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Terrorists Terrorizing In Guantanamo  
User currently offlineClipperHawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Oh yes, my favorite subject. The "cockroaches" of Guantanmo seem to be up to their old terrorist ways even in prison.

From the AP. -- "The prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay during the war on terror have attacked their military guards hundreds of times, turning broken toilet parts, utensils, radios and even a bloody lizard tail into makeshift weapons, Pentagon reports say."

No! Well you don't say!

There is even this - "Military Police guards are routinely head-butted, spat upon and doused by "cocktails" of feces, urine, vomit and sperm collected in meal cups by the prisoners." Guards currently stationed at Guantanamo describe the atmosphere as "tense" as these prisoners often orchestrate violence in hopes of unnerving their captors, especially with attacks using bodily fluids.


Read that as a form of terrorism folks. Plain and simple.



"I mean, seeing a human being act that way, it's terrifying. ... You are constantly watching before you take your next step to see if something is about to happen," so says a Navy Senior Chief Petty Officer.


Well there Senior Chief, after all... they ARE terrorists in the first place! These people are sorry cases of human beings if there ever was one.

I for one, will be happy when we are rid of the whole lot. One way or another. Draw your own conclusions of what "rid" means.

Now, where's my bug spray? pfsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss


"You Can't Beat The Experience"
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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

Make'em listen to 50 Cent.  Wink

Followed by Paris Hilton.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):

Read that as a form of terrorism folks. Plain and simple.

What. The. F***. Are. You. On?!

Seriously, the above happens in US prisons every day, its a regular occurance. You really dont have to bring the T word into this, it has sod all to do with it.

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):
Well there Senior Chief, after all... they ARE terrorists in the first place! These people are sorry cases of human beings if there ever was one.

No, they are prisoners accused of terrorism - have any of them been tried and convicted of crimes in a legal court of law?

Im sorry but this thread is highly indicative of society today - label every action as terrorism, treat it more harshly than it would otherwise be treated (mmmm, simple assault charge?), keep the population frightened and cowering and easy to control.


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 1):
Make'em listen to 50 Cent

Followed by Paris Hilton.

Damn, that would be even more brutal than what happened in Abu Ghoreib  Silly .


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12034 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1714 times:
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Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):
Read that as a form of terrorism folks. Plain and simple.

 rotfl 

In case you missed it, they are suspected terrorists. Either try them or release them.

If they were treated as human beings, they might behave like them.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21353 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

And all that for merely being held without trial or representation for several years? How dare they get mad over that...?  crazy 

I'm sure you would simply sit there and meekly wait for whatever they'll think of doing with you next, wouldn't you...?

It's possible that some of the detainees may in fact be evil terrorists, but looking at the fact that numerous captives had already been released for definitely being innocent after having been held for years, Guantanamo simply stinks, with or without added excrement!  yuck 


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2026 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

O'er the land of the free
And the home of the brave!

Torture all, there could be some culprits between them. Who cares about innocents?
A society on the way back into the Middle Ages.  Yeah sure

Axel



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User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):
Read that as a form of terrorism folks. Plain and simple.

I wonder what happen If you (ClipperHawaii) were kidnapped and put into a hostile camp without the right to talk with your parents and friends, being held without trial for some years.

I'm sure you would act like a gentleman!  Yeah sure


User currently offlineRammstein From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1669 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
that numerous captives had already been released for definitely being innocent after having been held for years

I wonder if US administration payed them money to compensate this.

Anyone has info?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):
have attacked their military guards

most of those held in Guantanamo were not terrorists but just some people who either were taking courses in those camps up there in military "trades" or people who were serving in the then government army of Afghanistan. Sounds as if you are just one of those US-Americans who enjoy that camp on Cuba as a tool for your revenge in regard to OBL.


User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4978 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):
Read that as a form of terrorism folks. Plain and simple.

A form of terrorism?????

            

Well then, if that's a 'form of terrorism' I guess the US have finally found something to put them on trial for!

"We hereby sentence you to 10 years in prison for the terrorist act of... throwing shit at the guards."

Anyway, as others have said, I'm sure you would act all politely when being kept in prison without trial or representation for several years.

[Edited 2006-08-01 16:31:17]

User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 10):
We herby sentence you to 10 years in prison for the terrorist act of... throwing shit at the guards."

and another 5 years for having learnt to handle a gun


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):
and even a bloody lizard tail into makeshift weapons

Oh NO !!!

That's so awful. You can really terrorize 200 armed guards with a lizard tail. Those guards must be terrrified.

Gosh, just the other day, my 4-year old nephew "terrorized" my 3-year old niece with a dead cricket.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
I'm sure you would simply sit there and meekly wait for whatever they'll think of doing with you next, wouldn't you...?

Armchair warriors usually end up becoming Big Bubba's "girlfriend" in prison.

But as far as this guy goes, I bet that just one day without airconditioning, ESPN or a big box of donuts would make him wail like the big girl he really is.


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):
Military Police guards are routinely head-butted, spat upon and doused by "cocktails" of feces, urine, vomit and sperm collected in meal cups by the prisoners.

it isn't uncommon for prisoners to spread these 'cocktals' around their cells in most countries -it is called a 'dirty protest', and I'm sure many American prisoners do it, too - not just those who are being detained on charges which haven't actually been brought against them yet.

Quoting ClipperHawaii (Thread starter):
Read that as a form of terrorism folks. Plain and simple.

 rotfl 
My grandma used to threaten us with 'the wooden spoon' if we were naughty - never actually hit us, but better get her off to Guantanamo immediately!



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1598 times:

Holy bullcrap, Batman! Some people just don't live in the real world!!!

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 4):
If they were treated as human beings, they might behave like them.

In the real world, there are a lot of people who will stab you in the eye if you don't keep your guard up. The best thing about the strict control in Gitmo is that it has prevented (so far) any fatalities on the part of the guards.

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 6):
Torture all, there could be some culprits between them. Who cares about innocents?

Their COULD also be a pig in your ear. But it's damned unlikely.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
most of those held in Guantanamo were not terrorists but just some people who either were taking courses in those camps up there in military "trades" or people who were serving in the then government army of Afghanistan.



User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1113 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

I thought they were a people of peace and love,sperm bombs,must be thinking of the 72 virgins or some damn thing!

User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1568 times:

These people will use any form or tactic to strike fear. Be it a bomb or a cup full of excrement.

It's a form of terror. Terrorizing, to coerce by intimidation or fear. That's what these people do.

I agree too that we need to put these people on trial and punish them when they are convicted. But we will do it when WE ARE ready to do it. Don't like that? Too bad. Our war, our prisoners, our laws, our doing. And you can shove your world opinion as far as I am concerned. We are the United States, and STILL the leader of the free world. As I said, deal with it and stop being so sympathetic to people who hope for nothing but harm to come to the U.S.

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 6):
O'er the land of the free
And the home of the brave!

That's right! And keeping these scoundrels in Guantanamo is one way of doing it! Perhaps we can send them your way. No, you wouldn't like that huh?

I just love to see the usual suspects come out of the woodwork with their sympathies. Although predictable, it's very worrisome that people have no clue about the world they live in. Perhaps that is one of the fundamental problems we have in the world today. People just want to look the other way. Not my problem.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 9):
most of those held in Guantanamo were not terrorists but just some people who either were taking courses in those camps up there in military "trades" or people who were serving in the then government army of Afghanistan. Sounds as if you are just one of those US-Americans who enjoy that camp on Cuba as a tool for your revenge in regard to OBL.

                


And some person asks "what am I on?" As I said, very worrisome that people think things like that. Some of you need to get real and understand the happy sunshine and butterfly world you think you live in is not possible with the type of people that are being detained at Guantanamo. And elsewhere. (But shhhhh we can't talk about that!)  

[Edited 2006-08-01 20:03:49]


"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1563 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 16):
I agree too that we need to put these people on trial and punish them when they are convicted. But we will do it when WE ARE ready to do it. Don't like that? Too bad. Our war, our prisoners, our laws, our doing. And you can shove your world opinion as far as I am concerned. We are the United States, and STILL the leader of the free world. As I said, deal with it and stop being so sympathetic to people who hope for nothing but harm to come to the U.S.

I think that about sums up why so many people have a poor opinion at the moment of the US - you dont exactly put your country in any better light.

I so wish there was a 'bitchslap across the internet' button, I could put it to great use.


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
I think that about sums up why so many people have a poor opinion at the moment of the US - you dont exactly put your country in any better light.

Well pall for years, the United States have just sat by and taken all the hits we can. Welcome to the 21st Century USA.

Enjoy the change and the big stick. Because by God we sure are using it of late.  yes 

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
I so wish there was a 'bitchslap across the internet' button, I could put it to great use.

Right back at'cha. Americans are increasingly growing tired of "world opinion". We need to start doing what is right for the USA first for a change.



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 17):
I so wish there was a 'bitchslap across the internet' button, I could put it to great use.

But that would be an act of "terrorism" according to Ms. Macadamia Nut.

It's a form of terror. Terrorizing, to coerce by intimidation or fear.

Oh, yes. That lizard tail, especially. Real fearful stuff.

I'm sure it would have coerced the Gitmo guards to drop their weapons in abject fear and run to Mommy.

[Edited 2006-08-01 20:19:31]

User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4978 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 16):
We are the United States, and STILL the leader of the free world.

Then ACT like it.


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 20):
Then ACT like it.

We have and will continue to do so. But it's on OUR terms.

Thanks so much.



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 19):
But that would be an act of "terrorism" according to Ms. Macadamia Nut.

I would expect better from you. Seems any argument you have is weak when you result to childish name calling.

I think even you would agree with that?



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 18):
Well pall for years, the United States have just sat by and taken all the hits we can. Welcome to the 21st Century USA.

Well pal, I suggest you start by reading "Wars of the 20th Century" and work yourself backwards.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1537 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 18):
Well pall for years, the United States have just sat by and taken all the hits we can. Welcome to the 21st Century USA.

Just what 'hits' has the US been taking? Seriously? Just about the most militarily active country since WW2, with more troops in other countries than any other. There hasnt been a year gone by where the US hasnt been in military action, dropped bombs on someone, or had troops in places they havent been invited into. No, this isnt a US bash, its a valid statement.

Believe me, the world is getting a bit tired of people like you claiming that the US is soooo good that everything should just be left to your god given judgement.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 18):
Enjoy the change and the big stick. Because by God we sure are using it of late.

I wonder why the use of that 'big stick' isnt classed as 'terrorism' in your eyes, its certainly used to coerce other nations.


25 Damirc : Damn. Must have missed *that* election. FWIW ... I like the USA, but what is has been doing the past couple of years is political suicide. D.
26 Post contains images Rammstein : Fine, but please remember that according to International Law, you are doing something illegal. Or US people can follow the laws only when they want?
27 Scorpio : SO let me summarize: you're the leader of the FREE world, yet we're to listen or else? Do you know how to spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e? Oh, and stop speak
28 Damirc : But. Don't you understand the concept of US and THEM? US being the good guys and THEM being the bad guys? Sarcasm hat off ... the USA has done a lot
29 Post contains images Clipperhawaii : There hasn't been a year gone by where the US hasn't been in military action,dropped bombs on someone, or had troops in places they haven't been invi
30 DrDeke : This is utterly embarrassing to me as an American. You talk about "our laws." Our laws don't generally call for holding people in jail for years with
31 Jaysit : Uh, no. Your entire post is so over-the-top absurd and has provided us with such amusement and laughter this dull and stifling afternoon, that all on
32 RichardPrice : Yes I suppose I am a revisionist - that is, if you have been sitting in a closet all your life and taking news from Fox. Google around, visit some ot
33 Jaysit : And they're not our laws. In a b*tchslap heard all around the world, the Supreme Court made that clear to the now red-faced Bush White House and its
34 Clipperhawaii : Sure what ever you say. Read the report from AP. Then get back to us. With your sympathies. And since you like Hawaiian words. Aloha!
35 Rammstein : Finally someone witch is able to connect the neurons inside his head. Good points DrDeke, thanks.
36 Post contains images Jaysit : Oh, man, only you could take that report and unilaterally declare the use of a severed lizard tail and a teaspoon of spunk "acts of terrrorism."
37 Clipperhawaii : I guess you miss the whole point of the article then. I frankly doubt it as you just don't want to say, "there's a point here". Think whatever you li
38 Scorpio : They are? Every single last one of them? Including the ones that you said a year ago were 'most certainly' terrorists, yet have been released meanwhi
39 Clipperhawaii : Through appropriate investigations some were in fact released. What, no credit for the U.S. for that? These remaining people will be dealt with in due
40 Rammstein : Sure, but I repeat my question, just in case you are deaf... Were the released people compensated for the damage? Any official excuse from the US gov
41 Post contains images Scorpio : For what? Setting innocent people free after having illegally detained them for several years without access to councelling, and in many cases only a
42 Doona : Hey, if feces, urin and sperm were the only things terrorists threw at you, the world would probably be a better place, albeit a little disgusting. C
43 Post contains images Rammstein : Now it's Clipperhawaii turn
44 Post contains images Klaus : "WE" have apparently decided that many of them were definitely innocent, which led to their release. Not that that had saved them from being imprison
45 Clipperhawaii : Scorpio, the high school teacher. You will never find anything you are happy with involving the U.S. You hate the U.S. and can't stand it. Even when
46 DL021 : I'm not sure that the prisoners actions are terrorism in any but its most literal definition, but I'm fairly certain they were all captured in the act
47 DrDeke : And your lofty position gives you not only a better position from which to comment, but also the standing to criticize Scorpio's employment? The Supr
48 Clipperhawaii : I feel that they are. Albeit in a very, very simplistic form. It's all they can do and they seem to use it as a form of terrorism to best suit their
49 Jaysit : What point (assuming that you even have one)? That the act of throwing spooge or (gasp) a lizard tail in the face of one's captors is an act of terro
50 DL021 : I think you look too simplistically at that decision. But I'll stand behind what they said because they are the final arbiter of our laws and how the
51 Clipperhawaii : I think it would be incredibly naive to say that there are NO terrorists there.
52 Clipperhawaii : I think it's VERY admirable that he is a teacher. But I would expect more from a teacher than he is showing. Much, much more.
53 RichardPrice : They arent being held as military captives, that would put them under the Geneva Convention and accord them certain rights. They arent being held as
54 Klaus : No. Many had simply been sold to the US troops by the infamous Northern Alliance - so they simply had to have pissed off the local warlords (now most
55 Jaysit : Sure enough. But many of those caught in the Gitmo net included paid cooks and clerical workers who were in the employment of the Taliban govt, as we
56 DL021 : And you know this because? as they have been throughout history, and it's a fact that will eventually have to help the central government deal with..
57 RichardPrice : We hold you to the high standards because you claim those high standards for yourselves. Thats the difference between you and the terrorists.
58 DL021 : I thought about my statement after I wrote it, and actually agree with the concept of being held to higher standards in many things. However I do thi
59 Post contains images Scorpio : Trust me, buddy, when I say that you don't know shit about me. I could name a hundred things that are wonderful about the US, and they far outweigh t
60 DL021 : Getting a bit ugly there, aren't you? You differ in opinion and you accuse him of being a bad American because he doesn't see things your way? Overre
61 Scorpio : I said this not because I disagree with what he says, but because Clipperhawaii is one of those people who believes that the only way you can be a go
62 Jaysit : You're seeing this as a perfectly rational White House kindly releasing these individuals after a fair determination of their status. This is anythin
63 Scbriml : Of the hundreds that have been detained for years in Gitmo, how many have been found guilty of terrorist offences? Has the number reached double figu
64 Post contains links Clipperhawaii : Quoting Scorpio (Reply 61): I said this not because I disagree with what he says, but because Clipperhawaii is one of those people who believes that t
65 Scorpio : You called me out on absolutely nothing, because you're simply wrong about me being 'anti-American'. It really is that simple. I'm not 'nasty and bit
66 LOT767-300ER : I am no pro-Bush either, but I am glad we told such countries like Germany (not so much anymore with Merkel) but France to F' off, they did not deser
67 Post contains images Mhodgson : And I'm sure the armed guards there are perfect angels who never attempt to intimidate the prisoners in return . Does that make the guards terrorists
68 MDorBust : They are being accorded all the rights that the Geneva Convention grants to non-legitimate combatants. Not all combatants are protected equally by th
69 Jaysit : Give it up - no one but the certifiable are buying your nonsense equating throwing feces with terrorism. Its failed the laugh test and while its been
70 ME AVN FAN : - there is an easy way to change this, I mean the "wrong" people down there. Simply sentence them to 5 years prison for gross nonsense, illegal civil
71 Klaus : The declaration of the detainees as bascially human beings without status and without human rights is fictitious and completely inexcusable for any f
72 MDorBust : The US treats it's prisoners to all established standards, and yet are condemend. For what? What standard of human rights is the US breaking? They ar
73 ME AVN FAN : - They do NOT want to be *sheltered and fed and cared for" they want to be free and back home. - And they of course are entitled to be given trials.
74 MDorBust : Too bad for them then isn't it. Really? For what? They haven't been charged with a crime to have a trail. And they don't need to be charged with a cr
75 Post contains links Baroque : And here are some comments on the charges brought against David Hicks. If any sort of justice is intended, all charges against Hicks should be droppe
76 ME AVN FAN : Sure, because most of them are practically innocent, and, just as many others there, are to be freed, due to lack of proveable guilt.
77 Baroque : All too true. However, dont forget it cuts both ways. As matters stand, if you visit a country that has passed laws similar to those in the US, the U
78 LH477 : Clipper......you have been drinking way too much of the koolaid. To consider actions of this alleged incarcerated terrorists an act of terror is absur
79 MD-90 : Terrorism my ass. No man can be terrorized unless he chooses it.
80 MDorBust : Uh no... it's because being a combatant isn't a crime. Absolutely expected... and one of my top five reasons not to be a terrorist.
81 Scorpio : and then: Make up your mind: are they there because they are combatants, or because they are terrorists?
82 MDorBust : When did the two become mutually exclusive? Although... I would dearly love to see someone try and explain a non-combatant terrorist.
83 Scorpio : Oh come on... an 'enemy combatant' is someone who fights foreign forces and is not a member of the official army of that country. A terrorist is quit
84 MDorBust : ... ... enemy combatants can't be members of a standing army? .. ..umm.. sure there boyo... sure... Let's get this straight. Combatants are any membe
85 Scorpio : So let's see here: you're trying to convince me here that the Geneva convention meant for people to be locked away for the rest of their lives, simpl
86 MDorBust : They can also be exchanged for prisoners with the other party or paroled. But yes, in a nutshell, that's what the Geneva Convention says. Convince yo
87 Scorpio : I'm not laughing at the Geneva convention, merely at your interpretation of it. Failure to understand that whatever 'pop culture reference' I suppose
88 RAPCON : Solution? Three words: "RADIO" & "PORTABLE" & "GENERATOR" It works well with Arabs. The French paras called it ""GeGe"!
89 QANTAS077 : payback's a bitch...deal with it! your troops had no trouble dishing that kind of treament out to POW's in Abu Ghraib, and you whine about it when th
90 MDorBust : Right'o then. Please find me anywhere in the Geneva Convention where it specifies alternate release of prisoners other than those that I have previou
91 Klaus : Holding human beings indefinitely without indictment and with no legal recourse is inhumane treatment and violates basic human rights. Whether the leg
92 MDorBust : Then tell the Taliban and Al-queda to surrender. Following the Geneva Convention is a violation of human rights? Are you saying the US should scrap t
93 Klaus : I do. Satisfied? You may claim it allows you to hold randomly detained people for as long as you like (which is very questionable), but it most certa
94 MDorBust : I'll wait for the response before recomending the US act. It sure does. Section II, Chapter 1, Article 21. Sure sure, whatever. When was it that ever
95 Post contains links and images Klaus : So you're importing your moral standards from a cave somewhere in Taliban-land along the afghan-pakistani border? Yeah, it really shows! What are you
96 MDorBust : No, I'm requiring an official surrender before we impart the portions of the Geneva Convention relative to the cessation of hostilities. Article 21 s
97 Post contains links Klaus : The Taliban government of Afghanistan - the valid target of the allied counter-attack for 9-11 - has been soundly beaten and replaced by a new afghan
98 Baroque : But does it not suggest to you that an open AND contestable system of law enforcement would be of benefit to us all. Having a mumbo jumbo system hidd
99 Scorpio : Please find me anywhere in the Geneva convention where it says that people supposedly belonging to groups that never officially surrender, despite be
100 ME AVN FAN : You have the choice in such cases. You can accept them as being POWs under the Geneva conventions OR you can insist that they are NOT under these con
101 747400F : No you are not, you CLAIM to be the leader. When have you lot ever stopped? When is the last time you lot have stopped to consider others points of v
102 Post contains images MDorBust : There seems to be an awfully large amount of fighting in Afghanistan for the war being over... are the Americans and Canadians shooting at each other
103 Scorpio : You and I both know that the Taliban will never officially surrender, which is the only way they should be freed according to your logic. Also, somet
104 ME AVN FAN : redflag ????? for making a constructive positive suggestion !
105 Baroque : The usual rubrick is that they are held for interrogation that yields information critical for the security of civilization as we know it. None of th
106 Post contains images MDorBust : They could also be traded for prisoners... which is also very unlikely as the Taliban isn't about to do that either. They could be given parole, and
107 ME AVN FAN : Well, they have served their time for both gross nonsense and attending courses of an illegal organisation, are NOT members of a nation or army at wa
108 RAPCON : The who is the leader? The ones who led the UN force in Bosnia for almost 7 years until the US got involved? Are they the leaders?? Inquiring Minds W
109 MDorBust : They were attending classes of an organization at war. This makes them no different that soldiers in training for a military. As such they are consid
110 Scorpio : So all that talk of them being such incredibly dangerous terrorists that we should be so thankful of are now off the streets is just BS then?
111 Baroque : Not so much a correction Scorpio as an expansion, they are "the worst of the worst". This without a trial or in most cases even a charge, and of cour
112 MDorBust : No doubt that some of them are super dangerous ultra fanatical blah blah blah terrorists. No doubt some of them are not. No doubt that some of them a
113 Scorpio : I'll never understand how one can admit to that and at the same time defend these people being kept hostage for years.
114 Baroque : Suck on a Napoleon bon bon for me Scorpio, a favourite of mine!
115 MDorBust : Did I or did I not advocate that the ones who can be safely paroled should be?
116 ME AVN FAN : ok incredibly dangerous ? then you possibly are not aware of the actual numbers in question, and what most did. The US-Americans during the Afghanist
117 Scorpio : I'm going to guess you missed the 'talk of' part there... And how does one know if that's the case when the US itself doesn't seem to know what exact
118 ME AVN FAN : what they DID wrong was to attend courses of elQaeda. So that whenever I opposed the "procedures" of the USA and advocate their release now, my pity
119 Klaus : Note I explicitly referred to the Taliban government. The war is over. A new government is in place. And the completely lawless detention of prisoner
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