Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2018 times:
today the new york park service announced that the statue of liberty crown will remain closed indefinitely. It has remained closed since 9/11 and todays decision puts further debate on this to rest.
Looks like the terrorists win........
short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1944 times:
btw the pic above is what people visiting the crown would have seen years ago.
short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81 Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
This really pisses me off.
Although I don't agree that "indefinitely" means "forever" it really chaps me that they can't just run metal detectors and bomb dogs across the line to get to the crown.
Some bureaucrat should be fired for this simplistic and counterproductive decision. It was a cowardly decision.
ILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1939 times:
Sadly this one goes down as a win for terrorist tactics and sends a message a weakness as far as I am concerned. I managed to make it up to the top in the summer of 2000 and it was a great experience. I hope some day that they will reconsider this...
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12338 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1920 times:
The problem is that the access to the crown is very limited to a narrow staircase system. If there was a need to evacuate the statute due to a possible terror attack, a fire or other emergency, it would be near impossible to do so in timely and safe fashion. It also cannot be made to comply with the American with Disabilities Act, although it could get an exemption. While sad in one way, I wouldn't see it as the "terrorists winning". Demand at peak times also limited the numbers of people that could go up and that meant long lines and a lot of frustrated people at peak times.
I remember going to the crown as a kid back in the 1960's and the view was quite special. A good alternative is to take the free Staten Island Ferry from Battery Park, and place your self at the part of the ship facing Manhattan. On a nice day it is quite a view.
Ilikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1913 times:
This is painfully ironic. One of the great symbols of America's freedom and liberty is closed to its own people by the government in a police-state-dictatorship-like move.
It seems like the terrorists did win.
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4): The problem is that the access to the crown is very limited to a narrow staircase system. If there was a need to evacuate the statute due to a possible terror attack, a fire or other emergency, it would be near impossible to do so in timely and safe fashion. It also cannot be made to comply with the American with Disabilities Act, although it could get an exemption
The St. Louis Arch is the same way, but the NPS has kept it open. Hardly an argument on this point.
STLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8981 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1905 times:
Civil Liberties are *SO* September 10th.
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Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1905 times:
As sad as it is, it was only a matter of time until it was closed anyway. Even before 9/11 the issue of access and evacuation had been raised. All it would have taken is someone panicing in that stairwell and you likely would have had someone trampled and hurt. I do wish that they could find a way to allow a limited number of people up there, maybe a lottery system or something. I really regret that I never got up there.
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Aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8358 posts, RR: 47 Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1868 times:
Oh sheesh... couldn't they just put up signs telling everyone how extremely, terribly dangerous that stairwell is, and that no one should ever use it for safety reasons? And if still someone was interested in it, they'd go up at their own risk?
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KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 43 Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1843 times:
Not arguing here, just commenting on the facts.
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4): It also cannot be made to comply with the American with Disabilities Act
So because disabled people can't go up there, nobody should be able to? I hate PC stuff...
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4): Demand at peak times also limited the numbers of people that could go up and that meant long lines and a lot of frustrated people at peak times.
Welcome to a popular attraction. Not patient enough to wait, go somewhere else or deal with it.
Migfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1829 times:
That's a real bummer!
I am not so sure about the terrorists winning, but they did play a role. Maybe it is just time to close the lady and admire her from a distance. She served her country...
F*ck Al Qaeda and the terrorists, I am not scared...
Alberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2685 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1781 times:
technically it isn't a building so of course they'll never be able to guarantee one's safety. But that dosen't mean that it should be closed of forever.
short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29352 posts, RR: 62 Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1763 times:
Scintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1 Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1727 times:
Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 3): Sadly this one goes down as a win for terrorist tactics and sends a message a weakness as far as I am concerned
My local lake in Dallas, Lake Lavon Dam has been closed since 9/11 for traffic driving across. I wonder who many people even know of this place? We tend to do a lot of dog and pony shows with the intent of sound good/ feel good and penalize the citizens and a job well done. We the People own the Statue of Liberty and that is what it stands for. This is Not the Statue of the Meek.
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AA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
Holla for East Dallas/McKinney..The crown was small in there. I nailed my head against the top. My dad snapped a picture 1 sec after it happend, so I'm frowning
J_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
I've never been over to the SOL, but was wondering about: Do they have any videos of what you would have seen going up to the crown? And maybe having a remote controled hi-quality camera positioned up there would allow visitors to "see" what they would have from up there...and allow them to "look" around as one does with some web-cams...
SP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 386 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
I had the fortune to go up to the crown twice since moving to NYC. Once in 1990 and again in 1998.
Both times I walked all the way up from the very bottom.
Cadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 34 Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1576 times:
Dam. The one thing in NYC i'll never get the chance to see.
Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
Pawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
I first went there in 1997 and had the privilige to visit the crown. I found it a bit cramped, but the views were good. I was back up in 2001 (pre 9/11) and I thought it was even better, but my mum, dad and Aunt have always wanted to climb it but have never had the chance. Will you still be allowed to visit Liberty Island though??
JG
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DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11433 posts, RR: 81 Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1525 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4): Demand at peak times also limited the numbers of people that could go up and that meant long lines and a lot of frustrated people at peak times.
That's a BS excuse for them to use. If someone is willing to wait then they should get their shot.
Quoting Searpqx (Reply 7): I do wish that they could find a way to allow a limited number of people up there, maybe a lottery system or something.
Or simply selling tickets with a daily cutoff similar to the Washington Monument. There's a good model for them to use.
Quoting Aloges (Reply 8): Oh sheesh... couldn't they just put up signs telling everyone how extremely, terribly dangerous that stairwell is, and that no one should ever use it for safety reasons?
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