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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

Got home, turned the radio on and Pakistan are accused of tampering with the ball during the fourth Test.  Confused

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User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4325 times:

It appears that Pakistan may have ended up forfeiting the match after a protest gone wrong!  Confused

Rgds.


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4325 times:

So basically absolutely no regard for all those fans that paid £30/£40 for a ticket!  Angry

User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4315 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 2):
So basically absolutely no regard for all those fans that paid £30/£40 for a ticket!

Looks that way! Doesn't look hopeful for play tomorrow.  Yeah sure

Look here for more information... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/5268250.stm

Rgds.


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4307 times:

The play has been stopped after Daryl Hair found marks on the ball and they added 5 runs onto Englands score card as Penalty points to Pakistan.

The bails were knocked off the wicket which seems to signal that Pakistan have forfeited.

And everybody seems to think that Hair is being racist to Pakistan.

Tom.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4307 times:

Same thing that always happens in cricket. 22 people shuffle round a field throwing balls at each other, the rest of the planet gets bored and changes the channel. Sometimes a naked person runs across the field.

 Silly


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4302 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 5):
Same thing that always happens in cricket. 22 people shuffle round a field throwing balls at each other, the rest of the planet gets bored and changes the channel. Sometimes a naked person runs across the field.

There'snothing wrong with cricket.

Tom.



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User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4299 times:

So do you think the umpires should be supported?

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4293 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 6):
There'snothing wrong with cricket.

No there's nothing wrong with it, it is harmless and sometimes a pleasant way to wile away a summer afternoon (if deck chairs and Pimm's feature prominently). But nothing to get excited about either.


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4284 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 7):
So do you think the umpires should be supported?

I don't really know, but I think they should at least carry on playing cricket, because Sky Sports seem to think that it will muck up the One Dayers.

Tom.



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User currently offlineJamie757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4284 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 7):
So do you think the umpires should be supported?

Pakistan went about protesting the decision the wrong way and the officials are within their rights to do what they have done. However, I think that the fans that have spent ££££'s on tickets for tomorrow should be taken into consideration here. The referee should, in my opinion, overrule the decision of the Umpire(s).

Rgds.


User currently offline9VSPO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4281 times:

If Pakistan forfeit the match it's the fans who will suffer.

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4281 times:

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 7):
So do you think the umpires should be supported?

Yes, they made a decision within the rules of hte game, and the players decided to try and usurp their authority. If the players can get away with that, whats the point in having umpires in the first place?


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4242 times:
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The basic things

2.14pm - Pakistan take a wicket; ball handed to umpire
2.30pm - Darrell Hair (in association with Billy Doctrove) decides the ball has been "tampered with"; 4th umpire is summonsed, the batsmen choose a replacement ball and 5 penalty runs are awarded.

So sometime in the 16 minute period, the ball's "been got at". Yet the umpires normally inspect the ball at the end of either every over or every other over. Given the Sky Sports has 20 or so cameras and can find no incriminating pictures, we have to ask the question of what Darrell Hair saw i.e. can he name the culprit(s), or is it "the ball looks funny, something's happened and I don't know what caused it so I'll assume it must be a fielder".

This appears to be the chronology post tea;

a) Umpires go out, with no players
b) They return, and said to both teams "you must play immediately". That is what I understand from the PCB chairman Shahriyar Khan's interview with Michael Holding
c) Players and batsmen go out; Pakistan remains
d) 2 minutes go by, and the umpires enquire of the batsman "Are you ready to to play?" . They say yes, there are no fielders and so the bails are removed.
e) Pakistan take to the field, but the umpires are "unwilling" to come out.

Given that they were invited to play and decined, they must be seen to have forfeited the game.

However, the whole thing could have been defused if the umpires drew Inzamam's attention to the condition of the ball and say that they don't know what has occurred (fielder scuffing the ball, ball scuffed because of the pitch or batsmen scoring boundaries which saw the ball end up in the stands) but they feel they have to change the ball. No accusations and the game continues.


User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

According to what a friend has just told me on MSN, the play will not continue tommorow according to Sky Sports News.

Tom.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

Quoting David_itl (Reply 13):
a) Umpires go out, with no players
b) They return, and said to both teams "you must play immediately". That is what I understand from the PCB chairman Shahriyar Khan's interview with Michael Holding
c) Players and batsmen go out; Pakistan remains
d) 2 minutes go by, and the umpires enquire of the batsman "Are you ready to to play?" . They say yes, there are no fielders and so the bails are removed.
e) Pakistan take to the field, but the umpires are "unwilling" to come out.

It appears actually that the timespan in (d) was rather longer, and the timespan between (d) and (e) was 30 minutes.


User currently offlineBanco From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 14752 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 12):
Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 7):
So do you think the umpires should be supported?

Yes, they made a decision within the rules of hte game, and the players decided to try and usurp their authority. If the players can get away with that, whats the point in having umpires in the first place?

Indeed. They have to be, no choice in the matter. Whether Hair's and Doctrove's actions were ultimately reasonable or otherwise in imposing the five run penalty, teams simply cannot take the matter into their own hands and refuse to play. If a side is allowed to get away with that, then we'll see them doing it in all circumstances.

Pakistan might well have been hard done by, but they really should have made their complaint through official channels after the end of the day's play. As it was, England were out there ready to play, and Pakistan refused to take the field - and made a specific point of their refusal with Kamran Akmal reading a newspaper on the balcony. The Laws are very clear on this, once a team does that, the match is forfeited.



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User currently offlineBradWray From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4203 times:

This was very interesting and unfortunately, I was in the local boozer watching the football so I missed all of the TV coverage.

I wonder what is going to happen in the ODI's with Pakistan, I am sure that 2 different umpires will be used and Pakistan will play in them all.

Is anybody going to the England V Lancashire game on the 24th?

Bradley!  Smile



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting Banco (Reply 16):
Whether Hair's and Doctrove's actions were ultimately reasonable or otherwise in imposing the five run penalty, teams simply cannot take the matter into their own hands and refuse to play.


Funny this is has not been the first this has happened when Darrel Hair when he has been officiating a match.

Quoting 9VSPO (Reply 11):
If Pakistan forfeit the match it's the fans who will suffer.

exactly right


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12499 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4174 times:
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It's a pretty sad state of affairs all round.

Unless the umpires saw something that wasn't picked up by the TV cameras (seems unlikely given the number of cameras these days) the changing of the ball and awarding of five runs seems somewhat of an over-reaction. However, in defence of the umpires, they're pretty experienced and would quickly be able to spot something on the ball that wasn't "normal".

While the awarding of five runs is neither here nor there in the context of the match, it is of course effectively accusing Pakistan of cheating.

That Pakistan refused to play after tea was taken is beyond dispute. Despite being given a second chance by the umpires they still refused. When the England batsmen were asked if they were ready to play and confirmed they were, the lack of opponents on the field left the umpires little option. The symbolic removal of the bails was a clear signal to all that the match was over.

Pakistan's later "attempt" to show willing to play by taking the field was a futile effort to rewind a situation that had already reached its inevitable conclusion.

I'm afraid Pakistan played this one wrong. They should have continued the match after tea, then sought to resolve the issue with the match referee at the end of play.

I don't think there's any bad feeling between the team, and I hope the 1-day matches go ahead.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 19):
I'm afraid Pakistan played this one wrong. They should have continued the match after tea, then sought to resolve the issue with the match referee at the end of play.

Exactly right there would have been the best outcome for both teams.


User currently offlineBradWray From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 650 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

The Pakistan manager has realised a statement saying that Pakistan will not play in any test matches, umpired by D. Hair in the future.

The Pakistan captain, Inzimam ul-Haq has also demanded the ICC to to undergo a trail using all of the TV footage from the 4th day.

A press conference is being held in Regents Park with the PCB and the ICC, where they have said that only Pakistani media can attend the press conference.

Bradley!



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

Quoting BradWray (Reply 21):
The Pakistan manager has realised a statement saying that Pakistan will not play in any test matches, umpired by D. Hair in the future.

Are they also going to take their ball and go home? Tell their mommies? Throw a tantrum, oh wait already doing that!


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 22):
Are they also going to take their ball and go home? Tell their mommies? Throw a tantrum, oh wait already doing that!

This is what sub continent teams are like they do nothing but complain and its unbelievable the amount of corruption that goes on in those countries in regards to cricket


User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/5269906.stm

Inzamam-ul-Haq to face two charges from the ICC



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25 Myt332 : How exactly do you tamper with the ball? Is it possible to turn it into a seek and destroy type ball that never misses? I don't get it.
26 NAV20 : A charge of 'bringing the game into disrepute' was to be expected for any captain who deliberately fails to get his team back on to the ground at the
27 RichardPrice : You can pick one side of it, including the seam, to make it more rough so the airflow over the ball is uneven, allowing for greater swing and reverse
28 Post contains images NAV20 : Remembering all those fast bowlers in the post-war years with fat advertising contracts from haircream manufacturers, Richard Price. And I believe th
29 Post contains images Mhodgson : Bloody conspiracy theorists...
30 Baroque : How are the pitch reports coming along VHVXB? Watching it on BBC radio made it difficult to pick the details that Nav20 saw. If it was that obvious,
31 Post contains links RichardPrice : The Pakistani skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq has now been charged with bringing the game into disrepute, and also changing the condition of the ball. Its offi
32 Post contains images Mhodgson : *cough*
33 RichardPrice : Oh bloody hell.
34 Myt332 : Ahh thanks for the explanation, I never knew! Sweat and Spit though? Gross!
35 Post contains images 9VSPO : I guess Darrell Hair is off Pakistans christmas card list now then.   They should have continued with the game and complained after in my opinion. No
36 Sayem55 : Changing the ball, accusing Pakistan of ball-tempering without any warning and proof is something that needs to be questioned. And if the umpires have
37 TSV : The ABC also compared it to an Australia v India Test when Gavaskar was given out and was so disgusted at being given out took off the other batsman
38 9VSPO : I agree but Pakistan had no problem with England so personally I think they should have continued play for the fans and discussed it later. The issue
39 Post contains images Banco : It was Stuart Clark that said that, someone who didn't even play in the series, and ridiculed by the English players as an outright lie, and then wit
40 JGPH1A : I bet it did ! Last time I watched something on the radio, I couldn't see a thing.
41 David_itl : I'm sure most of the British posters would by now have seen the photo which allegedly shows a Pakistani player pracitising some guitar notes on a ball
42 RichardPrice : He doesnt have to explicitly see the incident, he only has to use his experience to decide if the balls condition was a result of natural play or tam
43 Post contains links 9VSPO : Have a look what the experts say. http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/vi...200-cricketcomments_210806,00.html
44 VHVXB : Oh yes how could I forget Mark Waugh and Shane Warne pitch reports scandal
45 TSV : Are you sure it was Stuart Clark? AFAIR it was whatshisname (tall gangly long haired left hand quick who also didn't play in the series but did a sti
46 Baroque : Yes, Uncle Rodders gave quite a sane account of it all. I did notice the Gavaskar bit and should have mentioned it, but I am still trying to figure o
47 Post contains links Blrsea : Afridi admits tampering
48 Post contains images HAWK21M : That leaves India & Bangladesh from asia regds MEL
49 VHVXB : LOL thats right. The Sri Lankan Cricket team doesn't want anything to do with Darrel Hair after what happened in 1995
50 Post contains images Banco : That does prove beyond doubt that Afridi is seriously dim. Let's not forget, it was he who used the distraction of a gas canister exploding (and the
51 Zarniwoop : Latest news is that Duncan Fletcher visitied the match referees room on Sunday before play started. The newspapers in the UK are implying that Fletche
52 RichardPrice : The ECB has said that yes, he did visit the match referees room but Proctor wasnt there, and thus no complaint was put in.
53 AirbusA346 : It was also smacked into the stands a couple of times too. Tom.
54 Banco : Visiting the match referee is not unusual. England have strenuously denied that any kind of complaint was made, and certainly not about the ball. Eng
55 HAWK21M : What was the Damage to the Ball really.A scratch or seam lifting. regds MEL
56 Banco : We don't know. There have been a couple of photographs and TV screenshots, but you just can't tell, and the umpires aren't talking. One other thing a
57 NAV20 : Darrell Hair is hardly my favourite umpire, because he seems a pretty miserable bloke who doesn't contribute any ' theatre' to the work. But it's inte
58 HAWK21M : That a Valid Point. I wonder when the True story will be out. regds MEL
59 9VSPO : Exactly. But now Pakistan players may skip Thursday's match against Middlesex at Uxbridge, on the day before skipper Inzamam-ul-Haq's disciplinary he
60 Banco : A farce I could cope with. It's turning ugly. The one thing about all this that I find deeply irritating is the use of the race card. Imran Khan call
61 Post contains images HAWK21M : Any pic of that tampered Ball. regds MEL
63 9VSPO : There are none.
64 Post contains links NAV20 : Some dignified comments from Hair:- "People who know me know I would not take action unless I really thought it was necessary," Hair said. "I stand by
65 TSV : whatshisname = Bracken
66 HAWK21M : The PCB has approached the BCCI [India] for support.The Sri Lankans support would be assured.This is getting Regional. regds MEL
67 VHVXB : For sure especially after what happened in 1995 and 1998-99
68 RichardPrice : What are the chances of Pakistan staying away from more internationals due to their demand that Hair not be allowed to umpire any of their matches aga
69 RichardPrice : BBC News is reporting that the hearing is unlikely to go ahead this friday due to unavailability of the senior match referee.
70 Banco : Sides would be able to pick and choose which umpires were acceptable and which ones weren't. Ridiculous. The more Pakistan up the stakes on this, the
71 VHVXB : Exactly right. I guess you wouldn't see any other umpire do what Hair did
72 VH-KCT* : I read in Melbourne's quality free evening newspaper today that there has been a suggestion from Pakistan that the match should be declared null and v
73 Post contains links RichardPrice : Go ICC! http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/5277164.stm
74 VHVXB : Well done to the ICC in making the right decision.
75 Post contains links RichardPrice : Also, an interesting article on ball tampering: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/5270308.stm
76 HAWK21M : Maybe the PAK team should have Continued playing under protest with Black band,won the match/try to win the match & then lodged a complaint.That would
77 RichardPrice : That would have been the professional thing to do.
78 Baroque : Also the intelligent thing to do. There seems to have been a red mist. Watching it by radio (as is my wont) the red mist seems to have developed duri
79 Banco : It would also have been the bleedin' obvious thing to do. Every team has had situations where they feel that have been outrageously treated. But goin
80 Post contains images 9VSPO : Yay! Darren Gough's back. Wonder how he feels after a year off ballroom dancing?
81 VHVXB : it was an interesting article written by Roebuck. This news has even made to America and even John Howard is talking about this lol. I wonder how thi
82 Baroque : Snap, although his radio commentary is not so bad, but that may be because it relieves the irritation of Kerry O'K!! Also Roebuck is better when writ
83 Banco : He wouldn't be the first to be completely bamboozled by Warne, would he? But he was (and still is) a young player learning his trade. He was dropped
84 VHVXB : I haven't heard Peter on radio that much. The only commentators I do hear alot of on radio is that irritating Jim Maxwell and Kerry O'Keeffe Tell me
85 Baroque : Another snap, which by default leaves the dear Peter as a great improvement. What I really hate are the "action replays" on radio. At best these come
86 VHVXB : Yes I can't stand some of the Channel commentators they are so full crap In particular Tony Grieg. He has to be one of the biased ones out there. I d
87 Baroque : Yes, someone looked this out and about 10% more wickets per test for SCG when they both played, and a better strike rate too. One of the stranger bit
88 NAV20 : Odd that we have a team from the Sub-Continent complaining about umpires. Until a few years ago THEIR umpires were renowned for a relentless flow of h
89 Post contains images RichardPrice : LOL oh theyve put a smile on my face, thankyou! More, please
90 Banco : 9 Tests 16 innings 2 not outs 761 runs 3 Fifties 3 Hundreds HS 127 Average: 54.35
91 VHVXB : I agree and especially but the ones that are on the ICC elite panel are pretty good. I clearly remember the 2001 series where Australia went to India
92 Baroque : The pigeon jokes at Bills expense can be a spot of fun. I wonder if the Joe the cameraman will have any good comments to throw in this year. But I be
93 Post contains images VHVXB : Well the same thing happend to him in the Adelaide test back in 1999 Tong Grieg and Co. will be point everything out and then Bill Lawry will come in
94 Baroque : I know they script these guys to appear to be arguing, but it appears that the script between Tony and Bill has been rewritten of late. It would be n
95 VHVXB : Well thats pretty easy Grieg is one of the most biased commentators out there and Bill is proabably the dumbest. So don't expected much.
96 Baroque : Or then again, in the land of the blind the one eyed man is ........ Actually, the one I really did like was Tyson, especially when he talked about t
97 HAWK21M : Whats the latest on the Ball Tampering case.Did Hair Talk about it yet. regds MEL
98 VHVXB : Well the hearing was delayed so nothing new and the Pakistani Outrage is continuing Baroque who is this Tyson person who are talking about?
99 HAWK21M : I'm really awaiting Hair's side of the Story. regds MEL
100 Post contains links NAV20 : Breaking news on BBC World Service. Hair has offered to resign in return for a payment of 500,000 dollars. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/eng
101 Post contains images 9VSPO : I don't know what to say! You couldn't make it up could you?    Do you think the ICC have hung Hair out to dry? He must be devestated that his lette
102 Post contains links RichardPrice : From the BBC: I can see why he made the request, its his career and if forced to leave the ICC then he will find it hard to get equivillent income fr
103 Baroque : Frank Tyson, had a brief but spectacular career opening the bowling for England in the 50s, moved to Aus, and for a long time was on the Channel Nine
104 Post contains links Blrsea : 'Woolmer's South Africans tampered ball against India in 1997' And Woolmer is coach of the pakistani team now. Not that pakistanis needed someone to t
105 VHVXB : Thanks for that Baroque. You were mentioning something a fair way back thats why I didn't know who you were talking about. This also happend in Tri N
106 HAWK21M : Could Hair's comment be just a joke...like asking for an impossible amount knowing it will not be given,meaning he stays on. regds MEL
107 Banco : No, not at all. Hair's request is likely to be one of trying to help get the ICC out of a hole. The amount of money is merely what Hair could have ex
108 Baroque : That's OK, until I thought more, Tyson being on 9 seemed like a couple of years ago, but now I think, probably before 1990 he was gone!! So you misse
109 HAWK21M : Looks that way now. regds MEL
110 VHVXB : Who knows Baroque Geoff Boycott may come to Aust. for the Ashes or Gower
111 Baroque : Now Gower I like, but that might just be memories of him in his early days, what grace. Geoffie, he is not far from Bill Lawry, must be something abo
112 VHVXB : He certainly is. Its nice listening to someone from the recent era John Agnew? Well Hair seems to have ruthless personality when it comes to umpiring
113 Post contains images HAWK21M : More like a headmaster rather than Umpire regds MEL
114 Baroque : Zackerly so, both comments. There probably is a single "right" in most cases, but it is also possible that there may be two rights and two wrongs at
115 VHVXB : Hair didn't have to give any warnings he could have simply changed the ball once again no other umpire would have called Muralis action suspect. Only
116 Baroque : I totally agree, but that is where a warning could have helped, it might have avoided the creation of the hole in the first place. All the parties se
117 Post contains images HAWK21M : When are we going to hear hairs side of the story regds MEL
118 Post contains images 9VSPO : I guess when the autobiography comes out. (available at all good book shops priced £15.99)
119 Baroque : Looks more and more like never if the ICC has its way. It begins to seem as if one or other parties made a bigger mistake than fiddling with the ball
120 Post contains links VHVXB : Well apparently the ICC encouraged Hair to quit his position on the elite umpires panel Heres the link. it has a small video as well http://news.nine
121 Banco : Which is exactly the impression you get from the email exchange. So, could it really be that ICC executives encouraged Hair to come up with a face-sa
122 HAWK21M : Thats why Hair needs to talk. regds MEL
123 Post contains links Banco : And as this one rumbles on, the ICC have finally told Pakistan to shut up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/5313352.stm
124 HAWK21M : Not Surprisingly ..... The cricket world is def getting divided. regds MEL
125 Post contains images 9VSPO : Can Pakistan beat 272 to win against England at the Rose Bowl?
126 Post contains images RichardPrice : Ahh, it depends if England return after tea! They may decide to stay in and enjoy the interior decorating in the changing rooms
127 Banco : Or if Pakistan react to Sky's cameras showing Shoaib scratching at the quarter-seam of the ball with his thumbnail. Naughty boy - and in the current
128 Post contains images Bravo45 : Guess the answer is yes. I just saw the last bit of this one and the fact that the Umpire Empire needs to be brought down highlighted again by Afridi
129 HAWK21M : Shouldn't that be another ban/fine. regs MEL
130 VHVXB : Yeah that should warrant a fine at least lol Well done to Sky's cameramen
131 Banco : No, they accepted his word that he was just getting some dirt out of the ball. He might well have been too, but you are supposed to do that under the
132 HAWK21M : One has to clean the ball under the supervision/permission of the Umpire Only. regds MEL
133 Post contains links HAWK21M : India Plays the West Indies. After 42 overs India are 231/4.With Sachin unbeaten on 103 on a comeback http://in.sports.yahoo.com/sportz/inwi1409yh.htm
134 VHVXB : Looks like there is life after all. At the moment Sachin is 128 n.o. in the 49th over. Another player who seems to be doing great is Pathan both with
135 VHVXB : Good come back for Sachin. He batted the entire 50 overs and ended up with 141 n.o. and West Indies are chasing 310 for victory
136 HAWK21M : Has Sachin ever carried his bat through the Innings before.I dont think there may be many occasions in the past.Anyone aware. regds MEL
137 AKLDELNonstop : Hey MEL, As per the times of India, this is the 2nd time he carried his bat. Cheers
138 Post contains images Banco : It's good to see Sachin back after all his injury problems. After this one, I'm now a mere 35 centuries behind him in limited over cricket. At a sligh
139 VHVXB : And shows how much more Oneday cricket cricket sub continental teams play despite that still a great achievement. Banco how is the English team comin
140 Post contains images Banco : No, I don't think so. Last I read he was hoping maybe, perhaps, possibly to be ready for the ODIs. England do have a lot of injury problems. Harmison
141 VHVXB : ohh ok. He is not a real good one day player anyway. Vaughan is very slow in One day games. Yeah they certainly do in the bowling depart with so many
142 Banco : Headley was a little quicker. Sad that his career was cut so short by injury. Panesar has been England's best bowler this summer. Early days of cours
143 VHVXB : Kind of like Brett lee early in his career. Is there a problem with a Jones or just an issue at who can keep wicket to Panesar? England to me hasn't
144 Banco : Jones' 'keeping had improved dramatically over the last year. But his batting had really dipped. I think he was basically sent back to county cricket
145 VHVXB : I agree Read seem to be a better keeper but his batting lets him down as for Jones the problem seems to be consistency with in his keeping batting. A
146 Banco : I agree. He did need to work on his keeping, but it has improved out of all recognition. Trouble is, his batting confidence is shot. I do think if he
147 VHVXB : without a doubt. Lets wait and see how things pan out from here and how England squad shape up. The Australian is already formed with no new inclusio
148 Post contains images Banco : No prospect of the squad being called away to pick up their bus passes between now and then?
149 VHVXB : hmmm no at the moment. Selectors though seem hesistant at blooding younger players though.
150 Banco : Probably because they aren't as good. Realistically, how could they be? This side has been a truly outstanding one. But I do suspect this Ashes is th
151 VHVXB : There is several players in the current one day team Mitchell Johnson being one who is absolutely pathetic I don't what he is doing there and another
152 Banco : I suspect CA are being patient with him because it often takes all-rounders time to develop. Flintoff was pretty hopeless the first three years of hi
153 VHVXB : Well I don't see the point of having an allrounder especially in the Australian team. Before Watson, Michael Bevan was allrounder in the Australian t
154 Banco : You might do when there's no Warne and McGrath there to take all the wickets. Australia have played a four man attack because those two were so good,
155 VHVXB : Warne can be replaced by MacGill but McGrath is different story. No fast or medium paced bowler will be as good as McGrath in this current era. Thoug
156 Post contains images Banco : MacGill's only a year or two younger though, isn't he? Is there anyone in the Test team still in their twenties? It's not just the bowling; Langer, H
157 VHVXB : Despite that he still has a lot of cricket left in him as does Jason Gillespie. Phil Jacques is an ideal replacement for Langer Michael Hussey has al
158 Banco : Only if he does better than the cannon fodder last summer. Haven't seen much of him, I must admit. The thing about Hussey was our disbelief that he w
159 VHVXB : Yeah he was left in the darkness for too long by Cricket Australia Lets hope It doesn't happen again. Though he has improved on his batting after the
160 Post contains images Banco : Sorry, you've lost me there. I reckon the England batsman will go after him. Unless he gets an early wicket his confidence will fall apart and he'll
161 Post contains images VHVXB : Hmm valid point here. The problem here is his bowling technique. He bowls to full and its very easy for the batsmen to their shots. This technique di
162 Banco : The slow and low pitches in India are always going to count against them when they play overseas. Same with the Pakistanis - they really struggled ag
163 VHVXB : Yeah it is. It may have even extended his career on international stage Well if he can mature more and have mentality of taking wickets rather than b
164 HAWK21M : Thats very Rare. Not any more Isn't it. regds MEL
165 VHVXB : yeah the trend at the moment is changing from losses to draws and wins. As an away team its better to have a draw then a loss IMO.
166 AKLDELNonstop : IMO Ganguly's gotta come back as a captain. Dravid's a brilliant batsman maybe the best in the world, but as a captain he isnt aggressive enough. Gan
167 VHVXB : Ganguly is an idiot and doesn't do Indian Cricket an favours. huh?
168 AKLDELNonstop : When he became captain, the Indian team was nowhere and riddled with crises. He and John Wright helped transform them to a truly world class team, le
169 VHVXB : and getting smashed when they got there. They put on a pathetic bowling performance which lost them the game And you know what they could have won th
170 Aussie18 : Indians still devastated that we gave them a hiding in world cup Final,nightmares of Pontings knock!
171 AKLDELNonstop : Lol it took the aussies 9 yrs to get back for the hiding they got from a guy called Sachin at a place called Sharjah esp to bowlers named sumthing Wa
172 Aussie18 : Sachin LBW to a Mcgrath bouncer......
173 Post contains images AKLDELNonstop : Shane Warne:"I cant sleep i get nightmares" After Sachin gave him a reality pill.
174 VHVXB : ahh say whatever you want i'm waiting for the next team to win a test series in Australia.
175 Aussie18 : Bet Ganguly wishes he could of changed his decision in winning the toss in World Cup final and sending Aussies into bat....3hours later im sure he did
176 Post contains images Banco : Careful what you wish for... Incidentally, it's 5 years since anyone beat England in England too. That's getting to be a strong record.
177 Aussie18 : If Australia toured England more than that wont last long.
178 Banco : Oh, I'm so sorry. I must have missed Australia's rampaging through the Test series last year. Stupid me thinking they got beat.
179 Aussie18 : WOW it had been awhile since we lost a tour so its good for the game.
180 VHVXB : lol and the last team to beat them was? One day Australia will lose and lose badly. I was just trying emphasise a point to AKLDEN that India have a p
181 VHVXB : and for the critics as well. It gives me the shits sometimes when the Australian cricket team gets criticised so much after one loss and when a touri
182 Banco : Oh, sure. It might even happen this winter. All things being equal, fitness wise and so forth, this has to be the biggest threat to that proud unbeat
183 VHVXB : hmm If it does happen then England are real good team and not because Australia played crap And the last team to win Australia was the West Indies 19
184 Aussie18 : I just hope the Ashes live up to expectation,dont want to see Australia win 4-1 like they did a few years back and think back last year England only j
185 Banco : Well, it's funny, because before England won last year, this series was the one that general opinion thought was the time when an England team on the
186 Post contains images VHVXB : thanks for that you raise an interesting point here. While watching those 2 test matches England seemed to struggle in pulling off the win. They got
187 HAWK21M : Yeah that was some time with Sachin pounding the Aussies around the Park.One man Army. regds MEL
188 Baroque : They have been missing the two key bowlers, Jones and Freddie. Freddie might be back, but the Jones boy looks like missing yet another tour. The Jone
189 VHVXB : Without a doubt MacGill is a more aggressive bowler than Warne even though he concedes a few more runs
190 Aussie18 : Macgill bowls to many meat pies so he might end up getting 3 or 4 wickets just goes for fair few runs and his fielding doesnt live up to the standards
191 Aussie18 : Lets hope India can do what we did to West Indies other night by setting a decent score to chase....India 4/62 at moment with tendulkar not out yet.
192 VHVXB : now 6/93 after 24 overs. Not looking good at the moment
193 Aussie18 : Harbajan is showing the fighting spirit.
194 VHVXB : He certainly is. Tendulkar is currently on 64 and Singh on 35. India's current score is 156
195 Aussie18 : 2 quick wickets and doesnt look too good now.
196 VHVXB : All out for a disappointing 162[Edited 2006-09-20 10:32:48]
197 Baroque : Meaning he would get Warne out inside two deliveries!
198 AKLDELNonstop : Today's matchis just sad man. This is one problem wid the Indian team they just take things too lightly until the ppl in India get mad at them and the
199 Aussie18 : Well cricket is basically a religion in India so Indians still have big interest in other major tours/matches,New Zealand their lucky to get sellouts
200 VHVXB : Everything goes to payTV here except local games and the ASHES. Any other cricket game on commericial television you can forget it.
201 Aussie18 : West Indies struggling abit chasing 163,3/59 at present.
202 AKLDELNonstop : I wouldnt mind paying for it. It doesnt even come on pay TV here, unless NZ is playing. That is true esp about the crowds, but there is quite a diver
203 AKLDELNonstop : Nyway they just defended 162. Thast cool. The INd-AUS match would be very interesting now with both sides having to win to stay in the series
204 VHVXB : yes a good win for India especially when they defended their low total. The next should be an interesting one
205 Post contains images HAWK21M : Its the TV coverage that makes it popular.Although during the Football WC things were different Good Fightback,but Greg chappell does not seem please
206 AKLDELNonstop : Very interesting mate. Although I think Aussies have a higher chance. Team India seems a bit disoriented at the moment. But then again you never know
207 Post contains images VHVXB : yeah the middle order has been struggling lately. I wonder if Australia will experiment with a youthful or experienced team McGrath win
208 Baroque : Less chance if there is an umpire who knows how high the stumps are compared with Sachin's noggin! More woe in relation to the Pakistan walk off in t
209 VHVXB : Umpires are becoming worse now. Look at Bucknor he is pathetic umpire now In other news South African Keeper Mark Boucher hit the 2nd fastest one day
210 Post contains images Banco : This is the same Waqar that was done for ball-tampering, right? Incidentally, whether Pakistan are innocent or not, at what point are they going to s
211 Post contains images VHVXB : I agree Current Match which is on: Australia 8/213 after 49 over. Very good bowling from the Indians
212 VHVXB : India 4/63 after 16 overs chasing 214
213 Baroque : The very same, and of course Imran (the complete artist in this particular skill) has already made his pained feelings well known.
214 HAWK21M : So its a Windies v/s Aussie Final. regds MEL
215 VHVXB : Yeah and it was good bowling performance by both teams in yesterdays match
216 Aussie18 : Lee Sinks India once again Dont criticize umpires cause im sure you cant do a better job than what they can do.
217 AKLDELNonstop : What is the latest on Hair anyway? Heard that he wants to get back to umpiring in the Champions Trophy. Dont think that will happen though!!!
218 Aussie18 : "If he's one of the best umpires in international cricket then of course he should be umpiring," Ponting told reporters in Kuala Lumpur. "You need to
219 Banco : I wonder if Pakistan will follow through on their threat and withdraw if he does?
220 Aussie18 : Stupidity if they do. Im sure ICC can accomordate for both Darrel Hair and Pakistan being in champions trophy,Let Darrel hair just umpire games withou
221 Post contains images HAWK21M : I hope the Indian Top 5 Batting Improves before the Next Tournament. Too much Military traing I guess & add the Experimentation with the Line up. regd
222 VHVXB : I'm guessing you don't watch much cricket then.
223 Aussie18 : I watch plenty of cricket and Yes the umpires do make mistake's but they are human and alot of the time have a spit second to decide on decisions lik
224 VHVXB : yes just like Bucknor who does not have standards anymore
225 Aussie18 : Bucknor has and is still one of the worlds best Umpires going around.
226 VHVXB : Compared to who? Simon Taufel, Aleem Dar and Billy Bowden are better umpires than Bucknor
227 Post contains images HAWK21M : You serious. regds MEL
228 HAWK21M : Whens the Next Tournament. regds MEL
229 VHVXB : ICC Champions Trophy in India OCT7 to NOV5 and in November Pakistan v West Indies test series, South Africa v India one day games and the ASHES. Also
230 Baroque : What does the ICC decision mean? Both Inzy and Hair were at fault?
231 Banco : Certainly that Inzi was at fault for refusing to play; as for Hair it's open to interpretation. The trouble is, once the lawyers get involved you hav
232 HAWK21M : I think the Pakistani,Srilankan & Indian board wanted him off. regds MEL
233 RichardPrice : I found this interesting - the tribuneral only saw the ball after 56 overs, and only had that to go on to make the determination while the umpires ma
234 Banco : Of course they did. That's not the point. The point is that the ICC abused one of their own rules, which they have rigorously enforced in the past ev
235 9V : That was quite an interview this afternoon with Hair.
236 Banco : Hmm. It might mean that. It might not. The thing is, umpires are trained to spot ball-tampering when it occurs, and Hair and Doctrove acted according
237 HAWK21M : Why didn't the 26 cameras catch something. regds MEL
238 Matt72033 : how come he got banned for 4 ODI's when it happened in a test match? shouldnt he be banned for four tests?
239 HAWK21M : Exactly what I was thinking.Or were the Next Matches ODIs hence. regds MEL
240 Baroque : When I posted, the ABC was just stating that Inzy had a penalty for not reappearing on the field. The phrasing re the ball is the one that would be u
241 Banco : Correct. If the next matches had been Tests, the ban would have applied to them. There's been a lot of comment about that. But for one thing, the pla
242 HAWK21M : Wonder what the truth really was. regds MEL
243 VHVXB : keep on wondering at this rate. You may find out If Hair releases an autobiography
244 Post contains images HAWK21M : That'll be contradricting to the Autobiography by Inzy regds MEL
245 VHVXB : without a doubt. Hair will not umpire in the upcoming ICC champions trophy and Inzy has forgiven Hair (All from the Cricinfo website)
246 Post contains images HAWK21M : I don't believe it. regds MEL
247 VHVXB : well neither do I and Inzy won't be taking any legal action either.
248 VHVXB : ICC begins on Saturday first match Bangladesh v Sri Lanka at Chandigarh
249 Post contains images HAWK21M : Lets see if the Aussies win this too regds MEL
250 VHVXB : lol funny you say that this one trophy which has eluded Australia in the past
251 HAWK21M : Thats why I said it. I feel the Tracks will favour Spin.So Sri Lankan Advantage I guess. regds MEL
252 AKLDELNonstop : Why do I get a feeling that Pak might do well in this tournament. Much as I want to I dun think India will do that well, team doesnt seem to be doing
253 Aussie18 : Sri Lanka giving bangladesh abit of stick which was expected,229/3 after 40overs. This tournament has a crap lay out,One game a day and since their qu
254 VHVXB : Bangladesh is 0/22 after 8 overs chasing Sri Lanka's 302. Not a good start
255 HAWK21M : Too many Experiments to get the best line up for the WC.Things should settle from now onwards. regds MEL
256 VHVXB : IN the First match Sri Lanka won by 37 runs and the next game that is on today in Zimbabwe v West Indies
257 Aussie18 : West Indies favourites for this today as expected.
258 VHVXB : An Abysmal performance by Zimbabwe so far. They are 6/53 after 17 overs. This very much oh dear
259 VHVXB : ohh dear Zimbabwe all out for 85. Windies are 1/70 after 10 over. Should and will be a Windies win. I can only imagine what will be in tomorrows game
260 HAWK21M : Why are ZIM playing back to back matches. regds MEL
261 VHVXB : does it really matter if they play back to back matches after its disgraceful performance yesterday. Its a joke that ICC let Zimbabwe play surely Ken
262 Banco : Not to mention holding it six months before the World Cup. What's the point of that?
263 HAWK21M : Thats a different issue.Are any other teams play back to back matches. regds MEL
264 TSV : Who cares about back to back - at that rate they could have played two in one day and got all the misery out of the way.
265 VHVXB : Sri Lanka I think. They will play ZIM then the Windies
266 Garnetpalmetto : I'm locking this one due to its length - feel free to start a Part II
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