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Wussification Of American Kids Continues  
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/08/08...parenting.protecting.ap/index.html

So first they ban dodgeball, then they have to give every kid little trophies even if they lost. And now they don't keep score in games. Our schools are breeding a generation of pansies that will grow up thinking life is fair and everything is owed to them. If a majority of people find measures like these ridiculous, why do schools keep doing this?


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User currently offlineMigFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
why do schools keep doing this?

To stave off lawsuits and keep parents happy.

/M


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3081 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

This is absolute bullshit. I hope my daughter is never exposed to this. Kids that succeed need to be recognized. Kids that fail need to be called on it so they can either improve or find something they can succeed in. Why preach something to kids that just isn't true about the real world?

Some people are good at some things. Others aren't. Face it, its life. Kids will rebound and get over it.


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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2678 times:

"Wussification Of American Kids Continues"

I think the scientific term is 'wussified'  Wink



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2674 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
Our schools are breeding a generation of pansies that will grow up thinking life is fair and everything is owed to them.

Not to mention never learning to deal with disappointment. My fear is that this will lead to even further violence in schools.


User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

This was certainly going on at my high school (1997-2001). We would have one or two big "award ceremonies" every year at which so many meaningless awards would be passed out that every student would have at least two or three by the end.

And to think that my and my friends' parents never understood why we didn't want to go (these ceremonies were after school hours).

-DrDeke



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 3):
"Wussification Of American Kids Continues"

I think the scientific term is 'wussified'

I believe the correct term that myself and my Polish mates used in the USA was "Pussyfication."

Gym class was always a treat when we played soccer even in high school in America. Myself and a bunch of Polaks, Serbs, Croats, Greeks and Russians specifically played always on one side against the Americans. It is not that some of them were un-coordinated as hell...almost all of them showed this "pussyfication." The gym teacher was yelling at us for tackling kids (legal tackles for the ball) and to not use any other languages because no one could understand us and it was fair. Of course we continued swearing in about 4 different languages at the top of our lungs and to each other across the pitch  Silly


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3355 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2626 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
So first they ban dodgeball, then they have to give every kid little trophies even if they lost. And now they don't keep score in games. Our schools are breeding a generation of pansies that will grow up thinking life is fair and everything is owed to them. If a majority of people find measures like these ridiculous, why do schools keep doing this?

Man I'm 22 and still like would play dodgeball if given the chance and the only reason that I wouldn't keep score in a sport is when we are too lasy to.

Quoting MigFan (Reply 1):
To stave off lawsuits and keep parents happy.

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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

These kids are being handicapped by the schools without even realizing it. Life comes with a variety of dissapointments and rejections. Learning to deal with it in a mature manner a valuable skills. I expect that this will lead to an increase in behavior such as suicide, road rage, and other behaviors that show a lack of self control and coping.


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Wussification breeds a "right to entitlement" society. Those kids are going to be in for a hell of a surprise when reality hits them square in the face.

Mark


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Within the last few weeks, there was a post or 2 concerning someone here that thought their boss was being mean. In the business world, it is common practice. With no experiance on how to achieve, outperform others, etc., how do we fare as a country in the future?


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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

This is idiocy in its purest form.

A few months after I moved to the United States (when I was 12/13) I reached the national level of an academic competition (I went again the following year). At all levels, they gave everyone a certificate, but only the winner got the "trophy". And most of my fellow students seemed to understand why the winner got it. So it can't be that difficult to start younger? Young children understand competition perfectly well, and that there is a reward for only those who succeed.

This sums it up perfectly:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9):
Wussification breeds a "right to entitlement" society. Those kids are going to be in for a hell of a surprise when reality hits them square in the face.



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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12220 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2578 times:
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Quoting JetsGo (Reply 2):
Kids that fail

Now now, it's deferred success Big grin



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Quoting MigFan (Reply 1):
Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
why do schools keep doing this?

To stave off lawsuits and keep parents happy.

You can't blame the schools. My ex is a teacher, and when she tries to give grades that her students actually earn, there is always some ass*ole parent ready to complain that it couldn't be precious Johnny's fault. The fact that he hadn't turned any homework in for the entire semester wasn't his fault - right.....

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9):
Wussification breeds a "right to entitlement" society. Those kids are going to be in for a hell of a surprise when reality hits them square in the face.

Mark

Couldn't agree more.


User currently offlineRAPCON From Puerto Rico, joined Jul 2006, 671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2533 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
So first they ban dodgeball, then they have to give every kid little trophies even if they lost. And now they don't keep score in games. Our schools are breeding a generation of pansies that will grow up thinking life is fair and everything is owed to them. If a majority of people find measures like these ridiculous, why do schools keep doing this?

Nothing that a good draft or long-term military service will not easily fix. Let the top sgt get a hold of those boys, and just watch the change.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
The gym teacher was yelling at us for tackling kids (legal tackles for the ball) and to not use any other languages because no one could understand us and it was fair. Of course we continued swearing in about 4 different languages at the top of our lungs and to each other across the pitch

...and then you had to play against us Hispanics, and we would proceed to kick your ass, take your lunch money, and screw your girlfriend.



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User currently offlineMEABeirut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2526 times:

That is sick! I am still in high-school and have never experienced this! I have won multiple academic awards and have busted my ass for them. Any one who has had anything handed to them needs a reality check...bad!

-Tim


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2522 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 9):
Wussification breeds a "right to entitlement" society. Those kids are going to be in for a hell of a surprise when reality hits them square in the face.

Most definitely true... My parents made damn sure I didn't have an "entitlement" attitude by simply handing me things when I was "old" enough... I didn't get my driver's license until my 18th birthday- my parents waited until I showed I was mature enough to handle such a responsibility. Believe me, it wasn't easy (who in high school doesn't want to start driving ASAP), but I knew I had to prove to my parents, who are taking major financial and safety risks letting me drive, that I could be trusted.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
You can't blame the schools. My ex is a teacher, and when she tries to give grades that her students actually earn, there is always some ass*ole parent ready to complain that it couldn't be precious Johnny's fault. The fact that he hadn't turned any homework in for the entire semester wasn't his fault - right.....

That is true. My stepdad is a teacher, and the most stressful part of his job is dealing with parents. The problem is compounded by the fact that the school is one that stresses classical academics and has families/parents with high expectations... Some people don't seem to understand that your child can't get an "A" if he didn't do anything in the class...

I failed my Pre-Calculus class 1st semester this year. Why? I didn't turn any homework in for over a month... I hauled ass after that, and was about 6 points away on my final from passing, but I knew that I most definitely earned and deserved the grade I got...



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 14):
...and then you had to play against us Hispanics, and we would proceed to kick your ass, take your lunch money, and screw your girlfriend.

Buahahah! Even a Ukrainian hooker knows not go around like a Mexican Ice Cream Cart on a childrens playground.

Last I remember, the Italians proceeded to kick ass not American, Puerto Ricans or Venezuelans.

Dont forget, Puerto Rican's are Americans buddy. If you were from Argentina I would take your statement with a little bit of more thought.


User currently offlineScintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting MigFan (Reply 1):
To stave off lawsuits and keep parents happy

Warning You May be Injured and not know it!! Call 1-800- Lawsuit. My question is did you have a helmet on when you wrote this. Do you know your rights?. I was once married to one of those bottom feeders. Guess who removed your diving boards? The list gets long and thanks to all of those fine folks saving us from ourselved and lining their pockests. This is one of our strongest industries and to bad we can't put it on a sea container and export it to China.



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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4382 posts, RR: 27
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 14):
Nothing that a good draft

Advocate of mandatory military service coming from someone who wouldn't serve under an administration he didnt like.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12):
Now now, it's deferred success

Yep, "Deferred Success." Definitely one of the sickest educational slogans I've heard lately. It reminds me of the Monty Python sketch:

Failure? No, no, no. No more failure for me, teacher. I'm off... To engage in DEFERRED SUCCESS! Pardon me, while I fly my AEROPLANE!



Quoting MEABeirut (Reply 15):
That is sick! I am still in high-school and have never experienced this! I have won multiple academic awards and have busted my ass for them. Any one who has had anything handed to them needs a reality check...bad!

Yeah, I thought it was pretty sick too when I was in high school. (Still do.) If I may ask, what country are you going to high school in? It really was sick in our public school system. It's not considered a "bad" system by any means, but the idea that some people might be smarter than others, or even more skilled at a certain subject than others, was VERY seriously frowned upon in our school system, and such ideas were generally not allowed to be expressed.

When I was a little kid and would beg my parents or grandparents to take me to the "Fun Factory" (the local video game arcade) and spend $1.00 worth of quarters playing Super Mario Brothers, I always noticed a rather lame video game in the arcade that nobody ever played. Everyone noticed it, though, because every few minutes it would pipe up and play back recorded statements such as, "EVERYONE'S A WINNER!!!!," in an excited, clown-like voice.

While it is true that, in my opinion, every human being has worth; it is really not true that "everyone's a winner" in the sense that everyone "wins" on average as much as everyone else, is as smart as everyone else, has as good luck as everyone else, or really most anything else. In an ideal world, everyone would be a "winner". But that's simply not the case in the real world in which we live. I think it's great to be inclusive in childrens' activities, and to an extent to force inclusion of others at a young age as a part of teaching courtesy and respect for other humans to one's children. But when it becomes a systematic scheme of trying to say that "everyone is exactly like everyone else in every way," it crosses from the realm of truth into that of lies, and the realm of the helpful to that of the harmful for children and their upbringing.

-DrDeke




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[Edited 2006-08-10 05:22:56]


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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
And now they don't keep score in games

Why keep score in first, second grade games? Or in t-ball? Or in flag football for really young kids? So that asshole parents can scream and yell and intimidate officials-or worse?

How often do we have to see fights at sporting events, be they school or otherwise, for young kids, where some parent who is trying to live his/her failed dream of glory through his/her child, goes off on another parent, or a coach, or an official.

Until they get into Junior High, I don't see the need to make ultra-competitive kids. All it has done in this country is breed spoiled, entitled parents, nothing else.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 2):
This is absolute bullshit. I hope my daughter is never exposed to this.

Yeah, I'm sure she'll be scarred for life...right.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 13):
You can't blame the schools.

I don't, nor do I blame Little Leagues, or Pop Warner, or any other organized sport for young kids. Don't blame the kids, people-blame their parents, who have dreams of $$$$$ in their head, and push and push and push, and critisize their kids when they make a mistake, or berate a coach for not playing their child, or threaten an official when they call a foul on their kid.

This isn't "wussification" of the kids. It's the result of idiot adults who can't see the game for what it is-just a game.

Let kids be kids. Not keeping a score in a 2nd grade flag football game isn't going to damage them when they get in the corporate world.

What utter nonsense.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 6):
Gym class was always a treat when we played soccer even in high school in America. Myself and a bunch of Polaks, Serbs, Croats, Greeks and Russians specifically played always on one side against the Americans. It is not that some of them were un-coordinated as hell...almost all of them showed this "pussyfication." The gym teacher was yelling at us for tackling kids (legal tackles for the ball) and to not use any other languages because no one could understand us and it was fair. Of course we continued swearing in about 4 different languages at the top of our lungs and to each other across the pitch

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Sounds like fun. Big grin

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 14):
Nothing that a good draft or long-term military service will not easily fix.

Actually the problem is the parents. Before they have children, they should be sent to the Marine Corps to Gunnery Sergeant Hartmann for a couple of years of basic training.  Wink Unless our resident Sergeant Major wants to re-enlist and get his hands dirty with them.  duck 


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3081 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 21):
Yeah, I'm sure she'll be scarred for life...right.

I dont care if she too thinks its rediculous, or if she is scarred for life. It is pure utter bs to take every kid and call them even. Isn't that somewhat similar to communism? The idea that everyone and everything is equal? Some kids do things better than others, and by winning/losing, kids are made aware of that. Fat kids most likely will not be track stars, while skinny, non muscular kids will not make very good wrestlers. It's life.


Chris



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4941 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting RAPCON (Reply 14):
Nothing that a good draft or long-term military service will not easily fix. Let the top sgt get a hold of those boys, and just watch the change.

While I don't think kids should be spoiled and pandered to, I don't think one has to go to that extreme... I don't even want to think what would happen if a draft was imposed at this point in time...



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25 AAden : nothing like a good old game of dodge ball along with a black eye to teach a kid about life
26 Post contains images Piercey : Hi, remember me? Hey whatever, I found a higher paying job with a boss that @ least treats me with respect (I don't care if your an arse, just show s
27 Migfan : I wouldn't go that far. Have you asked a Puerto Rican lately? Gym class sucked! I used to cut the hell out of that one. The ghost of columbine my be
28 BHXFAOTIPYYC : WASHINGTON, DC - Congress is considering sweeping legislation, which provides new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act (AW
29 DeltaGator : Beautiful! Cletus Federline could benefit from this one. My motto...second place is first loser. From that horrible movie "The Rock"...Losers always
30 Post contains images Clogman : Hahahaha!!!!
31 Post contains links MDorBust : Prepare for some spectacular meltdowns when these children who have never before had to pay the price of failure suddenly encounter it where the stake
32 MigFan : Nice, now Paris Hilton, Nicole Ritchie, Ryan Seacrest, and Kevin Fedeline have a purpose!!! C'mon Ted, you are just making the excuses for yourself i
33 MDorBust : It's an article from The Onion. No doubt it is just CYA because of the litigious society we have let develop. At what point do we stop the madness th
34 Falcon84 : That's a lot of testosterone-induced crap. That's all that is. Why do you NEED competitive leagues for 7 year olds? They're kids at that age, not fut
35 Post contains images Halls120 : I agree that most of the problem can be traced to parents. But kids want to keep score. Even in the second grade. I was in the second grade in 1959.
36 MigFan : I think legal precedent has to happen to the contrary. An astute judge who is not out to make a political name for themself has to say "enough is eno
37 MD-90 : Indoctrination at teachers' colleges explains it all...
38 MDorBust : Well, I was playing (and enjoying) competitive sports at the age of seven, and unless I was some sort of genetic freak I doubt it was very testostero
39 RAPCON : I did not serve, and will never serve, any administration that will not properly support me, train me, and provide the necessary equipment for the mi
40 Aaron747 : Who needs to beat the system when the system beats you before you get anywhere in life? So sad. Reason #323 I'm glad to be enjoying ex-pat income tax
41 MaverickM11 : Isn't that nice. Too bad the real world still has winners and losers. I've always said that it won't be terrorism that destroys the US, it won't be ec
42 Mdsh00 : This part is really true. Someone is going to keep score even if the teacher won't. Maybe, maybe not. My gut feeling is that these kids aren't going
43 Migfan : Didn't Quebec try to ceceed from Canada? /M
44 AGM100 : Great thread. I am in a situation with my son and daughter right now that is driving me nuts. The issue is the BS Karate class their mother signed the
45 Falcon84 : That we're in agreement on. Maybe the answer is to 1. either tell parents they cannot get demonstrative at all at games, or 2. just not let parents a
46 LOT767-300ER : We lost to 1 latin american team and beat 1. Ukraine got into the quarters so overall not that bad. Congratulations but you still only hold a US pass
47 Post contains images CastleIsland : Back when I was in elementary school, we played a game called "Kill the Guy with the Ball." Rules were simple - if you had the ball, everyone else tri
48 Post contains images AGM100 : My kids happen to be very respectful and well behaved. As was I all my life. But the thread is about the non challenge of our kids now adays. I do no
49 Nancy : How about if we teach our kids some manners? You shouldn't invite people to an event in front of someone who isn't invited. It shouldn't be legislated
50 Falcon84 : Come on Nancy, you know that's just more wussification. Yes, and the traditional Karate, as with any eastern martial art, is based on defense and res
51 Mdsh00 : Haha I remember that game. Although by the time I was in school, the name of the game was "Smear the Queer." Yes yes, I know the name is pretty offen
52 DrDeke : Err, yes, and Canadian citizens in Quebec "still only hold" a Canadian passport. What's your point again? -DrDeke
53 Post contains images BigOrange : Maybe they should start by ditching all the "Parent of an honor student at _________ school" bumper stickers. Not only would it save the school money
54 Migfan : There are a couple of kids on the block that beg their parents not to put one of those on their SUV/Minivan. Also, many parents have vinyl decals on
55 Halls120 : Concur. I always refused to put those things on my car.
56 Scintx : I totally agree with this. The problem I've run across is the parents need to be taught as well.
57 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Exhibit A, B, and C. This is why you're a liberal and I'm a conservative. But it's probably someone else's fault . You want to shelter minorities fr
58 LOT767-300ER : I made a comment about nationalities not race. Comment included him as an American.
59 MaverickM11 : That's a whole 'nother ball of wax and unfortunately I think Americans do not believe in manners. I think that has to be taught primarily by the pare
60 Falcon84 : No, I want kids to be kids and have some fun without their parents trying to make them the next MJ, by putting pressure on them in sp orts. They can'
61 Mdsh00 : It doesn't have to be just in sports. Academically kids also need to learn that they always wont get A's, and more importantly understand what CAUSED
62 Post contains links Senorcarnival : I can't believe this is now an issue: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=415320 So you can't walk the team's best hitter now to face a weaker batter? It
63 Santosdumont : I suppose. Although look at the 1980 Academy Awards. Are you gonna tell me that there was a "better" movie than "Raging Bull?" Well, according to the
64 767Lover : Exactly like my parents. And being that way was is the greatest gift they ever gave me.
65 Migfan : This may be an example of such a thing... My sister in-law has been coddled all of her life. Throughout school, her actions were not held accountable
66 MaverickM11 : Schools may have done away with team captains and the awkwardness of being that "last choice" but life has not, and never will. We all are the "last
67 Post contains images MesaMXORD : Man that game was fun. The sad thing is when the school makes it JonBenet Ramsey. I quit basketball after 5 years once my school had us practicing mo
68 Kiramakora : You were all playing in America. Didnt that make everyone American? Or, was this a big expat school. I am confused. Yes, entitlement society. I think
69 Santosdumont : ...and that's life. Kids will face plenty of rejection and similar character challenges in between classes and before and after school -- to say noth
70 Post contains links Falcon84 : An interesting article on ESPN.com that brings up this subject to an extend. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2549340 Again, do we want to
71 Coal : When will parents realize that, when it comes to kids, there's very few winners out there, and a whole lot of losers! Then again, this way it'll be ea
72 Falcon84 : I think most parents would take exception with how you phrased that. Most kids that I know aren't "Losers". There are some who are good at sports, so
73 Coal : Falcon84, Forgot to push the "On" button on your sense of humor this morning? I was raised to deal with dissapointment and to deal with the fact that
74 Falcon84 : When there's nothing to indicate a sense of humor, one figures none is present. Use some emoticons if you want to yuk it up. I've listened to him for
75 Coal : Clearly not. I recommend "You're All Diseased" from 00:28:50 to 00:35:30 Coal
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