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Stephen Harper: The No-Show Prime Minister?  
User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Harper chooses Arctic over AIDS
PM speaks of sovereignty in Nunavut, critics say missing forum `not excusable'
Aug. 13, 2006. 01:00 AM
CHRISTOPHER MAUGHAN
STAFF REPORTER

He couldn't be farther away without leaving the country.

Up to 22,000 researchers, patients, and caretakers convene in Toronto today for the opening of the 16th International AIDS conference, Prime Minister Stephen Harper will be north of the Arctic Circle, touring a military base.

From: http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Con...2188492&col=968793972154&t=TS_Home
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I have to agree with Stephen Lewis, that this is a dreadful mistake in political judgement. The Arctic is always going to be there for Harper to visit while the AIDS conference will only be for a week. Harper should be at the conference.

Your thoughts?

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User currently offlinePhotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2748 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

I'd tell you what I think of Stephen Harper as Prime Minister and a PC politician, but if I did so I'd be permanently banned by this forum.

As a politician and leader of my country.... what a waste of oxygen!

As a neo-con right wing idealogue.... passable.

Value of his ideas for Canada.... $1.00

Voting him out of office at the next election.... PRICELESS ! ! !


User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

"I've asked time and again why he isn't coming, and the answer I keep getting is that he doesn't want to be booed," he said.

It's not a good excuse, for sure. The fight against AIDS is way too important to miss this conference. However, I do understand why some conservative politicians don't go to these events. They know that most participants have a political agenda too and many of them won't show some elemental courtesy to the politicians from the other side of the spectrum. President Bush had a similar experience with the NAACP meetings. They kept inviting him to the very same gatherings where they attacked him and his policies. If you hate him so much, why do you want him in your meeting?

It's a pity.


User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1838 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Arctic sovereignty?!? The only time we have ever had land disputes in the north are with the Danish (Greenland). Does he really think that Denmark is going to invade northern Canada for a hunk of ice floating in the Arctic Ocean?!? Mr. Harper has to get his priorities straight, or he will find himself in need of a job, come next election. The AIDS conference is indescribably important compared to this.

Quoting Photopilot (Reply 1):
I'd tell you what I think of Stephen Harper as Prime Minister and a PC politician, but if I did so I'd be permanently banned by this forum.

As a politician and leader of my country.... what a waste of oxygen!

As a neo-con right wing idealogue.... passable.

Value of his ideas for Canada.... $1.00

Voting him out of office at the next election.... PRICELESS ! ! !

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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

I wonder when Harper will finally reveal his secret plan to privatize health care. I have suspicions that he wants to do just that.

I'm not a big Harper fan, even though he's a Conservative. (And, for that matter, just because someone is Conservative (or conservative) doesn't mean that I would approve of him.)

It seems that Harper has a lot of convenient excuses these days for any possible faux pas.

[Edited 2006-08-14 02:27:03]

User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1838 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):

Good to see an American following Canadian politics.

I agree with you that Harper probably wants to privatise health care. But will he be able to? I doubt it. It is too much of a dividing issue, and he won't be able to pass anything by the Liberals, Bloc and NDP.

IMHO, the best thing Harper has done in his term so far is set our country up for a nice, long Liberal government, and a stronger showing by the NDP.


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

I support Harper, hell, I even voted for him, but it is definatly a mistake not to be at the conference. He could always make an appearance during the week I suppose, but I doubt it at this point.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
I wonder when Harper will finally reveal his secret plan to privatize health care. I have suspicions that he wants to do just that.

He'd be an idiot to try that here. Even though I'm not against the idea providing it has the ability to keep the public health care system operational. Personally, I tore all the ligaments in my ankle and partially tore two tendons in the ankle a couple of weeks back, the doctors told me that I would have to wait 7-8 months for surgery, so I figure I'll go down and get it done in Texas and just stay with family for a while, sure it'll cost me, but at least I'll be walking sooner.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1673 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 5):
I agree with you that Harper probably wants to privatise health care. But will he be able to? I doubt it. It is too much of a dividing issue, and he won't be able to pass anything by the Liberals, Bloc and NDP

I agree it would be very divisive. Polls consistently say that a strong majority of Canadians would oppose the privatization of health care.

And I do think that his minority government would be at risk, particularly from the NDP, if he were to propose it -- at least without the proper "sanitizing". It would be relatively easier, however, for him to introduce his program by dribs and drabs, causing subsidized health care to die the death of a thousand cuts. And perhaps this is what he would do.

He could easily say that a parallel program that encourages private referrals would fulfill the Canadian Supreme Court's mandate for better health care, for example. And then, in years hence, the "lessened need" for public health care would be used to justify cutbacks in the public system. And so on.

He's a pretty crafty fellow, and he presents a very moderate face. He and his "wise men" have learned the lesson of his predecessor, whom I think a lot of people found, frankly, scary.

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 5):
IMHO, the best thing Harper has done in his term so far is set our country up for a nice, long Liberal government, and a stronger showing by the NDP.

And, Harper has done his party no favors through his statements regarding the Israeli-Lebanese conflict.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
He'd be an idiot to try that here. Even though I'm not against the idea providing it has the ability to keep the public health care system operational.

That seems quite reasonable.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
Personally, I tore all the ligaments in my ankle and partially tore two tendons in the ankle a couple of weeks back, the doctors told me that I would have to wait 7-8 months for surgery, so I figure I'll go down and get it done in Texas and just stay with family for a while, sure it'll cost me, but at least I'll be walking sooner.

I'm sorry to read of your condition, and I wish you a speedy recovery.

[Edited 2006-08-14 02:53:29]

User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1838 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1666 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
And I do think that his minority government would be at risk, particularly from the NDP, if he were to propose it -- at least without the proper "sanitizing". It would be easy for him to introduce his program by dribs and drabs, causing subsidized health care to die the death of a thousand cuts.

Yes, but his minority is already at risk. I doubt that he would even try any means of privatisation.

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
Even though I'm not against the idea providing it has the ability to keep the public health care system operational.

I also am not fundamentally against the partial privatisation of health care. I would be more in favour of a tiered system, but only if it was a very careful process, with support from the majority of Canadians.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
And, Harper has done his party no favors through his statements regarding the Israeli-Lebanese conflict.

No, nor has he gained friends in his party by re-opening the gay marriage debate. Many of his own party are questioning this, even though they are against same-sex marriage. Notably Deputy PM Peter MacKay (con.), and Cabinet Minister Loyola Hearn (con.) have voiced their concern about re-opening a finished debate. Harper is running his own agenda, and seems to have no concern for the opinions of Canadians, or even his own party.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

Have I already mentioned that I did not vote for Harper? What a dumb*.

Here's a "boo" to him, if he reads a.net forums from way up north.


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):

I'm sorry to read of your condition, and I wish you a speedy recovery.

Thanks! I manage to get around on the crutches, but I sure wouldn't mind playing some sports in the near future.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4307 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1557 times:

Quoting Boeing744 (Reply 3):
Arctic sovereignty?!? The only time we have ever had land disputes in the north are with the Danish (Greenland). Does he really think that Denmark is going to invade northern Canada for a hunk of ice floating in the Arctic Ocean?!? Mr.

Not Denmark, the United States has threatened Canada militarily over the Arctic.



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User currently offlineMattRB From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1624 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Have to wonder how many would've derided his appearance at the AIDS forum as a photo op..

No win scenario.



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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1838 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 11):
Not Denmark

There have been minor land disputes with the Danish also.


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