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F1: Hungarian Grand Prix  
User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2911 times:

Here we go again!
Is Renault screwed? They have their dampers back.
Will Ferrari continue their 2nd 1/2 dominance?
Honda, are they for real?
New face on the grid: Kubria, in for an injured JV, will he haul ass for BMW?

Silly season is still in full swing:
Any word on Kimi's '07 ride?
Rosberg says he's happy at Williams, but what about Webber?
Is Klien leaving Red Bull?
Does it all really depend on what Schumie does? Webber says quit while you're ahead.
Next Yrs Sch, who's on it? 1 or 2 races in Germany? Where's the US? What about Spa?
JPM is whining about how he didn't get any good options from F1. Can the good 'old boys shut him up next yr?

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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2906 times:

What I'd like to see:

1. The race between Schumi and Alonso remain close and thus, exciting.

2. Ditto the constructor's race between Renault and Ferrari.

3. Scott Speed score a point or two. I think he is due.

Maybe if he has some success, and I do think he is a pretty good driver, he can entice Danica Patrick into F1. It has long been my belief that the 'liberal' Europeans are truly closet male chauvinist, misogynists who would do NASCAR proud.



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 1):
Scott Speed score a point or two.

His crash at the start of the German qualifying was abit silly  Smile He should have laid off the gas pedal, other than that, he has shown skill in the past  Silly

Would be nice to see Webber go to Renault where he could be in for a chance for a race victory.

Michelin are pulling out of Formula One next year thus leaving Bridgestone as the sole tyre supplier. My question is...would it not have been a good idea for most teams to choose bridgestone this year so that next year, they could have used this year to gather bridgestone tyre data, leaving them fully prepared for next year.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 2):
Michelin are pulling out of Formula One next year thus leaving Bridgestone as the sole tyre supplier. My question is...would it not have been a good idea for most teams to choose bridgestone this year so that next year, they could have used this year to gather bridgestone tyre data, leaving them fully prepared for next year.

I would think so but on the other hand it sounds like the tires used last week won't have much in common with those to be used next week other than the basic round shape. By next year Bridgestone chemists might have tires made from a single molecule of some exotic proprietary compound.



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2896 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 3):
By next year Bridgestone chemists might have tires made from a single molecule of some exotic proprietary compound.

Does that mean that pretty much all the data collected this year by the Bridgestone teams will have to be scraped?



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 2):
My question is...would it not have been a good idea for most teams to choose bridgestone this year so that next year, they could have used this year to gather bridgestone tyre data, leaving them fully prepared for next year.

Why do you think Toyota and Williams switched this year?  yes 

Quoting Nosedive (Thread starter):
Kubria

Robert Kubica, who will become the first Polish driver to start an F1 race.

Quoting Nosedive (Thread starter):
1 or 2 races in Germany?

1

Quoting Nosedive (Thread starter):
Where's the US?

They'll get something done.

Quoting Nosedive (Thread starter):
What about Spa?

Bernie's basically hung his rocks out saying they're going back to Spa, so I'd say it's a good bet.



I'll rassle ya for a bowl of bacon!
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2882 times:

My guess is yes, tires change so much year to year (even week to week) when there is a "war" of the sort we are seeing now that any prior setup/chassis data collected is essentially useless, other than providing a ballpark range for the performance envelope of the car... I haven't checked out the new rules for next year, is F1 going to mandate one set of tires per race distance again, or will it just be a control tire that is changed at all pitstops like they are now? I actually think that ChampCar's idea is cool, where Bridgestone provides blue and red sidewall tires, and the red tires are a softer compound that typically allows a car to lap .5 seconds a lap faster compared to the harder blues, and every car gets one set of reds per race... granted, it is a bit contrived, but if there is only one tire provider, why not add that element of strategy about when to go for the softer tires and allow for more passing?

User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

German GP was humiliating for Renault and there is very little time for some drastic changes, so I guess situation in Hungary would be the same.


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2869 times:

Michelin need to sort out their blistering issue. The tyre being used in this race would have been tested a few weeks ago as they would already have been cast. Wether our not the spec is different I don't know.

Renault have their dampers back as the FIA are still investigating and have assured Renault that there won't be any retrospective penalties

As for the silly seaon. Webber has been linked with McLaren and Renault now that Frank has let his option lapse. I don't think the whole situation regarding driver placements is incumbet upon Schumachers decision. The apparent Ferrari pre-agreement has apparently lapsed and this would leave Renault free to sign up Kimi or Webber. Kimi would clearly be the better choice but offering Webber to McLaren might suit their needs as someone who can support Alonso whilst not throwing their younger drivers in the deepend.

The dates for Melbourne, Malayasia and Bahrain all appear to be set in stone, with the season kicking off on March 18 in Melbourne. Malaysia will follow two weeks later on April 7 and Bahrain a week later on April 15. The dates for the US GP could be rejigged but I would imagine that you will still see back to back races with Canada as this makes sense


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

It looks like Raikkonen IS going to Ferrari.

Schumi-Kimi match-up moves closer
Michael Schumacher and Kimi Raikkonen will race head-to-head as Ferrari team-mates next year, according to a report in this week’s Autocar.

The Maranello squad’s line-up has been the biggest talking point of the ‘silly season’ and is the key to the 2007 driver market.

A Schumacher-Raikkonen match-up has been mooted for months, but is contingent both on Schumacher choosing to prolong his Formula 1 career and Raikkonen moving from McLaren to Ferrari.

Both of these scenarios now look increasingly likely.

The word in the Hockenheim paddock last weekend was that Renault’s overtures to Raikkonen have failed and the Finn will head to the Scuderia after all.

Raikkonen’s Ferrari deal has been in the offing for a long time, with persistent rumours – denied by his management – that he has already signed a pre-contract agreement with the team.

And although Renault has made a concerted bid for his services in recent weeks, the French manufacturer’s competitive eclipse by Ferrari is likely to have steadied any ‘wobble’ Kimi had over his decision.

Meanwhile Schumacher is revelling in Ferrari’s resurgence.

The 37-year-old showed every sign of being a man at the top of his game as he romped to his third successive win at Hockenheim and made further inroads into Fernando Alonso’s championship lead.

Ferrari’s technical director and Schumacher confidant Ross Brawn told ITV Sport last weekend that Schumacher is more motivated than ever as his quest to reclaim the title from Alonso gathers momentum – an observation echoed by the German’s manager Willi Weber.

There is therefore now a strong expectation that Schumacher will defer his retirement and re-sign with Ferrari for another year.

The team has scheduled the long-awaited announcement of its 2007 driver pairing for its home grand prix at Monza next month.

Autocar claims that Ferrari will confirm a Schumacher-Raikkonen ‘superteam’ – and that both drivers will have equal status within the team and be free to compete with each other on equal terms.

This would be a departure from Ferrari’s favoured policy over the last decade – during which time the team has been moulded around Schumacher – of having a clear lead driver and number two.

Raikkonen will almost certainly have sought assurances from the team on this score, but maintains that being team-mate to Schumacher per se holds no fear for him.

"I will announce my decision when the time is right, and Michael's decision has no influence on my future," he reiterated in a recent interview with the official F1 website.

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36888

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Thats shite that is!

Adam


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 9):
It looks like Raikkonen IS going to Ferrari.



Quoting BA757 (Reply 9):
Thats shite that is!

Actually its potentially excellent in my opinion.

Putting aside favourite drivers or teams and trying to be neutral about it, if Kimi joins Ferrari and Schuey stays then it could be fascinating to watch.

Kimi is undeniably quick, and lets be honest is another step up from Michael's previous team mates at Ferrari. Plus I can't believe for a minute that Kimi is going there as a No.2. If he is given equal opportunity in the team then it could be fantastic to watch.

Should Michael get the better of him then it would remove the one remaining nagging doubt as to his greatness that many have often said - he's never had a truly competitive team mate alongside him - and they don't get much quicker than Kimi.

Plus Kimi doesn't strike me as the uncomplaining No.2 that Barichello and Irvine were and Massa is. Given that there could be a great rivalry on the cards. Should Kimi beat Michael easily then retirement will undoubtedly follow, but if Michael gets the better of Kimi then some people really will have to reassess him - particularly to be able to do so at such a late stage in his career.

Of course if Kimi does go to Ferrari then Renault is the big loser. One of the reasons they've been pushing to hire Kimi is they ould end up with a potentially championship winning car without a championship winning driver sitting in it next season. One assumes they'll move Kovalienen up next to Fisichella, rather than place him with Red Bull as has been suggested. Its that or Webber moving across from Williams, but i don't really see what extra Webber possesses over Fisi.



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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 9):
Autocar claims that Ferrari will confirm a Schumacher-Raikkonen 'superteam' -- and that both drivers will have equal status within the team and be free to compete with each other on equal terms.

I will believe it when I see Kimi NOT pulling off to the side to let Schumacher past next year.

This would be a departure from Ferrari's favoured policy over the last decade -- during which time the team has been moulded around Schumacher -- of having a clear lead driver and number two.

Is it any wonder he's such a good driver. He always has top priority in Ferrari. The second man rarely gets a look in! Is it any wonder Barichello was so happy to leave.

What is to become of Massa then if Schumacher and Kimi are the new Ferrari line up. Could Renault consider taking Massa or will Ferrari offer Massi a test driving job?



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 10):

I agree with you.

Provided that Ferrari do let Kimi race Michael - and as many say, Kimi will not be a number two to anybody - then we have the potential for some fantastic racing. I am no Ferrari fan by a long way, but this could be amazing (as you say) to watch.

However when I put my rose tinted specs back on, I'd much rather Kimi have stopped at Mclaren, or at least gone to Renualt.

But who is to say Michael will continue - the other day there was reports that Willi Webber told Michael to win the championship this year and retire. Many people believe that Ferrari will win the championship again this year -- so will Michael take his managers advice and retire if he does win the championship?

Adam


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 11):
What is to become of Massa then if Schumacher and Kimi are the new Ferrari line up. Could Renault consider taking Massa or will Ferrari offer Massi a test driving job?

I would imagine a test drive again, keeping him for when Michael does retire. If Michael does continue next year, surely it won't be for many more seasons.

Would Massa wait though, thats the question I ask? Would he want to play number two to Raikkonen?

If you ask me, Massa would be better looking for a drive elsewhere.

Adam


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

Wurz replaces Webber in 2007 Williams line-up
Alex Wurz will partner Nico Rosberg in the 2007 Williams race line-up after the team sensationally announced on Wednesday that it will not be continuing its relationship with Mark Webber beyond the end of this season.

Wurz will step up from his current role as the team’s test and reserve driver, which he has held since joining the Grove-based squad from McLaren at the end of last year.

Webber’s future is unclear – but with Michael Schumacher and Kimi Raikkonen now seemingly set to team up at Ferrari, Fernando Alonso’s vacated Renault seat is wide open for the Flavio Briatore-managed Australian to secure.

Explaining Wurz’s promotion, team owner Frank Williams said: “Alex brings us important technical continuity and understanding of the car and as well as being an excellent communicator with our engineers, he is ultra-competitive during the Friday ‘full tank’ practice sessions.

“Alex will be a great racing driver for us as he is one of the few men I have seen in a wheel-banging confrontation with Michael Schumacher and come out on top!”

Williams also confirmed that Rosberg will be kept on for 2007 after a sporadically impressive rookie campaign convinced the team of the 21-year-old German’s potential.

“Retaining Nico for next year was not a tough decision,” Williams said.

“He has shown great promise so far in his debut season and I know he will build on this with every race.”

The team made it clear that Webber will definitely see out the season, ruling out a repeat of the Montoya/McLaren scenario whereby the Colombian was replaced by Pedro de la Rosa two days after his shock announcement that he would be switching to NASCAR.

Frank Williams paid tribute to Webber for his stalwart efforts since joining the team in 2005.

“As much as taking great pleasure in confirming Alex and Nico for next season,
I must also commend Mark Webber for his contribution to the team over the past two seasons, as he has been a credit to himself and Williams and has never let up in his pursuit of competitive success,” Williams said.

“I know Mark will give his all until the end of the season and we wish him well in his future arrangements.”

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36893

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So bets on he ends up at Renault?

Adam


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Williams is having Wurz and Rosberg for next season.
Read it

JV may not return, hints Kubica's (thanx for the correction, Duff) manager.
Seeing is "believing"

As for the Kimi-Schumie-Massa ordeal, rumors still have Massa at Redbull.
Last sentence

The Kimi deal, if as rumored, may shine some light as to where Webber goes. Renault was looking for Kimi, but that doesn't appear to be working out, but the quiet departure from Williams makes Webber the free agent he wants to be, and Flav is his manager.   

As for the Kimi deal itself, and Kimi would have to race MS for it to work, I'm not a fan of it. Sure, Kimi v Schumie at Ferrari may be exciting to watch, but nothing like Senna v. Prost. They don't hate one another enough. Alonso v Kimi at McLaren might have been just as exciting. Hell, if Kimi went to Renault, a 3 way battle for both the driver's and const's may be just as exciting! Regardless, none of these things will be super awesome if the cars don't pass! or if no one gets punted into the grass... whichever   

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 6):
ChampCar's idea is cool, where Bridgestone provides blue and red sidewall tires, and the red tires are a softer compound that typically allows a car to lap .5 seconds a lap faster compared to the harder blues, and every car gets one set of reds per race... granted, it is a bit contrived, but if there is only one tire provider, why not add that element of strategy about when to go for the softer tires and allow for more passing?

Interesting, but I'd rather F1 have something like a "push to pass" thing goin on. The reason the F1 gods want 1 tire manufacturer is to slow the cars down, and the mixed sets may be too controversial to achieve that goal. Passing does need to be addressed, yes.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 5):
Quoting Nosedive (Thread starter):Where's the US?
They'll get something done.


Vegas (downtown, not the oval) is a CART track No F1 here

EDIT: Looks like a bunch my points were made I was making my post. Last time I make breakfast while posting  Wink

[Edited 2006-08-02 19:03:07]

User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

I had a F1 SMS alert to my phone that says:

Quote:

Ross Brawn to step down from his post next season to take a year out of F1 after ten seasons with the team

So is the Ferrari team starting to crumble, if Brawn is leaving for a year, is Michael retiring? Would Michael continue without Brawn?

Personally I think Brawn will convert this sabbatical into permanent retirement, especially if Michael goes. Todt will be next...

Adam


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 10):
Kimi is undeniably quick, and lets be honest is another step up from Michael's previous team mates at Ferrari. Plus I can't believe for a minute that Kimi is going there as a No.2. If he is given equal opportunity in the team then it could be fantastic to watch.

It could simply be sucession planning. Getting kimi into the team to understand how it works and showing him what he'll be getting when MS retires and he becomes the #1.

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 15):
The Kimi deal, if as rumored, may shine some light as to where Webber goes. Renault was looking for Kimi, but that doesn't appear to be working out, but the quiet departure from Williams makes Webber the free agent he wants to be, and Flav is his manager.

McLaren has also been mentioned. This would be more likley if Kimi goes to Renault. Should Kimi go to Ferrari Webber at Renault is more likley.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
It could simply be sucession planning. Getting kimi into the team to understand how it works and showing him what he'll be getting when MS retires and he becomes the #1.

But if he could be an instant #1 at Renault or a shared #1 at McLaren...

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
Quoting Nosedive (Reply 15):The Kimi deal, if as rumored, may shine some light as to where Webber goes. Renault was looking for Kimi, but that doesn't appear to be working out, but the quiet departure from Williams makes Webber the free agent he wants to be, and Flav is his manager.
McLaren has also been mentioned. This would be more likley if Kimi goes to Renault. Should Kimi go to Ferrari Webber at Renault is more likley.

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Another piece of the never ending puzzle, where's Hamilton going?

Quoting BA757 (Reply 16):
Personally I think Brawn will convert this sabbatical into permanent retirement, especially if Michael goes. Todt will be next...

Brawn's probably out, but I still think Schumie has one more season in him.

In other F1 news, will Hill race at the GP Masters race at Silverstone? Mansell wants him to!


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2775 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 18):
Brawn's probably out, but I still think Schumie has one more season in him.



Quoting Nosedive (Reply 18):
Another piece of the never ending puzzle, where's Hamilton going?

Good Question. Midland are without an engine for next season so they could land cheap Mercedes engines if they take on Hamilton


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Hi everyone...

I can't wait till sunday. I hope SCHUMI will win this GP and in ISTANBUL GP he will be the leader of the championship.

As I've told before

Schumi is the best, f... off the rest !!!


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 20):
Schumi is the best, f... off the rest !!!

F.... off the rest  scratchchin 
My English is a but rusty, so what does it mean?  angel 



R-E-S-P-E-C-T
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 20):
Hi everyone...

I can't wait till sunday. I hope SCHUMI will win this GP and in ISTANBUL GP he will be the leader of the championship.

As I've told before

Schumi is the best, f... off the rest !!!

Silver Arrows kill Prancing Horses  wink 


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 19 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Bill142:

I also like McLaren Mercedes.
My wish for Hungarian GP result:

1) Michael Schumacher
2) Felipe Massa
3) Kimi Raikkonen
4) Jenson Button
5) Pedro de la Rosa
6) Rubens Barrichello
7) Jarno Trulli
8) Fernando "B"Alonso (This is only for you Adam Big grin, otherwise I don't want even 1 point for him )

I just want to say; despite Hungaroring is a very boring circuit I hope we will all watch an excited and great GP without any accidents.
Good luck for all the teams and drivers....


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

And the weather: Something you'd expect in London

The damper case will be heard on Aug 22 But Alonso "doesnt't" notice them at times.

Weber says Shumie's decision to quit is 50-50 Let's hope he chooses the correct 50!

Alonso says Renault to struggle this weekend and at the next 2 races. Doesn't Schumie hate Suzuka?


25 Bill142 : Whats the bet that Ferrari are testing between Hungary and Turkey?
26 Post contains links Nosedive : Other racing news: Da Matta his a Deer at Road America Airlifted to Hospital
27 Bill142 : Ouch! thats bad news. Hopefully Da Matta is ok.
28 Post contains links and images Duff44 : Cristiano had to be operated on for a subdural hematoma.... http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=5&id=2538734 I'm hoping this isn't at al
29 Bill142 : Technically yes. Last year during, what I though, was a testing ban, they tested for days upon days. However this year I do believe that the testing
30 Post contains links Nosedive : I started a new thread about it http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1323792/
31 Post contains links Bill142 : Renault have removed the dampers again! http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/head...nes/news/detail/060804101629.shtml
32 BA757 : I have just had another SMS F1 alert, and it says Alonso has been given a qualifying 2 second penalty for driving offences in practice. Adam
33 Post contains links BA757 : Full Story Alonso penalised by Hungarian stewards Fernando Alonso's world championship challenge has been dealt a crushing blow after he was given a
34 Waterpolodan : Ouch for Alonso! That is a common move, but it must have been very blatant and dangerous to warrant a 1 sec penalty. Now, it is time for all this site
35 Emrecan : A bit off the topic but what do you think if next year Alonso and Kimi both in McLaran Mercedes? Who will be more successful? I vote for Kimi. Alonso
36 Post contains images AirbusA346 : Alonso is getting frustrated. Tom.
37 Post contains images Rammstein : No, I'm not. Signed, Alonso
38 Post contains images AirbusA346 : :D Tom.
39 Post contains images Racko : Schumacher just got a 2 sec penalty for the qualifying AS WELL! Great, we now know a dumbass will win the championship this year !
40 Post contains images Rammstein : Damn. Signed, Michael.
41 Emrecan : Great qualifying for Kimi. Schumi and Balonso are really stupids !!!
42 Waterpolodan : Did anyone see the incident that got schumacher the penalty? Reading his comments, it seems he hints that Alonso had it planed to get him to pass unde
43 Post contains images Duff44 : They should both start at the back for being just plain stupid.... How about Massa from Barrichello and Button for a prediction... Kimi blows up, Schu
44 Legoguy : Damn I cant believe I missed the qualifying session! It sounds like it was brilliant. Come on the Honda's, Renaults and McLarens! I havn't seen the in
45 BA757 : I haven't seen it. Anyway, Schumacher pulls all kinds of shit stunts to maximise his advantage at the expense of other drivers... Monaco for example.
46 Post contains images CptGermany : In my opinion it was a rather average qualifying except for the fact that both Schumacher and Alonso were penalized. IMHO, both Alonso and Schumacher
47 Bill142 : Personally, I think, if Flavio hadn't had a little outburst about the FIA trying to tinker with the championship, MS' little incident would have gone
48 Post contains links BA757 : Its raining, fantastic stuff! -- The Hungarian Grand Prix may start under the Safety Car after torrential downpours throughout Sunday morning mean we
49 Bill142 : Wow.. I've got live timing going (no pictures in this part of the world for probably another 40 - 60 minutes) and on lap 9 what a start by Alonso upto
50 BA757 : This is amazing stuff! Very entertaining race so far. It looks like we are about to have a downpour again. Adam
51 BA757 : Raikkonen in huge accident with Liuzzi! NO! Adam
52 BA757 : This looks like Buttons race! Who would have guessed?
53 Duff44 : ALONSO IS OUT!!! R/R wheel nuts fell off after he put on slicks!
54 BA757 : It was driveshaft failure Adam
55 Duff44 : From SpeedChannel's replay it looked like a wheel nut (or something about that size) falling off and the announcers seemed to indicate that Nothing s
56 Post contains images BA757 : ITV interviewed Alonso, he said it was driveshaft Adam
57 BA757 : Michael is OUT Adam
58 Post contains images Duff44 : SCHUMACHER OUT WITH 3 LAPS LEFT!!! Mechanical
59 BA757 : Well done Jenson Button!!
60 Duff44 : 1) Button 2) de la Rosa 3) Heidfeld 4) Barrichello 5) Coulthard 6) R Schumacher 7) Kubica 8) Massa That was just bizarre...
61 BA757 : Indeed it was, but probably the best grand prix in YEARS! Absolutely amazing stuff. Well done de la Rosa as well! Adam
62 Post contains images AirbusA346 : HAHAHA That was a boring end. Tom.
63 Post contains images Emrecan : It was a great GP.. Cangs. to Jenson and de la Rosa... Now it is our time LET`S MEET WHERE THE CONTINENTS MEET on 27th of August. I am sure it will be
64 Post contains images Daleaholic : Really happy for Jenson Button, he has been working for this for years!!!
65 Post contains images Legoguy : YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!! Welldone to Button and Honda... And to think all you guys thought Honda wasn't capable of winning this year! hehehe YES! Im chuffed
66 Waterpolodan : Too bad not every GP can be run in the wet! What a fantastic race, non stop passing on every lap throughout the field, and a podium made up of new fac
67 BA757 : Without a doubt. Adam
68 T1210s : schuey would have been disqulified at the end anyway for having bold tires
69 BA757 : He would have almost certainly been in trouble for not letting de la Rosa past after he cut the chicane and gained from it. Adam
70 Legoguy : Is that possible? Maybe a penalty or two for cutting a corner for an advantage to stop Pedro passing.
71 Waterpolodan : I don't believe that there is a particular rule regarding necessary tread remaining on wet tires at the end of the race, and the issue with de la Rosa
72 Legoguy : It can take a while for those to show up, but usually when it shows up, there is immediately a penalty soon after
73 T1210s : i dont think that pedro did actually pass schuey when he cut the corner and giving him a penalty for gaing an advantage would have been a bit harsh pe
74 Post contains images EZEIZA : What a race! Congrats to Button, but also to Alonso and Schumi, despite the final outcome. It's almost incredible to believe that all three started fr
75 BA757 : Robert Kubica also drove an amazingly good first race. He has never driven a F1 car in the wet before, and with the difficult driving conditions, you
76 BA757 : Last season was better, bar this race. He broke his stearing I believe. Adam
77 Legoguy : I think that he cut it to his advantage to help him stay ahead of Pedro warrents a penalty. Not sure though!
78 Post contains images BA757 : Your very much right. Adam
79 T1210s : i thought they had to pass otherwise if you are already in front its not really an advantage you havent gained anything
80 Post contains images Duff44 : The rule doesn't apply to wets (if it even applies to 'drys'). And once the race is declared 'wet', it stays that way, so you can leave them on and r
81 Legoguy : I never really saw what happen the second time, but the first time would inherit a penalty, the second time, possibly a black flag had he not been da
82 Post contains images EZEIZA : Dunno, I see this one as the best because this time you have the two best fighting it off hand to hand in almost identical car performance, which is
83 Post contains images Legoguy : I think that since he didn't finish means he doesn't recieve any penalty. Yes it was nice to see the action between him and Pedro especially near the
84 Photopilot : That was a GREAT race. It was finally good to see Button get his first win and now that monkey is off his back, watch for him to win more. What a boos
85 Post contains links Duff44 : Regarding tyre wear, from the F1 Sporting Regulations, Section 78: "78) Wear of tyres : The Championship will be contested on grooved tyres. The FIA r
86 T1210s : cheers for clearing that up i just thought that because his tires were practically slicks they would have been illegal
87 Post contains links and images BA757 : Just for kicks, full race report. Victory at last! Jenson storms thru the rain After what seems like a lifetime, British hero Jenson Button finally br
88 Post contains images Scbriml : Just a bit more rain and this race would have been finished by the "2 hour rule!" Congrats to Button. Hope his detractors don't choke on it!
89 BA757 : I'm not a Button fan by a long shot, and I do feel that he is somewhat overrated BUT you cannot take away this from him. An outstanding first win, on
90 Post contains images EZEIZA : And Schumi would have finished 2nd and we would have only 2 pts difference
91 Egmcman : Well done Jenson, Pedro and Nick what a great race. He is managed Jean Todt's (the Ferrari Team Principle) son so I doubt it. They or whoever takes ov
92 Post contains images Mika : Big congratulations to Jenson Button and all the british F1 fans, this was a victory very well deserved! As much as i would have wanted to see Kimi up
93 Post contains images Scbriml : But, as Murray Walker was very fond of telling us, IF is F1 backwards! Aaaannnnnd theeeeerrrrreeeee goes Jensen Button!
94 BA757 : No - Ferrari aren't happy about this and have been implying that RBR are going to be using Ferrari engines, and that they cannot offload them to STR.
95 Emrecan : Last news: Kubika disqualified and Schumi became 8th and got 1 point. Now the difference is 10 points.. I can`t wait the next GP in Istanbul
96 AirbusA346 : Why? Tom.
97 Post contains links BA757 : 2KG too light! This is a shame! http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=36972 Adam
98 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Wow, what a race!!! Some very interesting and intense moments. Pitty that Kimi was knocked out early. Congrats to Button! Good to see BMW Sauber have
99 T1210s : from crash.net The Pole had claimed a surprise two points on his debut with the team but officials disqualified him on the grounds of his car being 2k
100 BA757 : I feel really sorry for Kubica, he did so well to earn these two points, then he is disqualified for something that he couldn't help. 2kg is nothing
101 Bill142 : Congrats to Jenson on his firsr GP win. I didn't expect to see that when I woke up this morning. A shame for Kimi to crash into Liuzzi it was looking
102 Post contains images Emrecan : BA757: Rules are rule.... So if Kubika was disqualified, there is a reason. This time Schumi was lucky baloon
103 Nosedive : JESUS H. CHRIST! Just saw the race, gotta love the last day of work, and congrats to Button on your 1st (and probably last) win! WTF was Speed thinkin
104 Post contains links BA757 : And he is gone... Villeneuve leaves BMW by mutual consent Jacques Villeneuve will not return to his BMW race seat, after the team announced on Monday
105 Bill142 : I wonder if he will find a seat for next season. With all these spots at big teams open, who knows?
106 BA757 : Doesn't he also want to go to Nascar if rumours are to be believed? Adam
107 Cornish : I'm certain we've seen the last of JV in an F1 car. Ron Dennis has never been a fan. His two race stint at Renault when Trulli got sacked was not a b
108 Post contains links Cornish : And now its Webber for Red Bull in 2007. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5253794.stm Means it looks more likely it's Kovalinen
109 Egmcman : RBR hasn't been happy with reliability of the Ferrari engines. I don't know if there's a clause in the contract between Ferrari and RBR. That thaught
110 Post contains images Legoguy : They mentioned this yesterday although it was not confirmed. How will the new RBR car be next year? Will it be a contender for the championship as it
111 Waterpolodan : I doubt Ferrari are giving Red Bull sub-par equipment, it is probably just a case of the engine not being optimized for the chassis and as integrated
112 Post contains images BA757 : Look above buddy, he HAS signed for RBR As has already been suggested, it won't be subpar equipment, it will just be the Ferrari car is built 100% cu
113 Bill142 : I'd agree that JV pretty much won't race in F1 again. It's a shame he decided to throw away his career by going to BAR. Webber going to RBR is good ne
114 Post contains links and images Nosedive : Well an informal poll at the Brickyard 400 didn't go over well for JV NASCRAP Scoffs at JV So that means he signed with someone
115 BA757 : I believe he will have. There was fairly big rumors about this when JPM announced he was off to Nascar. Adam
116 Cornish : I agree. Much depends on the engine though. If they manage to get the Renault for next year it will be a big plus. If they stick with the Ferrari it
117 Post contains links and images Nosedive : Klein may be left out all together: No seat? Spot on. I doubt the seats at McLaren, Renault, and Ferrari will be firmed up until after Monza. May the
118 Cornish : Oh don't get me started on Toyota. Such an intelligent car company - they've been successful in every other form of motorsport they've competed in, y
119 Bill142 : I think the board back in Japan likes to keep a tight leash on the F1 operations, which is probably part of the problem. You also have to look at the
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