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Floyd Landis Has Fake Testosterone  
User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2049 times:

Figured it was ok to start a new thread since the older one was about the results of high levels versus these new charges.

http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2535787

Confirmed by RTE at http://www.rte.ie/sport/2006/0801/landis.html for our good buddy Yak42.

Hmm...too much testosterone because he has a nutsack the size of the Texas Panhandle? I think not. Synthetic testosterone in the blood is the culprit. The B sample doesn't even have to be tested now they say but it still may be.

If true then I say shame on you Phugly Phonak Phloyd. You are a cheat and a liar. May you never race again and be sent home to sulk about how everyone was out to get you and it isn't your fault. Since the riders traditionally let the guy in the lead after the 19th stage cruise to victory in the 20th stage you have made a mockery of the sport by leading us to believe you were the best out there. You denied us the chance to see the other riders actually try to win the race on the last day. You denied the second place guy who will most likely now become the winner the chance to bask in the glory of winning the Tour while riding through the streets of Paris. You a disgrace to your sport and athletes around the world.

In all fairness though if you are found to be clean then sorry about what I said above and "Screw the French!" though I'm sure I won't have to apologize to you.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2013 times:

I heard he has fake boobs too...


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13088 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 2001 times:

To me it will just confirm that the 'sport' of cycling is so tainted, that it cannot ever be clean, and therefore will die in interest. I suspect that is why we have less interest in many Olympic type sports as well. Athletes in almost all sports will do any thing now to win, the hell with if it will make a female grow a penis or a guy grow breasts or make any of them die before they are age 50 of some cancer or heart disease.

User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
Hmm...too much testosterone because he has a nutsack the size of the Texas Panhandle? I think not. Synthetic testosterone in the blood is the culprit. The B sample doesn't even have to be tested now they say but it still may be.

The results of the B test will be in on Saturday.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 3):
The results of the B test will be in on Saturday.

But it doesn't matter now. According to the cycling body's rules (as theye have been expalined to me) the test showing the presence of synthetic testosterone trumps the B test that could clear up whether his levels were too high or naturally occuring.



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User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 1973 times:

Acccording to the AP if the B test is negitive he keeps his title.

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 1963 times:

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 5):
Acccording to the AP if the B test is negitive he keeps his title.

Interesting. But then I believe the other test might allow it to be stripped from him and most definitely given a ban from competition.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineRoger136913 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day ago) and read 1954 times:

The rules say that it is a violation, but if you can show that the athlete had no fault or no significant fault, there could be a mitigation of the sanction," Wadler told the Times. "No matter how it got there, the athlete has to show how it got into his or her body. It could have been sabotage or contaminated dietary supplements, or something else, but they have to prove how the testosterone got there.

I think he will lose the title myself.


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 1941 times:



...now that's all natural ....



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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Even if he is stripped a Spainard will get the title so the French don't have anything to crow about.

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

The French public couldn't care less if it is a Spanish,American ,Italian or German athlete who wins- as long as he's clean-it's all that counts.
TV and media are very neutral and applaud performance regardless of nationality.The idea that the french public is anti-whatsoever is wrong.
The crowd applauded Floyd Landis on the Champs Elysées as if it would be a French cyclist.
Some French might be very coco-rico ,but the overall majority just appreciates good sportsmanship..



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User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 10):
The idea that the french public is anti-whatsoever is wrong.

After the seven year conquest to find anything, anything, even if it had to be semi-fabricated, on Lance Armstrong, that is a disingenuous statement at best.


User currently offlineFrequentflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 736 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 11):
After the seven year conquest to find anything, anything, even if it had to be semi-fabricated, on Lance Armstrong, that is a disingenuous statement at best.

Take a pill.

Throughout those 7 years Lance was cheered my the French public in each race.



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User currently offlineWellHung From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 21 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Take this douchebag and Bodie Miller and ship them both off to Gitmo. Both have disgraced their country.

User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

It's still all traceable to the NYT and their unnamed source. In view of the problems that the NYT has had in the past with unnamed sources and an over imaginative reporting crew, that report's in the round file. It and two bits might buy a cup of coffee.

Was this the first time unnamed sources at the french anti doping agency had smeared the reputation of a cyclist? Of course not.

And you know something else? I just don't care. I see it as no different than the time honored tradition of cheatin' in NASCAR. A lot of people have done it, the greatest of the crew chiefs were masters of the art, when the ruse was discovered they'd get their peters spanked, pay a fine and move on. Get over it.

That bottle of testosterone, if one exists, did not get Floyd Landis across the line after 2000 plus miles of cycling-Floyd Landis did.

You know that it amazes me....self proclaimed jocks with messy personal lives who hang around so called sports bars are willing to crucify this or that person, waive aside sexual abuse and robberies on the part of this or that basketball players and footballer players who've done atrocious things....well, fuck them all, jointly and severally.

They're idiots who couldn't run across the street to get another beer, for heaven's sake. Piss on them-they're not worthy to carry Floyd's jockstrap.


User currently offlineCOEXpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

They all do something.. Just like all football players do, just like all baseball players do, just like all hockey players do.. Pro sports players, that is..

User currently offlineCOEXpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

They all do something.. Just like all football players do, just like all baseball players do, just like all hockey players do.. Pro sports players, that is..

User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3853 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

"...Has Fake Testosterone."

Does that make him a woman?


...now that's all natural ....

Glad to know Mr. Squirrel is back! BTW, where's Sophiemaltese?



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
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Quoting COEXpilot (Reply 16):
They all do something..

Not true.




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User currently offlineCOEXpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 18):
Quoting COEXpilot (Reply 16):They all do something..
Not true.




2H4

Ohhh shit.. Come on.. Who doesn't? The kickers in the NFL? Alright, you got me there..


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 1768 times:
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Quoting COEXpilot (Reply 19):
Ohhh shit.. Come on.. Who doesn't?

It's pretty careless to make a blanket statement like that about thousands of people around the world. Even if 75% of them were proven beyond a doubt to be dopers, that doesn't automatically make the remaining 25% guilty. It's very ignorant to make such a generalization.




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User currently offlineCOEXpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 20):
It's pretty careless to make a blanket statement like that about thousands of people around the world. Even if 75% of them were proven beyond a doubt to be dopers, that doesn't automatically make the remaining 25% guilty. It's very ignorant to make such a generalization.

I suppose you are right... I kinda meant "a lot" of players do.. whatever, it's pointless to argue about this.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 1745 times:
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Quoting COEXpilot (Reply 21):
it's pointless to argue about this

I'm just making the point that, in addition to nailing the cheaters, we need to be encouraging clean competitors.

It won't be easy to flush out the dopers, but I think we're on the right track. I also think cycling in particular deserves at least some credit for finally coming down so hard on the cheaters. It would be nice if other sports followed suit.

Clean competition is possible....I think it would be a mistake to give up on the sport(s) entirely.




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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13088 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

I think what needs to happen is to criminally prosecute those athletes who are found to have used performance enhancing drugs, as well as their doctors, trainers or others around them that supply them. Maybe some jail time for the dopers and their 'friends' whom have broken the laws as to drugs, committed fraud, causing long term health risks and so on will make a bold lesson.

User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Quoting 2H4 (Reply 22):
I'm just making the point that, in addition to nailing the cheaters, we need to be encouraging clean competitors.

It won't be easy to flush out the dopers, but I think we're on the right track. I also think cycling in particular deserves at least some credit for finally coming down so hard on the cheaters. It would be nice if other sports followed suit.

Clean competition is possible....I think it would be a mistake to give up on the sport(s) entirely.

One phrase that's being tossed around is "chemical McCarthyism". There's an interesting piece in the WSJ online today which suggests that rather than being accurate, the error rate on the tests in question is substantial.



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Cycling union doctor Mario Zorzoli told me by telephone that Mr. Landis's test was the only positive one on the tour, out of six to eight tests for each stage, and at least five other tests for Mr. Landis on the days he was the overall race leader. That suggests that only once during the race, out of at least six tests, was Mr. Landis's T/E ratio 4/1 or higher.

Fair use excerpt about the CIR test:

A new wrinkle: The New York Times, citing an unnamed person at the cycling union, reported Monday night that a follow-up test confirmed Mr. Landis's urine contained some testosterone not produced naturally by his system. This result would have been determined by analyzing the atomic makeup of the testosterone molecule, via a technique called mass spectrometry. (Read more about this on Wikipedia.)

Such an analysis is based on the phenomenon that atoms of a given element, such as carbon, can have differing weights, depending on which subatomic particles make them up. The Isotope Ratio Mass Spectrometry reportedly used on Mr. Landis's urine would measure the ratio of Carbon-13 to Carbon-12 in his testosterone, and compare that to the ratio in his cholesterol. Natural testosterone in the body is derived from cholesterol, and so it should have the same ratio of C-13/C-12, but synthetic testosterone would have a different profile.

Dr. Thevis, from the Cologne sports lab, told me this method is reliable: "There have been a lot of studies showing that differentiation is absolutely reliable and reproducible." Dr. Zorzoli declined to confirm the Times report, but, speaking generally, said, "If the case is on the evidence of exogenous testosterone, alcohol intake doesn't create exogeneous testosterone in body."

But a more-cautious note was sounded by Dr. Davis, who is now the technical director for Mass Spec Solutions Ltd., a Wythenshawe, U.K., maker of mass-spectrometry devices. "Quite regularly there are errors in the isotope tests," he said. "It's a very difficult analytical technique."

In response to the report, Dr. Kay told the Times the test may have been inaccurate, adding that a wide range of factors, including alcohol consumption, may have been responsible for the test result.




http://online.wsj.com/public/article...20060831.html?mod=tff_main_tff_top


25 Bobster2 : I agree with most of the WSJ article, but I don't know how they found an "expert" to say there is a problem with the isotope ratio test. That test is
26 Post contains links DeltaGator : So long cheater! You are a disgrace to America and a worthless piece of crap for your win at all costs attitude. http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling
27 Post contains images VonRichtofen : Why do you have 'sport' in quotations? Are you saying cycling is hardly a sport? Cycling requires more physical stamina than the most popular 'sports
28 Dougloid : You know, I've spent a lot of time thinking this problem over in the last few days. There are very few ways this whole story makes sense, because we p
29 Post contains images Greasespot : Ummm actually testosterone will help with recovery...He bonked the day before and need help with recovery..... He saw the tour slipping away and got
30 FriendlySkies : It is too a sport...a Non-Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks. :P
31 Bobster2 : Nobody knew in advance that he would get a drug test that day. Why would the alleged conspirators happen to pick that day to spike him with the drug?
32 2H4 : Every report I've read says he had one (1) beer, and a small amount of whiskey. He was not drunk. I've been following this story pretty closely, and
33 Post contains links Bobster2 : My reports say two (2) beers and at least four (4) whiskeys. Here's one report: http://service.spiegel.de/cache/inte...onal/spiegel/0,1518,429321,00.
34 Post contains links 2H4 : Interesting. We've got conflicting quotes from the man himself: 2H4's Article Nevertheless, I will still refrain from labeling him guilty or innocent
35 Dougloid : I didn't say anytrhing of the sort. What I said was that it is a possible theory that is not easily explained by pillorying the guy. In my line of wo
36 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Notice the similarity? Mark
37 DeltaGator : Phloyd has gotten nothing on Milton. Phloyd is just plain fugly with a capital F.
38 Dougloid : Who knows? I'm not willing to sit in judgment without all the facts at my disposal. At this remove it just doesn't add up. I think we need some pro a
39 Greasespot : Just illustrating the hypocracy that when it comes to sports, a conspiracy theory is ok.....but when it is related to 9-11 it is taboo... yeah the di
40 Post contains images Bobster2 : If we assume Landis told the 100% truth, then he's essentially endorsing the consumption of alcohol the night before a major sports competition. That
41 Boeing7E7 : It doesn't work that way. This is enough to generate synthetic testosterone levels. When you have a bad day, do you have a drink? If not, there are p
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