Baroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 60 Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1893 times:
Just one little problem, what made you think we ever left it? Just because there was jubilation over the Berlin wall did not really mean a change of attitude by the west. It had won, so it did not need to change obviously, west was best.
USSR might have gone, but "our" side was very much in business. How do you keep our side in business, same way it had been in business for 40+ years, by ensuring there was an enemy.
It barely matters what enemy, the lack of reds under the bed just made room for more unwelcome guests/inventions.
How can you win in politics if you don't have "enemies"?
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1856 times:
Hang on. What exactly are these "sanctions"? An embargo of US business with these companies? That seems perfectly legitimate to me. That's capitalism. If a company does something that some of its clients think is wrong, don't the clients have the option to take their business somewhere else?
The events of the past few weeks have proven that Iran poses a serious danger to the world, and in a worse-case scenario, military action against Iran may be called for. We don't want Iran to have state-of-the-art weaponry that will end up killing our own people.
If the US is threatening to arrest Sukhoi management or Russian government officials, (or bomb the Sukhoi plant) of course that would be a different story. Sukhoi operates under Russian law, and that's that. But holding back US business from Sukhoi is perfectly legitimate, and Sukhoi should have thought about the possibility of that happening before they signed the deal with Iran.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1851 times:
Sukhoi has not signed any deal with Iran that would imply any deliveries of weapons to Hezbollah. Sukhoi does not manufacture missiles but military and civil aircraft-both of which obviously can not have been delivered to any party in Lebanon.
Since the sanctions (against US companies indirectly ..) are applied just when the Lebanon -Israeli conflict erupts,the timing is obvious.
The future of multi-national technology programs looks bleak if the US plays world-police,mixing politics and industrial co-operation.
The fact that Boeing and Sukhoi -a former "enemy aircraft supplier" -try to end cold warscenarios,was a great move .US-Russian relations will get a serious damp..
PPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8770 posts, RR: 42 Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1844 times:
Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 4): Sukhoi does not manufacture missiles but military and civil aircraft-both of which obviously can not have been delivered to any party in Lebanon.
They were going to upgrade bombers that are capable of delivering nukes, that's the problem. If they give up that contract, and whichever else the U.S. has a problem with, they'll probably get their civilian contracts back.
You don't make deals with companies that help your enemies!
[Edited 2006-08-05 19:49:30]
"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
Par13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6523 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
So if I read the article correctly, no US Govt. Agency can do business with these companies. If that's all, whats the big deal? Most of these countries don't like to be associated with the US Govt. anyway, they may want US business but not at the expense fo being accused of being US "allies", so only private American contracts.
Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1809 times:
Rosoboronexport and Sukhoi do not have any military deals in the United States, but the both are engaged in major civilian projects. Sukhoi, for example, has U.S partners such as Hamilton Sundstrand and Honeywell to make supplies for its new SuperJet 100 regional jet. .."
Lawers of Sukhoi and Rosoboronexport are now assessing a possible impact of the sanctions on their civilian contracts.