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What Would The US Response Have Been Today?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3459 times:

Watching the news today, I couldn't help but wonder what the US response would have been had these terrorist acts been carried out...I can barely fathom the thought of ten trans-atlantic flights being downed, it would have been similiar in casulaties to 9/11 but probably much worse in effect.

And in this case, there would be no address to attack back...It's not like after 9/11 where Afghanistan was the refuge of the terrorists and was a natural country to attack in response. The only thing I could see the US having done is stepping up plans for regime change in Syria and Iran. What else could we have possibly done in response to a massive terrorist attack by Muslims of British origin?

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21423 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
And in this case, there would be no address to attack back...It's not like after 9/11 where Afghanistan was the refuge of the terrorists and was a natural country to attack in response.

Of course there'd be a return address. You find out where the terrorists recieved aid, training or shelter, and deal with those countries appropriately. Just like 9/11.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3445 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
You find out where the terrorists recieved aid, training or shelter, and deal with those countries appropriately.

Let's see now, that would be the U.K.



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
that would be the U.K.

So the US had no input?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 3):
So the US had no input?

My point is that you can't always blame governments for the actions of their citizens.



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3421 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
My point is that you can't always blame governments for the actions of their citizens.

Well it didn't come across that way


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21423 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Let's see now, that would be the U.K.

I'm pretty sure the UK did not train, shelter or give aid to them. If the UK knew about them and had turned a blind eye, then I think some sort of response (not necessarily military) would be appropriate. Obviously, that's not the case.

But when you have international terror networks, there is more than one country involved. The UK isn't the only player in this.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 5):
Well it didn't come across that way

My apologies.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
I'm pretty sure the UK did not train, shelter or give aid to them.

Then why did you suggest that we:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
deal with those countries appropriately

The implication was that wherever these people came from, their home countries should be "dealt with". Well, they were U.K. citizens. The implication was clear.



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
I'm pretty sure the UK did not train, shelter or give aid to them.

I'm afraid that due to our lackadaisical approach we may well have given shelter and aid


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

There would have been a response, but not immediately, as with Afghanistan. It would have taken some time to find out where this originated-although I think most of us with a shred of sense have a good idea where that could be.

If it could be determined, then God help whoever did it, be it simply Al Qaeda, or if it were someone like Iran.

With this president in office, it would have been a massive response.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13005 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

I think first of all, all flights in/out and around the USA would have been grounded or forced to land immediately, just like 9/11. All airlines in the air would have told everybody they absolutely cannot leave their seats, even to go to the bathroom, even if several hours of travel until landing. Everyone upon landing would have to be screened as the left the aircraft, perhaps on the taxiways. Beyond that is unthinkable.

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4506 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Whether we want to believe it or not the UK has become a sort of a nerve centre for Islamic terrorism through both British appeasement and in some ways, the unintentional fostering of it: or at least, providing the sea where militant Islam can swim. It's hardly surprising that such an attack was conceived and planned out of the United Kingdom. They don't call it Londonistan for nothing.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21423 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
The implication was that wherever these people came from, their home countries should be "dealt with". Well, they were U.K. citizens. The implication was clear.

That was certainly not my intent. As you said, governments cannot be held responsible for the actions of their own citizens - they can only be held responsible if they willingly allow those actions to take place. I think it should be clear that the UK does not willingly allow terrorists to operate in the country. Doesn't mean that the UK is terrorist-free, but they are actively hunted down, and those that are caught are dealt with strongly by the authorities, which is really all one can ask for.

Other countries in the world, however, do willingly allow terrorists to operate within their borders, and I'd be shocked if there wasn't some connection between at least one of those countries and the plots today. Those are the countries that would need to be dealt with.

-Mir



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User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2704 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Stop and think this through for a second. If 10 trans-Atlantic flights drop off the radar scopes at aproximately the same times, well of course the administrations of many countries would know that "something" had happened. But WHAT exactly? Would they suspect bombs? Suicide bombers? Bombs on timers (a-la-Lockerbie)? Much would have depended if any Mayday calls had gotten out in the seconds between explosion and crash.

Right now we know what these arseholes were planning. But if it had happened, then EVERYTHING would have been pure conjecture till some sort of factual answers could be found. Look at how long it too to find out what exactly happened to Air India 20 years ago when it disappeared off the coast of Ireland. It was months before they put the story together, and that was mostly because of the Narita Japan explosion that gave them the hint.

And even when the truth finally came out, what could the USA do? Well lots of huff and puff and rhetoric, but bomb England.... hardly!!!


User currently offlineSchoenorama From Spain, joined Apr 2001, 2440 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
If it could be determined, then God help whoever did it

Why? I think we all agree 9/11 was Bin Laden's job, yet he's still 'alive and kickin'. Didn't Bush promise to find him?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
With this president in office, it would have been a massive response.

He would probably invade Iran, despite the fact that (now) there appear to be links to Pakistan.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
Other countries in the world, however, do willingly allow terrorists to operate within their borders, and I'd be shocked if there wasn't some connection between at least one of those countries and the plots today.

Well then, why don't we do that. Identify and contain. Nip this stuff in the bud. Don't let it spread around the world.

Name names. Name a few of "those countries" you're sure are financing and encouraging this behavior and what should be done.

Give specific examples, please.



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User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3322 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
Name a few of "those countries" you're sure are financing and encouraging this behavior and what should be done.

The Bush administartion is financing Israel.


User currently offlineRobertNL070 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 4530 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 9):
due to our lackadaisical approach

I read that the arrrest of these 21 suspects is the culmination of months of intensive surveillence by the police and MI5. New intelligence gathered in the last few days precipitated their arrest.

The fact that they are UK born-and-bred terrorists is extremely insiduous.

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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

What a great question, unfourtanalty the "enlightned" world would no doubt blame the US and Israel first. That being said, the sane world would hopefully unite enough to bring pressure on the Islamic governemnts to act.

Although given the current pasivist wave of thought blinding most of Europe and the left wing most likly nothing would happen.

We should know by now that the Arab world will of course condem the action to the press while dimissing it as the fringe. It is time that the muslim governemnts do what they need to condem and act against the ideas of the Jihad.

Another thought would be for the west to be united enough to issue a warning to the Arab League/ muslim powers. " In the event of another attack on the west by agents working in the name of Islam". The western governemnts wil hold stricktly responsible ... ( a list) A/B/C/D. The Western coalition will reserve the right to act against these governemnts as warranted and in balance to the level of damages recieved.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3281 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 19):
That being said, the sane world would hopefully unite enough to bring pressure on the Islamic governemnts to act.

Against ... whom? Let's be upfront about this. People keep talking in whispers about a boogie man that needs decapitating. Name it/him.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21423 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 14):
Right now we know what these arseholes were planning. But if it had happened, then EVERYTHING would have been pure conjecture till some sort of factual answers could be found.

Good point.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 16):
Name a few of "those countries" you're sure are financing and encouraging this behavior

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the two big ones in my mind. Dealing with them is difficult - Pakistan is a nuclear power and Saudi Arabia has the magic liquid. There's no quick military solution for dealing with them, there's going to have to be long-term diplomatic pressure in place for them to get around to changing things.

There's obviously going to be an investigation into this, and more specifics will become available. But Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are the two countries I'm worried about most, with Iran behind them. But at least we're being tough on Iran.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3265 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are the two big ones in my mind.

Okay, in your first post you suggested there would be an appropriate "return address".

What, in your opinion, is an appropriate return address against Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for today's events?



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

Thank god these guys were stupid. I can't believe terrorists would try the aviation route again with all the securities. Liquid explosives? These guys were geniuses, like security hasn't thought of that before. Hopefully the media will forget about this one because airlines are suffering enough, the last thing they need is cancellations from customers because of concern from something that didn't happen.

User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3244 times:
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Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
You find out where the terrorists recieved aid, training or shelter, and deal with those countries appropriately.

Let's see now, that would be the U.K.

No...I don't think that the UK is where they came from. They ran there just like they ran here. There are some UK born radical Islamists, but the majority are people who emigrated there to take advantage of the system.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
deal with those countries appropriately

The implication was that wherever these people came from, their home countries should be "dealt with". Well, they were U.K. citizens. The implication was clear.

I'd say the home countries are the ones the radical leaders came from.

The UK has hamstrung itself with political correctness, like us in many ways, and has allowed extremist mullahs and imams to preach violence and hatred while claiming protection and even welfare benefits under UK law. The authorities there have worked to prevent this, but it's difficult when they're accused of racism every time they work to put down the psychos.



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25 Cosec59 : You seem to have missed the point. These individuals were by no means stupid.They have once again brought the threat of terrorism in the skies back t
26 AeroWesty : Well let's be honest here. Whom do we go after. Those who give direct or indirect aid and protection?
27 Emirates773ER : Quoting BBC here: "A senior Pakistani security official told the AFP news agency that Pakistani intelligence agencies helped British authorities foil
28 Leskova : For more reasons than the relief of not seeing news reports about several airliners downed by bombs, I am glad that we will - in all likelihood - not
29 Falcon84 : You could be right. Sounds like someone, this time, got some good intel, or so it seems. And it could have saved lots of lives.
30 Haggis79 : Leskova, welcome as the first user on my R/U list.
31 AirWillie6475 : Unless they live in France or Germany, people don't really need to be reminded. Hopefully these guys were nothing more than amateurs because, liquid
32 Banco : No, they're not. This is the frightening thing. I've posted elsewhere that British race relations have always been viewed as a beacon for how to do i
33 VSLover : this really sorta throws the whole bush concept of "were fighting the terrorists over there so we dont have to fight them here" out of whack, no?
34 AirWillie6475 : You guys need to protect your own country, you want us to protect you too? That was a statement ment of our country.
35 Post contains images BMIFlyer : A nationwide groundstop / aircraft grounding Lee
36 DL021 : I don't think so. We have responded to this threat by doing precisely what we're doing. I'm pretty sure you're kidding here, but others sometimes jum
37 VSLover : oh, sorry. i'm in the US/and American--I just like the scottish flag.
38 AeroWesty : Hmm, so what do we bomb the hell out of over there? (I expect either a list or having someone say I forgot to see the sarcasm in it.) Earlier people
39 Cosec59 : The US protecting any country other than their own? I don't think so. This world will be a much safer place when Bush is retired
40 DL021 : I say we bomb the military airfields of Iran pour encourager les autres. Tell them that for every terrorist attack the rest of the world suffers we wi
41 Post contains links Jaysit : So, it appears that Bush and Cheney knew of these planned attacks . . . LAST FRIDAY. http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060810...britainattacksairline_0608
42 Haggis79 : And what if we found there just IS no country that funded this plot? I mean, the ingredients for building liquid explosives are easily available in y
43 Post contains images BMIFlyer : Yes, i'm kidding Lee
44 JpetekYXMD80 : The group was under surveillance since December. Apparently, they hadn't even booked their tickets yet. It seems pretty ignorant to think that the au
45 Banco : Because they wanted to catch all of them. So they were tracking them until they were forced to make a move to ensure public safety. I do not believe
46 Jaysit : And you have evidence that today's bizarre happenings were created by Syria and/or Iran? Or are we again using the Iraq war evidence standard? Or are
47 Jaysit : Hon, the last person who spoke French in Iran was the hapless Shah and his fabulous wife. Gosh, those really were the days. The lovely Farah Diba was
48 Halls120 : Not only do I believe we would NEVER ask the UK police to base their take down decision on US politics, the Brits would be the last ones to do it if
49 Jaysit : Exactly. Iran doesn't use its airfields to influence its vassal organizations (Hamas, Hezbollah, etc.). What they do is twist an already twisted ideo
50 DL021 : I guess the irony of my statement, nor the "almost serious" quote was lost in translation. I was implying that by acting as terrorists ourselves and a
51 AirWillie6475 : Shows how much you know.
52 JpetekYXMD80 : No, you don't understand the statement...and the guy is living in America.
53 Haggis79 : well then we should most probably do what we did with the Taliban... even though its a non-win situation, as the current situation in Afghanistan cle
54 Schoenorama : I don't think there are really any targets of opportunity, as you call them. As happened with the London bombings on 7/7 and in Madrid, it is very we
55 AeroWesty : One of the commentators on TV the other night said that support within Lebanon for Hezbollah went up from 20% before this skirmish to 90% today. I co
56 N174UA : I see the point you're trying to make here. We should have hit Iran from the air FIRST, before Iraq, and then move into Iraq after that. Pakistan...n
57 Haggis79 : and what would you think to achieve with that "good bombing"? Apart from pushing even more people into the arms of the preachers of terror and hatred
58 Leskova : If, for a change - not that it's happened that way before - there were actual proof, really conclusive evidence and not something that some just want
59 SAS330GOT : Someone probably answer this but on the hand you have the beautiful seamless integration of the races. The UK should be proud of the equality that th
60 Schoenorama : Anti-terrorism wise, hitting Iran is completely counterproductive. Absolutely the same can be said about Iraq or any other country one wishes to 'hit
61 Halls120 : This thread reminds me of the old Randy Newman song, "Political Science." How do you take away their support base without resorting to violence? We'v
62 Chksix : A major problem with the "appeasement" way is that the suicide terrorists belong to a faction that has the goal of destroying everything that isn't f
63 ANITIX87 : disclaimer:: BEFORE I START MY RANT, LET ME JUST SAY, FOR ALL YOU CRAZY AMERICAN SENSATIONALISTS, THAT DESPITE THE FLAG ON MY PROFILE, I LIVE IN THE U
64 Baroque : I know that someone I respect picked holes in that statement but I think you are correct. If something similar were planned by half the folk on this
65 NAV20 : Surely what comes out of this, overwhelmingly, is that the only way to 'fight' terrorism is police work? From accounts I've read, the British uncovere
66 Schoenorama : By not bombing the hell out of a nation in order to turn it into a democracy (Iraq). By not punishing an entire population for the actions of just a
67 Baroque : You are correct and there are a number of answers. In western societies, it is essential that religious schooling be restricted to the point where a
68 ANITIX87 : AMEN! Couldn't have said it better myself. Welcome to my RR List, I'm glad to see someone else here has his head screwed on correctly. TIS
69 SAS330GOT : You took the words out of my mouth. I agree 100%. Welcome to my R/U list. And to make another argument as answer for the same question. Look at the U
70 ANITIX87 : I'm an American and I agree with everything you have to say. This thread is adding a LOT of people to my RU List!!! TIS
71 Baroque : Ma culpa that should have been "if I was you, I would NOT have tried to get there from here!" Sorry about that. In other words, if you want to libera
72 Jaysit : Miranda Priestley's response . . . to TSA Agent. It just baffles me why all of a sudden, everyone has to follow these new... rules. You just got finis
73 Post contains links Schoenorama : Honestly, I don't think they run a "terror network" as you call it. They might have done so in the past (pre 9/11), but now they have adopted a diffe
74 Post contains links Schoenorama : Latest news: "Pakistan: Afghan al-Qaida link to plot The Pakistani government today said there were indications of an "Afghanistan-based al-Qaida conn
75 Leskova : I obviously worded that badly (a bit of playing devil's advocate) - those "lax laws" are the foundation the democracies we live in; they're the ones
76 SAS330GOT : Same here. I think These type of conversations really shows who is thinking or not. That is a riot. You are right on. The Devil she is. But I am not
77 Halls120 : Agree with everything above except for the last statement. As much as I favor democracy over dictatorship, just how do you suggest we change Saudi Ar
78 Post contains links Leskova : Still haven't found out who said it, but I found a document giving a hint from which general direction it comes from: http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/ip/g
79 Halcyon : I'm beginning to think along the lines of "screw it." As in, screw them. So. They die and they are martyrs. Then so be it. I think these people need t
80 SAS330GOT : But with there beliefs they do not fear death. That is one of the fundamental differences. American soldiers can go out on a battle field and fight t
81 Halcyon : Oh, I'm sorry I value it too much. Well, it's better than having 11. 10 crazies and one being fed. Very good in fact. Let them see what it's like to
82 Post contains links Schoenorama : By not putting our economical interests above the freedom of the people of Saudi Arabia, to name just one. The only reason Saudi Arabia and its leade
83 Post contains links Baroque : We might be in agreement there Schoenerama, I was not at all prescriptive in what might or might not be in their cookbook for budding terrorist head
84 Post contains links Baroque : Moir at the Sydney Morning Herald seems to think along the same lines as those who wondered when the coalition of the Ws would start on Pakistan: http
85 ANITIX87 : Exactly. I guarantee a terrorist would be much more terrified of spending years in a jail cell getting involuntarily sodomized by some big guy named
86 Halls120 : That might be a wonderful slogan, but not very helpful in the way of practical advice. Are you suggesting we should stop buying Saudi oil? All well a
87 Baroque : [/quote] This is getting me confused. Some of OBLs strongest opponents as well as some supporters would favour Sharia law. What is it that you think i
88 Post contains images Halcyon : Lol. I know. I'd simply be much happier with making them dead. We should give it a shot, pardon the bad pun. And it's not fear, it's annoyance. And a
89 Halls120 : Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems to me that the number of states where islam is the primary or only religion and there is true separation of church a
90 SAS330GOT : Thank you for pointing me in the right way, and the correction, I was not sure of the specifics. And I want to direct props to everyone who has poste
91 Post contains links and images Schoenorama : I am suggesting we should stop buying Saudi oil at all costs. You'll probably think that is a stupid idea, but the majority of U.S. Foreign Policy ex
92 Halls120 : I don't think it is a stupid idea. I think it is naive and misguided. Do I wish we weren't dependent on foreign oil? Yes. Do I believe that if we sto
93 Baroque : Islam now is not unlike the Catholic church's relations with states before the reformers came along - you remember how popular they were at the time
94 Post contains links NAV20 : Felt the same way when I heard that NATO - as always, mainly the British - were taking over from the Americans in Afghanistan, Baroque. First of all,
95 Post contains links Schoenorama : Why is it naive and misguided? I believe that with a broad international coalition one would be able to put enough pressure on Saudi Arabia to finall
96 Post contains images Halls120 : I do. Which is why I'm not particularly thrilled at the number of Muslim states where it is hard to tell where religion ends and the state begins. So
97 SJCRRPAX : What I think would happen is the U.S. would vote for a new president in a few years. The new president would probably take an isolationist approach, w
98 Schoenorama : Iraq Oil Embargo, that's a nice euphemism for something which was anything but an embargo. Iraq was actually allowed to sell oil in return for goods.
99 Halls120 : I do remember it. I also remember Iraqi tankers running the blockade with "illegal" oil. Which someone was buying. And to avoid starting a whole new
100 Baroque : It is all because my uncle's generation is well and truly gone, and Blair obviously does not believe in reading. My Uncle fought on the NW Frontier a
101 Schoenorama : No we won't, not because it somehow is inconvenient but because the "Iraq Oil Embargo" was anything but an embargo. We were disputing the effectivene
102 Halls120 : You are correct. It was a piss-poor embargo. My point in referring to it, however, was not to gauge its effectiveness, but to illustrate the reality
103 Baroque : I think you might find they attacked both. The US for supporting Israel, Saudi for allowing US troops into their country and maybe to hint to the Sau
104 Halls120 : While there is no doubt as to the former, there is a grain of truth in the latter, sadly.
105 Post contains links and images Schoenorama : Apples and Oranges! That's what you are comparing. Leaving aside that it wasn't even an embargo, the "Oil-For-Food" program was a UN Security Council
106 Halls120 : The agreements themselves might be "apples and oranges," but the integrity and self interest of the individual states would be the same. Let's see if
107 Schoenorama : The whole problem with you comparison with the "Oil-For-Food" program is that it was used by certain nations to obtain totally different objectives.
108 Halls120 : Sure I can. Because I'm not comparing the programs, I'm comparing the response to programs that call for a similar outcome - the agreement among coun
109 Post contains links Baroque : Along the lines that RJ and Schoen have been discussing, Bruce Schapiro of Salon.com fame commented on an Aus radio program today that the situation h
110 Post contains images Schoenorama : South Africa? It's Apartheid's regime. Or the OPEC boycott back in '73? The latter clearly indicates that Saudi Arabia has some experience with boyco
111 Baroque : Not as far as we know. Bruce S has a weekly slot on a program called Late Night Live run by Philip Adams. Adams referred to his audience (of one) as
112 Halls120 : You are avoiding the issue. Everyone agrees we all need to reduce our use of foreign oil. I asked where economic sanctions alone have ever worked. Yo
113 Baroque : The one muslim dictatorship by another bit. Are you talking about Iraq invading Kuwait? If so, you need to be a bit careful, Saddam appealed to Islam
114 Halls120 : The reference was indeed to Iraq invading Kuwait, because I've been advised that the reason 9/11 happened was because the US had troops stationed in
115 Baroque : Well it is not a very accurate reference IMHO. The Iraq army was certainly not Islamic, and Saddam rarely adopted the pose, I guess there is an inter
116 Schoenorama : I've never stated economic sanctions alone have ever worked. Yet that doesn't mean that it can't be done. The issue is not the kind of sanctions, the
117 Halls120 : Again, you have to read all the posts of this threads to understand the context. In short, here is how it has gone. Schoenorama noted that one of the
118 Pyrex : Sounds like a great idea... bomb two Shia countries with no serious links to Al Qaeda to punish the actions made by some British-born people who proa
119 Post contains links Schoenorama : I do bother to read your questions. Heck, I even answered them. I South Africa was just one example; I gave you two. That you didn't like that second
120 Post contains images Halls120 : I asked for situations where specific economic sanctions actually worked. Neither example you offered meet that requirement. what else does Saudi Ara
121 Post contains images Schoenorama : So the 1973 Oil Boycott which heavily affected the West's economies was NOT an economic sanction? Economic sanctions aren't limited to exports alone,
122 Baroque : Ah Pyrex, your talents are being misused, you should be employed in the targeting departments of some militaries that we know about. My only complain
123 Post contains images Halls120 : the 1973 OPEC oil boycott was aimed at punishing the US and Europe for their support of Israel following the Yom Kippur war. A real successful boycot
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