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User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Hey, dudes and sporadic ladies.  wave 

I am in need of two things, preferrably in one package. I am getting a new video camera, and am planning on putting a lot of videos online, and also making dvd's for the family and friends.

I want a badass video editing software, and I don't mind paying the price for it. What software would y'all recommend? I want the works. I want things that are gonna take me years to figure out.  Wink What do the pros/advanced amateurs use?

Secondly, I have some old digital video files in various formats, and am looking for something to convert them to whatever format I choose. I would think that this would be bundled with the editing software, but you never know.

I guess y'all can tack on any recommendations for video cameras, as well. I want to spend $1500 or less, for a camera with widescreen filming, not too concerned with HD. I would like it to be as small as possible. Still images aren't necessary. What is the latest technology? Mini-DV?

Thanks bunches my friends. I guess my enemies can comment, too.  Wink

BAB  Smile


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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

If your on windows get the latest release of Avid or Adobe Premiere.
Avid is slightly more 'high end'

If your on macintosh, get the latest release of Final Cut Pro

Video camera: Try and get a second user Canon XL1S or Canon XL2. At my company we have 10 of them for various uses, and I can confirm they are fantastic.
Over here in the UK, the XL2s we bought were twenty four ninety nine (2499 UK)

If you can't afford an XL series, go for a Canon XM2

Alex


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Welcome to A.net PRGuy! wave 

Thanks for your input. I am Windows based, and have heard a lot of great things about Premiere. I haven't studied it yet, but I've seen plenty of good productions done with Premiere.

I'm a Canon loyalist, so I'm glad you've mentioned them. I know a bit about the XL1S and XL2. One thing I can say for sure is that they look like they mean business.

Also, I've seen a lot of them sold as second user on ebay, from legitimate sellers, with plenty of accessories for near(ish) my price range. Ultimately, this camera really is too much for me, but with a little arm twisting on my own behalf, it could easily find it's way into my gearbag. The only drawback I see with it is it's size. I also understand that with a lot of cameras, you compromise image quality and features for a more compact product.

How well does the image stabilization work? If it's anything like my 70-300 IS, then it automatically goes straight to the hall of fame.

Also, since the film is recorded in mpeg digital, I assume you don't lose any image quality when transferring the film to the pc?

Thanks again,

BAB Big grin



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User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Thread starter):
I want a badass video editing software, and I don't mind paying the price for it.

While that statement still holds true, I just checked, and Adobe Premiere is going for about $800 U.S.  no 

I'ma have to find another editing solution  yes 

BAB rotfl 



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 3):
While that statement still holds true, I just checked, and Adobe Premiere is going for about $800 U.S.    

I'ma have to find another editing solution

Then you need iMovie, the smaller brother of Final Cut Pro.

Your requirements above would point to a MacPro (4*3GHz) with Final Cut Pro - but a MacBook / iMac / Mac mini with iMovie and iDVD (both come as standard with the computer) are probably more in reach...


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 2):
Welcome to A.net PRGuy! wave

Thanks bud

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 2):
I'm a Canon loyalist, so I'm glad you've mentioned them. I know a bit about the XL1S and XL2. One thing I can say for sure is that they look like they mean business.

Good. Canon's are stunning. These are fabulous. The stabilisation on the lense is fantastic and the built in features are second to none at that price range. As I said, being in the business I am, we have had a hell of a alot of experience with both the XL1S and XL2 and, yes they are brilliant
We do editing and production for our clients day to day, and we use Final Cut Studio, and no, Klaus, we haven't ordered the MacPro yet, even though you were suggesting it to BaylorAirBear.

I can only recommend the XL1S or XL2. Some second user lots on eBay are a very good buy.
If possible, try and find one that has the metal canon case, lense protector, and dont go for one with any body damage on it at all.
Alex


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1676 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 5):
We do editing and production for our clients day to day, and we use Final Cut Studio, and no, Klaus, we haven't ordered the MacPro yet, even though you were suggesting it to BaylorAirBear.

I was mostly joking. The "big iron" makes sense primarily when you're working on real-time projects or on major HD productions as far as I can tell. The "normal" machines should certainly be good enough for almost everything else.


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1664 times:

Okay, okay. I went out and got a copy of Adobe Premier.  banghead  Adios, rent money.

Talk about intmidating software, it matches my specs too perfectly! The only thing I've figured out how to do is import video. Oh well, I've got plenty of free time at work to get to know Premiere better.

Now, I'm off to sell a kidney so I can 1) buy a camera, and 2) hopefully have enough left to pay my rent.

Thanks again for y'all's suggestions.

BAB Big grin



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User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1664 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 7):
Talk about intmidating software

You should try Avids highest program, or Final Cut Pro 5  Smile
Crazy stuff


User currently offlineVenezuela747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1429 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

The best machine for video editing are Macs. At my high school we had a video a video editing class were we ran the daily announcements, we used macs. Now in college, we have a lab targeted for editing multimedia, it's all macs.

Mac all the way.....you might want to get started by trying out iMovie, but if you want a really bad ass movie editing the Final Cut Pro HD is the answer, and it is not that hard to use and once you get into it you can do some pretty sick stuff. It runs for over $3000 for the whole package.

May I also suggest Cinema 4D, it is probably the best of the best in creating 3d animations/logos, then you export them as quicktime and into your movies. Run a google image search for cinema 4d and you'll see the kind of quality work you can do. Be warned, it is expensive and it will take you years to get good at it, but you can do crazy stuff on it. It took me over a month just to learn how to create a simple text and camera movement logo.



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User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Thread starter):
I want a badass video editing software, and I don't mind paying the price for it. What software would y'all recommend? I want the works. I want things that are gonna take me years to figure out. What do the pros/advanced amateurs use?

I'm a happy Adobe Premiere Pro user, I'll only say that it is really worth to learn how to use this piece of software ! you won't regret it ! See my profile to see my filming/editing work. For editing DVD (eg menus, submenus, chapters) I use Adobe Encore DVD and to make special effects like lightsabers to my childrens I use Adobe After Effects , it's really fun.

Regarding the video camera, I had the opportunity to chat with a XL1S user who was filming aircrafts at the Polderbaan in AMS. He had an impressive tripod and the whole thing (camera+tripod) was heavy... but needless to say, the lens and IS and the camera itself is outstanding !! Now if you gonna use it for family and friends shooting, well I would take something more handy.

Regards,
Alejandro



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User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined Mar 2001, 529 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

I have used the Canon XM2 before and I have to say the picture quality is great. As the camera is a 3 CCD the quality of the colours is much better than a normal CCD camera.
At the moment I am using a 1999 Sony DCRTRV410E which is a normal CCD camera that is aging a bit. But it does its job so there will be no need for a new camera for the time being.

There are 4 main video editing stuff that I use. Adobe Premiere, Avid, Mac video editor, Windows Movie Maker.

Windows Movie Maker is the program to use if you just need to tidy up you video ,removing some of the video that you don't want in your finishing product. The title maker is ok. Other than that it is crap.

Mac video editor is the program to use if you want some more that is offered in Windows Movie Maker. It is easier to use than Movie Maker and you can do alot more with it and interesting enough that some of the best films/movies around has some bits of the movie edited with the Mac video editor program.
I would recommend this to people who likes to do light to moderate video editing.

Avid is the high end editing program which is used worldwide for TV and film/movie editing. If you like professionally looking videos this is for you. You need a high powered machine and loads of RAM other wise the program would crash. I don't recommend this program for anyone who is not use to video editing.

Adobe Premiere is somewhere between the mid-high end range editing program. It is also used for some TV and film/movie editing work. Almost any computer even low powered ones can run on Premiere but it takes longer to render the video.

What I think
Movie maker: Simple to use limited editing tools.

Mac video editor: Simple to use quite a nice program to use.

Avid: Is a pain in the ass compared to Premiere as it doesn't always open some types of video formats. Then you need loads of RAM to run the program.

Adobe Premiere: A very nice program to edit videos on. But I have to say that its not beginners friendly because of the range of editing tools. You need to get use to the tools etc to use is effectivly and make some great videos.


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User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 3):
While that statement still holds true, I just checked, and Adobe Premiere is going for about $800 U.S.

I'ma have to find another editing solution

Look into Sony Vegas Movie Studio & DVD







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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 11):
Mac video editor: Simple to use quite a nice program to use.

What are you referring to? There is no such thing as "Mac video editor".

There are actually three video editing programs from Apple themselves (all three support High-Definition video):

iMovie HD: Comes with every Mac.
Final Cut Express HD: Professional video editing.
Final Cut Pro: High-end video editing.

Many TV stations use Final Cut Pro for their productions, and so do many movie studios.
There is additional infrastructure for professional productions as well: Final Cut Studio

If you wanted to know what the high end hardware from Apple can be used for, that is the answer...!


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