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Statue Of Liberty Crown To Be Closed Forever....  
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2917 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

today the new york park service announced that the statue of liberty crown will remain closed indefinitely. It has remained closed since 9/11 and todays decision puts further debate on this to rest.

Looks like the terrorists win........

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/a/a0/Statue_of_liberty_crown.jpg


short summary of every jewish holiday: they tried to kill us ,we won , lets eat !
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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

btw the pic above is what people visiting the crown would have seen years ago.


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2522 times:
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This really pisses me off.

Although I don't agree that "indefinitely" means "forever" it really chaps me that they can't just run metal detectors and bomb dogs across the line to get to the crown.

Some bureaucrat should be fired for this simplistic and counterproductive decision. It was a cowardly decision.

I'm willing to take the risk. Open it up.



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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Sadly this one goes down as a win for terrorist tactics and sends a message a weakness as far as I am concerned. I managed to make it up to the top in the summer of 2000 and it was a great experience. I hope some day that they will reconsider this...

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

The problem is that the access to the crown is very limited to a narrow staircase system. If there was a need to evacuate the statute due to a possible terror attack, a fire or other emergency, it would be near impossible to do so in timely and safe fashion. It also cannot be made to comply with the American with Disabilities Act, although it could get an exemption. While sad in one way, I wouldn't see it as the "terrorists winning". Demand at peak times also limited the numbers of people that could go up and that meant long lines and a lot of frustrated people at peak times.
I remember going to the crown as a kid back in the 1960's and the view was quite special. A good alternative is to take the free Staten Island Ferry from Battery Park, and place your self at the part of the ship facing Manhattan. On a nice day it is quite a view.


User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

This is painfully ironic. One of the great symbols of America's freedom and liberty is closed to its own people by the government in a police-state-dictatorship-like move.

It seems like the terrorists did win.

EDIT:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
The problem is that the access to the crown is very limited to a narrow staircase system. If there was a need to evacuate the statute due to a possible terror attack, a fire or other emergency, it would be near impossible to do so in timely and safe fashion. It also cannot be made to comply with the American with Disabilities Act, although it could get an exemption

The St. Louis Arch is the same way, but the NPS has kept it open. Hardly an argument on this point.

[Edited 2006-08-10 01:11:05]


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9337 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Civil Liberties are *SO* September 10th.


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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

As sad as it is, it was only a matter of time until it was closed anyway. Even before 9/11 the issue of access and evacuation had been raised. All it would have taken is someone panicing in that stairwell and you likely would have had someone trampled and hurt. I do wish that they could find a way to allow a limited number of people up there, maybe a lottery system or something. I really regret that I never got up there.


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8703 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2451 times:

Oh sheesh... couldn't they just put up signs telling everyone how extremely, terribly dangerous that stairwell is, and that no one should ever use it for safety reasons? And if still someone was interested in it, they'd go up at their own risk?


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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

Wow the terrorists are again winning.....Instilling fear in the gov't with out even launching another attack but using the memory of the last one.

GS



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2426 times:
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Not arguing here, just commenting on the facts.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
It also cannot be made to comply with the American with Disabilities Act

So because disabled people can't go up there, nobody should be able to? I hate PC stuff...

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
Demand at peak times also limited the numbers of people that could go up and that meant long lines and a lot of frustrated people at peak times.

Welcome to a popular attraction. Not patient enough to wait, go somewhere else or deal with it.



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User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

That's a real bummer!

I am not so sure about the terrorists winning, but they did play a role. Maybe it is just time to close the lady and admire her from a distance. She served her country...

F*ck Al Qaeda and the terrorists, I am not scared...

/M


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3079 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

Quoting Migfan (Reply 12):
F*ck Al Qaeda and the terrorists, I am not scared...

You may not be but...

the park service is...

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2917 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2364 times:

technically it isn't a building so of course they'll never be able to guarantee one's safety. But that dosen't mean that it should be closed of forever.


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Looks like the terrorists win........

Got to agree completely with that one.



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User currently offlineScintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2310 times:

Quoting ILOVEA340 (Reply 3):
Sadly this one goes down as a win for terrorist tactics and sends a message a weakness as far as I am concerned

My local lake in Dallas, Lake Lavon Dam has been closed since 9/11 for traffic driving across. I wonder who many people even know of this place? We tend to do a lot of dog and pony shows with the intent of sound good/ feel good and penalize the citizens and a job well done. We the People own the Statue of Liberty and that is what it stands for. This is Not the Statue of the Meek.



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2299 times:

Quoting Scintx (Reply 16):
Dallas, Lake Lavon Dam

Holla for East Dallas/McKinney..The crown was small in there. I nailed my head against the top. My dad snapped a picture 1 sec after it happend, so I'm frowning  Smile



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User currently offlineJ_Hallgren From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1507 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

I've never been over to the SOL, but was wondering about: Do they have any videos of what you would have seen going up to the crown? And maybe having a remote controled hi-quality camera positioned up there would allow visitors to "see" what they would have from up there...and allow them to "look" around as one does with some web-cams...


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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2163 times:

I had the fortune to go up to the crown twice since moving to NYC. Once in 1990 and again in 1998.

Both times I walked all the way up from the very bottom. Big grin

Both times the torch was closed.  Sad


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2159 times:

Dam. The one thing in NYC i'll never get the chance to see.  Sad  Sad  Sad


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User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Statue Of Liberty Crown To Be Closed Forever....

I first went there in 1997 and had the privilige to visit the crown. I found it a bit cramped, but the views were good. I was back up in 2001 (pre 9/11) and I thought it was even better, but my mum, dad and Aunt have always wanted to climb it but have never had the chance. Will you still be allowed to visit Liberty Island though??

JG



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
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Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 4):
Demand at peak times also limited the numbers of people that could go up and that meant long lines and a lot of frustrated people at peak times.

That's a BS excuse for them to use. If someone is willing to wait then they should get their shot.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 7):
I do wish that they could find a way to allow a limited number of people up there, maybe a lottery system or something.

Or simply selling tickets with a daily cutoff similar to the Washington Monument. There's a good model for them to use.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
Oh sheesh... couldn't they just put up signs telling everyone how extremely, terribly dangerous that stairwell is, and that no one should ever use it for safety reasons?

Not with our lawyers.....



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