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Israeli Airstrike Kills More Than 65  
User currently offlineAislepathLight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 562 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

Just got the email from CNN, and it says:

Quoting CNN breaking News:

CNN Breaking News
to TEXTBREAKINGNE.
-- More than 65 people dead or wounded after Israeli airstrike on Qana, Lebanon, security official says.

CNN breaking news story


"We have slain a large dragon, but we now live in a jungle filled with a bewildering variety of poisonous snakes."
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User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting AislepathLight (Thread starter):
IDF spokesman Jacob Dalal told CNN that Hezbollah has used the village to fire rockets into western Galilee, including the coastal town of Nahariya. Dalal said Israel was exercising its right to defend itself with the airstrike.

Sounds about right to me. The Hezbollah scum want to hide among the civilians, there shall be "civilian" deaths. Shows just how much they care about their fellow Arabs.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3781 times:

Yes, Israel can kill as many civilians as they can and they can always claim that there was one terorist around. It was refugee building ans IDF attack is nothing more than act of terrorism.

User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

No question about it,
Israel has proved to be a terrorist state which is attempting to cushin its military defeat by targeting civilians...
Oh well the Arab League are FINALLY considering a united stance and a new boycott...



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3737 times:

The place is now full of reporters and TV cameras. Any evidence of destroyed rocket launchers in the village? Maybe under the rubbles?

I very much doubt it.


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4636 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3724 times:

Let's recap.

Hezbollah launched attacks into Israel.
Hezbollah has guerillas hiding in villages.
Israel warned innocents to flee.

tough luck lebanon.

Get better about who you let sleep in your bed.



Older than I just was ,and younger than I will soo be.
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7162 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
Let's recap.

Israel warned innocents to flee.

And then bombs them when they flee, forcing people to return home.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
tough luck lebanon.

That is cold.



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
tough luck lebanon.

These type of comments indicate a sick perception of what's right and what's wrong - you have obviously no idea what you are talking about .
The right-wing judeo-christian clique in Washington will drive us all into outright war and then blame it on the Arabs...



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User currently offline4xRuv From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 388 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Quoting OD720 (Reply 4):
The place is now full of reporters and TV cameras. Any evidence of destroyed rocket launchers in the village? Maybe under the rubbles?

You think the Hezbollah doesn't have censorship? they let the press shoot only what they want them to shoot. There was this whole piece about it the other day on CNN.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5859 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3708 times:

first few days the world was behind Israel...2 weeks later and Hezbollah is still firing rockets at Israel and the IDF is only managing to kill innocent civilians...makes you wonder who the IDF is really targeting? they seem to have lost sight of the mission, which was, to ensure the safe return of the 2 soldiers and not to wipe out refugee camps, innocent civilians and humanitarian convoys.


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User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3705 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
tough luck lebanon.

You obviously have no idea what is going on. If you knew Lebanese people if you've been to Lebanon you would know that the people are the most kind and caring people and the country is the most pro-western Arab country in the Arab world. You go there don't even relize you are in the Middle East. The people hearts, welcome western people from all religions and from all countries including US. Don't forget the current govt. in power in Lebanon is one of the most pro-western govt's in the Arab world and the kind of govt. the US wants in all corners of the Arab world but now the US has shown it's back to the govt.

How can any country justify a bombing that kills over 40 people most of them children?

...I am a Muslim and I see what Israel is trying to do, there needs to be peace in the Middle East and I pray for the people of Israel and Lebanon but the way Israel is doing this is not the right way and more needs to be done without bombs and rockets killing inocent lives.

Just a side note, as a American-Muslim I don't belive America needs brought into this Middle East conflict because it is not America's problem but America is the only country in the world that can help bring this to an end and stop inocent lives from being killed.

[Edited 2006-07-30 11:44:38]

User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3701 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
Israel warned innocents to flee.

And how exactly are the Lebanese in the south supposed to flee when the Israeli's have taken out the bridges and any vehicles that move are taken out by aircraft?

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
tough luck lebanon.

Get better about who you let sleep in your bed.

The same 'guilty by association' mentality that Osama and his friends use for carrying out attacks on innocent civilians in the west such as 9/11, Madrid and 7/7 is being used you and Israel to justify these attacks. That make's you and Israel no better then Al Qaeda.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4636 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3685 times:

Hey,
The people in Lebanon, may be sweet kind and cultured, but they made a big mistake by allowing Hezbollah in.

Hezbollah is using Guerilla warfare. They continue to launch hundreds of rockets into Israel each day. They use buildings and other cover to hide and move as they launch these rockets. Sometimes they use Hospitals, sometimes apartments, sometimes empty space.

Israel has better technology than Hezbollah. When they detect a rocket launch, they have a good idea where it came from. they will launch an attack in response.

To be within 1/4 to 1/2 mile of that rocket launch position is not a good thing.
Yet Hezbollah is continued to be allowed to launch rockets into Israel.
Don't be surprised when the reprisal is much more deadly and accurate.

The people on this board have compasion for the citizens of lebanon.
I do too.
I know families are being torn apart, innocents people are being killed . and that years of hatred and intolerance will continue. But remember it is happening on both sides of the border.

This war was started by Hezbollah, and war is hell.
Some of you are right, in that Lebanon does not need to be reminded of this,
but you would do well to remember that Hezbollah didn't seem to care 3 weeks ago.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4636 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 11):
The same 'guilty by association'

Unforrtunately it is probably guity by Proximity. If Hezbollah wasn't launching rockets from near those positions, I have high doubts the bombs would have landed near there.

I do feel bad for those people, and I hope some good comes of all this.
I have no idea at this point what that good will be between Lebanon, Hezbollah and Israel, But something needs to be done in that region.



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User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5859 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 13):
If Hezbollah wasn't launching rockets from near those positions, I have high doubts the bombs would have landed near there.

is there concrete proof? i mean the people the IDF just bombed were hiding in a bunker, Israel has lost total sight of what this mission was about, the safe return of it's 2 soldiers and disarming of hezbollah...neither of which is happening. 600 civilians dead in 2.5 weeks..yet barely a dent in the hezbollah ranks has been made.



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User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4636 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3665 times:

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 14):
is there concrete proof?

Read the quote.
I said "high doubts"

Both sides have lost control.
Hezbollah continues to launch rockets, hold prisoners, and squash cease-fire attempts that will render them obsolete.

Israel wants the soldiers back, retaliates, and destroys Lebanon.

Lebanon wants peace, but can't meet any middle ground in the above, and is depending on the UN to broker it.

The first step in this cease fire I think will have to be Hezbollah returning the prisoners, and ceasing the rocket launches, and allowing the U.N in.

Without the above, I don't think there will be peace.



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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

Oh dear Benjamin Netanyahu on Sky News just a moment ago compared the bombing in Qana to the RAF bombing in WWII of the Gestapo HQ in Copenhagen. Some bomb's landed on a local school and killed 86 children and 17 staff. He is obviously not aware that there was no precision weapons in WWII and the attack was carried out at the request of the Danish resistance.

I also highly doubt that any one from the IDF will go and apologise to the people of Qana like the RAF crews did after the war in Copenhagen. It's just sickening to compare any event in WWII to this Israeli turkey shoot.



British Airways - The Way To Fly
User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3611 times:

22 children were killed in this attack.  frown 

User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

My heart is shattered!!!!

I am speechless..... I feel worthless..... helpless....

Soooooo much pain.... soooo much anger.....


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3602 times:

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 5):
tough luck lebanon.



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 12):
The people on this board have compasion for the citizens of lebanon.
I do too.

Then show it.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 12):
war is hell.

Your posts make you look like immune to bloodshed.

Congratulations.



Take off and live
User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Israel brought about its own ending as an illegitimate "state" founded on terror beginning in 1948**, and continuous theft of Arab lands.

**Refer to "King David Hotel Bombing in Jersualem" circa 1946
an act comitted by Irgun, Hagana, and other Jewish organized terror organizations which called for the explusion of Arabs from their native land of Palestine through massacres (a-la-Qana) and illegitimate land "acquisitions" frrom the British mandate.



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3598 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 2):
Yes, Israel can kill as many civilians as they can and they can always claim that there was one terorist around. It was refugee building ans IDF attack is nothing more than act of terrorism.

Very disturbing - they'll probably call it collateral damage, same stupid term the US used whenever they hit civilians in '99 in Serbia - 3,500 of them; mainly innocent women and children.



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User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3591 times:

Quoting EurostarVA (Reply 20):
**Refer to "King David Hotel Bombing in Jersualem" circa 1946
an act comitted by Irgun, Hagana, and other Jewish organized terror organizations which called for the explusion of Arabs from their native land of Palestine through massacres (a-la-Qana) and illegitimate land "acquisitions" frrom the British mandate.

They also blamed the bombing of the King David Hotel on the British. Now where have we heard the Israeli's blame others for deaths caused at their own hands?



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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
The right-wing judeo-christian clique in Washington will drive us all into outright war and then blame it on the Arabs...

In a spirit of being helpful Beaucaire, should it not read "Washington HAS DRIVEN us all....".?

Quoting United777 (Reply 10):
Don't forget the current govt. in power in Lebanon is one of the most pro-western govt's in the Arab world and the kind of govt. the US wants in all corners of the Arab world but now the US has shown it's back to the govt.

Keeping up my helpful edits, perhaps "Lebanon WAS one of ...". I detect a certain amount of frostiness coming towards Wash DC towards La Rices latest frolics. Hardly surprising when it rather looks as if she arranged for the demolition of the country and for the supply of the bigger and better bombs to do it.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 12):
Hezbollah is using Guerilla warfare.

So, with the Israelis nestled away inside modern tanks, what do you expect Hez to do, advance in a thin red line? Every action has an opposite (although not necessarily equal) reaction. The US sees to it that Hez does not have conventional armaments similar to the IDF, so the Hez adopt different tactics. If you want them to fight a tank battle, you had best arrange for them to receive a couple of battalions of, say new Leopards and I am sure Hez would be happy to rerun the battle of Kursk for you.

Quoting CasInterest (Reply 12):
Israel has better technology than Hezbollah. When they detect a rocket launch, they have a good idea where it came from. they will launch an attack in response.

To be within 1/4 to 1/2 mile of that rocket launch position is not a good thing.

Within 1/4 mile, that is not the story we hear of CEPs for their weapons.

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 14):
is there concrete proof? i mean the people the IDF just bombed were hiding in a bunker, Israel has lost total sight of what this mission was about, the safe return of it's 2 soldiers and disarming of hezbollah...neither of which is happening. 600 civilians dead in 2.5 weeks..yet barely a dent in the hezbollah ranks has been made.

 checkmark  That is about the size of it. Just you missed the number of recruits they will have gained. Plus a turnaround in attitudes from the Arab states, and even Sunni organizations promising help. Difficult to work out the full balance. Lost one country, many civilians, some guerrillas (probably never know how many) gained, it will take years to count their gains.


User currently offlineQANTAS077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5859 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

gotta love that clown Condie Rice, "Too many children are being killed". i'd ahve thought that the fact that 1 child has died is bad enough...pack up your bags and head home love, your only taken seriously by Bush, Blair & the Israeli's. I can't talk about this shit because it makes me so angry.

We have some large rallies planned down here for the next few weeks, i'll be attending for sure.



a true friend is someone who sees the pain in your eyes, while everyone else believes the smile on your face.
25 Post contains links and images FOMEA : So you destroy towns, Kill Innocent civilians, Commit Massacres... and still can find the rocket Launchers? Not even one picture of a Destroyed Rocke
26 Post contains links Baroque : The BEEB has a page at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5223210.stm that is titled "Washington risks a wider conflict" "One major difference th
27 JFK69 : Put all the elements of the conflict behind, does anybody here think the IDF is strictly targeting civilians here? Do you think that Ehud Ohlmet woke
28 Emirates773ER : And it is the worth the life of 54 civilians, including 37 handicapped children? You comment is pathetic to say the least.
29 JFK69 : If Hezbollah is going to shoot from civilian areas then there may not be a choice. If Nasrallah or bin laden were hiding among 200 women and children
30 KSYR : Hizballah must be very happy! I imagine that Nasrallah started dancing when he heard that 30+ children had been killed. After all, the stated goal of
31 Post contains images Emirates773ER : First of all there is absolutely no proof that any rocket launcher was ever present, just to make the IDF actions justifiable one cannot believe that
32 Baroque : OK all of those are possible, what was with the ambulance? Are the Red Cross carrying rockets - that is a new accusation. Or was there a Hez guerrill
33 JFK69 : And there is no proof that a rocket launcher was not there either........Prove to me that it wasn't there and I will prove to you it was, exactly we
34 JFK69 : I can't answer for this ambulance damage but it has happened quite often that Hamas and Islamic Jihad have used Red Cross ambulances to transfer suic
35 JFK69 : I can't answer for this ambulance damage but it has happened quite often that Hamas and Islamic Jihad have used Red Cross ambulances to transfer suic
36 Post contains links and images FOMEA : Israel wil be blamed for this. No way out of it. Its not the 1st time. Not on that Town. And ISrael Bombed all Roads and Bridges that takes you out o
37 Emirates773ER : IDF is targeting any moving object there is in Lebanon at the moment, ambulances, lorries, cars, trucks, aid supplies etc. Their concept of war is to
38 SW733 : So many people in the West believe from the news that Hezbollah is only a terrorist organization...that ALL THEY DO is try to kill Jews and destroy I
39 Danny : Absolute rubbish. Israel first bombed all the roads. Then dropped leaflets to flee, then bombed refugee camp full of those who fled and buses with th
40 Post contains images Jacobin777 : yah...really accurate...really accurate.......more like .."just deadly".... make that 34 children.. dude..you are one SICK individual.... right...so
41 Falcon84 : So many of you are so disgusting. You sit here, and tacitly support the terror thugs of Hezbollah, who DO hide in civilian areas on purpose, to raise
42 AviationMaster : It's not the first time I read something like this about Hezbollah on the forums, but these factors are exactly what makes this organization so disgu
43 BWI757 : Please deliniate the Arab response to the Balfour Declaration? I beleive the Arabic response was "Hell, NO!". The opportunity was there in 1948, whic
44 JFK69 : This is what I love about this board. Half the responses have nothing to do with the topic or question posed but rather, let's just attack the poster
45 Boeing Nut : I dispize saying this but I have all but given up on the Middle East. There will never be peace, there will always be fighting. With this eye for an e
46 Sonic99 : What a load of crock! Shame on you for just blindly accepting this jibberish.
47 LTBEWR : I suspect that this thread will be locked up soon due to the heated conversations. This is a war that has be comming for a very long time. It is very
48 SW733 : Probably, but welcome to politics...that happens in a lot more countries than people care to acknowledge. Maybe not with regards to terrorism, but lo
49 SFOMEX : Good point Falcon, but you should remember that during the last weeks the IDF targeted many cars and trucks of people trying to leave the area. Check
50 Post contains images IceTitan447 : Very well said, they dont care. They(civillians) can give these people up, take care of them themselves, they dont, so civilians die. Keep believing
51 Post contains links and images FOMEA : You are somewhat right..they dont target Civilians. They Target Innocent Civilians. Have they done so? NO. Have they damaged any Rocket Launchers? NO
52 Slider : All is true about the Lebanese people. It's also true that they appeased terrorism by electing them and giving them official sanction in their govern
53 Post contains links NAV20 : I've had a thoughtful evening, sparked by three things. Net result is that I finally feel some hope that this dreadful situation may get better from h
54 Legoguy : If one person from Hizbullah is hiding in a building amoungt 100 innocent people, does that really justify bombing the place and killing everyone??? A
55 LY744 : You all might want to ask yourself what, or rather who stopped these civilians from leaving the war zone. Since the Lebanese army is non existent in s
56 Post contains links and images FOMEA : Ask the Israeli Govt, they bombed all bridges and Roads in and out of the area. Regards F-OMEA
57 Post contains images NAV20 : Simple answer, chum. Israel bombed shit out of the roads and bridges, and in addition fired missiles day and night at any moving vehicles, not exclud
58 Slider : Armitage is correct to a certain point, but diplomacy is predicated on reasonable people who can employ intellect. When you are dealing with someone
59 NAV20 : Slider, you don't say who 'they' are? Presumably you mean the party which is in the wrong? As far as I'm concerned, ever since 1948, that party has b
60 Post contains images Jacobin777 : when you make comments beyond stupidy, you will get responses as such... I, amongst others have quoted you when posting a reply...if you can't figure
61 Sonic99 : What a crass statement! The IDF is fighting a psy ops war targeted at "friendly" audiences as much as they're fighting a true war targeting Hezbollah
62 Falcon84 : They target those who are firiing rockets at them. And it is well know that Hezbollah, to increase the body count for PR, hides their hardware in civ
63 Post contains links and images LY744 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIT2YfXXjmI&eurl= Good choice for placing their rocket launchers on the part of the Hezbollah, quite consistent with th
64 Post contains links and images FOMEA : If Israel can identify Rocket Launcher, then they should be able to identify Innocent Civilians. If Israel claim its the rocket Launchers they are af
65 SFOMEX : It's not very clear, but it seems that Hizbollah uses civilians buildings to launch their rockets. Not surprising from a terrorist group, but the wor
66 Post contains images Baroque : To which you might add that the structure of Hez with social, political and military activities is not a fiendish plot. It simply addresses the needs
67 Jutes85 : Look at Hezbollah for godsake, they don't even give a shit who they hit, innocent, military, they just lob their rockets into Israel hopeing to hit s
68 Danny : Really? The facts are: 51 killed in Isreal - mainly soldiers 750 killed in Lebanon - mainly civilians
69 Post contains images Falcon84 : Again, if the innocent civilians are within earshot of a rocket launcher, that's not Israel's fault. And you didn't refute what is known to be true-t
70 Jutes85 : I guess you forgot to read the entire paragraph. Let me show you incase you can't find it: Besides, it is only natural to have more Lebanese deaths,
71 Post contains links and images FOMEA : I have never supported an Armed Hezbollah. As i have said it before and on this site : as much as i would love to see them disarm, i doubt it will ha
72 Sonic99 : That's been the general trend of warfare over the last century and it's nothing new although these tactics gained impetus during WW2. The French did
73 Schoenorama : As long as its Israel who decides to go after those targets despite the fact that Hezbullah places their lauchers in civilian areas, Israel sure is t
74 Legoguy : Yes same with me. Nothing can justify killing innocent civilians.... It has been mentioned here before that Hizbullah wants these Lebanese civialian
75 Post contains images Rammstein : No? I guess we should blame the global warming...
76 KSYR : I hardly call the deaths of 9 soldiers "having their asses kicked." And speaking of asses kicked, didn't Israel kill two or three dozen Hizballah fig
77 GDB : I wonder if all the Americans on here so supportive of Israel, would have approved of the RAF and British Army, doing even one thousanth of what the I
78 ME AVN FAN : Troops the world over usually are based in villages and towns. That also is the case with regular armies. That you approve the killing of civilians i
79 Sonic99 : Your logic, KSYR, as it applies to this conflict is sickening and petty. [Edited 2006-07-30 19:51:31]
80 Jetstar : Lets see, Hezbollah has fired over 1000 rockets at civilian areas in Israel all armed with ball bearings mixed with the high explosive warhead designe
81 SW733 : I usually don't get involved in political discussions, but I can't help it with KSYR: Yes, MEMBERS OF IT, make sure you emphasize that point - it isn'
82 Jutes85 : No. Also, there is only one terrorist organization in this conflict and it isn't the IDF. I guess it is easier for Arabs to blame the Israeli's for a
83 Flyboy36y : I have a few questions: 1. As the world calls for a cease fire by Israel, why does nobody ask for the return of the soldiers either first or after as
84 Falcon84 : Translation: I don't have a clue how to answer what intelligente people can see, so I'll just act as if it wasn't asked. What was said makes sense, b
85 RichardPrice : The last UN Resolution on Gaza included calls for the return of the imprisoned IDF soldier there - it was vetoed by the US because it was critical of
86 CasInterest : where is your "Concrete Proof" of deliberate targeting? This war is going to continue until someone disarms Hezbollah. Does anyone want to make a bet
87 JFK69 : Good pts flyboy. There is a reason why 9 Israeli soldiers were killed in that raid. They were fighting a war that could have been fought strictly fro
88 Jamesag96 : I keep reading innocent civilians are being killed in Southern Lebanon...how do you guys know all of these people are "innocent?" Are they innocent li
89 LY744 : BTW, the Israelis say they bombed the building around 1am, but according to reports from the site it didn't collapse until around 8am. There was anoth
90 JamesAg96 : Are they? To read some on here, or to watch the news at night you wouldn't think that were the case.
91 JpetekYXMD80 : Of course not for the IDF, which is why it's not happening. They'll keep playing the 60 civilians for a missle launch site game. Seems to me to be ve
92 Post contains links Jutes85 : Nope. Lebanese president fully behind Hezbollah. http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...l/2006/07/28/lahoud-interview.html
93 Sebolino : This is a very common, yet extremely stupid comment. Where do you want the terrorists to go ? Alone in the mountain, where they are sure that nobody
94 Flyboy36y : Of course he has no idea what he is talking about. A full scale ground war is the last thing that Lebanon needs. You think this is bad?? The alternat
95 RichardPrice : Maybe after seeing the IDF in action, some people have made the decision that there isnt that much between them. And also remember that politics and
96 Jutes85 : What.
97 RichardPrice : Yes, the cowards are precisely those people. But the butchers are the ones who shrug their shoulders, convince themselves theyve done 'enough' for th
98 LY744 : So which is it? The IDF is poorly trained, or the fact that they're fighting against guerilla tactics? LY744.
99 CasInterest : I agree with this, but what is the alternative? Hezbollah started this and today launched a further 134 missles into Israel. It would be nice if both
100 BestWestern : Thats right - the Italians are to blame. why with precision weaponry does Isreal kill so many innocents, whilst the 'Terrorists' with their lack of p
101 Post contains images AviationMaster : To hell is where they should go. It's not a stupid comment, it's a fact. The cowards they are would never fight the IDF or another army like normal a
102 RichardPrice : If they were correctly trained, they wouldnt be using conventional tactics against an unconventional force. Or maybe they are trained thus and these
103 Post contains links and images FOMEA : Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 85): Translation: I don't have a clue how to answer what intelligent people can see, so I'll just act as if it wasn't asked. W
104 Tancrede : Perhaps little out of the context, but please someone tell me what was the Hagannah? And how did they fight against the English Army?
105 Post contains links Dragon-wings : The IDF did target the wrong building. "Israel said it mistakenly destroyed a four-story building near a Hezbollah rocket-launching site in Qana, Leba
106 Post contains images IceTitan447 : And I bet it was W's fault for 9/11 as well, right? Every liberal always has a better way of doing things, if Bubba was still in office we would turn
107 Sonic99 : Hmmm.. Looks like another "oops" moment for Israeli Defence Force... [Edited 2006-07-30 22:45:01]
108 EWRCabincrew : Thankfully it wasn't. But the person in charge of it still roams the Earth free and alive, unlike the people he was responsible for killing. Instead,
109 F9Widebody : So then, you would suggest that IDF just sit idly by and let their citizens die when Hezbollah launches rockets if they believe they have a way of st
110 RichardPrice : Israel has announced it is halting all military airstrikes for the next 48 hours while an investigtion is being completed.
111 AsstChiefMark : I just saw that, too. But they're reserving the right to attack if they see rockets being launched from Lebanon. Now some Hezbollah general needs to
112 Post contains images Dc863 : Hezgorilla wants civilian deaths both Israeli and Lebanese. It wants Lebanese civilian casualties because it puts pressure on Israel to stop it's milt
113 Sonic99 : You just listed two options - not three... air bombings is akin to war - certainly not giving out cakes now is it? Aside from that I would venture to
114 LY744 : Are you serious?! They've left Lebanon 6 years ago and today Hezbollah is as strong as it has EVER been! They left Gaza too... LY744.
115 JamesAg96 : Rightful owners using what determination? pre-Christ, 1948, 1967?
116 Flyboy36y : By war, I meant an all out ground war. And you cannot have peace with an organization whose mission to to destroy you.
117 Clipperhawaii : No, but we supported RAF bombers smashing the hell out of German cities and killing thousands of civilians. And thank God for it too! Right? For Brit
118 Post contains links LY744 : A video the IDF released showing Hezbollah activity in Qana etc. http://www1.idf.il/SIP_STORAGE/DOVER/files/3/55363.wmv LY744.[Edited 2006-07-31 00:36
119 Sonic99 : Yeah I am. I'm all pro Israel but what we've experienced over the last 50+ years ABSOLUTELY HAS TO STOP! ENOUGH! The current Israeli government's act
120 Post contains images Danny : This was not the first time Israel committed such a masacre in Qana. In 1996, Israeli artillery bombed the United Nations Interim Forces in Lebanon (U
121 Schoenorama : No, I suggest the IDF applies some proportionallity when it tries to eradicate Hezbollah-terrorists. I simply cannot believe that Israel, with the mo
122 Sonic99 : If I may just add a bit more for all that to make sense: - remove their philosophical raison d'etre (the militants). Most will disappear as a result
123 ZOTAN : Israel is much better planned for events like this though. They have bunkers in nearly every home. They have air raid sirens in many cities. You desc
124 LO231 : What?????? Al-Qaeida says: Us, get away from Middle East. Us doesn't, supports Israel. Al-Qaeida strikes WTC. WHat then? TOUGH LUCK THE WHOLE WORLD?
125 LO231 : you know them? You know how could they flee? Been there lately? Their cars are being targeted while they TRY to flee. Sick. Regards, LO231
126 IceTitan447 : I agree with you 100%. I am not trying to get my own knickers in a bunch, I am only wanting to discuss this topic not argue it. I think the Administr
127 Schoenorama : That's completely besides the point. The fact remains that with IDF's actual tactics (and, again, Israel's overal strategy), far more Lebanese civili
128 EWRCabincrew : It wasn't against you in the least. You just happen to be the one who said it. For that, thank you. Cheers, Bill
129 JamesAg96 : So it is the Israelis fault that Hezbollah are ineffective? Since when is a quid pro quo required in war? Seems to me if you have overwhelming force
130 Socal : I hope Israel pays to rebuild Lebanon.
131 JamesAg96 : I agree.
132 Post contains links JpetekYXMD80 : Quoting Socal (Reply 142): I hope Israel pays to rebuild Lebanon. They should. They won't. Take responsibility for their actions? What?! What happened
133 Socal : Am sorry, but as a tax payer what has Israel done for us? Thats right nothing. All I see on the news is bombs falling in Lebanon, tanks running in and
134 JpetekYXMD80 : That warm, fuzzy feeling!!!
135 Jutes85 : They shouldn't and they won't. They basically take care of business for the US in the middle-east. They are the front line on the war on terrorism. C
136 JpetekYXMD80 : Now why on earth shouldn't they? Especially for all these self-proclaimed 'mistakes'? "Ooops, sucks for you." Way to go, Israel.
137 JAL : Shame on Israel for their murderous actions during the past few weeks!!! Shame on those who think it's ok to bomb innocent civilians Shame on those wh
138 Hammerb32 : Bearing in mind this tactic has been useless since 1948, what makes you think 'these people' will understand it now ? Hizbollah cannot be excused or
139 Post contains links Damirc : Eh. Care of their own business and spinning it to make it seem as "US business". If Israel were a little bit more benevolent to it's neighbours, I'm
140 Schoenorama : Don't be daft, will you? So you believe everything is over as soon as you've blown up my block, myself and my family? How naive. What about all those
141 Post contains images Solarix : But NO SHAME on Hezbollah for starting this mess. Yeah it's all Israel and Americas fault. Oh yeah, and George Bush's fault too.
142 Post contains images Jacobin777 : see those women and children, 30+ children died, many who are infants..if you think they are "terrorists"..then you are deluded...
143 JamesAg96 : Actually it hasn't...every time it looks like Israel has done "too much" the international community gets the red-ass and the IDF is pulled back and
144 Post contains images MEABeirut : This shouldn't be happening. This is a devestating day for Lebanon and a disgraceful day for Israel. Where is Western societies when you need them? Wh
145 JpetekYXMD80 : On behalf of my country, the United States, we are too busy continuing to kiss Israels ass. The scary part is it seems to be true that the majority o
146 Dc863 : Shame on Hezgorilla for starting this war.
147 Solarix : When this started I was pretty neutral on this. But seeing these people continually blaming the United States for all their problems and chanting dea
148 Post contains images MEABeirut : Not any fun is it? It is not just the United States though. The US is sort of (and I say this carefully, so people, do not read too far into it) too
149 JpetekYXMD80 : You don't see the big picture. America has played favorites with Israel since its inception. Sure there is an unbelievable hatred for the U.S. in the
150 Post contains images MEABeirut : OK, A. I don't see people continually doing so. B. Because a few people have said negative things about the US you are going to condemn an entire peo
151 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Would it do any good? Every time a Western nation offers assistance, counseling, advice, we get our embassies attacked, our flgs burned and our peopl
152 JpetekYXMD80 : Yep!! That little analogy can sum up so much conflict in the region. I'd go a step further and say Hezbollah is the 10 year old who'll do whatever it
153 Post contains images AislepathLight : The UN won't do any good, cause Israel will bomb them and Hezbollah will blow themselves up or use rockets that can't hit the side of a barn. If Isra
154 Post contains images AGM100 : Why a disgraceful day for Israel ?... its war. Typical Arabs , start the war then blame Israel for the aggression. Same old story. Here is plan for a
155 Delta767300ER : 100% correct. I have known a lot of Lebanese-Americans that are very Pro-Western. They are some of the nicest and caring people I have ever met. QR33
156 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I only quoted your text.... What about the hundreds of innocent Lebanese (as well as elected Palestinian officials) Israel has been kidnapping over t
157 PIA777 : Speaking of CNN, they keep showing devasted areas in Lebanese hit by Israeli missles with dead people lying all over the place and 5 minutes later th
158 PIA777 : No good ever comes out of War but this one is going to show the real Isreal. They are not the innocent victims we have all come to know. Good Job Isr
159 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Perhaps you better read these threads more thoroughly . . . .
160 MEABeirut : Oh, silly me, I forgot that killing little children is all in good fun. Ok, I don't even know how to respond to this. First of all it is racist, seco
161 Post contains links NAV20 : Just heard a BBC reporter, Jim Muir, on the radio, who explained why many civilians are still there. He said that Shia families tend to be large - ten
162 ANCFlyer : And Syria is supplying the Hezbollah . . . Please, explain to me the difference? Oh how extrordinarily mellodramatic . . . . Gag me.
163 Semsem : Danny I suppose Hezzbolah firing rockets from civilian locations on Israeli civilians is not terrorism but Israel defending itself is considered terro
164 MEABeirut : I think you are missing my point. We were not talking about anti-Syrian sentiment (of which there is plenty in the US, and probably rightly so). We a
165 Semsem : EurostarVA you call Israel an "illegitimate State." If Israel is an "illigitimate State" then so is Lebanon. Lebanon is part of Syria and is an "artif
166 Post contains links ANCFlyer : I didn't miss a thing . . . . I understand. I was pointing out the hypocracy of beating up on the US for supplying Israel weapons and failing to ment
167 MEABeirut : I don't believe that anybody is denying that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization which carries out terrorist acts against the state of Israel. HOWE
168 Semsem : FOMEA do you really think that Hezbollah will announce how many men they lost? How come 99% of the dead civilians we see are all women and children? W
169 Semsem : Quantas so one child killed in a war is bad enough? Why no noise when a Jewish child is killed by a Hezbollah rocket? That's OK it seems. Could the hy
170 Semsem : Danny, had Northern Ireland decided to "destroy the Republic of Ireland" and allied itself with Iran, and then fired 1,000 rockets on Shannon and Cork
171 Okees : It saddens me to see that 65 civilians were buried under the rubble of the very primitive building they are taking shelter at, then blame them for bei
172 Semsem : PIA777 you say we got a lot of Muslims angry? Yes we already saw one Pakistani Moslem murder 1 innocent Jewish woman in Seatle in the USA and seriousl
173 MEABeirut : Errr..... what planet were you on? There was a major backlash against Hezbollah for doing so. It was only after Israel decided to respond by murderin
174 ME AVN FAN : If your data is correct, it can only be concluded that the building well survived the initial attack but collapsed later due to the vibrations result
175 IceTitan447 : What? Lebanon should make Hezbollah pay for this action. So Israel is at it with Hezbollah's a terror network, and Israel needs to repay Lebanon? Leb
176 NAV20 : The USA will be paying. It'll be part of any ceasefire deal.
177 EurostarVA : No No, just ask your government to return the stolen goods (West Bank, Gaza, Shaba, Golan and for Gods's sake relinquish full sovereignty not just a
178 Post contains links and images NAV20 : Interesting matching pair of press stories:- "United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice says she believes a cease-fire to end fighting between
179 ME AVN FAN : Israel attacked the infrastructure of Lebanon, and Beirut-Airport, Beirut-Seaport and the Highway to Sa'ida and the road to the Beka'a were NOT "terr
180 IceTitan447 : War is Hell, You have to fight it by any means possable. To read people defending Lebanon is insane. example. The neighborhood has a group of thugs r
181 Post contains links and images BWI757 : Here's why....Reuters video of Palestinian gunmen taking refuge in a UN/Red Cross ambulance: http://www.israelnetdaily.com/index.php?menu_option=vide
182 ME AVN FAN : nonsensical comparison
183 Sonic99 : Right... so military pulls out and the people who "live" there still have no rights, military law continues to govern, and should someone sneeze, the
184 RichardPrice : So any Red Cross ambulance moving is now a legitimate target? Along with any other moving vehicle on these roads? Who here is waiting for the humanit
185 JFK69 : No of course not but just like its been said before, if Hezbollah wants to fire missiles from civilian areas, and Palestinian gunmen want to hide in
186 BWI757 : Those sneezes are usually laden with shrapnel from suicide bombers, or sensitive Israeli listening equipment determines the sneeze eminated from a wa
187 Post contains links Baroque : Indeed, that would be a great start. In all probability it would even be a finish, which makes one wonder if it is not the case that there are those
188 AA777 : It is shameful that there are those of you on this board that cannot see that the death of over 60 Lebanese civilians is a tragedy. How sick to even
189 Baroque : As someone else posted, why not try giving them back what has been stolen - they might even smile! La Rice seems to have got herself as close as pers
190 Post contains links Baroque : I had not forgotten Tancrede, just I was busy. Not difficult to find. Wiki is fairly neutral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah "Following the Arab
191 ME AVN FAN : Well, if you place women and children onto the left side and the men onto the right side, and then tell the media-men "HERE you see...... " then they
192 PIA777 : Looks like those innocent Isrealis launched another strike, even after the 48 hour cease fire. PIA777
193 JpetekYXMD80 : Oh yeah!!! Great idea, icetitan!!! Is that the plan? Eliminate and destroy them, and then make them pay. It might be hard to get money from an organi
194 CasInterest : I do see it as a tragedy, for you not to recognize it means you have not read all of my posts. However, the true tragedy lies in the fact that Hezbol
195 Damirc : Very. Dangerous. Statement. Does 'the other side' get the same right of use of the 'all is fair in war' doctrine or is it reserved for just one side?
196 JpetekYXMD80 : ok...? yeah good analogy...not. Why lets just go drop some nukes on them now! Yee haw!! And i'd have to see your definition of 'defending Lebanon' to
197 Baroque : A good point. However I suspect the equation goes rather this way: Hezbollah + Bombs = HEZBOLLAH I think we must have to get used to this concept as
198 JFK69 : Great points. If I see a war in my backyard or any type of potential dangers then I get the hell out of there. If I see potential dangers that I know
199 Baroque : Well interesting, most who have half paid attention have noticed that those trying to escape as suggested have had the bejabers bombed out of them. T
200 Damirc : Of course, while you're sitting in your air raid shelter (read: cellar of the house) the terrorist on duty will come knocking on the door and letting
201 Tancrede : Thanks for your answer. I had hear that Haganah/Irgun was qualified as terrorist organisations by the British authority then. My opinion is that many
202 Post contains images Damirc : What I especially find ironic is the meaning of "Lochamei Herut Israel" (better known under it's acronym "Lehi"), which was a split off from the Irgu
203 GDB : Thanks to Baroque for his historical input. Clipper, not an unexpected input from you. However, last time I looked, the USAAF were just as cupable, if
204 CasInterest : I understand your point. There are going to be people that wind up in a war zone that don't want to be there. Unfortunately they got screwed by the f
205 Baroque : I thought it worth quoting from a neutral authority at length. That is indeed a major point, the IDF is itself descended from an organization that ar
206 BWI757 : Did you READ the link? This was from REUTERS, not Israel Broadcast Authority
207 Clipperhawaii : You bet it's an expected input from me. Your analogy was poor at best and was shot down. (Pardon the pun) What I don't like is when people try to tie
208 AA777 : Some people have no place to go. Lebanon is a TINY country. You could drive the whole thing in a matter of hours. Easily. Israel is making no place s
209 CasInterest : What would you say war is? Peace and lillies? happy people? No Harm intended? No one get's hurt? Nothing done in harm's image. War is War. Death, Car
210 Post contains images Jacobin777 : like I care.. ..... gee....look at the casualty lists and it speaks for itself......
211 Jutes85 : * [Edited 2006-08-01 01:46:15]
212 Post contains links Garnetpalmetto : In order to prevent a lot of duplication, and in order to prevent the arguments spiralling out of control, we have decided to create four official thr
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