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9% Of US Oil Production Going Off-line  
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2887 times:

Well if you are buying gas in America you might want to do it really quickly.

The Prudhoe Bay Oilfield operated by British Petroleum is going offline immedately. Prudhoe Bay in Alaska in the largest oilfield in the United States. The neighboring fields operated by other oil companies shouldn't be effected. This oilfield represents half the current oilflow in the trans-Alaska oil pipeline. Some 400,000 fewer barrels of oil per day will be sent down the pipe.

What has brought this shutdown on is that significant corrosion including a 40 barrel leak to pipe jacketing insulation has been found in the transit lines from the production facilities to the Central Production Facilities that feed the Alaska Pipeline. Those pipes will need to be shut down and replaced. This will be a long shutdown.

The inspections that has triggered where caused by an earlier oil spill in March when some 20K barrels of oil where spilled.

I suspect that the people of Washington and Oregon are going to be hardest hit by this since most of the oil used by the BP Cherry Point refinery in Washington State originates from Alaska.

I expect gas prices to rise significantly

[Edited 2006-08-07 07:32:44]


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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2873 times:

Was just reading about this. The BP spokesman was predicting spikes of $10/barrel. Oh joys!


"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

Gee, wouldn't it be nice to have the security of ANWR, right now? As opposed to a few caribou...


America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2866 times:

My tank was really low and I was planning to fill up tomorrow. But I heard the news on TV and decided to go fill up tonight.

It's a good thing. The guy at the station said his regional office called and said to expect a 10% price increase in the morning.

Mark


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2832 times:

A little off-topic, but why do we allow companies to control the entire distribution chain? Drilling, production, pipeline, tankers, refineries, pipelines, distribuition, road tankers, petrol stations, etc.

Maybe I'm a little naive but I don't see how BP will suffer, only profit from this.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Funny, how they screw up, and get rewarded with higher profits, I want a job like that!


No wait, it's not funny.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

This also means that more oil will have to be imported from places we don't want to deal with, supporting terrorism or bad governments. I also suspect that all of the West coast and adjacent states like Nevada, Idaho, will be severely affected.
Until we really make a massive decision to put in conservation policies and start to move away from oil based fuels, we will continue to be in fear of oil disruptions and at the mercy of oil companies and unfriendly governments.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2):
Gee, wouldn't it be nice to have the security of ANWR, right now? As opposed to a few caribou...

One could eat the caribou though. Oil doesn't taste nearly as good.  Smile

-Mir



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2):
Gee, wouldn't it be nice to have the security of ANWR, right now? As opposed to a few caribou...

Dude, there's so little oil up there, it really wouldn't make any difference. 10 billion barrels is a lot, and it's nice to know it's there, but (a) it's only 100 days worth at current world use, (b) and once it's gone, it's gone. You might think you're hurting right now, but wait another year or two and the Ghowar field in Saudi hits exhaustion. Very shortsighted of you, in a $10 spike, to freak out and immediately call for the last untappe4d oil field in North America to be drilled. Could you try walking / cycling, or driving a smaller car (my apologies if you already have a hybrid, or enjoy walking instead of driving).



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
Could you try walking / cycling

Not in most major cities in the US unfortunately. The lack of good public transportation doesn't help either but you can blame the ignorant NIMBYs on that one.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
it's only 100 days worth at current world use

Who said we'll share it?  Wink

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
and once it's gone, it's gone.

Thus bringing on the invasion of Canada.  Wink



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2):
As opposed to a few caribou...

Actually, they like the pipeline and hang out close to it because its warm and provides shelter. Migration and reproduction have not been negatively affected at all, and there is some evidence it has actually helped the animals.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
but (a) it's only 100 days worth at current world use

Wrong. And using that misleading stat to minimise the amount is nothing short of sleazy. You also seem motivated to stick with the lowest possible estimate. Should I be surprised?

It would not and could not all be pumped at once and you know it so that post was nothing short of a lie. It would add a healthy domestic percentage for 20-30 years, and there is more besides that one area to tap also.



Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 8):
but (a) it's only 100 days worth at current world use

A bit misleading for a couple of reasons. 1) At the 1 million BOD that the pipeline can handle there is a signficantly longer period of time that field will produce. 2) Kuparuk. That field was developed in the early 1980's. It was predicted to be good for 2 Billion barrels. It hit that mark last year, and is still producing at about half of the initial rate.

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 10):
Actually, they like the pipeline and hang out close to it because its warm and provides shelter. Migration and reproduction have not been negatively affected at all, and there is some evidence it has actually helped the animals.

That and there is a blanket 5 mile wide no-hunting zone around those facilities.



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User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 874 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 4):
A little off-topic, but why do we allow companies to control the entire distribution chain? Drilling, production, pipeline, tankers, refineries, pipelines, distribution, road tankers, petrol stations, etc.
Maybe I'm a little naive but I don't see how BP will suffer, only profit from this.

We allow oil companies to control the entire distribution chain beacuse we have a free market that allows this to happen. They are private companies that have invested billions (if not trillions) of dollars in exploration, drillings, shipping, and refining crude oil. We all know how the governemnt likes to mess things up, do we really want them involved in the oil sector anyways?

BP is going to have to fix whats broke and clean up any spills, Thats going to cost a lot of money. Im sure BP would rather be up and running then have to stop production to fix whats broken. Accidents like this lead to a lot of media coverage and ultimelty bad PR.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
This also means that more oil will have to be imported from places we don't want to deal with, supporting terrorism or bad governments.


How about we just cut consumption, now there's a noble idea.




Adam


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 1):
spikes of $10/barrel. Oh joys!

Is the rise in gas prices going to affect all gas stations or only BP ones?

-Zaki


User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 874 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Here is the story of gas production as I understand it, someone please correct me if I am wrong or mistaken. Crude oil is pumped up from the ground and shipped through pipes and ships to get to the refinery. Once it reaches the refinery it is processed into gas/diesel etc. Then it is shipped from the refinery to a distribution terminal usually through a smaller pipe. From the terminal, a distributor/jobber with trucks hauls the fuel from the terminal to the local gas station. Not one single oil companies does all of the above. For example: BP may own the well where the oil is pumping from, The Trans-Alaska Pipeline is owned by Alyeska, the oil is refined by Tesoro at its refinery and then shipped to the terminal through another piped owned by Valero and the terminal may be operated by ConocoPhillips. Also keep in mind that when you see a BP or a ConocoPhilllips gas station it does not mean that oil company owns that station. Chances are the owner is someone local (or a regional company) that is branded under the BP or ConcoPhillips, or Tesoro, Cennex brand/logo.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 15):
Is the rise in gas prices going to affect all gas stations or only BP ones?



The only difference between BP and any other brands gas it the types of additives that are added to the fuel at the terminal before it is delivered to the gas station. All the gas/diesel/jetfuel in the country comes together in the network of pipeline that criss cross across America. There is not a specific pipe for BP gas, its all combines... So this will affect all gas prices not just BP.



Adam


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

Quoting Roadrunner165 (Reply 16):
The only difference between BP and any other brands gas it the types of additives that are added to the fuel at the terminal before it is delivered to the gas station. All the gas/diesel/jetfuel in the country comes together in the network of pipeline that criss cross across America. There is not a specific pipe for BP gas, its all combines... So this will affect all gas prices not just BP

Thanks for the explanation Roadrunner165... i appreciate it.


-Zaki


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 15):
Is the rise in gas prices going to affect all gas stations or only BP ones?

All, as the per barrel price increase is market wide. As of right now its up $2 from yesterday. However word is the Feds have agreed to release oil from the reserve to replace any lost from BP. Technically that should relieve the price pressure, so we'll see where it stands at the end of the day.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineTruant From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2610 times:

The pipeline has been around awhile (30 years+). Has anyone ever told the BP brain trust about "preventive maintenance"?

Rhetorical question.

These are the same tools (who through the API) propagandize us with "preventive maintenance" and the 3,000 mile oil changes. I guess what only serves their profit motives is convenient.

Here we go again, this season's manufactured oil/gasoline supply shortage. Last fall it was Katrina (having a great deal of your receiving and refining capacity in one area prone to disaster). This spring it was ethanol replacing MTBE, this summer that idiot Ahmedinajad's ranting down a well in Iran. I guess since hurricane season was slow this year the oil industry had to come up with something.


User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

"Cha-Ching" the sound of a cash register as it drains your wallet, just another excuse to raise gas prices...

THANK GOD I DRIVE A HYBRID!  laughing 

N231YE ~ 2004 Honda Civic Hybrid w/CVT, 48 MPG hwy


User currently offlineAndrewuber From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2528 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Pretty obvious what will happen:

1. Fuel prices will surge in the U.S. due to the discovery of "corrosion on a pipeline" (did they not adequately protect the hardware??)

2. More whining and moaning by all of us in the U.S. who are already tired of paying $3.50 for a gallon of gas

3. Fuel prices will NOT GO BACK DOWN - once the oil companies force us to pay more for fuel - they have no reason to reduce the price (just like after Katrina)

4. BP will be added to the list of oil companies turning $100 billion profits per month

Wanna fight back? Buy BP stock, and you'll get some of your money back.

Thank GOD I bought a Hybrid a couple weeks ago.

Drew



I'd rather shoot BAD_MOTIVE
User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 874 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Quoting Andrewuber (Reply 28):
3. Fuel prices will NOT GO BACK DOWN - once the oil companies force us to pay more for fuel - they have no reason to reduce the price (just like after Katrina)

Economics 101 Chapter 1 Supply and Demand - try googling it!

Humans will continue to use oil untill it become cheaper to uses a different form of energy, then big oil companies are screwed. BTW $3.50 a gallon is cheap for gas when you compare it to what people in Europe are paying.


Adam

[Edited 2006-08-07 23:44:35]

User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Gas prices will come down alittle during "off peak" periods or in the Winter Season but go back up again this Spring. Only way to fight back is use less/conserve at the same time find an alternate source. Corn biodiesel is not the answere. You get more "energy" out of soybeans. There are alot of "empty spaces" in the USA. We need to built hundreds of thousands of Wind Generators to make alot more electricity and we need to build electric cars. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Quoting NWDC10 (Reply 37):
There are alot of "empty spaces" in the USA. We need to built hundreds of thousands of Wind Generators to make alot more electricity and we need to build electric cars.

I believe the last thing we need is to absorb more energy from the weather in the form of windpower (solar or wavepower also). You cannot get something for nothing, you know. If we take from one point, the reduced wind energy can and probably will manifest in marked changes in the weather patterns over large areas, perhaps worldwide.

We should be working the hardest at trying to develop the most bang for the buck (the most energy liberated per sample size) which is nuclear. Ounce for ounce, nuclear is the only energy source capable of safely powering human needs from now into the distant future. Also...if we are to explore space, we better start using and perfecting nuclear power. We won't get far on solar.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting Truant (Reply 17):
The pipeline has been around awhile (30 years+). Has anyone ever told the BP brain trust about "preventive maintenance"?

Er yes, I think the problems are quite well known as well as being quite costly:
http://www.corrosioncost.com/pdf/oilgas.pdf
Around 2001, measures to combat corrosion cost about USD1.3 billion pa.
Note one of the authors for that paper is from Saudi Aramco, that group having vast experience due to the very difficult chemical conditions for some of the Khuff gas.

The problem is in the transit lines feeding the main pipeline but much more is available on the main line.

As for the Trans Alaska pipeline:
"The 48 inch diameter pipe is made of specially coated material covered with zinc anodes to ward off corrosion. More than 800 crossings of rivers and streams are made between Prudhoe Bay and Valdez."
http://fairbanks-alaska.com/trans-alaska-pipeline.htm

Of course you can have cheaper gas if you don't mind the pipeline failing every now and again and spilling oil, but usually repair is more expensive than prevention.

It will be making BP even less happy than the angry posters on this thread that they have had to have a shut in.

"The Joint Pipeline Office was organized in 1990 in answer to concerns about corrosion of the pipe and potential spills. The office is composed of nine state and federal management agencies who issue permits and monitor operation of the pipeline to encourage environmental safety."

The transit lines had apparently not been pigged since being installed, one fear being that if they were pigged, this would send silt into the main line. There were maintenance systems in operation but it appears that ultra-sonic testing was not giving an accurate appraisal.

So you could ask a different question, how much more would you have been paying for the past 20 years if better preventive maintenance had been in operation? And how bitter would have been the complaints if the more expensive maintenance had in the end not been needed?

Give them a break, it is a miracle they get oil out of there at all, let alone at moderate costs.


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 22):
I believe the last thing we need is to absorb more energy from the weather in the form of windpower (solar or wavepower also). You cannot get something for nothing, you know. If we take from one point, the reduced wind energy can and probably will manifest in marked changes in the weather patterns over large areas, perhaps worldwide.

A very worrying post MD80 because you could be right. However, if you are, we are already in a deep mess (sorry you knew that!) because so many of our structures do that anyway. It would be interesting to work out how much perturbation to the wind comes from a high rise city and how this compares with the effects of a wind farm.

I suspect they might be similar in terms of magnitude, it would be interesting to do some calculations.

It is also a bit like the A380 wake turbulence stuff, a windmill presumably produces a relatively clean wake, whereas a city will produce vector reversals.

In spite of working for the fossil fuels industry, I am sure you are correct about nuclear. However, just one request, when you get your flying (rocketing, whatever) nuclear power going please make sure it does not fall on me. I am not really that worried about the radioactivity, more about the weight!

Which brings us back to BP and Prudhoe, all of the other options are a heck of a lot more expensive even than Alaskan oil - at the time of its development the most expensive oil in the world. And BP do deserve some credit for being the guys who went and found it when there were plenty of doomsayers around to tell them what a wast of money it would be exploring up there.

Arguably, BP have discovered more new oil provinces than any of the other majors and by doing that, probably gave you 10 to 20% cheaper oil for maybe 30 years.


25 Post contains images Iowaman : 10%? That's 30 cents a gallon. Hopefully I can get filled up in the morning before it does go up that much.
26 DeltaDC9 : Nope, do you really think they will let other companies take over energy supply? Come on! They are developing alternatives as we speak, but they will
27 Post contains images DeltaDC9 : Here is a picture of the primary facility for those who have never actually seen a picture of what really is up there and what it really looks like.
28 FDXMECH : You are absolutedly....wrong. And history proves it. In the early 80's during the Iranian fuel crisis, prices jumped over a dollar a gallon, odd and
29 AndrewUber : Oh of course. I should have been more specific. Before Hurricane Katrina, we were paying maybe $2.50 per gallon. When Katrina slammed ashore, the US
30 DeltaDC9 : That does not mean we never will be. Also, adjusted for inflation, we are just now seeing price levels equal to the 1970's.
31 FDXMECH : My example of the 1980 oil price spike to bargain basement gas prices and eventually moderate gas prices were in the making of over several years and
32 Incitatus : BP is the new Enron.
33 DeltaDC9 : That makes no sense. Their profit margin is less than 10%. Lets not be hypocrites and act like we would settle for even less of a margin for our own
34 Scintx : I fear our one way trade. How many sea contains leave the USA with our products on board? I work in manufacturing and I scares me what I see going on
35 Post contains links Itsjustme : Mark, it sounds like your local station may be using this latest news as an excuse to gouge prices. This CBS news article says "With the loss of Alas
36 Scintx : Off topic but related- Why do we have Chevron-Texaco, Mobil-Exxon, Conoco-Phillips and other companies with two names? Not that long ago we had the ch
37 Itsjustme : Maybe this is an appropriate time to ask, "Whatever happened to the electric car"? There is an interesting documentary out titled, "Who Killed The Ele
38 MD80fanatic : That is what they want you to think. It doesn't cost any more to extract the crude than it did before. It doesn't cost any more to transport it than
39 Scintx : I'm going to take it you don't work in the Energy Industry.
40 L-188 : Well the Alaskan Oil Industry's equivlant of Scary Mary, Chuck Hamel is having a field day on the national media. I will admit that this does make him
41 ScarletHarlot : Is this where ANCFlyer works?
42 Baroque : Indeed they did that to stay alive - especially to meet the expectations of the funds managers! It is also interesting to watch some of those merged
43 DeltaDC9 : Or have much experience with how public corporations report earnings
44 L-188 : Well I figure they have about 2-3 months before they have to worry about temps dropping down to where that starts becoming a problem. Kuparuk is the
45 ANCFlyer : Only the Prudhoe Bay field is shut down - well, getting shut down, it willtake a week to shut off. The Kuparuk, Badami, Milne Point, West Sac, etc fie
46 Incitatus : I don't "think" about where my retirement money goes, I know it. And you don't. You lack basic understanding of how an economy works. Higher commodit
47 DeltaDC9 : Talk about a lack of understanding....
48 L-188 : Sorry I meant an additional 1mbopd from ANWR. There are also studies on right now to see if at least the west side of the field can be kept running t
49 Mke717spotter : How long is it going to take to repair this?
50 L-188 : Nobody knows for sure yet. Channel 2 ran some numberrs tonight They are looking at initially 16 miles of pipe that will need to be replaced. I don't
51 Roadrunner165 : I heard on NPR it is more like 5-6%, but even 10% is not great profit margins. I think if you did some research you would find out that it does cost
52 Itsjustme : We've seen roughly a .04/gallon increase here (Orange Co. CA). When you say "you" are you referring to fellow Alaskans? The reason I ask is CBS News
53 Post contains links MUWarriors : The scariest thing about this right now is how this will affect Alaska in the near future. Losing $6.4 million per day, I heard the state can only sta
54 AirCop : I know its early, but since Sunday the prices have actually dropped .03/gallon at my neighborhood Shell and QT stations here in Arizona where 70% of
55 Roadrunner165 : I enjoyed reading your post and had a few comments to add. Oil prices will never get that high to begin with, their stock would drop like a rock long
56 Baroque : Changes from initial calculations of recoverable reserves will always occur. Compared with the late 70s, there is now a big difference, 3D seismic. T
57 L-188 : 3D seismic is a big one, as is directional drilling and steerable drill bits. And that is why more oil is now recoverable, the technology for getting
58 Post contains links L-188 : Oh link to tonights Channel 2 news story. http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmviewer.asp?a=5965&z=1 They are looking at getting the replacement pipe starting o
59 Planesarecool : You need to come over to England and see what we're paying. You're getting your oil at about a third of the price we are (at least according to a fri
60 Itsjustme : What exactly is your point? That, just because you're paying more for gasoline in England than people are in the U.S., we shouldn't be bothered by th
61 Rolfen : At least you have fuel. People in lebanon are going to revert to riding donkeys pretty soon.
62 FDXMECH : And Al Gore.
63 DeltaDC9 : Actually I think 10% is the highest of all the oil companies. And no, it really is not all that much. People just confuse volume with profit. If I se
64 Baroque : 3D means that the original identification of the reservoir size is more accurate and directional drilling, especially horizontal completions, not to
65 Flyingbronco05 : Since this whole thing made the news, gas prices where I am have actually DROPPED about 15-25 cents a gallon. Gas was about 3.10-3.15 a gallon, now it
66 Post contains images ANCFlyer : 18 inches. Expect two to three months. Watching Malone (President of BP America) and his boss in Juneau testifying to the State Senate about this - t
67 L-188 : My point is that all of these estimates are based on the older 2D tests that where done in the late 1970's. We would have a better idea if they allow
68 ANCFlyer : There was just a blurb on CNN that said BP has released info stating they may not need to shut down the entire Prudhoe Field? I didn't hear it on KTUU
69 L-188 : Yup, It was on Channel 2. They are looking at keeping the WOA operating at about 150-200 BOPD depending on the tests of the transit lines from that s
70 ANCFlyer : Alyeska is having several problems . . . 1) They've had to stop the Rebuilding of Pump Station 1 because BP evicted all the workers . . . they need th
71 Baroque : From the interview I heard on PBS, pitting is a major part of the problem. They may be identifying pitting with the problem of slower flow rates. But
72 DeltaDC9 : Source?
73 Post contains links ANCFlyer : he won't source it, it's just the same BS everyone spouted . . . Now, for some real news - with a source: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4
74 Bushpilot : I didnt bother reading through everyone elses posts due to lack of time but I need to chime in on this. Firstly the fact that the lines werent pigged
75 ANCFlyer : i would say none . . . although you're not the first person to mention that . . . my Bartender friend at my favorite haunt suggested that last night.
76 AirCop : How much per passenger is the proposed tax? Then again how many $$ do the cruise ship passengers already spend in Alaska? I can see this tax ending u
77 ANCFlyer : $50 I believe . . . A LOT And the industry itself spends a lot - and a great bit of that "lot" is already spent on environmental conservation . . . t
78 Baroque : I don't have access to their pecuniary interests, but I would be surprised if Al Gore had more direct interests in oil companies compared with GBW an
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