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Has The US Now Made An Eternal Enemy In The Arabs?  
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4307 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Unfortunately, I think it is getting to that point now. I read a very good editorial in a local paper, the professor that wrote it knows the Middle East quite well. He mentioned that in until now, even though the the US has been fairly or unfairly been the scapegoat of fundamental problems in muslim society, there was a secret 'yearning' from arabs and other muslims for their countries to be more like the US, at least in the economic sense and for some in social areas too. They liked US culture.

Now, after he returned to Argentina from a trip in Morocco, Egypt, Oman and Pakistan, he wrote he has never seen as much outright contempt and hatred for one country as there is in the Arab world for the United States now. They no longer want to watch US movies, they want to ban them. They no longer want to wear US clothes, they stone people that wear them. They no longer want to eat US fast food, they close the restaurants. The muslim world is no longer being hypocrites by saying they don't like the US but still admire their ways, now it's the former but the latter is gone.

The protests all over the Arab World against the US are rising rapidly. worldwide media is now picking up on this. The way things are going, he predicts, legions of arab young men will be lining up to bomb US cities.

Two generations of muslims from Morocco to Indonesia are being radicalized to hate the US and to another extent jews. He says that while removing Saddam Hussein might have been a noble goal, it was one of the greatest 'Realpolitik' miscalculations in world history. By invading Iraq, Iran now is the sole power in the region with no counterbalance, with the results you see today. And Iraq soon may fall to Iranian style radicalism. Lebanon a country on the verge of western-style democracy may fall to Hezbollah, the Palestinian territories have fallen to Hamas, and things may soon happen in Pakistan. Saudi Arabia has not fallen already because of oil prices, he says...

In essence, trying to impose democracy in the region has yielded the most radical and hate mongering generation of muslims, whom will live with that hatred for decades to come...


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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 3498 times:

Now that's gonna be a very interesting thread....

-Zaki


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

That is why is called an 'editorial'. Opinion... Which can be countered by more opinion.


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User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 3485 times:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):

You make your bed you lay in it. As Robert Fisk says all this does is make many Arabs determined to destroy the US rather than Israel. The blind US support of Israel is the most appalling undebated foreign policy in history.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 3472 times:

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 3):
The blind US support of Israel

But see this proffessor is smart enough not to hedge his conclusions simply on US support for Israel. He even argues such support could have still been applied without alienating most Arabs.

He argues historical issues like the meddling of the US in Iran, the US support for dictators of their liking in the muslim world, but most importantly he mentions a fundamental refusal of the US government to respect muslim culture, by demanding certain 'social' reforms that go against Islam.

He argues that it is this fundamental contempt to their culture that is the basis of this situation, even more so than the Israeli-Palestinian conflict or other conflicts. Those just are the icing on the cake to justify the hatred. But what muslims view as a basic disrespect of the US of their culture, that is what drives it all.



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User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 4):



Quoting Derico (Reply 4):
But see this proffessor is smart enough not to hedge his conclusions simply on US support for Israel. He even argues such support could have still been applied without alienating most Arabs.

Thats not possible.----------------------


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 hours ago) and read 3452 times:

I for one do not have an issue with my countries unwaivering support of Israel. God knows that country and people have been to hell and back. As long as the USA backs Israel a large portion of the Middle East will not see eye to eye with the US. The day the US stops supporting Israel is the day that nation ceases to exist. If anyone believes in God, they also know that the day every nation turns against Israel is not a good one.

In my opinion, one of the massive problems in the Middle East is lack of knowledge regarding the United States, its positions and what its current and future policies will be. Now, before I start getting stoned, the same issues arise with Arab policies with a country bumpkin from Kentucky.

The United States isn't out to "change the world". Many believe that and others are willing to throw their support behind it because it is easier to join the rabbid mob than actually think for oneself. They are trying to bring freedom or democracy to certain places but are allowing that democracy to grow how each nation wants it to. Aftghanistan is a prime example. Afghanis elected a government THEY wanted. Things are never perfect and one could say that democracy was "forced" on them. They may be right, but the choice of government was alotted to them and thats a heck of difference than nut jobs running around in black cloaks beating women.

1: The United States went to war in Afghanistan because that country harbored individuals and a political group who had attacked it. Any other thoughts on why the US is in Afghanistan are full of holes. On Sept 10th, most Americans had no idea who Al Qaeda was and where Afghistan lay on a map.

2: The United States went to war in Iraq for several reasons. Saddam Hussein is the #1 reason. The man was/is a madman and jumped at any opporunity to hurt the US. This type of individual was going to be dealt with in a post 9/11 world. Saddam brought great instability to the region and was constantly trying to draw Israel into a war. Ousting him from power would hopefully allow things in the Middle East to cool. Say what you want about WMDs, oil etc but the major reason was the fact that the danger Saddam brought to each day would no longer be tolerated. Once again a choice of choosen government has been allowed. In my opinion it is ridiculous to think that the US is going to remove a dictator and then allow a Communist government to take control. OBVIOUSLY, the US is going to do what is in there best interests. Guidelines are set, but those guidelines only allow for a civilization to democratically choose its government and who it wants to run it.

3: Israel vs Anybody is going to make the Arab world nuts. From the safety of my home computer I will say that Hamas, Hezbollah etc ARE NUTS. They are fanatics that hate the Jews and show that hatred by strapping bombs to their bodies. Trying to deal with type of mentality is going to take some patience. No matter what the Jews do, they are going to be hated. The Arabs want the land the Jews have and the Jews aren't going to give it to them. No amount of peace accords is going to solve this issue. The Arabs hate the Jews..... accept it, understand it, embrace it because it has been going on for over 5,000 years.

As for the current wars in Afghanistan and Iraq causing a generation of Muslims to hate Americans, I'm not concerned. A generation of Muslims has been hating the US EVERY generation. The US has made mistakes during the war on terror that has not helped the situation. To say that the situation is the cause of hatred though is short-minded. I guess it is time for a little history lesson.......... In 1991, the United States went to Saudi Arabia at the Sultan's request to defend it from a possible Iraqi attack. The Iraqis had over run Kuwait (Muslim Nation) and were toying with the idea of attacking Saudi Arabia (Muslim Nation). The United States (Christian Nation) came to Saudi Arabia's (Muslim Nation) defense, pushed the Iraqis (Dictatorship) out of Kuwait (Muslim Nation) and set up a defense force for both MUSLIM NATIONS.

No good deed goes unpunished though and our punishment was 9/11. After a decade spent keeping Saddam Huseein in a box, the United States was attacked. Why was it attacked? Because it had troops in Muslim nations that were not wanted. Sooooooooo, due to the United States generiosity from 1991-2001, we were given a gift.

Defending Muslim nations, attacking Muslim nations or staying at home does not change the situation. We were not at war with any Muslim nations on 9/11 nor are we at war with them now. What we have attacked is a religious group who is out of its minds and hates America. As an American, I wish that the growing resentment of the Arab world could tranfer to Mexico, then maybe just maybe we wouldn't have thousands of people entering this horrible, cruel, Muslim hating country every day.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
Two generations of muslims from Morocco to Indonesia are being radicalized to hate the US and to another extent jews

As if they were in love with Americans and Jews...ever in the past century.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

The article has some good points, but I think it takes things from the wrong direction. It's like saying England made an enemy of Germany by standing up to them over Poland in September 1939.

It's the fundementalist Arabs who have made themselves the enemy of western civilization, not the other way round.

[Edited 2006-08-05 08:58:22]

User currently offlinePulkovokiwi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8):
It's the Arabs who have made themselves the enemy of western civilization, not the other way round.



Politicians and diapers should both be changed regularly and for the same reason.

Enemy of some but not all western civilisation. Bit extreme arent we?


User currently offlineBotsCom From Angola, joined Jul 2006, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3384 times:

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 3):
As Robert Fisk

I wouldn't believe a word he says, he is a old school leftist crackp*t gone native, the ones Brits make very well. If he had his way, Israel would be pushed into the sea.



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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

I agree, it seems that only a small portion of rabid Muslims hate the US. The rest of the Middle East is like the rest of the world, they just want to go about living their lives in peace. Until these fundamentalists are stopped, that won't be allowed to happen.


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting Derico (Thread starter):
Has The US Now Made An Eternal Enemy In The Arabs?

Let's consider this from a little different angle, shall we....


"Have The Arabs Now Made An Eternal Enemy In The US?"

Why hasn't anyone asked that question?


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 12):
Let's consider this from a little different angle, shall we....


"Have The Arabs Now Made An Eternal Enemy In The US?"

Why hasn't anyone asked that question?

Because that would be politically incorrect, of course!  Wink


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

Quoting Queso (Reply 12):
Have The Arabs Now Made An Eternal Enemy In The US?"

Why hasn't anyone asked that question?

That would be a good point... Except that the Arabs did not become involved in internal US affairs since the mid 1940s, whereas the US has.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3292 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 14):
That would be a good point... Except that the Arabs did not become involved in internal US affairs since the mid 1940s, whereas the US has.

Why does the length of time matter? Based on your line of reasoning, radical islamist arabs can keep flying airplanes into US buildings for another 35 years before we can become outraged.....


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 14):
... Except that the Arabs did not become involved in internal US affairs since the mid 1940s, whereas the US has.

Who knows, but if the US hadn't been there, the Soviets sure would have, and it would have been a heck of alot worse for the Arab populations under Moscows thumb.

Seems people forget about that.


User currently offlineCasInterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4636 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

It's all a matter of point of view.

I will concede the point that the arab world may be angry with the US, but what has the Arab world done to change that image.

Munich, Tehran 1979, Beirut, Achilli Largo, TWA, Hostages, Pan AM, WTC 93, USS Cole, WTC 2001, Barricks.

The Blame can be handed out in all directions for maltreatment and mistrust.

in the end I will argue most of it is based on Oil. If it wasn't for Oil, the Mideast would be relatively forgotten.

Peopel in the Arab world may hate the US, but in truth, what they hate is Oppression. Unfortunately most of the hate and opression they feel comes from the same leaders that Spurn the hate of the US.

In the end I am sure everyone on the face of the earth is pretty much the same. Everyone wants food, water, shelter, and to spend time amongst friends and family in a productive manor.

I would believe everyone would get along, if it wasn't for the asshole fundementalist leaders of every religion. It is truly amazing what people who promise something they can't see, can get people to do in the name of good.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Why does the length of time matter? Based on your line of reasoning, radical islamist arabs can keep flying airplanes into US buildings for another 35 years before we can become outraged.....

No, Americans had the right to respond to attack. But many Americans, I have heard this from them, really believe that they were attacked 'for no reason'. The US was attacked for a reason or several reasons, reasons that were valid to the terrorists who carried out the attacks, which unfortunately is all that matters to create such tragedy. It doesn't justify their actions for a minute, but to THEM there were reasons.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 16):
Who knows, but if the US hadn't been there, the Soviets sure would have, and it would have been a heck of alot worse for the Arab populations under Moscows thumb.

It's possible but hypothetical. The Soviets had a terrible time in Afghanistan. So if they were stuck there, did they really have a chance in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc?



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 18):
So if they were stuck there, did they really have a chance in Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, etc?

It's possible but hypothetical.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3270 times:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 6):
Saddam brought great instability to the region

Actually, Saddam brought some stability to the middle east, he was able to balance out the Iran threat. Now saying that, Saddam's flag didn't go up full mast, but America used Saddam when ever it worked for us.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 6):
The United States went to war in Iraq for several reasons. Saddam Hussein is the #1 reason

 confused  Darn it, I thought for sure President Bush address to the nation was all about WMD in Iraq.
If Saddam was the #1 reason for war, why not wipe out Castro, Chavez, Taylor, etc?


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3263 times:

Quoting Pulkovokiwi (Reply 3):
You make your bed you lay in it. As Robert Fisk says all this does is make many Arabs determined to destroy the US rather than Israel. The blind US support of Israel is the most appalling undebated foreign policy in history.

The same "you make your bed" analogy can be used for the Arabs, who, for 60 years have either openly or tacitly supported terrorism against Israel and the western democracies.

And there's no way the Arabs are going to destroy the U.S. They could only destroy Israel, but the irony is they'd destroy themselves in the process.

As for the most appaling foreign policy in history, I think that would be reserved for Nazi Germany's war on the Soviet Union.

Quoting Derico (Reply 4):
But see this proffessor is smart enough not to hedge his conclusions simply on US support for Israel. He even argues such support could have still been applied without alienating most Arabs.

Then he's an idiot. Israel is THE REASON why the Arabs hate the U.S. the way they do. And the fact that an overwhelming majority of the Arabs-and their hangers' on around the world, as we see here on Anet, still cannot accept Israel's existence, and still want them destroyed is testeament to that fact.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 6):
I for one do not have an issue with my countries unwaivering support of Israel.

Nor do I. You stand by your friends. You don't abandon them because there are ignorant people in the world who want them destroyed.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 8):
It's like saying England made an enemy of Germany by standing up to them over Poland in September 1939.

Exactly. Unfortunately, enough on here can't see that.

Quoting Queso (Reply 12):
"Have The Arabs Now Made An Eternal Enemy In The US?"

Why hasn't anyone asked that question?

That's the way I see it, and what they've supported for 60 years is adding up and I still think the day is coming where the Arab world will rue the day they have supported the ways of terrorism.

Quoting Derico (Reply 14):
That would be a good point... Except that the Arabs did not become involved in internal US affairs since the mid 1940s, whereas the US has.

Oh yeah? What do you call 9/11? A picnic?


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3254 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
As for the most appaling foreign policy in history, I think that would be reserved for Nazi Germany's war on the Soviet Union.

A close second being Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor. They could have kept their empire intact for a long time if they had avoided attacking the US.


User currently offlineMigFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3244 times:

Quoting CX747 (Reply 6):
The Arabs hate the Jews

That is the unfortunate truth. The extremist muslim contingent will not be satisfied until Israel is no more, and it's Jewish holy sites destroyed. America is thought as the root of all evil that supports Israel. Islamic hate is based on ignorance and cowardice.

Quoting CX747 (Reply 11):
Until these fundamentalists are stopped, that won't be allowed to happen.

Yeah, some of these crackpots are running things over there...

Quoting Queso (Reply 12):
"Have The Arabs Now Made An Eternal Enemy In The US?"

Why hasn't anyone asked that question?

The average US opinion, I cannot account for, but I know my opinion toward islamic extremists. They are cowards fighting a system that they do not understand, by someone perpetuating a clouded view. US culture is one of the most open-minded in the world, there is a place for everyone in the US. Americans can see islam as a suspicious threat against there ideals. Islamic extremist have one enemy I can count here, me...

/M


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 18):
No, Americans had the right to respond to attack. But many Americans, I have heard this from them, really believe that they were attacked 'for no reason'. The US was attacked for a reason or several reasons, reasons that were valid to the terrorists who carried out the attacks, which unfortunately is all that matters to create such tragedy. It doesn't justify their actions for a minute, but to THEM there were reasons.

This type of logic doesn't work in my opinion. Valid thoughts and beliefs of mentally challenged individuals are not reality. Until the opression that is rampant in the Middle East is stopped, this type of blind rage will continue.

If one good thing can come of this conflict it is the fact that through the bloodshed, two civilizations are learing more and more about one another. Having Americans front and center is bringing the "Infidel" to the opressed front door. For every young terrorist in the making, there are 10 bright young children learning that an American soldier is not someone to hate.



"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
25 Texdravid : The real enemy of the Arab countries is corrupt governments, lack of education and jobs, and overwhelming stifling religiosity. Put those three things
26 Post contains images Mir : Fortunately, these problems can be addressed (the second more easily than the first or third, but even that would have a significant effect). The US
27 CX747 : I believe that the US needs to continue its current operations. Bringing democracy (Of an Arabian kind) to the Middle East is only going to help the W
28 RJpieces : Sometimes I wonder...France and other European countries don't have much higher approval ratings than the United States amongst Arabs yet most of Eur
29 Derico : ' And that is exactly where you are going wrong. Your thoughts may be noble, but have you ever considered that they don't want women equality and man
30 CasInterest : Right here is the problem. They don't want equality for women. Yet Women represent more than half the population. Once the women figure this out.....
31 Falcon84 : You mean, like what we've done in Iraq? Ah, I get it. And you want MORE of that? God help the nation....
32 Mir : As much as I'd like to see democracies springing up all over the Middle East, it is, as far as I'm concerned, downright stupid to expect that the US
33 NAV20 : I wish people would stop referring to 'Arabs' as if it was a nationality. The very thread title refers to 'the US', to be consistent surely it should
34 Falcon84 : They're a race, Sherlock. What part of that don't you get? And they're Arabs, right? So what the heck is your beef?
35 NAV20 : So you're advocating a race war? It WOULD help the discussion along if you made a point of reading posts before you reply to them, Falcon.
36 TERRA : I thought you were talking about Americans for a minute, sorry my mistake!!! Oh and i wish people would stop referring to this jealousy "Arabs" have
37 Cfalk : The hatred is the problem. I'm glad you admit it. Arab xenophobia is the root cause of a huge share of the world's problems today. And people in auth
38 NAV20 : Which nations do you mean, Cfalk? And what have they done to the US recently?
39 Post contains links Cfalk : Where should we begin? August 1982: Honolulu, Hawaii. Pan Am airplane. Bomb 1 killed, several injured - Palestinian terrorist Mohammad Rashid April 1
40 NAV20 : I said 'recently,' Cfalk. So nothing since 2001? Looks like they HAVE been leaving the USA alone then? And you didn't say which 'nations' were respons
41 Post contains links Cfalk : Oh, come on, NAV, you're stretching. You're saying that the terrorists decided to stop bugging the US after September 11th? The reasons the US has no
42 Post contains images NAV20 : Cfalk, I'm just asking for clarification of what you said, which was:- In fact, there have been no recent terrorist events involving the USA, and ther
43 Cfalk : NAV, if you can't see the connection between Iran, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, etc., I can't really help you. The whole mess is a web o
44 Par13del : Something else I noticied, have not seen an explanation which anyone cared to put into words. The "Arab World" usually speaks with one voice when addr
45 Klaus : Because only Israel is a sufficiently extreme enemy to have them agree. "The muslim world" is not any more uniform than "christian" Europe once was;
46 Par13del : Klaus if I relate that premise to Iraq, are you saying the sectarian violence in Iraq is not extreme? Last week how high was the death toll, over 1,00
47 Post contains images Klaus : If there is a common enemy in Iraq, it is the USA. They have "more urgent" priorities than dealing with Israel there. Because the "christian world" h
48 Par13del : Klaus "If there is a common enemy in Iraq, it is the USA. They have "more urgent" priorities than dealing with Israel there." In my earlier post I men
49 Falcon84 : And who are they-or you-to tell US how to live, may I ask? Are you saying we should change because the Arabs and Islamofascists don't like the way we
50 Klaus : No, some are fighting the occupation troops, many are manouevering for power positions or just settling age-old scores. The inept occupation policies
51 Halls120 : An excellent point. However, how do you know muslim women in the middle east don't want equality? I'm not interested in "forcing" democracy on any co
52 Rolfen : Well they have once more proved this theory most arabs have, that the US and israel have no regard for arab life or anything they achieved.
53 Pulkovokiwi : Agree with you totally there-well said!!!
54 Falcon84 : ROTFL. Well, considering the long, bloody, shameful history of Arab/Islamic violence against the world, that is one of the most hypocritical and sham
55 Klaus : I'd tread lightly if I were you. The west has trampled all over the middle east with its colonial boots and before that with the horrors of the crusa
56 VC10 : Did I miss something or during the period when Europe was busy colonizing chunks of the world wasn't the Middle East all part of the Turkish Empire,
57 TERRA : I would just like to point out that i'm not an Arab being a British expat so i have nothing to admit to!!!! I do however have some observations to ma
58 Klaus : As far as I'm aware the colonial powers undermined the Ottoman Empire both by gnawing off parts of its territory and by subverting it economically. A
59 LTBEWR : For many decades after WWII, the USA, along with European countries, tried to control the Islamic world. The creation of Israel, economic control and
60 Post contains images Halls120 : Right. Monarchies and colonialism "worked" at one time for certain people as well, didn't they? It's very simple - you want a voting voice in organiz
61 BotsCom : The answer is for the US, it won't matter. Even if the Arabs, feel this way. There is nothing nothing they can do about it. America is great today, wa
62 Klaus : They made valuable contributions to science and art while Europe was stagnating during the dark ages; Interestingly, jews found a much more tolerant
63 BotsCom : You basically answered my question. It was hundreds of years ago, that they achieved something. What have they done since the dark ages? Or might thi
64 Klaus : That's more or less what it looks like, although there's certainly no 1:1 relationship. No. Your need for absolutes and black-vs.-white simply can't
65 BotsCom : Thnak you. It wasn't so hard was it?
66 Klaus : You could just have read my earlier posts. Nothing new at all in the one above.
67 CX747 : There have been no recent attacks on the US because we are currently engaging them elsewhere. Have you ever thought that another reason may be the ex
68 Par13del : TERRA Reply 58, that is a very interesting post. Lets keep it simple, there were three major colonial powers in the current world, France, Spain and E
69 Falcon84 : Nor do I, but maybe Mr. Bush now remembers why he was so against "Nation Building" back in 2000. He's finding out firsthand it doesn't work real well
70 AGM100 : Personnaly I am not worried about more Muslims hating us, that is already a known assumption. They should be more worried about us hating them, so far
71 Rolfen : I did'nt say that it was my opinion. I am just reporting what I hear. However ridiculous you may find it this is what they believe.
72 Cedars747 : Not only Arabs ! Alex!!!
73 AndrewUber : The US probably has made an enemy of the Arabs - until the next major earthquake in the arab world.
74 Pulkovokiwi : Your geography isnt too good mate. When was the last quake in an Arab country?
75 VC10 : Well I remember one in 1996, the centre of which was in Jordan some where. We were in a high rise hotel in Cairo, and that was near enough, for it sca
76 RAPCON : You mean to say that Arabs hate us as much as we hate them??? OK!
77 Falcon84 : Who else, Alex? Venezuela? Cuba? DRPK? Iran? And you think that really bothers the U.S. that they don't like us? Get a grip, dude. You're hallucinati
78 Klaus : Quite certainly.
79 Pulkovokiwi : In the case of North Korea and Iran-big time bother!
80 Cedars747 : Arabs and others love the US and hallucinate with the American dream.They hate the US under the Bush administration Alex!!!
81 Dtwclipper : And the Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson...... Bush is just the current target.
82 Cedars747 : Oops...why that? Alex!!!
83 Rolfen : It heard on CNN today that the strategy of the IDF in Lebanon was to move around towns, just cutting off their supplies lines, effetively starving al
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