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User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2840 times:

Well I'm in my junior year of highschool now. I'm getting really serious about the college search, and am just wondering if you guys have any experience with the following colleges. FWIW, my GPA is currently a 4.4, I haven't taken the SAT or ACT yet, but will starting in October. I know things can change, but I'm really looking into getting some sort of degree in Econ.

1. University of Chicago
2. Columbia University
3. NYU
4. UCLA
5. USC
6. Reed College
7. Claremont Colleges

These are the oens I'm somewhat looking at right now. University of Chicago has been at the top of my list for the longest time. Also, do you guys have any reccomendations for colleges not on my list?

Thanks guys ...

Matt

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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2833 times:

First of all, the University of Chicago is an excellent world class school. On the negative side is the cost $11,000 a quarter. The question would be do you really want to pay for your education for the rest of your life. UCLA is also excellent and also as a world class faculty, located on the pacific rim where the action will be, and since it appears that you are a California resident, would be much more affordable.

User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2827 times:

Chicago is argualbly the most respected eco school in the world. Personally, if I were *that* sure about wanting to pursue economics (i.e. go for doctoral), I'd save Chicago for grad school and pick a respected undergrad program based on academics and reputation.

I also majored in eco (one of two majors) and it's really a useless degree unless you continue onto grad school/doctorate.


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9777 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2808 times:
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Well, I went to USC, so consider my opinion biased from the start (UCLA sucks).

First of all, is the GPA on a 5 point scale? I'm only familiar with 4 point scales. How does the 5 point scale work exactly (e.g., what equals an A or a B, etc.)? 4.4 sounds pretty good to me.

Anyway, I majored in aerospace engineering at USC. Never quite finished, but that's a different story (still hoping to sometime in the future). Had a great time out there. The actual campus is beautiful, but of course, it is on the northern border of South Central. However, in all my time out there, I never had a problem (and I and many of my friends lived in the residential neighborhoods west of campus for a few years).

Beware that fraternity/sorority life is a decent sized thing there, with something like 30% of the students enrolled in one frat/sorority or another if memory serves. However, I personally hate greek life, and I still never felt out of place, or like I had nothing to do.

Its location obviously does not serve USC particularly well in terms of stuff to do outside of college life, but then again, going up to Hollywood and stuff gets old anyway.

Suffice to say, I had a good time and learned a lot at USC. However, choose whatever feels like the best fit for you. I think that probably my only regret is that I didn't go to a smaller school...A place with 14,000+ undergrads can be daunting, and sometimes you feel like you're just a faceless member of a giant herd. But going to the football games makes up for all that  Smile

If you have any specific questions, like why UCLA sucks, or even questions about USC, feel free to PM me or post them here.

Oh, I've only been out to the Claremont Colleges a few times for frisbee tournaments, but I remember that area being pretty nice as well.

Ooo, and another thing, the eye candy at USC and UCLA is freaking awesome. You can entertain yourself for hours just walking around campus. Too bad that for all the beauty, the intelligence is frequently absent  Wink

~Vik



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 3):
Well, I went to USC, so consider my opinion biased from the start (UCLA sucks).

other way around  Wink

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 3):
First of all, is the GPA on a 5 point scale? I'm only familiar with 4 point scales. How does the 5 point scale work exactly (e.g., what equals an A or a B, etc.)? 4.4 sounds pretty good to me.

4.4 Is a weighted grade. He is obviously in a lot of honours classes.

Columbia is the best of the list, but if you can get a scholarship, U of C is amazing.



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User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 4):
4.4 Is a weighted grade.

My idiot school refused to weight my grades (It's against our policy, NO!) even though I took a college class and AP Calc. Pissed me off.  Angry


User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2778 times:

My GPA is based on a 5 point scale. Honors and AP classes get you one extra point so long as you get a C or better. An A in AP Chemistry is worth 5 points where an A in say just normal chemistry gets you 4 points. My unweighted GPA is like a 3.9 or something like that.

I'm pretty sure I want to get into economics. I find everything about it fascinating.

Quoting Piercey (Reply 4):

4.4 Is a weighted grade. He is obviously in a lot of honours classes.

Yup ...

AP Chemistry
AP US History
AP Art History
Hnrs Math Analysis
AP English Literature
Spanish 5

Surprisingly my load isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Im only doing about 2-3 hours of homework a night.

Quoting Piercey (Reply 4):
Columbia is the best of the list, but if you can get a scholarship, U of C is amazing.

Does anyone have information on scholarships for U of C? My parents make pretty good money, but 40k+ a year is a ton of money. Anything I can do to help offset the costs would be great.

How about the average admitted GPA, SAT scores, and stuff like that. I've been hard pressed to find this stuff on their website and through google.

Also, would having family go to U of C help my chances of getting in? My aunt went there, but that was more than 30 years ago...


User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting ZOTAN (Thread starter):
1. University of Chicago
2. Columbia University
3. NYU
4. UCLA
5. USC
6. Reed College
7. Claremont Colleges

What? No Notre Dame? What kind of list is that!  Wink

I liked Reed College - very interesting school! Almost transferred there too, from Notre Damd (long story).


User currently offlineMonorail From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 625 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

If you're planning on going to graduate school you should give a lot more consideration to less expensive public schools. When I was in your shoes I wanted to go to a school the likes of a Northwestern or Case Western. As you may guess, those schools carry significant price tags, being high profile, private schools. Scholarships would only have gone so far, even though I did well on the standardized tests, was third in my high school class, and had decent extracurriculars. I knew I wanted to go to graduate school afterward, so I found that by going to a public school, I wouldn't have to dig myself into a deep hole of student debt just to get a bachelors degree. I was a National Merit Finalist, so I got tons of offers from public schools all over the country that would give me a tuition waiver if I came to their school. Ultimately I went for Arizona State. I'll be in a much better position to pay for grad school because I won't have any debt from my undergrad years. I thought of it this way: I'd rather get my MD from Northwestern (etc.) and my BS from Arizona State, then to get my BS from Northwestern, but my MD from a tiny, obscure school. After all, which degree is going to be hanging in my office one day, the MD or the BS?  scratchchin 

Now I don't know your situation so it may differ for you, but it's something to consider



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User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2756 times:

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 6):
How about the average admitted GPA, SAT scores, and stuff like that. I've been hard pressed to find this stuff on their website and through google.

your GPA should be fine, but be aware that some of the higher end schools do take away the weight. No idea about SAT.

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 6):
Also, would having family go to U of C help my chances of getting in? My aunt went there, but that was more than 30 years ago...

Alumn?



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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

I give you a lot of credit for having worked so hard in high school thus far - I know, from personal experience, that such a schedule is no walk in the park. I didn't really consider any of the schools that you're interested in (I was more of a rural/suburban type person, hence the Dartmouth choice), but I can give you some general advice.

I know that you're only a junior, but when the time comes, don't let yourself get too stressed out and overwhelmed over the whole college application/admissions thing. I went crazy filling out all of my applications and such and ended up only needing to have submitted one because I got into Dartmouth early decision. Take it one step at a time, and work on them over the summer before school starts. It will make the entire process a heck of a lot easier. Also, college admissions is only getting more and more competitive year after year, so don't beat yourself up if you don't get into the school of your choice. Some of the schools you listed can be impossibly difficult to be accepted to, so please take everything that comes your way with a grain of salt. My chem teacher, who was like a mom to all of her students, always used to tell us that things happen for a reason, and in the end, everything will work out.

Good luck. Getting into college is a long, arduous process, but I'm sure you'll get into a school that will work out great for you.


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6299 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

I completey agree that you should save the expensive schools for grad school if you plan to go that route...I have a friend who went to Southern Illinois for her undergrad to save money (in-state tuition), and now is started at Princeton for grad school this fall...if you work hard, it doesn't really matter where you go for undergrad, you'll learn more than you ever imagined possible at most any respected institution.

In addition, you may realize that, as you mentioned, economics sucks and you want to do something completely different...another reason I'd say hold off and go to a public in-state school or an affordable out-of-state public school. This isn't a knock on you, but I think too many people put too much money into names...University of Chicago, UCLA, etc...these are good schools but you could end up not doing well and wasting money, whereas you could do fantastic at a cheaper school and then move up to the next level for grad school.

I just graduated in May from the University of Kansas, and it was by far the greatest experience of my life...I learned more than I ever imagined, and 90% of it had nothing to do with school, rather they were things that actually matter in life - who I am, what I want, how to manage finances, and being a grown up. I loved it so much that I am actually working for KU now - something I never would have expected when I started in 2002 as an 18 year old (with a funny accent as my friends told me  Wink).

Just follow your heart and what feels best, and that usually isn't wrong  Smile


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1611 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2705 times:

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 6):
Surprisingly my load isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Im only doing about 2-3 hours of homework a night.

Only 2-3 hours? I was toppin' out at 30 mins a night when I was in HS. Or maybe that was just senior year. That senioritis gets to you.


Quoting ZOTAN (Thread starter):
1. University of Chicago
2. Columbia University
3. NYU
4. UCLA
5. USC
6. Reed College
7. Claremont Colleges

Columbia, Chicago, and NYU are nowhere near your hometown of San Diego, according to your profile. I'm guessing this isn't a problem for you, but make sure you are comfortable with the distance from home.

Visit your top colleges too, make sure they are right for you. It's always good to apply to a fallback school too, one you are sure that you will get into.



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2693 times:

The only college in that list that you should be interested in outside California would be NYU. Otherwise UCLA or USC will do just fine. If you do decide to go to NY make sure you like the place, going from the best city in the U.S to the freezing hell might be a shock if you haven't any experience.

User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2647 times:

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 12):
Columbia, Chicago, and NYU are nowhere near your hometown of San Diego, according to your profile. I'm guessing this isn't a problem for you, but make sure you are comfortable with the distance from home.

I have a ton of family in Chicago, so that isn't really so bad. New York on the other hand is pretty far from most of my family. I go there a lot, and I love the city. It is somewhat far from home though.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 13):
The only college in that list that you should be interested in outside California would be NYU.

Any reason for this?

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 13):
going from the best city in the U.S to the freezing hell might be a shock if you haven't any experience.

Yeah .. weather isn't really that big of a deal. I've spent a lot of time in colder places so I'm SOMEWHAT used too it.


User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9777 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2629 times:
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Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 12):
Only 2-3 hours? I was toppin' out at 30 mins a night when I was in HS. Or maybe that was just senior year. That senioritis gets to you.

Haha, me too. I definitely didn't go over an hour or so every night. Then again, I think my senioritis started freshman year....

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 13):
The only college in that list that you should be interested in outside California would be NYU.

My opinion, but I don't think this is sound advice at all (especially if U of Chicago has as good an econ program as it sounds like). Sure, USC is a good school, but it's not quite a GREAT school as of yet. UCLA is probably a bit better (ouch, that hurt), and will be FAR cheaper.

As far as the good school for undergrad vs. grad goes, keep in mind that if you do decently during your undergrad years, there's a good chance that you could go to grad school at the same college (if you wanted to).

~Vik



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 6):
Surprisingly my load isn't as bad as I thought it would be. Im only doing about 2-3 hours of homework a night.

ROTFLMAO 2-3 hours of homework in HS? Jesus christ I graduated with a 3.85GPA and took AP classes and tests also and I did 2 hours of homework per week.

You need a Tyskie or Carlsberg.


User currently offlineKmh1956 From Bermuda, joined Jun 2005, 3324 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2608 times:

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 6):
I'm pretty sure I want to get into economics.

have you looked at the Wharton School of UPenn?



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User currently offlineZOTAN From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 609 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2606 times:

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 16):
ROTFLMAO 2-3 hours of homework in HS? Jesus christ I graduated with a 3.85GPA and took AP classes and tests also and I did 2 hours of homework per week.

Well aren't you the lucky one ...  Wink

Yea about 2-3 hours a night, depending on what classes I have the next day. I'm on a block schedule with 3 classes one day, and three classes the next. Classes are two hours long so we generally get more homework per night then a school with a normal schedule since we only meet 3 times a week. (I have all 6 on Mondays)

My busy nights are 2-3 hours, and my not so busy ones are only about 15 minutes. Busy being the days I have AP Chem, AP US History, and AP Art History.


User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 14):
Any reason for this?

It's the best out of your list. A friend went there. VERY expensive but well worth it, you'll be set for life. It's very hard to get in but if you pick a less competitive major you might get in. If I had to choose from USC or UCLA, I'd go with USC. A lot of preferential hiring for USC grads depending on what field you major in.

[Edited 2006-08-21 07:34:28]

User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2404 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

Well are you a minority of any sort? Mexican-American? African-American? American Indian? These can help you get loads of money for college. I got a grip of money for college because I am Mexican-American and my father came here from Mexico. Do you also have ties in with a local company that has something similar to what you want to do with your degree? Here is what I mean, I have my money for college because of scholarships for my familys history (my father and my haritage) and my company I work for has offerd to pay for my college as well because it is in Animal Nutrition. So my school is over paid for you could say because of my job currently holding and my haritage. I dont need all that money because my dad makes well into the 6 figures. (a non graduate of a college and came here from Mexico. No he is not illegal and he does not work with illegals haha) My father is an Senior Electrical Engineer for PG&E.


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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 20):
Well are you a minority of any sort? Mexican-American? African-American? American Indian? These can help you get loads of money for college. I got a grip of money for college because I am Mexican-American and my father came here from Mexico. Do you also have ties in with a local company that has something similar to what you want to do with your degree? Here is what I mean, I have my money for college because of scholarships for my familys history (my father and my haritage) and my company I work for has offerd to pay for my college as well because it is in Animal Nutrition. So my school is over paid for you could say because of my job currently holding and my haritage. I dont need all that money because my dad makes well into the 6 figures. (a non graduate of a college and came here from Mexico. No he is not illegal and he does not work with illegals haha) My father is an Senior Electrical Engineer for PG&E.

I highly doubt it, it doesn't matter if you came from the Zulu nation, if your family makes more than a certain income I think around 30K or more you won't get a lot if anything at all. The only people that get significant amount, not f ew hundred dollars, is if you have no parents or one parent that makes less than a certain amount.

[Edited 2006-08-21 19:12:52]

User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9777 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2534 times:
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Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 21):
I highly doubt it, it doesn't matter if you came from the Zulu nation, if your family makes more than a certain income I think around 30K or more you won't get a lot if anything at all. The only people that get significant amount, not f ew hundred dollars, is if you have no parents or one parent that makes less than a certain amount.

Don't forget academic scholarships (or whatever they're called). I got offered $15,000+ per year to attend Case Western. And while I was a pretty good student, I wasn't great.

~Vik



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User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Yea that's right. In fact most who go to those 30K per year schools only really pay for a fraction of that because of scholarships, although in general, this applies more to private colleges.

User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 3):
If you have any specific questions, like why UCLA sucks, or even questions about USC, feel free to PM me or post them here.

As much as USC sucks balls (UCLA Grad) and brainwashes their students from day 1  Wink, he might be right as for the econ department. Ranking-wise, UCLA's Anderson School is right on par with USC's Marshall (but again that's more for MBA). USC graduates do get some good connections. If you are looking to work in California then I would stick with a California School. If money is a factor, you can't go wrong with a UC like Berkeley or UCLA.

See, USC Condoms, you don't always have to be biased.  Wink

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 3):
Ooo, and another thing, the eye candy at USC and UCLA is freaking awesome. You can entertain yourself for hours just walking around campus.

Very true. Though USC has more blondes and UCLA has more Asians.

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 3):
Too bad that for all the beauty, the intelligence is frequently absent  

Maybe for you guys.  Wink



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25 Post contains images Vikkyvik : I will be the first to admit that USC brainwashes the students. In fact, the school and its alumni practically brainwash kids from the day they're bo
26 VSLover : two things: first, to all the others on here--have some of you considered that money may not be an issue? this leads to point two. second, to come fro
27 IFEMaster : Oxford University all the way, yeah! Just ask AirxLiban.
28 Cory6188 : Not entirely true. I'm going to Dartmouth in the fall - 43K per year - and my parents aren't getting a penny. Now, granted, my dad's a dentist, so I
29 Post contains images Comorin : Very, very few Americans get admitted to Oxford in the undergraduate program In California, the top econ school is Berkeley (home of the binomial mod
30 Dougloid : I think youse guys just want to talk about how smart your stats say you are. There'll always be someone smarter and richer than you are. So start thi
31 Post contains links USAFHummer : For the general data about schools that you are looking for, go to http://www.princetonreview.com and search away... Greg
32 MAH4546 : I went to University of Chicago, as an economics major, so I would definitley say you can't go wrong with it, but I am biased. Feel free to contact me
33 AirWillie6475 : I'm not talking about financial aid.
34 MAH4546 : If you plan on going to grad school after graduating, the name and prestige of your school takes on a lot less weight. Someone from a lesser known sta
35 ZOTAN : I'm just trying to show off how smart I am? How does that have anything do with asking for advice on college? I was just asking what your guys though
36 Coal : Ummm I both agree and disagree. Most of what you said is very true, but there is one key piece of the puzzle you left out: Work experience. If you pl
37 MAH4546 : From most schools, indeed. It gives you the "in", because many firms do not bother recruiting directly from all but the top schools. However, from sc
38 Coal : Mmmm, quite interesting, to say the least. I assume you're referring to an undergrad degree? In any case, I decided to follow the "go to a State scho
39 VSLover : i must say that as someone who went to an ivy that it really was a piece of cake getting an internship at morgan stanley, then after school being hire
40 MAH4546 : I am speaking from an undergrad degree. I'm not at all saying it is impossible to have a successful start to your career from a non-top school. I am
41 Post contains images Texan : I agree with Monrail here. There are many excellent state schools with solid econ programs. Study your butt off there and try for Chicago or one of t
42 Post contains images Coal : Another key point, and maybe a pretty obvious one, is that it also depends on the personality. I have an acquaintance that got his MBA from UChicago
43 ZOTAN : For my backup school... There is some deal between my district and SDSU that as long as I get a 3.0 GPA and take certain classes, I'm automatically ad
44 TPAnx : Check out the edition of Newsweek with "Terror Now"on the cover Lots of good info for anyone thinking of college... TPAnx
45 MAH4546 : Definitley, especially for a S&T job. Good scores, resumes, and a going to a good school help get you an interview. They don't help you get to the se
46 Planespotting : U of Chicago was just voted as the "best undergraduate experience" by the Princeton Review... you have plenty of opportunities to have an amazing time
47 SW733 : Hell of a "ultimate" back up school...you should consider yourself very very lucky
48 ZOTAN : Number 2 is definately true for me. I hope number 1 holds true also. Yup. I'm very lucky with this one. The average GPA admitted to SDSU is now aroun
49 Dougloid : Of course you're trying to show off how smart you are. You're fishing for validation and by the looks of it you've landed some real lunkers. You know
50 MAH4546 : You have to be kidding. All he is looking for is advice. College is one of the most important decissions you will make in your life, and you think he
51 Mdsh00 : I don't think so. Is it wrong to ask people for advice? Choosing a college is a major decision in life and sometimes it's a good thing to get advice
52 ZOTAN : Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed... Im just asking for advice man, chill out. There is a lot of things you don't get from books and magaz
53 Saxdiva : You didn't mention Berkeley or Stanford... how come? Might be worth sending applications up that way.
54 FlyUSCG : No Colleges want to see community service, membership in clubs (and officer positions in those clubs), sports, the nerdy classes (AP and honors. I di
55 VSLover : well cornell was my safety school. yes i'm smart and i had no concerns about getting into my top school choices. so really, in comparison you can see
56 Post contains images SW733 : This answer isn't completely true, having worked in the admissions office of a major university while I was a student, colleges are looking for thing
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