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GOP Senators Breaking With Bush On ME Crisis  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Seems there's growing pressure on the Bush Administration to get Israel to agree to an immediate cease-fire.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/31/hagel.mideast/index.html

Wonder who Mr. Bush would name as the "Statesman" to go to the Middle East, if he gave in. And that's certainly a rebuke to Condi Rice if I ever heard one.

Note: As stated before, I will not participate in those pre-fab threads on this issue, and in any event, this one is really outside the purview of those to begin with.

35 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

It's very interesting to hear something like that coming from a Republican such as Sen Hagel.... i wonder what W's response is gonna be!?

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1940 times:

Its called political expediency.

Republican pollsters must be sending missives saying "distance yourself from this sinking ship - or else sink along with it."

Makes you wonder who's worse? The sinking ship with its crew still heavy in denial, or the rats jumping off of it in droves.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13115 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Many Senators have probably been getting an earful from constitutants to do something to stop this mess before it engulfs the region in a wider war, including destroying Israel. Many Christians are getting killed in Lebanon too, and I suspect that is part of the issue. I also suspect that many fear that the USA will use the Israel-Hezebolah war as a way to go to war against Syria and Iran, something no sane person wants to see happen. It also ties in with our disasterous situation in Iraq, which at time goes on is becoming a Vietnam like for the USA. I am glad some GOP leaders are showing reason as to Bush and his failing and foolish policies.

User currently offlineMrmeangenes From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

On the other hand, there are 5 fingers...

Seriously,having Sen. Hagel,who OFTEN disagrees with the Prez,disagree again does NOT amount to "GOP Senators Disagreeing With Bush" unless you're going to count him as a separate senator each time he disagrees.

Frankly,my dear chap,I don't give a damn.

By the way,if ANYONE can negotiate ANYTHING remotely resembling peace in the Middle East,it is probably Dr. Rice: one of the finest,best-trained minds in the world.



gene
User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

The statements by Sen. Hagel sound reasonable and to the point. It would be good if his advice was heeded by the administration.

I'm just not getting my hopes up.


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 4):
By the way,if ANYONE can negotiate ANYTHING remotely resembling peace in the Middle East,it is probably Dr. Rice: one of the finest,best-trained minds in the world.

That statement might have any traction had she exhibited any of that constantly alleged intelligence during her tenure under this administration.

Similar case to Colin Powell, also highly praised but never actually accomplishing (or even attempting) anything of note.


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 2):
The sinking ship with its crew still heavy in denial, or the rats jumping off of it in droves.

Heavy denial?????? The ship is on a true consistent course that has not reduced its speed one bit.(No waffling)

It's the rats that are worse. Enjoy swimming with rats if that's your thing!



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 7):
Heavy denial?????? The ship is on a true consistent course that has not reduced its speed one bit.(No waffling)

LOL.

Yes, indeed.

Much like the Titanic.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 7):
Heavy denial?????? The ship is on a true consistent course that has not reduced its speed one bit.(No waffling)

Nice one, CH. Very bold verbage.  bigthumbsup 

One problem-there's an iceberg dead ahead, there's no time to turn and Bush is out front yelling "I'm the King of the Worrrld!"  Big grin


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
One problem-there's an iceberg dead ahead, there's no time to turn and Bush is out front yelling "I'm the King of the Worrrld!"

 rotfl 


User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
One problem-there's an iceberg dead ahead, there's no time to turn and Bush is out front yelling "I'm the King of the Worrrld!"

Sorry Falcon, wishing for an iceberg is not going to derail the ship of state. You may not like the cruise line but the problem is, you can't get off.

Enjoy the buffet and the juggernaut called Bush.

LOL



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
One problem-there's an iceberg dead ahead, there's no time to turn and Bush is out front yelling "I'm the King of the Worrrld!"

Then it's taken 5 and half years to reach it, and we still haven't hit it yet. Ever hear about the boy who cried "wolf"?


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 11):
Enjoy the buffet and the juggernaut called Bush.

Your lame and toothless lion isn't any more convincing than the oddly smelling fast food at the buffet.


User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 12):
Ever hear about the boy who cried "wolf"?

That would be Bush, et al, regarding WMD's in Iraq.



I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineMrmeangenes From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 6):
That statement might have any traction had she exhibited any of that constantly alleged intelligence during her tenure under this administration.

Klaus,you may recall Ms Rice hasn't been Secretary of State very long-but she has a long history of involvement with diplomacy.

For example,when Germany re-united, there were extremely delicate negotiations required - at what amounted to "breakneck speed" for diplomats-in order to keep matters flowing smoothly,to give the Russians a chance to "exit with honor" from the Eastern section,and to prevent chaos.

Dr. Rice was part of those negotiations-working behind the scenes,as a diplomat should,and won high praise from her co-workers and superiors.

Given the singular lack of success of other negotiators over the past 56 years,I think it reasonable to wait and see before pronouncing anathema.



gene
User currently offlineClipperhawaii From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2033 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 13):
Your lame and toothless lion isn't any more convincing than the oddly smelling fast food at the buffet.

Lame and toothless? That's some toothless lion considering all the tizzy some of you seem to have over Bush.

You may call Bush whatever you like but to call him a toothless lion is not quite correct I'd dare say.  yes 



"You Can't Beat The Experience"
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 12):
Then it's taken 5 and half years to reach it, and we still haven't hit it yet. Ever hear about the boy who cried "wolf"?

The Iraq "policy" is in tatters, the numbers of the Iraqi and American dead increase daily, the US is reduced to hiding in the Green Zone, Baghdad is a disaster, Republican Senators and Congressmen are trying their damndest to NOT be photographed with Bush in an election year, the reasons for this war have been shown to be a passel of lies, and yet you think that the SS Bush is all smooth sailing?

Gosh, even Condi Rice isn't that clueless.


User currently offlineMaury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 16):
You may call Bush whatever you like but to call him a toothless lion is not quite correct I'd dare say.

Oh, fun! How about: "Ultra-right-wing Christian reconstructionist wack-job?"

Who's next! Just remember: "toothless lion" is out of play.


Condi Rice is one of the greatest minds of all known history? Wow. Pity she's not a better...hmm, diplomat.


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1805 times:

Quoting Mrmeangenes (Reply 15):
Klaus,you may recall Ms Rice hasn't been Secretary of State very long-but she has a long history of involvement with diplomacy.

Gorbatchev was the real driver there, so I have my doubts about the depth of skill required to step through open doors.

And the more public Rice became, the less impressive she looked regarding her political competence. Looks like a severe case of being overhyped.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 16):
Lame and toothless? That's some toothless lion considering all the tizzy some of you seem to have over Bush.

He sure can roar like there's no tomorrow, and the dumps he's leaving all over the place are world class, but other than that? Looks just like a huge mess with nothing positive to show for it, especially where it counts!

Quoting Maury (Reply 18):
Who's next! Just remember: "toothless lion" is out of play.

Hey, I can still use it, okay!?  mischievous 


User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Based on the article, the title of this thread is misleading.

It is only one "Republican" and that is the RINO Hagel.

Hagel has been opposing almost everything the President does since it gets him media attention and because he thinks he is going to be President come January, 2009.



"There is no victory at bargain basement prices."
User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 22):
Hagel has been opposing almost everything the President does since it gets him media attention and because he thinks he is going to be President come January, 2009.

Exactly!!!!

And neither W or Hagel can realistically do anything to solve this matter
which has been an ongoing struggle for decades.

This conflict can only be solved from there, not from Brussels or D.C.
That is unless the E.U. or the U.S. want to send in their military forces,
which I don't see happening. Look how many times we've been down
this "peace process" road in the past decades.



fly high, pay low...Germanwings!
User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4389 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1749 times:

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 7):

Heavy denial?????? The ship is on a true consistent course that has not reduced its speed one bit.(No waffling)

I could do some comeback to refute that, but that would involve stopping laughing!!  rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Man, whatever you're smoking, must be some gooood shit.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 7):

It's the rats that are worse. Enjoy swimming with rats if that's your thing!

What if you never got onboard?



The Best Care in the Air, 1984-2009
User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21462 posts, RR: 53
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1715 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 20):
It is only one "Republican" and that is the RINO Hagel.

Just to be sure: Is it required for a "true" republican to be consistently wrong about everything or is it permitted to be right on occasion?

Just because Hagel seems to be right about a few things at least...


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting Dvk (Reply 14):
That would be Bush, et al, regarding WMD's in Iraq.

Along with every other western leader, Former Presidents Clinton and Bush 41, numerous Senators and Congressmen, most western intelligence agencies, and the UN. The argument was how to make him get rid of them, not whether he had them or not. Nice try at twisting however.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 17):
The Iraq "policy" is in tatters, the numbers of the Iraqi and American dead increase daily, the US is reduced to hiding in the Green Zone, Baghdad is a disaster, Republican Senators and Congressmen are trying their damndest to NOT be photographed with Bush in an election year, the reasons for this war have been shown to be a passel of lies, and yet you think that the SS Bush is all smooth sailing?

Well that's a whole boatload of OPINION.


25 JpetekYXMD80 : Aren't approval polls? Those seem to be taken pretty seriously for the most part, and sure don't show the rosy (delusional) picture clipper is painti
26 Post contains images Klaus : Attempt about #795 to repeat this blatant lie. Your president claimed that everybody shared his presented opinion on the alleged iraqi WMDs, knowing
27 Gilligan : As I've said many times before, if I presented you with nothing but bad news about any situation for 3 years, what would you believe. The facts remain
28 Klaus : I see you're diverting now. Good choice.
29 JpetekYXMD80 : Iraq is far from the only issue contributing to overall evaluation and perception. An important one, but not the only one....and they certainly canno
30 Gilligan : [ I can start digging up the quotes, some from your own leaders if you wish. Did I quote you? How do you know that post was intended for you? Name ano
31 Post contains images JpetekYXMD80 : Katrina was a huge one, which left a lasting impact on the minds of many Americans...refute as you may. The push for the marriage definition amendmen
32 Texdravid : That is the most correct thing said on this thread. One cannot deny Bush has made many mistakes and will make many more before 1/20/09, but to the le
33 Gilligan : There is so much blame to go around for Katrina from the Federal level right on down to the individual level that it is pointless to even go into the
34 JpetekYXMD80 : Then how come it couldn't get anywhere at all in congress? Should i look for The Unambiguously Gay Senators coming to NBC this fall? The support for
35 Klaus : There aren't any that supported the assumption you're operating under. A theoretical possibility was widely assumed, hence the UN inspections. And th
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