top of my head but the pages unfortunatly removed.
This one is in french http://fr.news.yahoo.com/12072006/20...s-israeliens-sept-autres-tues.html

Latest news is the UN posts being bombed by Israel, actually they tried sticking it to hezobllah too!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/07/21/AR2006072100157.html


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User currently offlineEDKA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting OD720 (Reply 13):
After all these, you STILL blame us?

i think most people blame Hezbollah, but here is the answer below

Quoting OD720 (Reply 10):
since they are Lebanese and represent part of the Shiias here.

OD720 - if 30% percent of population (correct me if i'm wrong with numbers) of your country support this terrorist organisation and what their policies are, then you have a problem, and its up to you to deal with it. I simply do not follow the logic when people say, "yes they are a part of our country" but when they commit an act of war against other country, simply brush it as "well they did it, and 70% of my country are against them". They are either part of your country or they are not.

Put it this way: if lets say Morocan Jews or Russian Jews set up their own militia in Israel, go and kidnap 2 soldiers from Egypt and then kill another 8 and Egypt will attack Israel in retaliation to that? Do you think the rest of Israelis will say - hold on, but i do not support what they were doing? and it would be OK?


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting Windshear (Reply 16):
The painful and awful truth...

So you chose to ignore the opinions of the Lebanese and took someone's own who's sitting at least a few thousand miles away from the conflict.

That's what I really call painful and awful.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 15):
But at least we know that we would also be well within in our rights of self defense and bomb Boston and Chicago or anywhere else where people claim they are Irish American.

If the IRA starts launching missiles and rockets at targets in the UK from sites in Boston and Chicago, and the US either cannot, or will not, do anything to prevent it, then yes, the UK would have every right, indeed an obligation, to take whatever action required to stop the attacks on its citizens.

Of course that's an absurd proposition because, outside the Middle East, no self-respecting country in the world would allow such a thing to happen in the first place.

Comparisons between the conflict in Northern Ireland and the current situation in Lebanon are useless and irrelevant. The two situations are profoundly different in almost every aspect. Drawing conclusions about one from an examination of the other is utterly meaningless and worthless.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting Advancedkid (Reply 7):
last year after PM Hariri's assasination (wich is widely believed to be a Mossad operation)

Never heard of it - I have severe doubts that it's a "widely held" belief outside of those who'd love to blame Mossad for everything including 9-11.  crazy 

Smells like bullshit to me.

Israel could have no conceivable interest in deposing an explicitly Syria-critical lebanese PM, even as screwed-up as israeli strategies often are.

Quoting Advancedkid (Reply 7):
However lebanon i believe was / is on track to merge hezbollah and the national army.

Exactly the opposite, in fact. The lebanese army has been infiltrated with many hezbollah supporters, but the latest attempts to disarm Hezbollah clearly point into the exact opposite direction.

Sure, Hezbollah will gain in strength as a consequence of the current war, as they've done after the last israeli incursion into Lebanon, but I don't see any plausible way for Hezbollah to take over Lebanon without the other forces violently opposing that (which would result in a new civil war).

Sorry, but your entire post is inconsistent with every kind of reason and with every bit of information available.


User currently offlineEDKA From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 21):
Smells like bullshit to me

No, i think they did it, and Assad must have paid for it...

these "widely believed" stories are just pathetic


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting LH526 (Thread starter):
I just want to get this position clear in my head before making any judgements and finding my own verdict.

I hope some lebanese in here can give their opinion on this.

Thank you for the comments from our Lebanese colleagues and those of a few of the outsiders. The other outsiders please try and stick to the thread and draw out information from those who understand Lebanon.

On that, a figure of 30% is given for Shia and that is then transferred (by some) to a box marked support Hez. My understanding is that many Shia do not support Hez but (especially after having the bejesus bombed out of them) a proportion of non-Shia do support Hez in at least some of its aims. Any more help there?


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
Sounds like my grandfather, who condemned the officers, who tried to kill Hitler in 1944 as traitors. For him, during a war you'll have to stand behind the leader, no matter if he was the one who got you into the shit. Internal arguments for him had to wait until the war was over. Great,

That is a fascinating remark. Of course we have similar (if less extreme) sentiments here - that to criticise Bush and his policies is to dishonor the soldiers. Nonsense of course, but on the other hand dissension among our citizens on this issue IS perceived as a weakness of national will by Islamic Jihadists.

One thing westerners need to keep in mind when contemplating the nature of mideast wars and feuds is that they are more like a domestic dispute (between husband and wife) than they are like western-style war or diplomacy. Anyone who will intervene in the middle east will find themselves the enemy of BOTH sides.

The present war between Israel and Lebanon can be seen as the absolute frontline in a larger war between fundamentalist Islam that truly wants the whole world to go back a thousand years, and the 'western' culture that wants to press-on regardless, and with no apparent religious guidance. With that in mind, anyone who regards Israel's response as being excessive (and it probably is from some points of view) let me just say: You haven't seen anything yet. Wait ten years. Fifty years!

Because to stop the conflict either:

The fundamentalist Muslims will have to concede that secular law is senior to the law of Allah

or

The western world will have to acknowledge Allah and submit to his will. (as told to us by the Imam.)

I don't see either of those things happening.



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25 OD720 : I emphasised on the point that they have the right to be part of the political system and not have any other activities which don't serve Lebanon's i
26 MD11Engineer : I think that Israel wasted a big chance during the last year. During the time of the anti-Syrian "revolution" in Lebanon, the Israeli government shoul
27 Post contains links Beaucaire : LH526- read this article-it gives a little idea on the complexities of Lebanese internal politics... The important thing to remember nevertheless,is t
28 MD11Engineer : No problem with POLITICAL parties of all factions in parliaments, let the extremists make fools out of themselves. But having PRIVATE ARMIES, which ar
29 Post contains links Beaucaire : The T'aif accords foresaw the dismantling of all private militia and put the responsibility for this undertaking in the hands of the Lebanese Army. Bu
30 MD11Engineer : Then latest after the Syrian withdrawal the Lebanese government had the duty to ask for international assistance to disarm Hezbollah. I imagine a sim
31 LY744 : " target=_blank>http://www.forbes.com/technology/fee....html That link does not support what you said, it's just very poorly worded. LY744.
32 11Bravo : Thanks for the links Beaucaire. I don't think anyone will argue that the Lebanese Army is currently capable of removing the para-military forces in s
33 AsstChiefMark : Sounds like Hezbollah is like a massive cancerous tumor within Lebanon. Lebanon is too weak to irradicate the cancer, so Israel is performing invasive
34 EurostarVA : According to the latest Dailystar poll, support during warfare for Hezbollah in Lebanon following Israel's offensive is as follows, among the sectaria
35 Semsem : Beaucaire no the Shias represent 40% of Lebanon; not 30%. Had Hezbollah's Charter not called for the "destruction of Israel", allied itself with Iran
36 Beaucaire : And where do you want to stop your surgery??? With 10,50 or 100 000 killed civilians ? Because there is only a negotiated solution to the problem of
37 AsstChiefMark : The Lebanese who want Hezbollah out need to get off their asses and do something about it. If my house is infested with termites, I'll try to extermi
38 Beaucaire : You are using the same rethoric as Himmler in 1935.....
39 Turbo7x7 : Beaucaire, you're not going to get any sympathy from the hard-right U.S. partisans that dominate this board. The Christian right and the "neocons" her
40 SlamClick : Your name-calling aside, I'm curious why you say that we have economic reasons for favoring Israel. I'm pretty sure the petroleum we buy from Muslim
41 Beaucaire : Thanks for your warning,Turbo 7X7, I am not really fishing for sympathies among them.... Forums are a pretty useless form of investing your time -I mu
42 Post contains images LY744 : I'm glad you find such gratification in the death and suffering of others. At least you're true to human nature. And BTW, the Israeli-Egyptian war of
43 AsstChiefMark : I didn't say anything about Lebanon's citizens. I implied that Hezbollah are the termites. If Hezbollah is so deeply ingrained in Lebanon that their
44 Beaucaire : The 30 % of Shi'ia Hezbollah and their families representing the larger part of the Shi'ia population in Lebanon are Lebanese Citizens.... So that me
45 EurostarVA : Actually Turbo7x7 is being objective and made an extremely on-spot analysis of what's going on here. The truth is, the Israelis forces have been defe
46 Post contains links LY744 : Civilians like this one? A Hezbollah Fighter's House (by LY744 Jul 29 2006 in Non Aviation) LY744.
47 AsstChiefMark : Is there no such thing as QUITTING Hezbollah? Is Hezbollah one of those organizations to can join, but can never leave? Mark
48 Rolfen : That's how I see it: Most of the shia support the hezbollah. A sizeable chunk of the christians are supporting hezbollah's actions now, that doesnt me
49 Aleksandar : Well, I'm not in that majority if one really exist here. Having similar experience with bombing, all I can say that one cannot get a clear picture ab
50 Rolfen : That's how I see it: Most of the shia support the hezbollah. A sizeable chunk of the christians are supporting hezbollah's actions now, that doesnt me
51 Aleksandar : Exactly as I thought. It is hard to believe that all those people from demonstrations are Hezbollah supporters, but it is more than obvious that they
52 Rolfen : That's how I see it: Most of the shia support the hezbollah. A sizeable chunk of the christians are supporting hezbollah's actions now, that doesnt me
53 Post contains images Turbo7x7 : LOL! That's a catastrophic misreading if I ever saw one. Trust me, I would be the LAST person on earth to find gratification in the death and sufferi
54 Falcon84 : Calling for and DOING something to disarm them are two different things. And look what it got you, for not acting decisively-a war. A war not necessa
55 Baroque : It is interesting that you are getting panned about the accuracy of the poll or its source. It could be total fiction, but it is similar to what a nu
56 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Great! Claim that you are winning while you are being bombed to shit! Sounds like Goebbels in 1945. Bis zum Endsieg! Jan
57 Baroque : Interesting proposition, you mean they need a professional consultation with the Pres of Syria. Hope he makes a suitable charge for his professional
58 Post contains links Beaucaire : The extermination of termites continues.... 35 -including 21 children-killed in Kana (Southern Lebanon..)this morning.. http://focus.msn.de/politik/na
59 USPIT10L : Actually, if there was a national emergency like that, the German constitution states the Allied powers, USA, France, UK, and Russia, have the right,
60 Post contains images Beaucaire : Today the opinon of the united Lebanon to rally behind Nasrallah was evident.. Several thousand Lebanese-Christians and Muslims united -were demonstra
61 Semsem : Well Beaucaire I think it's delightful that so many Lebanese love Hezbollah. They provoke wars with Israel every 10 years, they threaten to commit gen
62 Post contains images Windshear : so true! When Siniora speaks of the people killed from yesterdays building collaps as martyrs- I feel sick... When he also mention that Nasrallah has
63 Post contains images Klaus : As long as you can't even look your very own part of the mutual carnage in the eye, you have no right to whine and cry crocodile tears over the victi
64 Post contains images Windshear : Whoa Klaus relax would you! How can you be so arrogant as to constantly tell Israel how it feels, you do this all the time! You think Israel loves go
65 Beaucaire : Don't put words in my mouth that I did not say -The recent rally in Beirut was a gathering of people that basically are exhausted with civil destruct
66 Baroque : The scenes in Beirut today made it clear that it will be very difficult if not impossible for the UN to take on a useful role. Perhaps one of our Leb
67 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : In order to prevent a lot of duplication, and in order to prevent the arguments spiralling out of control, we have decided to create four official thr
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