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Terrorist Arrested In Kiel, Germany  
User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14142 posts, RR: 62
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

From German TV news:

A Lebanese man, who was caught on CCTV when he placed a suitcase bomb on a commuter train in Dortmund, Germany, was arrested today in the northern German city of Kiel, one day after the police published CCTV footage from the railway station, when he placed the bomb. This bomb, and another one, which was found in another train in Koblenz, were scheduled to go off at the same time during rush hour on July 31st, but failed to explode due to a technical error.
The 22 year old man came from the Lebanon to Germany in 2004 and enrolled in 2005 as student at Kiel University.
He attracted no attention in the student dormitory he lived in, except for the fact that he appeared to be very religious and had lots of visitors. Police assumes that the enrollment in the university was actually a cover story.

According to the state prosecutor's office finger prints and DNA traces found on the unexploded bomb, together with the CCTV footage, prove this man guilty of having built and placed the bomb.
The police are still looking for another man, who has placed the second similar bomb.
According to the police the arrest was made after receiving information from an unnamed foreign intelligence service.

the bombs, which contained a big propane cylinder each, would have cause a carnage similar to the Madrid bombings.

See:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5266752.stm



Jan

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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

I never knew of this - this is the first I have heard of the whole story.

What a sad world we live in...

Adam


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9546 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2218 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 1):
this is the first I have heard of the whole story

I knew about the bombs but not the arrests. Involvement in Afghanistan and the alleged "occupation" of part of Spain are up there with Iraq on the list of grievances.


User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

What really got me was the fact that one of the bombers was wearing a German football shirt with ballack on the back, like any other german would, you simply can't tell who is a terrorist and who isn't.

Dominic



ALITALIA,All Landings In Torino, All Luggage In Athens ;)
User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 2):
knew about the bombs but not the arrests.

I don't know how I have missed this story in the media - I read news on the internet and watch the news multiple times a day on TV.

Quoting TheSorcerer (Reply 3):
What really got me was the fact that one of the bombers was wearing a German football shirt with ballack on the back, like any other german would, you simply can't tell who is a terrorist and who isn't.

Same can be said about our own British 7/7 bombers, how can you tell the difference? If it helps them to blend into society and helps them carry out their atrocities I am sure they will do it.

Adam


User currently offlineLewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3679 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Quoting David L (Reply 2):
"occupation" of part of Spain

What does Germany have to do with it, what occupation is that and why would a Lebanese care?


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Thread starter):
the bombs, which contained a big propane cylinder each

That's one hell of a big and heavy suitcase. Those tanks are 40 cm in diameter and 60 cm tall.



I find it strange that the train crew and station employees didn't suspect anything. Unattended luggage usually means evacuation and calling in the bomb squad. Jesus! You don't haul it off the train and into a crowded train station, then open it yourselves. I'd expect that in a pre-9/11 America, but not in Europe!

Mark

[Edited 2006-08-20 01:14:49]

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 6):
Unattended luggage usually means evacuation and calling in the bomb squad. Jesus!

The luggage wasn't left unattended for long.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2169 times:

Quoting Lewis (Reply 5):
Quoting David L (Reply 2):"occupation" of part of Spain
What does Germany have to do with it, what occupation is that and why would a Lebanese care?

Since Germany has never supported the US involvement in Iraq, it makes you wonder why anyone would target Germany in this manner.

Is it evidence of a general islamic extremist intnet to attack the west in general?


User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9546 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 4):
I don't know how I have missed this story in the media - I read news on the internet and watch the news multiple times a day on TV.

To tell the truth, I missed it, too, but my brother keeps me informed.  Smile

Quoting Lewis (Reply 5):
Quoting David L (Reply 2):
"occupation" of part of Spain

What does Germany have to do with it, what occupation is that and why would a Lebanese care?

I didn't say Germany has anything to with it. What I said was...

Quoting David L (Reply 2):
Involvement in Afghanistan and the alleged "occupation" of part of Spain are up there with Iraq on the list of grievances.

Were you aware of the Madrid bombings? OBL is pretty pissed off about southern Spain being "seized" from the Moors. Not as pissed off as he is with the USA or the UK, maybe, but pissed off nontheless. I believe he referred to it as the "tragedy of Andalucia" or something similar shortly after Sept. 11th.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting Lewis (Reply 5):
What does Germany have to do with it, what occupation is that and why would a Lebanese care?

Who said the Islamic Weird Beards had to make sense?  Wink

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Is it evidence of a general islamic extremist intnet to attack the west in general?

 checkmark 



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2157 times:

If the train route was on the RE "Westfallen Express", I've taken this
train many times (especially between Cologne and Essen). It kind of
makes you think. However, I do hope it makes people wake up to the
fact that we in the Western countries are all targets, not just select
ones like the U.S. and England.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 8):
Is it evidence of a general islamic extremist intnet to attack the west in general?

I believe the term they use to refer to Westerners is infidels. And I don't
think that there is a distinction of diferrence in their minds between one
that is German and one that is American or Spanish or English...



fly high, pay low...Germanwings!
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 11):
I believe the term they use to refer to Westerners is infidels. And I don't
think that there is a distinction of diferrence in their minds between one
that is German and one that is American or Spanish or English..

Wow. According to some Anet mmbers, its only the evil Americans and ther UK allies which are being targeted....  Wink


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4639 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 12):
Wow. According to some Anet mmbers, its only the evil Americans and ther UK allies which are being targeted...

No, you're just on the short list that's all  Wink



Word
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9546 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

They're not after "all western countries" just for the hell of it. There will be specific reasons for targeting each country, e.g. involvement in Afghanistan or Iraq, support of Israel, interference in Muslim countries over the years, kicking the Moors out of Spain, etc. Lots of specific reasons.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 12):
According to some Anet mmbers, its only the evil Americans and ther UK allies which are being targeted....



Quoting VonRichtofen (Reply 13):
No, you're just on the short list that's all

Top of the list.  Smile


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14142 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

Actually we didn't have too much trouble over here in the past.
Most Muslims living in Germany are either Turkish, Albanian or Bosnian.
The last two groups have for a long time developed a kind of moderate "Euro-Islam" and don't seem to be falling too much for radical cr@p.

They all, unlike most Arab nations, have never been colonised and don't seem to have that grudge and feeling of humiliation many Arabs, Pakistanis, Indonesians, Malaysians seem to have towards Europe (their former colonial masters) and the West in general.

Turkey, under their last religious government, the Ottoman empire, ended up in chaos and corruption and essentially cleaned and modernised itself through Kemal Pasha's (Atatuerk's) revolution after WW1. Before WW1 Turkey was actually a colonial power itself.

Jan


User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 15):
They all, unlike most Arab nations, have never been colonised and don't seem to have that grudge and feeling of humiliation many Arabs, Pakistanis, Indonesians, Malaysians seem to have towards Europe (their former colonial masters) and the West in general.

Wait... Turkey, although a long time ago, was occupied by the Greeks and Romans, and the Balkans were occupied by the Hapsburg and Ottoman
Empires at various times, as well as the Nazis for a few years.

Maybe their close ties to the West keep them from having such hostilities
towards Western culture. Although I'm sure some resentment exists in
a very small group.



fly high, pay low...Germanwings!
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