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Gner Trains: The Latest News?  
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 1655 times:

Not a huge fan of trains but I heard a couple of days ago that they are close to being liquidized which shocked me greatly as GNER is a great company that offers a great alternative to cars (dare I say it air).

Anyhone heard the latest, also as I was travelling home on Wednesday, GNER cancelled a service between Leeds and Kings Cross as I was boarding my train

Anyone know why

Tom

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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 15 hours ago) and read 1639 times:

Oh dear.

They operate via Grantham. Used to use them all the time, not the best service, always had to stand, and one point a conductor PUSHED my sister into the train as it was full. Not good.

We shall see what happens. They have asked for the goverment to rethink lowering something or other, but the goverments response was "We never negociate"


User currently offlineExpress1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

 eek  oh no quick,hide this thread report from EWS,if he sees this he will need time off to recover. Big grin

dave


User currently offlineSQNo1 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 687 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Quoting BA787 (Thread starter):
Not a huge fan of trains but I heard a couple of days ago that they are close to being liquidized

Don't normally like to correct people's English, but the word you were looking for was "liquidated"!  Smile

Anyways back to this topic. The company who owns GNER, Sea Containers has debts of around of £350m. Sea Containers recently went to the high court over the decision to allow Grand Central railways to operate services between King's Cross and Sunderland.

However Sea Containers lost the court case which means a three times a day service will start from mid december and it is a definite that Grand Central will undercut GNER's fares between York and King's Cross.

Sea Containers generally now has two options. Either it can sell the business at a loss, because GNER is not making as much money as required in the franchise aggrement they made with the Office of Rail Regulation last year, one major reason for this was the terrorist attacks in London last year.

Or Sea Containers can keep the business but turn the train company can turn into a sort of no-frills service, cutting jobs and greatly reducing the number of services that will have a full restaurant service.

That's about it. But what we all do know is that one of Britain's best train operating comapnies is going to change, for better or worse we shall see in the future.

With Regards,
Alex.B


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

GNER aren't the only ones in financial dissarray.
The company that owns Eurotunnel (Le Shuttle) and also Eurostar are in serious financial problems, and look to be facing liquidation....

If GNER went down, imagine who would be at the franchising conference, with a huge grin on his face - as always.....

Thanks
PR


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3770 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 1595 times:

Quoting Trekster (Reply 1):
and one point a conductor PUSHED my sister into the train as it was full. Not good.

Obviously you haven't ridden on Japanese trains at rush hour. Although, the JR packers wear gloves when they do their shoving. It's more polite that way  silly 



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 4):
The company that owns Eurotunnel (Le Shuttle) and also Eurostar are in serious financial problems, and look to be facing liquidation....

Eurotunnel and Eurostar are two totally different companies:

  • Eurostar is a train operator using Eurotunnel infrastructure for a fee, as it is using English, French and Belgium infrastructures.
  • Eurostar is owned by National Express Group, SNCF (French Railways), SNCB (Belgian Railways) and British Airways.



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

Not a fan of GNER, they don't give you free food or drink in first class. Even Southern offer complimentary tea and coffee on some morning services in first. Though i don't pay anything like full fare, so i suppose i can't complain.  Wink

I'm sure First Group would be happy to take over the GNER franchise, they seem to have taken over everywhere else (Thameslink, WAGN, Scotrail, Thames Trains etc)


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 7):
I'm sure First Group

That is about the only company who I would be glad to see takeover, If Virgin took over I would be furious.

Such a shame, whcih idiot ruled that there could be a competiton on the route, especially when the government recieves so much money from GNER. Grand Central isn't what I expect to see in York station when I travel to Pitlochry. It's Red and Blue all the way.

Also, I didn't know Eurostar was owned partly by BA

Maybe BA could expand its subsidiaries and buy the remains of GNER as it already has close dealings with them thanks to Eurostar (GNER uses Eurostars every so often for their routes)

Tom

I'd like that, the best in the air and on the line


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Quoting SQNo1 (Reply 3):
If Virgin took over I would be furious.

Trainspotter!  Wink



When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

I thought this might be a good time to post pictures of the current state of possibly one of LNER's most famous trains, The Flying Scotsmans.

I think she is getting overhauled at the York Museum, where I took the pictures from








Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 1501 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 9):
Trainspotter!

You must be joking, can't stand it, just have an interest in GNER, thats about it. I know a few companies, just hate the whole Virgin thing


Tom


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3313 posts, RR: 39
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

Crap... My mistake... Flying scotsman was LNER not GNER! Disregard the photos!


Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineAzza40 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1052 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

Quoting Express1 (Reply 2):
oh no quick,hide this thread report from EWS,if he sees this he will need time off to recover.

 rotfl 

Aaron  swirl 



Not been on here for a good 2/3 years!
User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

Quoting TGV (Reply 6):
Eurotunnel and Eurostar are two totally different companies:

Yes, I know that.
Perhaps my phrasing confused you
Thanks
PR


User currently offlineTGV From France, joined Dec 2004, 874 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month ago) and read 1471 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 14):
Perhaps my phrasing confused you

It did, indeed !
But if you did not mean that Eurotunnel and Eurostar are the same company, do you mean that Eurostar is facing liquidation ? This would come as a shock for me.



Avoid 777 with 3-4-3 config in Y ! They are real sardine cans. (AF/KL for example)
User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month ago) and read 1470 times:

Quoting TGV (Reply 15):

Hey
Its well known that EuroTunnel are in financial hiccups at the moment.
Recently on BBC radio news, I heard that the company that runs Eurostar may have to sell off/liquidate the service due to mounting losses.

Probably due to the extremely high price compared to air travel and very questionable time saving.

Thanks
PR


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