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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 808 times:

Ok, now that the Christian right has supposedly one this battle, how many think it was worth the millions spent to save an ugly cinder block cross rather than if we spent the money to build a true war memorial?

Think how great the memorial would have been without the obvious religious tone it holds and if a proper memorial was designed.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060814-1350-bn14cross.html

For a pic of this thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Soledad

[Edited 2006-08-14 23:46:11]

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 796 times:

Think how this is the third thread on this subject in 6 months and you could get the answers to . . .

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Thread starter):
how many think it was worth the millions spent to save an ugly cinder block cross rather than if we spent the money to build a true war memorial?

. . . and this . . . .

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Thread starter):
Think how great the memorial would have been without the obvious religious tone it holds and if a proper memorial was designed.

. . . by doing a little search and rereading the other threads and saving us all the headache of retaking old terrain.


User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 790 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Thread starter):
ugly cinder block cross

Yea, it may be, but it's a great visual aid for us VFR pilots here in the So-Cali area. I say keep it up just for that reason.

[Edited 2006-08-15 00:04:53]


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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 781 times:

I did a search and it took about 5 minutes to come up with...nothing.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 772 times:

My search took less than 30 seconds . . . .




The San Diego Cross Stays - For Now (by ANCFlyer Jul 4 2006 in Non Aviation)#ID1282230

San Diego Ordered To Remove Cross From Memorial (by AGM100 May 22 2006 in Non Aviation)#ID1229712


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 765 times:

Well, I guess that someone needs to do some more factchecking prior to posting....

also...most war memorials contain significant religious symbolism. Most veterans care about that, and the memorials are to honor the fallen. That's why you'll see crosses and other religious symbology on the markers for the dead.



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 762 times:

.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Thread starter):
Think how great the memorial would have been without the obvious religious tone it holds and if a proper memorial was designed.

Think you much better your life would be if you would stop beating dead horses and leave the memorials to the veterans.

Signed,
The Non-Christian right


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 714 times:

One, the thread listed above are archived.

Two, this is new as since the previous post this has passed its way through congress and President Bush has signed for transfer

Three, Everyone made the assumption it was built as a war memorial. The link above states otherwise. It became a war memorial 17 yrs ago as away to defeat litigation.

Four, It is still an ugly structure. If this was the Statue of Christ, a beautiful structure, I would not have a big deal with it. Still have an issue, but could be swayed.

Five,

Quoting Aerobalance (Reply 2):
Yea, it may be, but it's a great visual aid for us VFR pilots here in the So-Cali area. I say keep it up just for that reason.

This is probably the best argument I have yet to read.

Six, Looked at most war memorials in D.C., and did not see a large religious symbol on most if not all of them.

Seven, If you dont like this thread....move on. Otherwise discuss how this made it all the way to the President or some enlightenment to the topic at hand.

Eight, when will NW retire the MD....

The main question I have is, now that this is being transferred is it possible to build a very nice, beautiful structure in its place or is it now locked in from alteration?

[Edited 2006-08-17 04:23:05]

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 705 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
Everyone made the assumption it was built as a war memorial.

No we didn't.

It is a war memorial. As in.. Now. I don't care what it was when it started life.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
Four, It is still an ugly structure.

Then it is perfect for soldiers.


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 702 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 8):
Then it is perfect for soldiers.

WOW, never thought I would agree with you. Im assuming you said this statement with repect.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 700 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
One, the thread listed above are archived.

And are less than three months old, and easily accessible with a SHORT search, as I demonstrated.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
Two, this is new as since the previous post this has passed its way through congress and President Bush has signed for transfer

Good . . .

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
Three, Everyone made the assumption it was built as a war memorial.

INcorrect. I guess you didn't read the links provided did you. Or you'd know better.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
Four, It is still an ugly structure. If

Opinion. Everyone has them, some of them suck.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
Six, Looked at most war memorials in D.C., and did not see a large religious symbol on most if not all of them.

I guess you should GO to the Memorials in DC . . . where'll you see crosses and the word GOD all over them . . .

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
Seven, If you dont like this thread....move on.

There is that option . . .

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
Eight, when will NW retire the MD....

 laughing 

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 7):
The main question I have is, now that this is being transferred is it possible to build a very nice, beautiful structure in its place or is it now locked in from alteration?

No idea . . . I think it's fine the way it is . . . I have no particularly affinity for the cross . . . in whatever form, but I don't see it necessary to change it for the sake of change.


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