LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12670 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1693 times:
Many Senators have probably been getting an earful from constitutants to do something to stop this mess before it engulfs the region in a wider war, including destroying Israel. Many Christians are getting killed in Lebanon too, and I suspect that is part of the issue. I also suspect that many fear that the USA will use the Israel-Hezebolah war as a way to go to war against Syria and Iran, something no sane person wants to see happen. It also ties in with our disasterous situation in Iraq, which at time goes on is becoming a Vietnam like for the USA. I am glad some GOP leaders are showing reason as to Bush and his failing and foolish policies.
Mrmeangenes From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1687 times:
On the other hand, there are 5 fingers...
Seriously,having Sen. Hagel,who OFTEN disagrees with the Prez,disagree again does NOT amount to "GOP Senators Disagreeing With Bush" unless you're going to count him as a separate senator each time he disagrees.
Frankly,my dear chap,I don't give a damn.
By the way,if ANYONE can negotiate ANYTHING remotely resembling peace in the Middle East,it is probably Dr. Rice: one of the finest,best-trained minds in the world.
Mrmeangenes From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 6): That statement might have any traction had she exhibited any of that constantly alleged intelligence during her tenure under this administration.
Klaus,you may recall Ms Rice hasn't been Secretary of State very long-but she has a long history of involvement with diplomacy.
For example,when Germany re-united, there were extremely delicate negotiations required - at what amounted to "breakneck speed" for diplomats-in order to keep matters flowing smoothly,to give the Russians a chance to "exit with honor" from the Eastern section,and to prevent chaos.
Dr. Rice was part of those negotiations-working behind the scenes,as a diplomat should,and won high praise from her co-workers and superiors.
Given the singular lack of success of other negotiators over the past 56 years,I think it reasonable to wait and see before pronouncing anathema.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1589 times:
Quoting Gilligan (Reply 12): Then it's taken 5 and half years to reach it, and we still haven't hit it yet. Ever hear about the boy who cried "wolf"?
The Iraq "policy" is in tatters, the numbers of the Iraqi and American dead increase daily, the US is reduced to hiding in the Green Zone, Baghdad is a disaster, Republican Senators and Congressmen are trying their damndest to NOT be photographed with Bush in an election year, the reasons for this war have been shown to be a passel of lies, and yet you think that the SS Bush is all smooth sailing?
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21346 posts, RR: 54 Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 15): Klaus,you may recall Ms Rice hasn't been Secretary of State very long-but she has a long history of involvement with diplomacy.
Gorbatchev was the real driver there, so I have my doubts about the depth of skill required to step through open doors.
And the more public Rice became, the less impressive she looked regarding her political competence. Looks like a severe case of being overhyped.
Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 16): Lame and toothless? That's some toothless lion considering all the tizzy some of you seem to have over Bush.
He sure can roar like there's no tomorrow, and the dumps he's leaving all over the place are world class, but other than that? Looks just like a huge mess with nothing positive to show for it, especially where it counts!
Quoting Maury (Reply 18): Who's next! Just remember: "toothless lion" is out of play.
PSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1530 times:
Quoting B757300 (Reply 22): Hagel has been opposing almost everything the President does since it gets him media attention and because he thinks he is going to be President come January, 2009.
And neither W or Hagel can realistically do anything to solve this matter
which has been an ongoing struggle for decades.
This conflict can only be solved from there, not from Brussels or D.C.
That is unless the E.U. or the U.S. want to send in their military forces,
which I don't see happening. Look how many times we've been down
this "peace process" road in the past decades.
Gilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1473 times:
Quoting Dvk (Reply 14): That would be Bush, et al, regarding WMD's in Iraq.
Along with every other western leader, Former Presidents Clinton and Bush 41, numerous Senators and Congressmen, most western intelligence agencies, and the UN. The argument was how to make him get rid of them, not whether he had them or not. Nice try at twisting however.
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 17): The Iraq "policy" is in tatters, the numbers of the Iraqi and American dead increase daily, the US is reduced to hiding in the Green Zone, Baghdad is a disaster, Republican Senators and Congressmen are trying their damndest to NOT be photographed with Bush in an election year, the reasons for this war have been shown to be a passel of lies, and yet you think that the SS Bush is all smooth sailing?
Well that's a whole boatload of OPINION.
25 JpetekYXMD80: Aren't approval polls? Those seem to be taken pretty seriously for the most part, and sure don't show the rosy (delusional) picture clipper is painti
26 Klaus: Attempt about #795 to repeat this blatant lie. Your president claimed that everybody shared his presented opinion on the alleged iraqi WMDs, knowing
27 Gilligan: As I've said many times before, if I presented you with nothing but bad news about any situation for 3 years, what would you believe. The facts remain
28 Klaus: I see you're diverting now. Good choice.
29 JpetekYXMD80: Iraq is far from the only issue contributing to overall evaluation and perception. An important one, but not the only one....and they certainly canno
30 Gilligan: [ I can start digging up the quotes, some from your own leaders if you wish. Did I quote you? How do you know that post was intended for you? Name ano
31 JpetekYXMD80: Katrina was a huge one, which left a lasting impact on the minds of many Americans...refute as you may. The push for the marriage definition amendmen
32 Texdravid: That is the most correct thing said on this thread. One cannot deny Bush has made many mistakes and will make many more before 1/20/09, but to the le
33 Gilligan: There is so much blame to go around for Katrina from the Federal level right on down to the individual level that it is pointless to even go into the
34 JpetekYXMD80: Then how come it couldn't get anywhere at all in congress? Should i look for The Unambiguously Gay Senators coming to NBC this fall? The support for
35 Klaus: There aren't any that supported the assumption you're operating under. A theoretical possibility was widely assumed, hence the UN inspections. And th