ILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2259 times:
Sadly this one goes down as a win for terrorist tactics and sends a message a weakness as far as I am concerned. I managed to make it up to the top in the summer of 2000 and it was a great experience. I hope some day that they will reconsider this...
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12680 posts, RR: 13 Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2240 times:
The problem is that the access to the crown is very limited to a narrow staircase system. If there was a need to evacuate the statute due to a possible terror attack, a fire or other emergency, it would be near impossible to do so in timely and safe fashion. It also cannot be made to comply with the American with Disabilities Act, although it could get an exemption. While sad in one way, I wouldn't see it as the "terrorists winning". Demand at peak times also limited the numbers of people that could go up and that meant long lines and a lot of frustrated people at peak times.
I remember going to the crown as a kid back in the 1960's and the view was quite special. A good alternative is to take the free Staten Island Ferry from Battery Park, and place your self at the part of the ship facing Manhattan. On a nice day it is quite a view.
Ilikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 21 Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2233 times:
This is painfully ironic. One of the great symbols of America's freedom and liberty is closed to its own people by the government in a police-state-dictatorship-like move.
It seems like the terrorists did win.
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4): The problem is that the access to the crown is very limited to a narrow staircase system. If there was a need to evacuate the statute due to a possible terror attack, a fire or other emergency, it would be near impossible to do so in timely and safe fashion. It also cannot be made to comply with the American with Disabilities Act, although it could get an exemption
The St. Louis Arch is the same way, but the NPS has kept it open. Hardly an argument on this point.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 11 Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2225 times:
As sad as it is, it was only a matter of time until it was closed anyway. Even before 9/11 the issue of access and evacuation had been raised. All it would have taken is someone panicing in that stairwell and you likely would have had someone trampled and hurt. I do wish that they could find a way to allow a limited number of people up there, maybe a lottery system or something. I really regret that I never got up there.
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Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8522 posts, RR: 46 Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2188 times:
Oh sheesh... couldn't they just put up signs telling everyone how extremely, terribly dangerous that stairwell is, and that no one should ever use it for safety reasons? And if still someone was interested in it, they'd go up at their own risk?
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Scintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2047 times:
Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 3): Sadly this one goes down as a win for terrorist tactics and sends a message a weakness as far as I am concerned
My local lake in Dallas, Lake Lavon Dam has been closed since 9/11 for traffic driving across. I wonder who many people even know of this place? We tend to do a lot of dog and pony shows with the intent of sound good/ feel good and penalize the citizens and a job well done. We the People own the Statue of Liberty and that is what it stands for. This is Not the Statue of the Meek.
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J_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2009 times:
I've never been over to the SOL, but was wondering about: Do they have any videos of what you would have seen going up to the crown? And maybe having a remote controled hi-quality camera positioned up there would allow visitors to "see" what they would have from up there...and allow them to "look" around as one does with some web-cams...
I first went there in 1997 and had the privilige to visit the crown. I found it a bit cramped, but the views were good. I was back up in 2001 (pre 9/11) and I thought it was even better, but my mum, dad and Aunt have always wanted to climb it but have never had the chance. Will you still be allowed to visit Liberty Island though??
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