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If Gore Had Won The Election....  
User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1475 times:

Hi there!

Found this article highly entertaining. Have a look:

Al Gore discovers himself

Nov 15th 2001
From The Economist print edition

What would it have been like if Al Gore had won last year's election?

THIS has been a truly remarkable week for President Al Gore. The Taliban is in full retreat in Afghanistan. Vladimir Putin has agreed to scrap more than two-thirds of Russia's nuclear weapons, fulfilling a dream that Mr Gore has cherished since he first went into politics. And Congress stands poised to pass a giant stimulus package. No wonder the president's approval rate stands at a stratospheric 87%.

It seems almost churlish at such a time to bring up the little matter of the 2000 vote. But after last November's disputed election a consortium of conservative newspapers, led by the Washington Times, decided to pay for a recount of all the Florida votes. A million dollars of Richard Mellon Scaife's money and thousands of man-hours later, these Republican geniuses have proved what we all knew already: that the election was damn close. If Mr Gore had followed the advice of some of his more cynical advisers and concentrated on counting the votes in just four Democrat-controlled counties, rather than doing the honest thing and calling for a recount of all the votes in the state, he would have lost to George Bush.

After September 11th, Al Gore at last realised what God put him on earth to achieve

Can you imagine it? Mr Bush has gone into semi-retirement in Austin, his limited abilities as Texas's governor taxed by a legislature that meets only every other year. But the mere thought that he might have been president sends shivers down the spine. This is a man whose idea of foreign travel was to visit a barrio or two when he wished to appear “compassionate”, and who would have conducted foreign policy from behind a Maginot Line of missiles. There is every reason to believe that, after September 11th, a President Bush would have struck out blindly at Osama bin Laden, perhaps even using nuclear weapons.

Which all goes to show how sensible the American people were to choose a man with real experience. Mr Gore has brought a remarkable set of skills to the present crisis, honed by a lifetime in politics and eight years in the vice-presidency. His “golden Rolodex”, as one commentator has called it, has been invaluable to his building of a grand alliance against terror. He used his close personal relationship with Mr Putin to bring a reluctant Russia into the war, fundamentally changing the whole pattern of geopolitics. He used his ideological ties to Tony Blair, forged at many a seminar on the Third Way, to turn Britain into a bedrock of support. It is fair to say that Mr Gore has not one secretary of state but two: the indomitable Richard Holbrooke and the ever-loyal British prime minister.

The mention of Mr Holbrooke points to another extraordinary fact about the Gore presidency: the quality of the people he can call on. It is no exaggeration to say that Mr Gore has the entire brainpower of the country, from Washington think-tanks to the Ivy League universities, at his disposal. And there are few brains as acute as the secretary of state's.

Mr Holbrooke is one of the most experienced diplomats in the business. Mr Gore credits him with getting Germany wholeheartedly to join the anti-terrorist campaign, thanks to his time as ambassador there. But in some ways Mr Holbrooke still has to come into his own. The very qualities that make the secretary of state so unpopular in polite circles—his abrasive self-importance, his absolute confidence that he is right on matters big and small—make him a giant when it comes to negotiating with primitive warlords. He knocked heads together with extraordinary success in Bosnia; he will do the same thing in Afghanistan.

Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle
Mr Gore's extraordinary knowledge of Washington has been more of a mixed blessing in two other areas. The first is military strategy. The president has been a military buff ever since he became a congressman back in 1977. But his encyclopedic knowledge of warfare—and his iron belief in his own abilities—have inevitably led to clashes with the Pentagon. The generals grumble that Mr Gore wanted to control where every bomb was dropped, and that the result was a much more hesitant start than necessary to the war.

On the home front, Mr Gore was furious at the way the anthrax outbreak threw his administration into confusion. He could not understand why the Centres for Disease Control did not know more about the illness. He was apoplectic when he discovered that the FBI did not even know which laboratories in the country were licensed to produce the stuff. Yet his decision to put himself in charge of a special task-force has failed to produce results. Even more unsatisfactory has been his handling of the question of airport security. His remarks that those Republicans who oppose federalising security workers are “Neanderthals with the blood of the American people on their hands” is hardly likely to produce compromise.

Mr Gore's habit of micromanaging events is clearly his biggest weakness: a weakness that has been made worse by the decision to put Vice-President Joseph Lieberman (who had aroused much wrath on the Arab street because of his Jewish background) into a permanent secret location. But all this pales into insignificance beside Mr Gore's secret weapon during these dark days: his discovery of his true self.

The strongest criticism of Mr Gore has always been that he does not know who he is. Throughout his career, he reinvented himself to suit the mood of the times. In his first run for the presidency, he presented himself as a champion of the business-minded New Democrats; in his second run, he campaigned for the people against the powerful. All this left the impression that he had no hard centre, but was simply playing at politics in order to appease his father's ghost.

All this changed on September 11th. The collapse of the twin towers gave this extraordinarily restless and energetic man the task he has been seeking all his life: the war against terrorism. Al Gore at last knows what God put him on earth to achieve.

The thing is, the bits I understand are rather true... (even though most of the names apart from Gore don't exactly ring a bell in my knowledge of the American political sphere) To be honest, the first thing I thought and feared when the attacks happened and the dust settled, was that Bush would probably unleash an incredibly violent war on the first suspects and possibly several Islamic nations. Thank god he did not.

Never underestimate the power of all the advisors...



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User currently offlineJsf119 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1453 times:

thank god al gore wasnt president he wouldnt do anything just like bill clinton didnt do anything. if gore were presdent we would be in real trouble even if he did bomb he would be listening to the liberal media and pull out by now thinking we have won.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1446 times:

Whoa, never thought of that before. The Arab world's support of the coallition against Bin Laden has been luke-warm at best with Bush - imagine how much support the U.S. would have if Lieberman were V.P. The Taliban would be putting all sorts of propaganda to the tune of "The V.P. is proof that the U.S. are in the Jews' pocket", and a lot more uneducated muslims would actually have bought it.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

Pulled out, my ass.

We never would've even gone in had Gore been elected, much less be in a position to pull out (I would just like to comment here as well that I wish Mr Gore Sr. would've "pulled out" as well).

We would've been begging for THEIR forgiveness for "creating an opportunity" or "offending their culture" or some other bullshit Politically Correct rhetoric.

Instead, he would be gathered in some empty field somewhere, home to the endangered "California red bellied barking spider" or something like that talking about the environment.

And then Gore would've come back and chastise us for not doing away with the internal combustion engine; these planes wouldn't have existed for this to happen in the first place.

User currently offlineHeavymetal From Ireland, joined May 2015, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

The conservative gloating over how fine their man looks ...which he does....is to be expected.

The sad part is the gloating is getting to a point where you're all sounding like you're almost glad 9/11 happened, if only to make George look good and the ghost of Al a nifty joke.


User currently offlineHeavymetal From Ireland, joined May 2015, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Wow. That last post says oodles.

User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1423 times:

Rajno1: Is this a joke? Who else should never be allowed to hold a position of power in the US government? Muslims? Blacks? Chinese-Americans? Native Americans? Atheists? Catholics?

That comment was tasteless and sickening in its blatant racism.



User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

On who's behalf? Don't even go there.  Big grin

"Shaddap you!"
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

Why SHOULDN'T we allow a Jew to hold high office? I mean if he is qualified and has the will of the voters, I can't think of a good reason why he/she shouldn't be there.

Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Those Muslim peasants in Afghanistan don't vote in our elections. They don't pay our taxes.

If they have a problem with it, then oh well. Tough schidt. And if they ACT on that "issue", then all I can say is stand by for the consequences.

User currently offlineRajno1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1422 times:

The other categories you define are okay, but lets face it, jews (as a race - not individually) have pissed off pretty much everybody at one time or another, so they represent a figure of hate across the world.

User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (13 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 1408 times:


So have, let's face it, Catholics (crusades), Turks (Osmanian Empire anyone?), Germans (WW2), Italians (Roman Empire, Mussolini), Americans (Native Americans wiped out), Chinese, Russians, .....

That is such a BS argument. If you look back at history, no one group of people has managed to behave with decency over a prolonged period. Not one.

The figure of hate across the world is not a Jew. There is no such thing. But for the thing I hate the most, it is racists, and people prejudiced founded on nothing but nationality, colour, languag, or any other quality shared by billions of people.



User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40298 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (13 years 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

I think Al Gore's choise of Joseph Leibermann as VP shows that would have made bold moves. I think that showed a lot of character on his part. This certainly helped him in getting coverage from the media, but may have cost him votes among those who feel the same as Rajno1. I think that is sad that people would feel that way about someones race.
Sure Mr. Leibermann was a bit too religious for me but I still voted for him and Al Gore. Big deal, Joseph Leibermann doesn't use a blender on Friday night's for religious reasons!

As far as the situation following the 9/11 attacks, there would be NO DIFFERENCE how Gore or Bush would handle this. Gore has stated on the record that he supports GW Bush 100%.

Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 31
Reply 12, posted (13 years 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 1382 times:

Wow, I hope you were pulling some cynical joke - if not, you don´t belong here (here meaning earth).

Now I´ll lean back, zip open a can of beer and enjoy watching you being torn apart by Toda,reisinger et alter...

By the way, Judaism is not a race, it´s a religion.

User currently offlineWhistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 1372 times:

No wonder this guy hates Jews, hes from Syria!

Looks like somebody is bitter over 1948, 1967, 1973, 1982  Big thumbs up.

Jews aren't the figure of hate, they are the target of hate. By saying "Jews-As a race, not individual" you pretty much defined racism Big grin.

Blame the evil zionists for everything Big grin.

If Lieberman became vice president great, who cares what the bloody Syrians think.

User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (13 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

Hey Iky: I am an Economist subscriber, and I sure can't find that article in the U.S. version (November 10-16th). What gives?

Maggs swings, it's a drive deep to left! The Tigers are going to the World Series!!!
User currently offlinePHLFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (13 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

That has to be one of the scariest things I have ever read. I literally thank the Lord everyday that that man is not President.

Can you imagine Gore saying "Weee willlll wiinnnn the fight aggaiinsstt terrrorrrism."

User currently offlineIkarus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 3524 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 1365 times:

I got the article in the Economist that arrived at my door today. Issue "November 17th - 23rd", page 58 "Lexington"...



User currently offlineAloha 737-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 1351 times:

 Yeah sure

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