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Nuclear War Starting In 10 Days?  
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2944 times:
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Our world is on the brink of another world war. It will originate August 22nd in the Middle East. The prediction was presented not by Vagna or Nostradamus but by an American political scientist Bernard Lewis in the acclaimed publication of Wall Street Journal. He is a man with close ties to the Bush administration as well as to the non-conservatives pushing for the radical solution of the “Iranian Threat.”

http://english.pravda.ru/hotspots/co...cts/11-08-2006/83898-Nuclear_War-0

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Very Unlikely.
22nd August we will know.NO ONE CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2856 times:

What could occur is Iran sending a or several long range missiles into Israel, but with conventional explosives. Even that would be a huge message especially if a number of Israelies were killed and could really screw things up in the middle east. It could also mean Bush and his Neo-cons bombing Iran and it's nuke facilities. Then it could really be WWIII. Maybe if we are lucky if Iran is stupid enough to do this, their missiles will blow up at launch, over Iran or maybe are a little short of hitting Israel. Apparently the Aug. 22 date is close to the date when Saliman conquored Jeurilsim about 1000 years ago, which set off the Crusades.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
What could occur is Iran sending a or several long range missiles into Israel, but with conventional explosives. Even that would be a huge message especially if a number of Israelies were killed and could really screw things up in the middle east. It could also mean Bush and his Neo-cons bombing Iran

Even in your deluded scenario Iran, which is not now a combatant, sends missiles to Israel and YOU find some way to be hostile toward Bush over it.

Do you begin to comprehend how biased, how blindly pro-Islamoterrorist, anti-US that is? You cut Iran a freebie on bombing Israel and blame us. Your bias greatly exceeds most of the comments I've heard from Lebanese on this forum and THEY have valid reason to be aggrieved at this moment. I don't believe that you do.

You do realize that there is a time-honored tradition of nations having mutual defense pacts don't you? Do you understand that if Iran fires missiles over the top of Iraq and Syria toward Israel that is an act of war?

Damn betcha there will be a response to such a mad-dog act of stupidity as that.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2794 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
What could occur is Iran sending a or several long range missiles into Israel, but with conventional explosives. Even that would be a huge message especially if a number of Israelies were killed and could really screw things up in the middle east. It could also mean Bush and his Neo-cons bombing Iran and it's nuke facilities. Then it could really be WWIII.

Nonsense.

a) Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

b) WWIII would require some of the major powers standing on different sides. That would simply not happen, as none of the major powers would actually side with Iran.

If Ahmadinejad was actually that stupid, it would result in major damage to Iran, possibly a counter-revolution unseating the Mullahs due to fed-up iranians having enough of the nonsense and a loss of power on the islamist side.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

Iran doesn't care if it's destroyed as long as it's in the name of Allah. Destroying the infidels is all that matters.

Mark

[Edited 2006-08-11 20:26:13]

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3590 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
Even in your deluded scenario Iran, which is not now a combatant,

While I agree with your overall point SamClick, I would have to point out that with reports of Iranian Revolutionary Guards being killed by Israeli soldiers fighting in Lebanon, Iran could be considers as a combatant now.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
a) Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

I agree, but many countries have been known to do supremely stupid things.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
b) WWIII would require some of the major powers standing on different sides. That would simply not happen, as none of the major powers would actually side with Iran.

I also agree here, but then we do not know what side France will come down on yet.
 Big grin

(Yes, that is a little bit of a topical joke for those of you with no sense of humor)


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Iran doesn't care if it's destroyed as long as it's in the name of Allah. Destroying the infidels is all that matters.

Nonsense.

Rethorics and actual intentions are two very different things, and a large portion of the iranian population is only rolling its eyes about Ahmadinejad's antics.

The mullahs are on their way out - they've lost much of their actual power already; The civilian and - yes! - democratic society which has been developing in Iran has undermined their domestic standing to a much larger degree than you seem to be aware of.

Most iranians simply want to live in peace, without corruption and without those annoying revolution guards.

Ahmadinejad had promised to fight the widespread corruption (similar to Hamas, actually!). I'm increasingly suspecting that the fight isn't going so well, so he needs a diversion from the domestic problems... Ever heard of that kind of tactics?  mischievous 


User currently offlineMigfan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2733 times:

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
an American political scientist Bernard Lewis in the acclaimed publication of Wall Street Journal.

Driving stock prices through investor speculation.  stirthepot 

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

I don't think Iran cares. I think they want us to make the first move, and encite a global jihad, which will have a nuclear escalation.

/M


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2720 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.

I was thinking along the same lines, and so I found the actual article. Here's a link to the OpinionJournal of the Wall Street Journal:

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768

All these predictions of the apocalypse come across as somewhat melodramatic and often silly, but the article is rather well-written, and even if nothing happens on August 22, there are still some salient bits of information mixed with opinion in the article.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 7):
I also agree here, but then we do not know what side France will come down on yet.

They'll surrender as usual.  Wink I think they would be at a difficult crossroad but in the end would not side with Iran.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.

Wasn't that TASS? Or were they just the news service who published articles in Pravda?



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
So you believe Pravda, the official propaganda organ of the communist party of the Soviet Union.

What year is the calendar in your world? Mine says 2006 and the Soviet Union has not existed for almost 15 years. Plus this Pravda is not the same paper as the old CPSU paper, as the original Pravda was shuttered in 1991 by Yeltsin.


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 1):
22nd August we will know.NO ONE CAN PREDICT THE FUTURE

I can predict one thing.... I turn 19 that day. :/



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User currently offlineSkyman From Germany, joined May 2006, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Ahmadinejad had promised to fight the widespread corruption (similar to Hamas, actually!). I'm increasingly suspecting that the fight isn't going so well, so he needs a diversion from the domestic problems... Ever heard of that kind of tactics?

 checkmark 
Very well observed Klaus. Nonetheless don´t underestimate the power of the mullahs.
WWIII will not start on the 22nd. Total nonsense. Iran will not make that mistake and declare war on Israel.


User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
It could also mean Bush and his Neo-cons bombing Iran and it's nuke facilities.

I could take that in aleast two different ways: (1) that using such weapons that they are being accused of having will render them worth disarming. (2) to any equally sensitive individual, bringing Bush and the tag 'neo-con' (which to be honest I don't know what that is but is sounds like a simplification of a larger word and thus is a nickname and probably not a welcome one at that) would incite emotionally-charged arguments. Because you used what I see as name calling with the 'neo-con', #2 will occur more often than #1. Heck, what if it isn't about what is on the surface, what if there is more to it? I realize I am more or less talking to myself, but some of you really should try to put your emotions (what you believe and how you feel) ASIDE.

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Iran doesn't care if it's destroyed as long as it's in the name of Allah. Destroying the infidels is all that matters.

Not every country has what we supposedly are in the US, that the government is represented by the people. I doubt all democratic elections are the same around the world such that there is equality among voters. Don't go making what can be seen as generalizations unless you know for sure, logically not emotionally. What I replied to LTBEWR applies to you too.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Nonsense.

a) Iran would be supremely stupid to make itself a legitimate retaliation target.

You'd think that, but then appareantly, wether there were WMD's in Iraq or not was irrelevant - we still went in. Technically, Iran doesn't have to do anything, we will still go in to disarm them as they are a precieved threat and that is all that matters. I do however wait for the rhetoric to apply to North Korea.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 4):
Do you begin to comprehend how biased, how blindly pro-Islamoterrorist, anti-US that is?

I got the sense of dislike with the neo-con tag but the 'pro-Islamoterrorist'...you might know more than I do. I figure he used a nickname and other previous information to justify his thinking, so may have you. I feel both of you felt they way you see things were obvious. Some people feel any situation regarding Israel or the Mideast will eventually involve the US or that people look to us for the next move. I do see the 'neo con' tag as useless as he assumes we know something, i.e not being specifc. What I replied to LTBEWR also applies to you.



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Rethorics and actual intentions are two very different things, and a large portion of the iranian population is only rolling its eyes about Ahmadinejad's antics.

which matters not one iota, because the general population has exactly zero influence on government policy and actions.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
Wasn't that TASS? Or were they just the news service who published articles in Pravda?

TASS was the official news agency, Pravda (together with Izvestia) their main means of publishing that "news" (read: propaganda).

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12):
Plus this Pravda is not the same paper as the old CPSU paper, as the original Pravda was shuttered in 1991 by Yeltsin.

The core systems of the USSR are still in place. The president there is a former general in the KGB, the armed forces still fly under the red banner of the Soviet era.
No, the communist empire is far from dead. The bear is just hibernating and is starting to wake up again after a 15 year slumber in which it has seen its enemies weaken itself to the point where they can no longer defend themselves.
The plans of Stalin are coming to fruition in fact, Stalin himself predicted this turn of events with the USSR organising its own demise (while in fact just shedding the appearance of communism while retaining the essence) to fool NATO into disarming and make themselves an easy target.
The grand maskirovka is almost complete.



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User currently offlineDeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

Quoting Lehpron (Reply 15):
I do however wait for the rhetoric to apply to North Korea.

The difference there is that NK has neighbors with influence in DC, Iraq does not and who's fault is that?

We will not act unilaterally in NK because of SK, China, and Japan. Funny how none of Iraq's neighbors raised a fuss isn't it?



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 16):
which matters not one iota, because the general population has exactly zero influence on government policy and actions.

Wrong. Any populist is heavily dependent on how the population thinks about his show. Ahmadinejad may be radical, but he's still an elected radical. If he's perceived as more trouble than he's worth by the voters, he's out of there!

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 16):
The plans of Stalin are coming to fruition in fact, Stalin himself predicted this turn of events with the USSR organising its own demise (while in fact just shedding the appearance of communism while retaining the essence) to fool NATO into disarming and make themselves an easy target.

Sure. And the positively desolate state of the russian army is just part of the plan, right?  crazy 

Don't get me wrong, I'm heavily suspicious about Putin's methods and intentions, but tin foil hats actually don't help you thinking clearly, whatever "they" may have been telling you...!  hypnotized 


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2045 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
If Ahmadinejad was actually that stupid

It's not that he is stupid.

He just doesn't care. His main goal in life is to see the end of Israel. If he dies doing it, he really could care less being that he believes his reward after life will be well worth it. This man is sick.

I personally, will not be sleeping come August 21st.

Hopefully I'll check in on the 23rd and say I was wrong.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24923 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
could really screw things up in the middle east

It isn't screwed up already?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 8):
Nonsense.

You don't remember your country's history?



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User currently offlineLehpron From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 7028 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2401 times:

Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 17):
We will not act unilaterally in NK because of SK, China, and Japan. Funny how none of Iraq's neighbors raised a fuss isn't it?

Apart from Kuwait, how many of Iraq's neighbors griped/knew about what was going on there? What we may see as genocide others may see it as quelling an uprising. Still, what is NK's leader going to do if we decide to remove him from power? They recently tested a rocket, but I hear it didn't make it all the way; so if he ordered a nuke launch, it wouldn't get anywhere unless they fixed bugs...

I'm sure we have just about all the information we can of them without going in there, right? Say two or three seal teams of 4, going in, take him out without making a big Iraq'ish scene.



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2364 times:

Nonsense...

Exactly the same with June 6, 2006. The media was hyping 6-6-06 would be the "end of the world" and some people believed it.

Guess what...the earth didn't explode, nor did anything supernatural occur.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 19):
It's not that he is stupid.
He just doesn't care. His main goal in life is to see the end of Israel. If he dies doing it, he really could care less being that he believes his reward after life will be well worth it. This man is sick.

He's a populist first and foremost. I have my doubts that his statements are all actually his exact beliefs.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 19):
I personally, will not be sleeping come August 21st.
Hopefully I'll check in on the 23rd and say I was wrong.

That would be end-of-the-world scenario about, what, #1395? Why should it fare any "better" than its 1394 predecessors?

Unless the author has found a way to engineer this announced doomsday himself, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it at all.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
You don't remember your country's history?

Silly knee-jerk responses like that go beside the point. Superficial similarities are certainly there, but those were not really decisive before nor are they now.


User currently offlineSwatpamike From United States of America, joined May 2004, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2344 times:

Hello all

Quoting Clickhappy (Thread starter):
Our world is on the brink of another world war. It will originate August 22nd in the Middle East.

Darn, I better move my trip to London up by 2 weeks.

Cheers

swatpamike


25 Pulkovokiwi : Think I will stay in the cave that day. Better stock up on baked beans.
26 Gilligan : Folks, what does occur is that LTBEWR makes one inflamatory post and then exits the building. Why bother responding to him at all? I have for the las
27 LooneyToon : OHHH NOOOO WE"RE ALLL GOING TOO DIEEE!!! RUNN FOR COVER!! oh wait, how can we run for cover if we are all doomed anyways?
28 YYZflyer : Highly unlikely, There is not going to be a nuclear war, there's not going to be World War lll. Niether on August 22. Whatever-if anything-happens on
29 LTBEWR : By 'neo-cons' I am refering to Neo-Conservitives, which include VP Chenny, and several close advisors to Bush. The include those whom encouraged the P
30 Post contains links NAV20 : The part of the article that astonishes me is where it says, "It seems increasingly likely that the Iranians either have or very soon will have nuclea
31 CastleIsland : So do you mean on August 22nd, or ever? WWI was touted as the "war to end all wars." Then we had WWII. So, is there ever going to be WWIII? It just s
32 Post contains links NWDC10 : I'm affraid Mark is right. http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=205731 Robert NWDC10
33 Pulkovokiwi : I am sure if you asked the ordinary Iranian he wouldnt agree with you.
34 Post contains images Levent : August 22nd? Hmmm... we´ll be in Kuala Lumpur then. Well, I guess I could try to get an upgrade on Lufthansa, as it will be my last flight...
35 Post contains links NAV20 : Roosevelt and Churchill foresaw that, CastleIsland, and therefore determined to set up the United Nations to prevent it. The stumbling-block was, of
36 SW733 : Are you saying that as long as it falls short of killing innocent Israelis, it's ok if it falls short and kills innocent Iranians, Iraqis, Jordanians
37 DeltaGator : So says the German. Ha! It's so easy to forget your history when it doesn't fit your argument. Rhetoric and intentions led to a lot of deaths at the
38 NAV20 : DeltaGator, why do guys like you live in the past all the time? From your profile you're a Southerner. So presumably, not all that long ago, your own
39 DeltaGator : Because if you don't remember the past you are doomed to repeat it. Read on. I'm not saying that the Germans will do the same thing again like they d
40 LTBEWR : No, that would be bad and wrong too, and hopefully they would land in uninhaibited areas, but better than them landing successfully in Israel. It wou
41 Post contains images HAWK21M : Why a World war.What would constitute the opponents.IRAN v/s the Rest. regds MEL
42 NAV20 : Debated whether to put this on and thought I might as well, since it's possibly 'real-time' information. I have a bit of a 'hot-line' to the Middle Ea
43 Damirc : This is exactly what makes the situation so volatile. If they feel that they are going out anyway - they will have less inhibition to use any means p
44 CO7e7 : Well, if the Isreali cabinet votes positively on the UN resolution tomorrow.. then there will be a seize fire.. right? Well, let's hope this will hap
45 Klaus : Your problem is that you seem to know little else than the most superficial aspects of the nazi era. While I agree that Ahmadinejad is dangerous, kne
46 Post contains images Swatpamike : Hello all I hope this does not interfere with the BHM shooting meet on Nov 4-5. Maybe the very fact that there will be A.neters shooting guns will mak
47 N174UA : Hope not...I want to at least see Italy first...I leave two weeks today, and I promise a trip report for my first flights on US.
48 Cedarjet : Oh sweet Jesus. Is it 1989 already?! How long have I been asleep?
49 Post contains images HAWK21M : Almost 18 years beyond   Thats why the Elders always said "Avoid that Rock above" regds MEL[Edited 2006-08-13 11:45:36]
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